Is this a POS? Kind of expensive!

[Rubycon]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999089

I'm thinking the only way to handle four cores is one of these. Since a lot of folks spend more $$$ on a heatsink than a processor, this price fits. That's the analogy I used and the person I spoke with said go order it!

How much noise should I expect? Does it turn on and off like a water cooler compressor? What about heat output and power consumption?

Finally I presume this sits under a tower case. I have the Lian Li PC2100B Plus. The motherboard is all the way at the top but the CPU isn't too far since the board is inverted. Will the suction line reach?

[Noob-ftw]

It sounds like a humming fridge.

When you turn on your PC, it starts the phase unit until it gets to the desired temperature, when it does, your PC turns on.

Should consume the same, if not less power of a fridge.


Finally, it's not a POS, but you can get a better custom one on XS.

[Omastar]

Finally, it's not a POS, but you can get a better custom one on XS.

I was thinking that as well, but let me expand on it. You can get a custom phase unit on XS for about the same price that will very likely yield better temperatures than the Vapo LS, or you can spend $250 or so more for a pretty superior custom unit on here.

[Rubycon]

Thanks for your reply ~~~~~~

I'm considered extremely lucky if I'm allowed to have this under a working pc. SOLAS inspection is TOUGH! Custom jobs would definitely be out.

I'd be happy with a QX6700 at 4.0GHz though. ;)

I have a lot of reading up to do though. Heaters are required because of condensation issues, etc. :eek:

The PC is turned on 24/7 so the startup issue would not be an issue. :)

I don't run a load 24/7 though so does the compressor cycle on and off or does it use a bypass valve? Fridge compressors are (generally) pretty darn quiet. Lot quieter than a bunch of Delta screamers if you know what I mean.

[n00b 0f l337]

Even though its not at load, a quad core puts out a good bit of heat even at idle. The unit runs as long as ur comp runs unless its a chiller with a large resevoir of chilled liquid.

[Rubycon]

Is it suitable for a pc that gets used 24/7 for work?

How fussy is it? (does one have to fidget with it a lot?)

[alucasa]

Finally, it's not a POS, but you can get a better custom one on XS.

But also one has to be aware of how awful it can get to get some repairs and such when you buy it from XS.

[Omastar]

But also one has to be aware of how awful it can get to get some repairs and such when you buy it from XS.

Not if you deal with a reputable seller. I'd feel worse about sending my delicate phase unit back to Vapochill or whatever and having it sit in queue there for weeks.

[alucasa]

Not if you deal with a reputable seller. I'd feel worse about sending my delicate phase unit back to Vapochill or whatever and having it sit in queue there for weeks.

Well, I won't mention who since I am sure you can figure out who they are. But hasn't there been mad crisis with a certain reputable builder/repairer who took too many jobs and hasn't been able to finish them and some have been waiting for over a year to get their units back?

I am not saying it will happen to all builders/repairers, but a company will either fix it or replace it if their product is under warranty since they have the money to back it up. Dealing with individuals with large amount of money involved without any kind of written legal binding documents may (I say may) get uglier than one deserves.

[johann]

Honestly, a Vapo LS is a waste of money. Its not built to cool quads. Looking at vapo LS's I had here before for modding I cant see it holding much more than 185w before crashing and as far as i know quads ut out that much heat if not more.

Furthermore, even if it holds the quad without crashing it will run loaded most of the time and that poor little compressor they use thats already noisy will become very noisy.

Jinu117 build top quality units with warranty that will be far superior to a vapo LS.

[jimmyz]

well worth it to get a custom over a vapochill:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1900348&postcount=329

jin builds an awesome unit!!! best money i have ever spent on performance!!
not the most expensive thing either!! and i hear he has a new case design that is coming any day!!:D

[FragTek]

Is it suitable for a pc that gets used 24/7 for work?

How fussy is it? (does one have to fidget with it a lot?)
Perfect for 24/7 usage and requires no fidgeting. Set it and forget it :)

<---- See avatar for what it looks like mounted under a matched LiLi.

[runmc]

I don't think the Vapo is a POS by any means. I do however feel that the compressor is too weak for today's CPU. The price on this Vapo is $100 off which makes for a better deal. I wonder if Vapo is trying to sell off their inventory of currant coolers to make room for a more powerful new cooler.:confused:

If you bought this cooler and had a bigger compressor put in, you would have a nice cooler. :D Custom might be cheaper in the long run. ;)

[Perc]

the vapo unit you linked us to isnt a pos infact it a rather user friendly one out of the bunch. thing is todays cpus put out too much heat and it would probly run full tilt the whole time. id probly either try contacting reggie and have one built or wait for the newer vapos to come out...

perc,

Sorry for the edit guys :( - runmc

[Rubycon]

Perfect for 24/7 usage and requires no fidgeting. Set it and forget it :)

<---- See avatar for what it looks like mounted under a matched LiLi.

They claim up to 200W. What happens if that is exceeded? Suction pressure goes high and compressor klixon opens? :eek:

Is there a calculator that shows what a QX6700 uses at various clock speeds and vcore?

[Yoxxy]

Vapochill
Pros: Comes with heaters, mount kit, good condensor, asthetics.
Cons: NOISY, doesn't hold a huge load, support is terrible

Overall my vapochill was a good product, it just couldn't hold a huge heatload and a reasonable temperature. My E6700 would idle at around -44 on the evap and go down to -35 on the evap. My Q6600 would go to -32 or so on the EVAP, it simply couldn't handle it.

Got my unit back from Jinu after being modded. Idles at -55 on the evap with X6800 @ 4.3 ghz, and is around -48 on orthos small fft load. Also is singnificantly quieter. I can only guess his custom units will act the same.

[star882]

I don't run a load 24/7 though so does the compressor cycle on and off or does it use a bypass valve?
The TXV starts closing to reduce the flow.

[Brettbeck]

IMO, the VapoChill is not a 'POS'... it's just a bit dated and CPU's are different now. When the VapoChill was first made not even dual core CPU's existed.

You would be best going for a custom built unit from someone like Jinu :).

[star882]

And if you want cheap, build your own. Just take a window A/C and replace the evaporator and expansion valve. (I recommend a CPEV since CPEVs can work with many different refrigerants.) You can even include the cost of tools and it'll actually cost less (maybe about the same or a little more depending on your selection), while performing much better. You might even be able to use R410a, which performs extremely well and does not require a license in the US. (You can also use R507 or R404a, which operate at lower pressures.)

[wdrzal]

what I can add to this thread is ,no matter what builder,stock or custom ,they all can give results and temperatures, but not even the builders them selfs can know the outcome of the ultimate test, the "Test of Time"

construction methods, part quality,workmanship ,etc,etc down the list, but only "time" will make the final decision whether the builder pushed the limits too far or not for 24/7 use. Compressor failures,unless defective from the factory may take many months to a few years to raise there ugly head,or they may not at all. Time will only tell. No body wants a unit that soon as the warranty expires it pukes its guts out. But everyone does have to realize this is xtreme cooling if you want the limits pushed as far as temps go, don't expect a forever warranty.

Thats my luck with factory built PC's. for general file keeping and invoice & billing,factory seems the cost effective way to go,I had dell ,hp and gateway, with the last taking caring of warranty issues far better than the others ,no question for me. But I'm soon going to be needing a new work station,it will have to be fairly fast with enough ram as cad & modeling software use resources.with a definite raid hd. loss of hours of design work is not a option.This will probably be custom built.