CS1.6/CSS getting ingame ads* [Archive]

thecake90

12-10-2006, 06:29 AM

It had to come at some point. In-game advertising in one of the oldest online shooters out there, Counter-Strike 1.6. Valve’s Doug Lombardi confirmed that in-game advertising, served by IGA, will appear in CS 1.6, and in CS:Source later on. He spoke to CS-nation about the ads, where he said,

“There will be some ads posted on walls in the game world, an ad on the scoreboard screen, and one in the letterboxed area of Spectator mode. Counter-Strike levels aren’t going to turn into Times Square or a Nextel Cup racecar. We have control over what ads show up in Counter-Strike and how they are presented.”

Counter-Strike is rapidly losing ground to more modern shooters like Battlefield 2, and this appears to be the worst Valve could do to the existing CS community.

Of course Valve defends it by claiming this decision was made together with the community, but that’s pure BS. No CS player would like to see in-game ads appearing all over the place. And let’s face it, just like any other game company these days, Valve follows the money.

First Dynamic Weapon Pricing and now this :slapass:

We should start a massive protest
:mad:

http://digitalbattle.com/2006/12/09/cs-getting-in-game-ads-valve-sells-out/

http://digitalbattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/cs%20logo.jpg

K404

12-10-2006, 06:31 AM

Dynamic Weapon pricing? I`m about a month out of date on CSS what happened there??

Reflecting real-world arms prices?
Price changes depending how much the user sucks at the game?

thecake90

12-10-2006, 06:36 AM

Dynamic Weapon pricing? I`m about a month out of date on CSS what happened there??
The more people buy the item the more expensive it gets, and other weapons become cheaper
The Assault Suit(bulletproof vest) is over 3000$ now

http://www.steampowered.com/stats/csmarket/

Kobalt

12-10-2006, 06:40 AM

Valve can get the award for best ability in ruining a popular game. First came steam, then shields, the famas and galil, and no awp quickswitching. Now Dynamic Weapon Pricing? Are they just completely retarded? Stop changing a 7 year old game unless you're going to update the graphics.

n-sanity

12-10-2006, 07:01 AM

Guys guys, u never know - maybe its a prerequisite to making the game free! If they make it free, all those non-steamers n pacsteamers will get it, about twice as many people will play, and those ingame ads would bring in as much money as the game would today :)

Metroid

12-10-2006, 07:24 AM

God I heard about that.

Well that works for CS source not 1.6 :cool:

Well I have 1.6 and Source but I do not play source anymore.

Because of many lamers around.:(

lawrywild

12-10-2006, 07:30 AM

Err I havn't played CSS in about a month and all this stuff has happened?

Ingame ads - nice, so now we all get more lag and worse pings..
Dynamic Weapon Pricing - wtf? soon ak47 = $16000??
No awp quickswitching (as in quickchanges (QQ) right?) - erm wtf? that's the whole skill involved with being able to use an awp..

Nice ways to ruin my favourite game...

jbizzler

12-10-2006, 07:31 AM

Why do we get ads in games we pay for? I totally understand it in free games, but come on.

I simply refuse to ever install Steam again. I'll be getting HL2 Episode 2 Package for the 360 thank you very much.

Rovtar

12-10-2006, 07:36 AM

CSS is going down and down and i am thinking about selling it, because it really sucks, weapon price, now and wtf will put in this good(if we look 1 or more year back) game

[XC]Atomicpineapple

12-10-2006, 07:43 AM

Pathetic. I've never seen a more ridiculous decision. If ads go into HL2:EP2 I wont buy it, and I'd love to see some of the legal cases that would occur if they tried to put them into HL2 and EP1 which people have already paid for.

Reinvented

12-10-2006, 08:11 AM

Heh..you can disable Dynamic Weapon Pricing. And it's not too bad...it'll just make you choose to get a different weapon...or one that's not used as much.

As far as the ad's go...that's just ridiculous.

thecake90

12-10-2006, 08:31 AM

Heh..you can disable Dynamic Weapon Pricing.

How?? :stick:

generics_user

12-10-2006, 09:21 AM

How?? :stick:
google is you have a server, most public servers with higher skilled players (ok public:rolleyes: ) have it diabled and in wars it is disabled too, you only have to reload the map before you enter the command, i don´t know it because we have some server-side scripts to do that:p: .

Order

12-10-2006, 09:25 AM

Almost all servers turn off DWP. Its optional.
As for adds...well, as long as there is no spyware bundled with it then its alright with me. CSS is a free program.

Shpoon

12-10-2006, 10:02 AM

I stopped playing CSS for BF2142, best choice ever.

Pyr0

12-10-2006, 10:09 AM

CSS is a free program.
since when?

[XC] MarioMaster

12-10-2006, 10:10 AM

wow i used to play cs a lot, this is sad

Stuperman

12-10-2006, 10:13 AM

I stopped playing CSS for BF2142, best choice ever.
BF2124 has even worse ads than CS is suposed to got, they measue the amount of time you look at the ads to measue they're effectiveness. DWP is annoying, I think it could work, but there need to be some kind of "anchor" to keep body armour from costing more than most of the guns. I like DOD:S better anyhow :)

nn_step

12-10-2006, 10:17 AM

The more people buy the item the more expensive it gets, and other weapons become cheaper
The Assault Suit(bulletproof vest) is over 3000$ now

http://www.steampowered.com/stats/csmarket/
damn all the good weapons are getting cheaper :D

Repoman

12-10-2006, 10:27 AM

Well, that settles it.. I'm uninstalling CS:S and 1.6, and selling them.

lawrywild

12-10-2006, 10:34 AM

CSS is a free program.

Erm, no it isn't :slap:

LordofDoom

12-10-2006, 10:36 AM

I honestly could care less. I'd bet that the Mani Admin Mod will allow for disabling of the ingame ads, just like it allowed for the disabling of DWP.

Baldrick

12-10-2006, 10:50 AM

Game developments getting more expensive all the time and pc game prices arent rising. The companies are in it to make a profit and in the end a few small ads wont affect the game but keep the developer in the black.

And dynamic pricing can be switched off. ;)

LudLud

12-10-2006, 10:51 AM

i doubt the ads will make it... everyone will just boycott it :o lol, and even if they do, i hope they are just minor ones, like the ones on the cpl maps

jt710

12-10-2006, 10:58 AM

generics_user

12-10-2006, 11:06 AM

i doubt the ads will make it... everyone will just boycott it :o lol, and even if they do, i hope they are just minor ones, like the ones on the cpl maps
lol they could make an official release of de_mcdonalds, and add some things like cs_newegg and de_walmart:D

LOL just visited the price-site of valve, i really want to buy nightvision goggles for 58$ (i bet vlave invented this for people wo can´t adjust the gamma :P)

anyway gonna join one of these damn dynamic-price servers for 687$ tmp-pwnage in first round :D

nn_step

12-10-2006, 11:13 AM

lol they could make an official release of de_mcdonalds, and add some things like cs_newegg and de_walmart:D
actually I like that because some days you just need to shoot up a walmart :p:

biohead

12-10-2006, 11:17 AM

de_sli
de_crossfire
cs_vista
cs_dx10

... :rolleyes:

musashi01

12-10-2006, 12:02 PM

VulgarHandle

12-10-2006, 12:10 PM

like commercials before you watch a movie you already paid for...guess i'll start rippin my games now...

not that i ever played CS... i'm a "Quaker"..

Lithan

12-10-2006, 12:19 PM

You guys realize awp quickswapping was a bug and a cheat right?

And why the hell should a shield break your arm? They aren't shooting 120mm rounds. Someone needs a physics lesson methinks.

Shpoon

12-10-2006, 12:23 PM

BF2124 has even worse ads than CS is suposed to got, they measue the amount of time you look at the ads to measue they're effectiveness. DWP is annoying, I think it could work, but there need to be some kind of "anchor" to keep body armour from costing more than most of the guns. I like DOD:S better anyhow :)

I was referring to DWP. As well, do you even play BF2142? As of yet barely anyone's even seen the ads, I believe they were removed in the first patch. All the billboards say things like "EU needs you to fight!" and such. Hardly what I'd call ads. Plus, the game play doesn't suck like source, since the maps arn't tiny, and there isn't a one shot kill gun, using a sniper takes skill, so when I get headshots I don't get accused of hacking, like I did with the scout in source (hitboxes were huge in source).

3NZ0

12-10-2006, 12:42 PM

If they go ahead with this, that will be really bad, hate ads of any form, i dont want to see them ingame after spending 95% of the time i watch tv, watching ads. :slapass:

[XC] leviathan18

12-10-2006, 01:23 PM

You guys realize awp quickswapping was a bug and a cheat right?

And why the hell should a shield break your arm? They aren't shooting 120mm rounds. Someone needs a physics lesson methinks.

you know the AWP its a AMR right? .50 ammo with a range of almost 2 km even with a 5.56 trying to stop that with a shield at close range should break you arm easly

NickS

12-10-2006, 01:44 PM

I'm an avid Source player, have been for about 2 years now. After reading this, I asked my dad for 2142... for XMAS.

biohead

12-10-2006, 01:58 PM

ut2k7, thanks.

Baldrick

12-10-2006, 02:08 PM

I'm an avid Source player, have been for about 2 years now. After reading this, I asked my dad for 2142... for XMAS.

Err 2142 has ads as well :stick:

HiJon89

12-10-2006, 02:09 PM

what are you talking about, no awp quick switching? you can still quickswitch,
i think you mean they took out quick scoping?
because a little bit ago, they made quick scoping with the awp like 200% less accurate.
I think they're referring to the AWP scope delay in 1.6 Back in 1.5 it used to be noticeably faster to fire awp, quickswitch, and fire again. Now that is much slower compared to just firing the AWP and waiting for it to scope again. IMO this is the worst change Valve has made yet, servers can't turn it off like DWP and it really killed everyone's AWP skills :(

Kobalt

12-10-2006, 02:13 PM

The AMR uses a "15.2mm Steyr APFSDS" round that has a mass of 150g. The AMR also fires that round with a velocity of 1,450m/s. In a best case scenario where there is no air resistance, the bullet will have a kinetic energy of 157.7kJ when it strikes the shield. This is equivelant to a 90kg (200lb) person hitting you at a speed of 59.2 meters per second or 132 miles per hour. For another comparison, a baseball has a mass of around 150g, which is the same mass as the bullet. So getting shot from an AWP/AMR is also the equivelant of getting hit by a baseball at 3,240 miles per hour. So I'd say that yes, your arm would probably get broken if not anything worse.

By the way, you'd also get thrown back with an initial velocity of 5.7mph. :D physics

NickS

12-10-2006, 02:22 PM

Err 2142 has ads as well :stick:

Yes but CS:S is getting boring. BF2142 has vehicles, guns, etc.

cMw

12-10-2006, 02:23 PM

Seriously they are selling out completely especially to the VAST amount of ppl who still play 1.6, VALVe always said "ooo 1.6 we dont care about that anymore, source is the future" well 1.6 continues to dominate the stats so now valve says "O lets make some money of a game that we dont care about at all" basically in my mind they are making free money off 1.6 as they stopped making updates to it even though there were still things that needed to be fixed and then when they did make updates, they would make them to things that DIDNT NEED TO BE FIXED!!!! example, fast weapon switching...

:banana::banana::banana::banana: valve and :banana::banana::banana::banana: steam

frankR

12-10-2006, 02:50 PM

$6500 for M4. Another reminder why I gave up playing CS.

Any high powered rifle would go through those shields like a hot knife through butter. They're designed to stop pistol rounds not high powered rifles.

LordofDoom

12-10-2006, 02:55 PM

$6500 for CS. Another reminder why I gave up playing CS.

Any high powered rifle would go through those shields like a hot knife through butter. They're designed to stop pistol rounds not high powered rifles.
?? :confused:

Shpoon

12-10-2006, 03:14 PM

Err 2142 has ads as well :stick:

As well, do you even play BF2142? As of yet barely anyone's even seen the ads, I believe they were removed in the first patch. All the billboards say things like "EU needs you to fight!" and such. Hardly what I'd call ads.

Want an ingame screenie?

DeltZ

12-10-2006, 03:22 PM

erm...i thought AWP/AWM was made by accuracy international UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_AWM

not this random AMR steyr stuff.

uOpt

12-10-2006, 03:24 PM

All this is pretty funny considering CS started out free.

FischOderAal

12-10-2006, 03:28 PM

well, I don't really care since I wonder why some ppl keep playing this old fashioned game. it WAS good though.

but now there are plenty of better games without Ingame Ads, just choose one and be happy ;)

Revv23

12-10-2006, 03:29 PM

hmm..

i still play CS from time to time and i dont really care...

i mean, several games have had billboards before, we all have played in servers that put up ads, so what if valve wants to do it. if you dont like the gameplay anymore move on... ads dont make any difference to me.

DeltZ

12-10-2006, 03:29 PM

All this is pretty funny considering CS started out free.

Still had to buy half life though didn't ya?

Magnj

12-10-2006, 03:31 PM

DWP sounds...not so good. But I'm sure that since it is optional CAL will not use it and the good servers won't either. Ads, Idc as long as pings don't get hurt too bad. I haven't played in so long so i don't really mind anyway.

[XC] leviathan18

12-10-2006, 03:51 PM

AntiMaterialRifle and yes the artic warfare is made by accuracy international in UK most of the .50 big caliber rifles are anti material so they can penetrate the armor of a tank

Revv23

12-10-2006, 05:43 PM

AntiMaterialRifle and yes the artic warfare is made by accuracy international in UK most of the .50 big caliber rifles are anti material so they can penetrate the armor of a tank

I think if you want realistic warefare game CS is not your game.

maybe go try americas army?

I dont think anyone ever thought CS was realistic. Cept maybe the noobs that swear its like real combat.

Kobalt

12-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Thank god CS isn't realistic. If it was, you couldn't wall, do a 3+ man boost, run faster with a knife, turn around to avoid a flash, surf, play kz maps, survive a nade, run after being shot in the leg, shoot after being shot in the arm/shoulder, etc. The list goes on and on. Thank god games aren't realistic because they'd be extremely boring. Imagine everyone needing to eat, poop, drink, and pee in the middle of a CS scrim because it would be realistic lol :D.

Kunaak

12-10-2006, 08:20 PM

the sad thing about this for me is...

I literally... just got Counter Strike Source today.
havent even played it yet...
got it cause I wanted to try this headset that came with my 8800 GTX....
now I think I'll be moving to a different game.

any game that has advertisements in it... is a game I wont be playing.

Kingcarcas

12-10-2006, 09:59 PM

meh, never played it, but i do want bf2142:D

Fr3ak

12-11-2006, 12:55 AM

EA made already over 2 million $ with the ingame ads of NFS:Carbon.
Does the consumer benefit from that in any way? No, the game is as expensive as other games.
I wont be buying any game with in game ads, unless it is cheaper than it would be without ads. If that means I wont be playing any games in the future, so be it.
I wasnt happy when Valve decided to use Steam. CS betas were really funny, but now its going further down the hill.
The need of going trough all the trouble to activate HL2 (took me several hours to download all the stuff at the release day, after I just bought the game, was fun), then the never working Steam friends network (occasionally it worked, but never if you needed it), then real time weapon prices for CSS and now ingame ads.
Thats really sad. They should better invest more time in HL3 and make money out of that instead of those ads, that nobody except Valve benefits from.

XSAlliN

12-11-2006, 03:43 AM

A company can Go UP or Down - guess where this is going, whit actions like the one above... :)

Kunaak

12-11-2006, 12:20 PM

The need of going trough all the trouble to activate HL2 (took me several hours to download all the stuff at the release day, after I just bought the game, was fun), then the never working Steam friends network (occasionally it worked, but never if you needed it)

I know dude... the other day when I installed CS, I was kinda happy, then I wanted to play then it was "updating something", and then it started updating all these games, and stuff, and it took a hour and a half to do.
it just took over my internet the whole time.
now I know my net here in alaska isnt the fastest, but 5 meg/386k is pretty damn good for me, but it just ate my internet connection up the entire time.

couldnt even read email, cause it would take 2-3 minutes to load any pages.
so that was really annoying...

then it finally finished and I was Cool... I getta play finally.

nope... not gonna happen.
connect to a game, and then it started downloading more stuff.

what the hells it always downloading?
so far, all this downloading is getting old real fast.

Lithan

12-11-2006, 01:28 PM

you know the AWP its a AMR right? .50 ammo with a range of almost 2 km even with a 5.56 trying to stop that with a shield at close range should break you arm easly

AWP is not an AMR. You are getting your alphabet mixed up. It's an AWM. A .300 magnum to be precise. It's not a weak round, but it can be shot from the hip if you brace for it, so it sure as hell isn't going to break the arm of someone with a properly held military tactical shield which probably weighs 30+ lbs. An AMR would blow right through the shield.

edit: I see someone else beat me to it. Of course, I wont even get into the fact that Kobalt is using a "best case scenario" which is actually an impossible scenario that favors your point (So the Opposite of the "best case" you claimed it was) by ignoring air resistance, crumpling, etc etc etc... all of which pretty much make your demonstration meaningless.

Oh and FYi the bullet is 150gr NOT 150g. That's only about an oh 1:15 difference.

But yeah... if someone were to point a howitzer at you and fire... it could probably break your arm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/152mm_ml20_hameenlinna_2.jpg/800px-152mm_ml20_hameenlinna_2.jpg

Factors of more than ten can be FUN!

Oh and here's a fun pic of the round you describe next to a round almost the same size as what the AWP is ACTUALLY firing.
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/steyr_amm.jpg

And where ya got 150g from I have no clue... even that top round fires "only" a 20g bullet.

Kobalt

12-11-2006, 02:13 PM

edit: I see someone else beat me to it. Of course, I wont even get into the fact that Kobalt is using a "best case scenario" which is actually an impossible scenario that favors your point (So the Opposite of the "best case" you claimed it was) by ignoring air resistance, crumpling, etc etc etc... all of which pretty much make your demonstration meaningless.

Oh and FYi the bullet is 150gr NOT 150g. That's only about an oh 1:15 difference.

And where ya got 150g from I have no clue... even that top round fires "only" a 20g bullet.
"The complete 15.2 mm APFSDS round weighs 150 g and is 207 mm long" http://www.steyr-aug.com/amr.htm. I don't pretend to know anything about guns, but thats what it said there.

And yes, I was aware that the best case scenario was in favor of his point. I just really didn't feel like calculating air resistance into it. I also know that a lot of the kinetic energy is going to be used to deform the bullet, create heat, and cause sound. But the same will happen with the baseball. The main point is that a baseball going at 1450m/s will have the same momentum as the 150g bullet going at 1450m/s since they have the same mass. Of course this is all wrong if the bullet doesnt actually weigh 150g.

Lithan

12-11-2006, 02:18 PM

Round includes casing, primer, powder... the whole round. Only the bullet can be used to calculate force. Anything that could fire 150grams at ~1km/s+ could not be handheld.

Lithan

12-11-2006, 02:22 PM

From your link...

"the complete projectile assembly with its four sabot segments weighs 35 g"

Sabot is material used to block gas escape from the muzzel end of the barrel and is jettisoned immediately upon exiting the barrel. The actual bullet that will make impact from that gun (which again is an AT rifle and NOT the much smaller calibre AP sniper that the AWP represents) is under 20 grams.

Kobalt

12-11-2006, 02:29 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum

Using that...the bullet weighs 16.2g and has a max velocity of 915m/s. If you use 700m/s to account for any air resistance, it has the same momentum as a baseball going at 169mph. I don't know if that would break your arm...I've never tried, but I would say it would hurt!

clayton

12-11-2006, 02:37 PM

Why not put the ADs on a big sign so we can shoot it to death. :cool:

Lithan

12-11-2006, 04:28 PM

justin_c

12-11-2006, 04:34 PM

i thought they had plans to put these ads in CS:S years ago.. anybody recall this?
anyways, this is ridiculous.

[XC] Lead Head

12-11-2006, 04:53 PM

I know dude... the other day when I installed CS, I was kinda happy, then I wanted to play then it was "updating something", and then it started updating all these games, and stuff, and it took a hour and a half to do.
it just took over my internet the whole time.
now I know my net here in alaska isnt the fastest, but 5 meg/386k is pretty damn good for me, but it just ate my internet connection up the entire time.

couldnt even read email, cause it would take 2-3 minutes to load any pages.
so that was really annoying...

then it finally finished and I was Cool... I getta play finally.

nope... not gonna happen.
connect to a game, and then it started downloading more stuff.

what the hells it always downloading?
so far, all this downloading is getting old real fast.

The downloading when you try to get in a game, is the hosts loading up their servers with custom images, sounds and mods. A server without anything extra won't need all that downloading.

Lithan

12-11-2006, 05:00 PM

Welcome to the 21'st century. Every game does that these days. I see game patches well over 100megs pretty regularly.

STEvil

12-11-2006, 05:12 PM

if they just said what steam was downloading and gave you a size it'd be so much nicer... but all we know is that its downloading something just to piss us off right now :(

Kobalt

12-11-2006, 06:08 PM

Give up Kobalt. A 16.2g .338 round is an antimaterial round. NOT the round used in CS.

CS is using win .300 mag. And it's most likely using 180grain rounds, IE ~11.5g.

Face it... an Antipersonel round IS NOT dependant on blunt force trauma to inflict casualties. The higher velocity and mass than a typical round is meant to increase the range the gun can accurately fire in, it was never meant to deliver massive force, and does not deliver massive force. The "Break your arm" arguement is ridiculous and has no merit. You don't like Tactical shields? Good for you. But making up reasons why they don't work despite... well reality... is not a valid point.

Also, a hunter will tell you that your whole equation is flawed because you are using muzzle velocity and NOT Down range retained energy... which decreases at a much higher rate than velocity and is the actual figure that would be taken into account here.
Jeeze, sorry for trying to do some simple momentum calculations. I never said I didn't like shields, I never said I was trying to make up reasons why they don't work, and I did try to use "down range retained energy" by taking ~30% off the muzzle velocity.

And btw, cs uses the .338. http://www.counterstrikeuk.co.uk/awp.htm

Face it... an Antipersonel round IS NOT dependant on blunt force trauma to inflict casualties. Yes I know bullets are meant to penetrate...but if it hits a shield it will exert blunt force over the entire shield. How much I don't really know. I don't know how much the bulet will deform or how much heat, sound, or light will be given off. I can only guess by comparing it to other objects.

But regardless, I guess I'll "give up" since this is causing so much conflict...

Lithan

12-11-2006, 07:19 PM

I stand corrected. I guess that's a change they made when it went retail. Origional mod version I remember having it as a .300 mag.

Still, the force isn't even close to breaking anyone's arm. Keep in mind, it's being braced on the shoulder as well as the entire surface of the arm. Players regularly take nearly 100mph fastballs without breaking anything except the occasional hand or foot and that's delivered on a MUCH smaller area.

FlyingHamster

12-11-2006, 07:36 PM

damnit i phucking hate valve.

HiJon89

12-11-2006, 07:40 PM

nope... not gonna happen.
connect to a game, and then it started downloading more stuff.

what the hells it always downloading?
http://skynet-tel.com/605/images/logo.jpg

Skynet goes live in 275 days :explode2:

MaxxxRacer

12-11-2006, 08:29 PM

Turok

12-12-2006, 03:12 AM

Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
December 11, 2006, 2:35 pm - Jason Ruymen

Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

Counter-Strike: Source

* Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
* Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun spamming
* Updated foliage quality in cs_militia

Recently they decided to change the pistol's effectiveness because they were concerned that everyone was buying the Eangle too much so the price was skyrocketing :stick:
Instead of removing that stupid DWP, they have to change the gameplay!
Even if most servers disable DWP, sometimes you end up in a server that has it and you are forced to keep looking for a server. But what about the changes in gameplay?! With Valve's recent decisions on messing up CSS, I really doubt I will keep playing this game :mad:

[XC] Lead Head

12-12-2006, 03:51 AM

Recently they decided to change the pistol's effectiveness because they were concerned that everyone was buying the Eangle too much so the price was skyrocketing :stick:
Instead of removing that stupid DWP, they have to change the gameplay!
Even if most servers disable DWP, sometimes you end up in a server that has it and you are forced to keep looking for a server. But what about the changes in gameplay?! With Valve's recent decisions on messing up CSS, I really doubt I will keep playing this game :mad:

What the!? Increasing the damage is about the stupidest thing thing they could have done! People have gotten used to the way all those pistols fire, changing that can mess people's tactics up. Now you all have pistols that are way to powerful.

Good Job valve!

Order

12-12-2006, 04:58 AM

With the way some of you people are acting, I'm glad I won't have to see you in our servers :).

NoepZor

12-12-2006, 05:56 AM

OMG dynamic prices.. wake me up please...
It's very unhandy, how will a loosing team buy good weapons with little money. I knew before a AK47 cost me 2500 + ammo prices but it's now shyhigh in price. That means everyone is walking around with worse performing guns.

OMG steam, what you're doing? :S

Lithan

12-12-2006, 09:23 AM

The good aspect of it is that you wont have every noob in the game buying m1a1's, awps, and ak's. I'll bet scouts are practically free. Scouts = the gun to buy if you want to kill half your opposing team in a matter of seconds and then get banned for hacking because lord knows no one actually buys scouts and bothers to aim when you can just buy an awp and shoot somewhere near your enemy to kill him... unless they are hacking.

Kobalt

12-12-2006, 11:36 AM

OT: Holy crap Lithan changed his avatar! I don't think you've changed it since I've been at XS!

LudLud

12-12-2006, 09:00 PM

Maybe if you people actually read something, instead of just whining on the forums you would know that DWP (dynamic weapon pricing) can be enabled and disabled via a cvar command. So you can enable/disable it on servers. But i guess you are the pub all stars so you always play in pubs that have it enabled.

fhpchris

12-12-2006, 09:06 PM

nn_step

12-12-2006, 09:14 PM

screw that, knife them.

MaxxxRacer

12-12-2006, 10:43 PM

screw that, knife them.

just you watch. ppl will start using it more and then they will take it away and make you pay for it.. leaving you with only your hand to beitch slap them to death.

STEvil

12-12-2006, 11:16 PM

CS sucks.

Dont even let the CT's buy rocket launchers, hummers, etc.. its like they want the T's to win.

/sarcasm.

I still dislike CS, though.

aintz

12-13-2006, 06:05 AM

stop whining. dwp is disabled at most good server and its no big deal. ads in game jesus who ares just dont look at them.

valve is doing watever they can to bring in more bux. just look at all the games that appeared on steam over the last year.

and if you really like the game just pay to play at esea.

HiJon89

12-13-2006, 01:29 PM

What the!? Increasing the damage is about the stupidest thing thing they could have done! People have gotten used to the way all those pistols fire, changing that can mess people's tactics up. Now you all have pistols that are way to powerful.

Good Job valve!
Oh noesss!!! They upped the damage of the 5-7, compact, and elites, three guns that absolutely no one uses!!! The game is ruined!!! What next, increasing TMP damage???

Lithan

12-13-2006, 02:05 PM

Oh COME on... Elites are a BLAST!

You can fire as fast a freaking machine gun if you click fast enough.

And skilled players know that TMP is the headshotters dream close range weapon. Hell, start at their chest on a five round spray and you'll get a headshot before they pull their trigger.

Not everyone immediately went straight for awps every round... only noobs who couldn't even get in the top five without it did. And noobs were the same people who thought everyone who was better than they were was hacking. So they started servers and put awp-whore only maps on rotation. Hell. I remember a guy telling me (I was using a machine gun) that I only used a gun so I could spray and I didnt have the skill to awp... challenged me and two buddies to a 3v3 round in some map called "awp world" or something similar. AWPs spawned on the ground and you couldnt buy anything.

After we won three rounds straight without a single death, we were banned.

Ahh, CS.

aintz

12-13-2006, 08:39 PM

you know binding mouse wheel to elites is much easier than clicking the crap out of your mouse.

tmp is very good unless the people you play with have skill.

awps are boring. but only newbs whine.

STEvil

12-13-2006, 10:15 PM

My fav weapons are the shotties. Got a friend who uses the single shot and its quite amazing sometimes.

[TAG]Imp

12-14-2006, 12:23 AM

dude, who just dissed the TMP? it SCRAPES, my favorite low-cash weapon...

XSAlliN

12-14-2006, 01:35 AM

When would they ad porn? - whit 16.000$ Press "b" -> 9: 1) Black, 2)Asian, 3)France, etc - more interactive then Discovery for minors, and all this because of "Steam + Forced Marketing" :).

aintz

12-14-2006, 06:05 AM

My fav weapons are the shotties. Got a friend who uses the single shot and its quite amazing sometimes.

the pump action is quite good its much more powerful than in the orginal cs 1 shot kill most of the time. the auto on the other hand is much less effective and expensive.

ads are fine there are ads on various servers anyways and they are just on the walls you barely notice them