Intel 'in good shape' and TSMC said to have tested prototypes in 32nm development

[NoX]

First news about 32nm process.

http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20061206PD207.html

[Face]

products at the 22nm node may not be available on the market until 2015 at the earliest

Hit the wall there I guess. If 32nm debutes 2010 then it will be the longest transition wait.

Might just be the time to look for a better substance for our beloved chips.

[red]

http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=194400307
EUV making slow progress, says Intel

Intel has previously said EUV was to be used for 32nm.. I wonder what they're doing now with progress on EUV slow?

[Kanavit]

wow, 32nm that is half of 65nm! this is quite an achievement. Moore's law turning in his grave.

[n00b 0f l337]

They didnt jump to 32 from 65.

[Thorry]

32nm is about the size of a molecule, 22nm is even smaller. That's hitting the boundaries of physics allright.

They would have to use some kind of different material, at 32nm the leak power would be greater then the switch power (even with SOI), that's just crazy...

[nn_step]

soon comes the end of the road for silicon processors

[NoX]

Improvements in manufacturing will keep Moore's Law alive for 10-15 more yrs, and I guess by 2020 parallelism and stacking will have gone far as well. After that I wonder what will be the next big step in semiconductors tech. I think they need huge advancement in material science.

[Piotrsama]

Improvements in manufacturing will keep Moore's Law alive for 10-15 more yrs, and I guess by 2020 parallelism and stacking will have gone far as well. After that I wonder what will be the next big step in semiconductors tech. I think they need huge advancement in material science.
Pass me the crystal ball when you finish using it, please.
:p:

[Vapor]

I think they need huge advancement in material science.Well I'm glad that's my major! :D

[NoX]

Well I'm glad that's my major! :D

I have a MS in Materials Science. You made the best choice ever. :toast:

[LOE]

then think of something to go beyond 22nm

now :D

if a molecule is indeed as small then we are in trouble, I doubt it will ever get much smaller, probably when silicone is gone it will be replaced by a material that can switch at a few THz, and bigger than 22nm transistors, chips will get simpler by design but running at insane clocks...

the other option is a chip running at a low freq but beeing able to process a lot of data in paralel - i would prefer a THz version of this one :)

[kiwi]

soon comes the end of the road for silicon processors

And enter the world of quantum computing :p:

[ANP !!!]

OMG.. Intel is going way faster.. :toast:

[[XC] riptide]

Yes at that size quantum effects take over and chips stop working. But by that stage, I'll have become one with the force and i'll be doing it all in my head anyways.

[Johnny Bravo]

I have a MS in Materials Science. You made the best choice ever. :toast:


PhD in nanotechnology materials and processes :fact:

[K404]

Pfft..I can count to 10, I pwn j00 all

[onewingedangel]

Pfft..I can count to 10, I pwn j00 all

That may be a record for a scot :toast:

[Johnny Bravo]

That may be a record for a scot :toast:


WAAHEYYY it's all kicking off in here :banana:

[K404]

oh come on! LOL dude you're Welsh I dont even know where to start

:D (jk)

[[XC] riptide]

Welsh man - when the Englishman shagged a pig! :toast:

[MaxxxRacer]

keep it clean guys and please try to keep your e-peens in your pants.

[nn_step]

And enter the world of quantum computing :p:
and soon we will have calculations done before we start :D

[Kingcarcas]

After that the world will come to an end? :slobber:

[oshua]

and soon we will have calculations done before we start :D
we just going to revert to using pencil and paper then :p:

[nn_step]

we just going to revert to using pencil and paper then :p:
really?
Cus my slide rule still works :D

[m0da]

hmm... go MIT:

MIT engineers estimate that silicon transistors, essential to gadgets like iPods, phones and kitchen appliances, will hit a wall in terms of size and performance within the next 10 to 15 years. So MIT, among others, is working with new composite materials it hopes will be able to reliably outpace the conducting speed of silicon.

One such material is indium gallium arsenide, or InGaAs, a material in which electrons travel many times faster than in silicon. MIT's Microsystems Technology Laboratories (MTL) recently demonstrated InGaAs-fabricated transistors that can carry 2.5 times more current than the latest silicon devices. The transistor was only 60 nanometers, or billionths of a meter long.

(http://news.com.com/2100-1008_3-6142252.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news)

[serialk11r]

32nm is about the size of a molecule, 22nm is even smaller. That's hitting the boundaries of physics allright.

They would have to use some kind of different material, at 32nm the leak power would be greater then the switch power (even with SOI), that's just crazy...

I really don't think 32 nm is the size of a molecule, because if that were true, then our cells would not have all the complex stuff they have. 65nm is like 1/100 of a cell, yet theres mitochondria and stuff too, and dna wouldn't exist if molecules were 32nm. Also, if they were that BIG, we would be able to see them with microscopes. In the guiness world records, it said a 80mg drop of water has 10^15 molecules:P

[LordofDoom]

Intel's mad crack-baby speed and tactics are cutthroat vs AMD. IDK what AMD can do now to stop Intel, they'd have to make a 65nm Processor that's secretly not silicon but some sort of godlike material...

I agree with oshua, but the consequences of such moves might bring us back to the "good old days," AKA weren't so good.

[nn_step]

I really don't think 32 nm is the size of a molecule, because if that were true, then our cells would not have all the complex stuff they have. 65nm is like 1/100 of a cell, yet theres mitochondria and stuff too, and dna wouldn't exist if molecules were 32nm. Also, if they were that BIG, we would be able to see them with microscopes. In the guiness world records, it said a 80mg drop of water has 10^15 molecules:P
ummm
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-274617.html
The Bell Labs organic transistor features a channel length--the distance between electrodes--of one molecule, or about 1 to 2 nanometers
but more honestly that is about 16 Molecules wide. Which is pretty damn good if you ask me

[j4m3zz]

I really don't think 32 nm is the size of a molecule, because if that were true, then our cells would not have all the complex stuff they have. 65nm is like 1/100 of a cell, yet theres mitochondria and stuff too, and dna wouldn't exist if molecules were 32nm. Also, if they were that BIG, we would be able to see them with microscopes. In the guiness world records, it said a 80mg drop of water has 10^15 molecules:P


Molecules come in various different sizes. A molecule is an aggregate of two or more atoms in a definite arrangement held together by chemical bonds.

Typical molecules have a dimension of a few to several dozen Å.

1 ångström (Å) = 0.1 nm = 100 pm (picometre)

1nm = 1000pm

[serialk11r]

Oh, I just read a discover article saying that this lab successfully made these laser/semiconductor hybrid chips, that give out light beams instead of electric signals, through fiber optics. It says because new advancements in technology allow fiber optics to tune the speed light travels within them, the signals will go through the chip faster. It says chips will be able to do 12 executions per clock at speeds over 10GHz, now combine that with the new semiconductors, and 32nm technology, and you have a processor that has truly leet speed:)