The MOST POWERFULL 12V PSU EVER...

[hipro5]

As tittle says....:)

With the nowadays VGAs drawing a LOT of current, I desided to build my OWN 12V PSU so as to be "ready" for benching and capable to handle the MOST hungry VGAs ever.....:D

It will be a TRUE 1000 Watts 12Volts PSU, capable of providing 84 Ampers at 12Volts and a PEAK of 100 Ampers+......
1000W/12V will be 24/7 power - continues - .......;)

It'll also have a built in circuit for Overcurrent and Overvoltage protection of each output separate.
It'll have it's own Digital Ampers meter so as to see what the VGA's draw...
Also a thermometer as well.... :)

It will NOT be with 4 separate 12V rails BUT with ONE 12V and all the cables will be feeded in paraller from that rail......

I'll use a toroidal transformer at 14V/1500VA output....
Pictures will be uploaded as well as the construction begin...:)

The day before yesterday, I made the cables of it....
They are with sillicon instead of plastic matirial, capable for higher temps AND VERY THICK.....2.5 wires used.....

I made 5 of them.....4 that will be in use and one for spare/backup.....
Also it'll have some 4pin molex outputs for ALL the fans that will be needed here and there.....;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/PSU_1000W/Cables.jpg

I'll be back with details as soon as I start constructing......
ALSO inputs with oppinions of yours about what else should I add too, would be welcomed......:D :toast:


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[Zzzz]

Cool stuff hipro :D
Will you be mass-producing that psu?

[hipro5]

Cool stuff hipro :D
Will you be mass-producing that psu?

No......it's just for me..... :)

[Zzzz]

:(
Than maybe post a sketch of the circuit? ;)

[K404]

Nice idea to have built in Ammeter for currents!!

What a build-in voltmeter be of benefit, or are you planning to have quality such that you dont need one?

I`m looking forward to seeing how this progresses :D:D

Kenny

[SoddemFX]

The torroid will be good for quality, but large. What switchmode design will you be using after the torroid?

Nice stuff. The only thing im thinking is 100A from a torroid, thats huge! :D

Tom

[Johnny Bravo]

haha mental a ever George. I'll be interested to see how you implement your SMPS circuit as they're quite cutting edge in the grand scheme of power engineering. Should be quite an eye opener for alot of folk - there's alot more going on inside your PSU than you think. Having seen the booster circuit I trust you'll have something good figured out. I watch with eagerness :up:

[hipro5]

It will not be a switching PSU.....It'll be a "normal" one with huge heatsink and stuff like that.....I kinda like "old school" designs for myshelf.....I want builds to be huge and heavy.......:D

[SaFrOuT]

:(
Than maybe post a sketch of the circuit? ;)

????

looking fwd to see this psu's results

[SoddemFX]

Jesus! 200W power dissipation, thats pretty nuts. I guess this will be the worlds first PSU cooled by Delta fans :D

Where did you get the torroid from?

Tom

[Moonman]

Well, that is HUGE !

I'll use a toroidal transformer at 14V/1500VA output.... :fact:

Pics? :)

[Zzzz]

????

Please correct me if my post isn't making sense :)

[tiborrr]

Well, i'm starting to have some sick ideas with my mate moon to copy ur psu :D

[prosk8]

wow i cant white for you give 1 for me

[SaFrOuT]

Please correct me if my post isn't making sense :)


sorry i didn't mean anything bad

i just wanted to know the answer to ur question as for sure you do too

of-topic
ur sig is very huge :P

[Zzzz]

sorry i didn't mean anything bad

i just wanted to know the answer to ur question as for sure you do too

Oh OK :D

of-topic
ur sig is very huge :P
Your right... Ill cut out some parts there... :)

[Nosfer@tu]

Subscribed.

[Johnny Bravo]

It will not be a switching PSU.....It'll be a "normal" one with huge heatsink and stuff like that.....I kinda like "old school" designs for myshelf.....I want builds to be huge and heavy.......:D


Linear design?!?! oucha thats gonna need some serious heatsinking when your pulling the amps :eek:

I suppose you can minimize losses with low voltage drop FETs and good PCB designs. Yeah this will be interesting mate.

[flavoraid]

hipro is nuts :P

[Pipi]

If this will be just for the cards, won't the PC fry if there's a voltage differwence between the cards and the mobo? or will it be for the wole system? But then you'd have to do thr 5 and 3.3 V too. I'm a bit lost here. :(

[heikis]

it's only for the VGA cards.

[flavoraid]

dying to see results

[prosk8]

Hipro Like How Mach Is Be Cost

[el rolio]

awwwwweeesssooooooooooooooome

[Nosfer@tu]

Hipro Like How Mach Is Be Cost

You CAN NOT buy one!

It is only for him self!!!!:fact:

[Moonman]

If this will be just for the cards, won't the PC fry if there's a voltage differwence between the cards and the mobo? or will it be for the wole system? But then you'd have to do thr 5 and 3.3 V too. I'm a bit lost here. :(

With 'new' HW there won't be problems. I've run 7900GT SLI with their own PSU without any problems.
I believe that only X8xx series had problems with this. Pls correct me if I'm wrong. :)

It will not be a switching PSU.....It'll be a "normal" one with huge heatsink and stuff like that.....I kinda like "old school" designs for myshelf.....I want builds to be huge and heavy.......

Phase cooled maybe ? :D

[lalPOOO]

Good idea George!
Plus, this way you won't need to build a bigger one for a couple years :D

[hipro5]

Good idea George!
Plus, this way you won't need to build a bigger one for a couple years :D

Indeed.....;)

Phase cooled maybe ? :D

Not a bad idea...!....:D

If this will be just for the cards, won't the PC fry if there's a voltage differwence between the cards and the mobo? or will it be for the wole system? But then you'd have to do thr 5 and 3.3 V too. I'm a bit lost here. :(

Nowadays VGAs have another design and they are not burned down if you feed them with external Voltage;)

Hipro Like How Mach Is Be Cost

Don't know yet.......
Toroidal transformer has cost me 115 Euros, Heatsink another 50 Euros, Now I'll cost the Mos-Fets and all the other parts (box, etc.).....


EDIT: Now that I'm thinking some things, I wonder if it would be convinient to build in AND the 3.3V, 5V, -12V rails so as to be a "full" computer PSU......About a 2KW one...!....... :)

[SLi_dog]

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking some things, I wonder if it would be convinient to build in AND the 3.3V, 5V, -12V rails so as to be a "full" computer PSU......About a 2KW one...!....... :)
lol, go for it Hipro. If a job's worth doing it's worth doing well.

2KW would be seriously cool :)

[Dr.No.pt]

"...About a 2KW one..." :eek2: :woot: :D


Better get a dedicated line from the power company , no ? :banana:

The neighbors will start seeing their power like this --> :scope:

And then they realize: "It's the damm hipro5 that turned on that PSU"

:bounces:

Good luck !

[Nosfer@tu]

"...About a 2KW one..." :eek2: :woot: :D


Better get a dedicated line from the power company , no ? :banana:

The neighbors will start seeing their power like this --> :scope:

And then they realize: "It's the damm hipro5 that turned on that PSU"

:bounces:

Good luck !

HAHAH GOOD one :D

[Origin_Unknown]

Wow... looking forward to seeing this completed.

any chance of some pics hipro5?

[Zzzz]

2KW :slobber:

What for? Kentsfield-Quad 88GTX-DDR3-50HD's System? ;)

[CraptacularOne]

Dud, you just HAVE to go and make a 2kw PSU now! :slobber: That would seriously be sick! :shock:

[Johnny Bravo]

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking some things, I wonder if it would be convinient to build in AND the 3.3V, 5V, -12V rails so as to be a "full" computer PSU......About a 2KW one...!....... :)

Raisng the bar before you've even begun, I like it. If your gonna go for a full blown PSU then it would probably be best to go modular on the big ones you have already mentioned -

12V
+5V
3.3V

But there are other ones to consider too:

-5V
+5VSB
-12V

To the best of my knowledge these arn't high current lines, the +5VSB is designed to draw about an amp (depending on how may things you have on standby on your PC, not many I think George ;) ). The other two are the same, -5V is nothing at all and -12V is again 1-2amps. These supplies could be made on one singular board as the power requirements are not too high.


Finally the logic of the PSU

PWR-ON
PWR-OK

Those these arn't so tough, PWR-ON is just a internal switch and PWR-OK is a signal sent to the mobo when the PSU has checked all the rails are in spec.

It is achievable more so because you don't have to work within the constraints of a ATX PSU box dimensions. In many ways it reminds me of a good A class linear amp design and how important the PSU side of that was. Could be a good place to look for ideas on circuit design.

[prosk8]

wow but bad for the you cant cell

where you live the all and you fhins tell me:D i breake to your house and styel some things like the mobo tthe all and the psu ha ya and your brine:)
and i be the hipro gen 26 year:rolleyes: :cool:
sorry for the english

[eva2000]

George you're insane... in a nice way!

I can imagine huge and beefy heatsinks used or just hook up 3/8" ID water cooling blocks to the heat sources :D

[Revv23]

Are you sure 85A will be enough for the video cards? :D :toast:

[Pipi]

Hm... Thanks for the info about newer cards. i've seen many warnings not to use multiple PSUs because you could fry something. But on the other note, DO IT! Make the whole PSU :D YOu're a legen hipro, you're known to do extreme and sick stuff and this... Dunno, is it normal or is it extreme for you? :D :toast:

[thecake90]

Subscribed....

[Zzzz]

wow but bad for the you cant cell

where you live the all and you fhins tell me:D i breake to your house and styel some things like the mobo tthe all and the psu ha ya and your brine:)
and i be the hipro gen 26 year:rolleyes: :cool:
sorry for the english
PLEASE use the Google translator or agree to receive help from me or GGuyZ...

I love that psu :woot: Too bad i don't live in Athens...

[Cpt.Planet]

"...About a 2KW one..."

The neighbors will start seeing their power like this --> :scope:


Their power is already like that :cool: Good luck HiPro

[MaSell]

Peak load 100A = 1200W for 12v :D

You are sick man :D

[LittleDevil]

Want to see that monster :toast:

regards

[Enz0]

hipro5, I know you are professional and maybe you don't need any help, but this page may help you.
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sun-inet.or.jp%2F%7Eyasubou%2Fps%2F10%2F10.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools (Translated by Google)
Yasubou, Japanese once famous overclocker, made this page.

http://www.sun-inet.or.jp/~yasubou/ps/10/15.gif

[shogo_ca]

man why the hell didnt I listen the teacher in the physical science courses in college. Damn cheerleaders..... i knew one day i would feel the bad side of those.

ahah no but seriously the lack of knowlege electronics and electricity pisses me off, i dont even know what a Amp and a Watt is, just know it needs alot.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Verry good hipro, 2KW modular and ownage power supplie feed, would sure make a Ownage Mass produstion unit to go along with your DDR maximizer :)

Starting your own line of components sounds like your calling bro..

I wanna see this beast in action :) ... Subscribed

[hipro5]

Thank you for your kind words guys and for the hands up.....:) :toast:

YOU persuate me to do it "all in one"......

SO: 12V/84A , 5V/75A , 3,3V/113A, 5Vstby/5A, -12V/5A = 1850Watts RMS* (24/7) and about 2360Watts Peak power....
How does this shound?.....:D

Philosophy']Verry good hipro, 2KW modular and ownage power supplie feed, would sure make a Ownage Mass produstion unit to go along with your DDR maximizer :)

Starting your own line of components sounds like your calling bro..

I wanna see this beast in action :) ... Subscribed

This just CAN'T be in mass production.....It will be hude, heavy and TOO much expencive.....It's just for my "hobby".....:)


*RMS > idiomatism(here) so as to be understood by everyone that means REAL output power and NOT "MAX" or "PEAK" power.

[alexio]

Thank you for your kind words guys and for the hands up.....:) :toast:

YOU persuate me to do it "all in one"......

SO: 12V/84A , 5V/75A , 3,3V/113A, 5Vstby/5A, -12V/5A = 1850Watts RMS (24/7) and about 2360Watts Peak power....
How does this shound?.....:D

Uhh, overkill? I like it :) Not sure for what you'd need 75A on the 5v and 113A on the 3.3v though. Remember the PSU still needs to run cool, maybe it's better to makes the 3.3v and 5v rails a little less beefy? Ohh well, some deltas can take care of that problem :D

[steelballzz]

SO: 12V/84A , 5V/75A , 3,3V/113A, 5Vstby/5A, -12V/5A = 1850Watts RMS (24/7) and about 2360Watts Peak power....
How does this shound?.....:D



:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
:clap:

subscribing

[Kunaak]

dont do it to be practical, do it cause you can.

when one builds a hot rod, they dont think about going to the store to get groceries in it... they do it, cause it's crazy and there to be done.

dont build something anyone can just go out and buy... theres nothing interesting if its just a variant of a 1000 watt PSU, when theres 20 others already out there.

do something we wont see again for years.
that is when its fun to see something happen...

a 2000 watt PSU?
haha...

like I always say...

"only Hipro..."

[Johnny Bravo]

Uhh, overkill? I like it :) Not sure for what you'd need 75A on the 5v and 113A on the 3.3v though. Remember the PSU still needs to run cool, maybe it's better to makes the 3.3v and 5v rails a little less beefy? Ohh well, some deltas can take care of that problem :D


Important thing to remember Alexio is that these specs are for with the PSU will be capable of not what they'll be running 24/7. Of course there's not going to be an occasion that the many of these lines will ever draw the current George is designing it for. But, if you can do it, then do it! Overspecing will in fact allow for a cooler design as the power circuits will be under less "stress" to provide power requirements that are closer to their maximum, so will produce less waste heat.

[SafeFire]

Incredible, simple incredible. I'm amazed by your pure curage and knowledge to build it. Totally subscribed

By the way. The irony of an earlier post from this topic dawns on me.
The fact that I feel encouraged to also listen better in on my physics lessons from now on, clashes with the fact That I am sitting in a physics class right now, reading XS on my laptop insted of listening in. Oh the irony :slapass:

[alexio]

Important thing to remember Alexio is that these specs are for with the PSU will be capable of not what they'll be running 24/7. Of course there's not going to be an occasion that the many of these lines will ever draw the current George is designing it for. But, if you can do it, then do it! Overspecing will in fact allow for a cooler design as the power circuits will be under less "stress" to provide power requirements that are closer to their maximum, so will produce less waste heat.
True to some point, but remember that maximum efficiency is achieved at 70-80% of the maximum load on consumer PSU's. I don't know George's design of the PSU ofcourse. You are probable right that less current per components + more components ( more surface area) will result in a lower operating temperature.

1.8kW do it George :banana:

[raju]

George will you use a capacitance multiplier?

i have an active amp psu I built from a kit here, basiaclly an rc filter feeding a mosfet stage. Virtually no ripple at 72v output and upto 10amp current draw. Circuit ofcourse is ip of a friend of mine called Dr David White.

You should get far better overclock ability using a conventional linear supply.


There would definatley be a market for a linear psu for the cpu, I think a good supply using a mosfet output stage and real low ripple would give a 100-200mhz advantage in overclocking over conventional switchmode pus's we use.

I am very interested in your results buddy..


regards
Raja

[Pipi]

Looks like i'll have to go to Greece to holiday next year :)

[celemine1Gig]

...
You should get far better overclock ability using a conventional linear supply.

There would definatley be a market for a linear psu for the cpu, I think a good supply using a mosfet output stage and real low ripple would give a 100-200mhz advantage in overclocking over conventional switchmode pus's we use.
...

I agree with you that a linear design will be nice, but I really doubt that you'll get a 100-200MHz better OC just by switching the PSU. The switching VCore supply on the mainboard still remains. ;)

[esdee]

I agree with you that a linear design will be nice, but I really doubt that you'll get a 100-200MHz better OC just by switching the PSU. The switching VCore supply on the mainboard still remains. ;)

can you guess someone who's lunatic enough to override the Vcore switching supply with even lets say ... a maximizer?;) :fact:

[Revv23]

can you guess someone who's lunatic enough to override the Vcore switching supply with even lets say ... a maximizer?;) :fact:


haha, he almost did that on the dothan!!!

I thought the maxi could only outout 115w though? sureley not enough for CPU.

[nn_step]

HOW many rails?

[Moonman]

As tittle says....:)

It will NOT be with 4 separate 12V rails BUT with ONE 12V and all the cables will be feeded in paraller from that rail......



One rail to rule them all. :D

[STEvil]

well crud, and here I was thinking i'd be the smart one by strapping a pair of 60A @ 12v PSU's together.. then I see this lol :D

[hipro5]

Thanks guys for encouraging me....Though I don't have a lot of spare time, I'll try to do it as complicated as I can....:D

2 x 8x8cm DELTA fans high output cfms will be used for the heatsinks in puss-pull config....
They will be thermally controlled though....As the temp of the heatsinks goes up, the rpms of the fans will rise automatically and visa-versa.....

Point is, I'm on a dilemma right now about the 12V feed back circuit......Should I get feedback reading from the CPU's slot from the VGA's slot OR should I use them ALL....
"Feedback reading" for those who don't know, is a reading that is been taken from the VERY END of a cable line and by this, the voltage stabilizer circuit "repairs/fixes" it's output voltage so as to be "stabilized" at the voltage we have peaked....

I can chose the very end cable line of the cpu's feeding or vga's feeding OR - more complicated though - ALL of the 12V readings (cpu's, 2 x vga's, etc) and then add the readings and devided them /3 ....Then take this "mixed" reading and with this, control the 12V stabilized output....OR no need for all this shi(f)t....:)

[STEvil]

why not take the reading at the end of the (PSU) PCB where the cables/wires attach?

If you have a droop situation at one location and not another and the PSU compensates for this then you will have overvoltage at one point.

With thick enough cables and good enough connectors there wouldnt be any issues unless the PSU itself couldnt hold the load.

[hipro5]

why not take the reading at the end of the (PSU) PCB where the cables/wires attach?

If you have a droop situation at one location and not another and the PSU compensates for this then you will have overvoltage at one point.

With thick enough cables and good enough connectors there wouldnt be any issues unless the PSU itself couldnt hold the load.

Because of the long cables, you HAVE to take the feedback reading at the very end of them so as to be more accurate of your output voltage even if they are thick enough - There's always a droop in them....;)

[STEvil]

Yes, but you dont want to overcompensate for something which will be little or no problem given use of the proper cables.

[Johnny Bravo]

I'd say measure from VGA as this will be the larger of the current draws -> most likely to droop. Mixing the feedback may not be such a good idea as what usually happens is the feedback circuit only partly compensates for a voltage droop and none of the end supplies are fully corrected.

[SoddemFX]

If you're going from 12v -> 1.8v on the GPU/CPU as long as the output is clean it doesnt matter if you have a little droop :)

But on a long cable run at high current i'd feedback the ground and 12v rails into a differential amp then low pass filter and use that as feedback. Ground feedback into diff amp could be close to min output swing so maybe you'd need a dual rail amp tho...

Tom

[zakelwe]

Although possibly not likely nvidia and Ati are both now putting out video cards and motherboards which could theoretically have 3 SLi 'd XF'd ..so I would have 6 Pcie cables on the psu. Not sure how that would effect your calulations for amps / power needed either ?

Of course the 3rd slot and double Sli connectors might be a for a gpu based physics card which needs not much at all :)

Best to be prepared though, just in case.

Regards

Andy

[heikis]

will this beast fit in an ATX-size case? how huge will it be :P ?

[esdee]

haha, he almost did that on the dothan!!!


well he actually did it on the dothans board NB ...:D

[prosk8]

give the fhoto man

[nn_step]

Be sure to keep the ripple down man, otherwise it'll be harder to get world record overclocks :D

[marauder16]

give the fhoto man
he broke his camera, so no pics for some time...

can't wait to see if this psu 'll help in OC reults :D

[blossa]

Looks like i'll have to go to Greece to holiday next year :)
Do not forget to bring batteries. :D

[Asazman]

haha, makes my PCP&C look like a toy

[prosk8]

HIPRO GET A camera and fast man








or you can send like hamm 8 your supply:fact: to me and i do the fhoto and extreme overclock

[Demo]

would this great invention beat out those PCP&C 1kwatt PSU ?

[Nosfer@tu]

Be sure to keep the ripple down man, otherwise it'll be harder to get world record overclocks :D

Not trying be the clever anoing one, But maybe you should look at why Seasonic has so low rippels.

[bluep3ace]

just don't electrocute yourself :)

but seriously, you should start a custom PSU company. no need to massproduce. just handmake them.

[G H Z]

This sounds really cool hipro! I guess when you build it yourself there's no need to mod it for higher rails :D

[wedfighter]

waiting some pics and design...wonder my ocz can turn to 1200w after seeing this build LOL :D:D:D

[|Aegi3|]

Simply amazing :slobber: ! I really wish i knew how to do something like this:cool:

Good Luck Hipro:toast: :woot:

[Bei Fei]

I have a few 2400VA 120 primary 13.8 dual secondary transformers. I will see how your project goes before I attempt to hurt myself.

[Kasparz]

or you can send like hamm 8 your supply:fact: to me and i do the extreme overclock
you make me :rofl:

[rob[GL]]

pics?

[Pipi]

Dead camrea, sadly :( Kingpin should make his pots to balance better :P

[Unseen]

As tittle says....:)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/PSU_1000W/Cables.jpg


George why did you put the same color cables? I dont think is right... :nono:

[Revv23]

George why did you put the same color cables? I dont think is right... :nono:


Those are all 12v lines and grounds, the grounds are marked in black tape.

Thick guage wire with high quality insulation isnt cheap, so easier to buy one big roll of it then several small ones in different colors.

[hipro5]

As for the coloured cables: Once they've been soldered onto PCB there's no difference which colour is which.....The connectors CAN'T be pluged in with wrong dirrection so we are OK....;)

As for pics, I'll borrow a digicam and start picturing....:)

[prosk8]

give the pic man

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

are those pci-e cables? why did you go with 5 instead of 6?

[zbogorgon]

the centered ground is actualy not grounded on graphic cards and though not needed, that is my explanation, I could be wrong very easily

[hipro5]

the centered ground is actualy not grounded on graphic cards and though not needed, that is my explanation, I could be wrong very easily

I just have used them all....:)

are those pci-e cables? why did you go with 5 instead of 6?

I actually need 4 of them for the VGAs......BUT I always have backups so I made the fifth one for spare in case some of the others gets damaged during a bench or by any other reason.....
IF I run a bench something happen to one of them, I must be ready to have a spare to plug in istead of fixing it or so.... ;)

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

I actually need 4 of them for the VGAs......BUT I always have backups so I made the fifth one for spare in case some of the others gets damaged during a bench or by any other reason.....
IF I run a bench something happen to one of them, I must be ready to have a spare to plug in istead of fixing it or so.... ;)
understood ;)

do you think there would be any benefit in replacing the wires with higher quality (thicker) ones on something like a pc power & cooling unit?

[hipro5]

understood ;)

do you think there would be any benefit in replacing the wires with higher quality (thicker) ones on something like a pc power & cooling unit?

You're going to loose your RMA by doing this but as for me who wants everything perfect, yes it worths it....:)

[metro.cl]

I just have used them all....:)



I actually need 4 of them for the VGAs......BUT I always have backups so I made the fifth one for spare in case some of the others gets damaged during a bench or by any other reason.....
IF I run a bench something happen to one of them, I must be ready to have a spare to plug in istead of fixing it or so.... ;)

what about 2 vgas on sli + a 3rd doin physics? you need like 7 cables :D

[Fixt00l]

Why don`t you just contact FSP Corp. and ask them to build a custom Fortron for you...They make the best and most reliable PSUs,you know:fact:

[wtkprol]

That would take the fun out of it.

[Revv23]

Why don`t you just contact FSP Corp. and ask them to build a custom Fortron for you...They make the best and most reliable PSUs,you know:fact:

from the sounds of it a psu like hipro is talking about is beyond what fsp does.

[celemine1Gig]

No manufacturer, and I mean NO manufacturer, in his right mind would produce what hipro5 is working on right now. The reason is: You either wouldn't make money selling it, or you wouldn't even find anyone to pay the price you're asking. hipro is a perfectionist and no manufacturer can produce perfection and still earn enough.

[nn_step]

There is a difference between perfection and Close to it. Close to it will probably make alot of money but perfection is impossible. Kind of like the flaws of electrolytic Capacitors. They will work wonderfully for 2-5 years, after that you have a 50/50 chance of them not actually having ANY capacitance. Why do we use them? Because they are Cheap, effective and no one expects something to last forever.

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

what about 2 vgas on sli + a 3rd doin physics? you need like 7 cables :D
i don't understand your math

[k|ngp|n]

hah...man you never stop. If you sell this thing George I would be first in line brother. I am a BELIEVER :D

[d50man]

i don't know about you guys but most of my circuit breakers are 15A so isn't the safe limit for home wiring like 1800 continuous watts for a single outlet?
dedicated pc circuit anyone?

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

i don't know about you guys but most of my circuit breakers are 15A so isn't the safe limit for home wiring like 1800 continuous watts for a single outlet?
dedicated pc circuit anyone?
i thought most people do have dedicated pc breakers? i have a 20a breaker just from my pc and pc related things.

[Fixt00l]

I am sorry for embarassing myself that way...I do not know much about P$Us...and I have decided to sell my FSP 400W for an OCZ Modstream 520W for my transparent case-lovely UV cables!

[nn_step]

i thought most people do have dedicated pc breakers? i have a 20a breaker just from my pc and pc related things.
ummm no, infact I had to spend a large chunk of cash to upgrade the place with Proper voltage lines.(wired up the Cat6 network by hand)

[Revv23]

i thought most people do have dedicated pc breakers? i have a 20a breaker just from my pc and pc related things.


haha no way man. If my pc is drawing more then my wall socket i need to sell my pc, not upgrade my wall.

[EsaT]

Over 1kVA toroidal... I smell burned fuses, you better have surge current (http://www.trafox.fi/index.php?id=179) limiting.


i don't know about you guys but most of my circuit breakers are 15A so isn't the safe limit for home wiring like 1800 continuous watts for a single outlet?220/230VAC...

will this beast fit in an ATX-size case?Yes... to it's own case. ;)

[hipro5]

Over 1kVA toroidal... I smell burned fuses, you better have surge current (http://www.trafox.fi/index.php?id=179) limiting.


220/230VAC...

Yes... to it's own case. ;)

You CAN'T "first charge" a toroid transformer with ONE "click" if you can understand what I mean......;) By doing this, it draws EVEN 47A+ peak from the 230VAC line.......You HAVE to "magnitise" it first and then fully power it on.....You MUST have two "clicks" to do so.....:)
My English are not that good and I hope that you can understand what I'm saying here......
In the input you MUST have 2 reles......Firstly when you power on, the first rele switches on and flowing the voltage through a of 10 - 22 Ohms/20W resistor to the toroid......After one to two seconds (with a circuit) the second rele switches on, sort circuiting this resistor and you're ready.....;)

EDIT: Actualy there will be two toroid tranformes now.....The one I already have in my hands 1500VA and another one for the rest of the valtages which actualy will be about 1000 to 1500VA too....:D

EDIT No2: Yes that's what the link you gave does.... ;)

hah...man you never stop. If you sell this thing George I would be first in line brother. I am a BELIEVER :D


Thanks Vince but not selling a psu like this......It will be made for me....:)

P.S. IF you're a good boy, who knows maybe some day you'll get one.....:D

[d50man]

:slap: damnit forgot you chaps are not in the US.
115v/120v 15a is a normal household circuit
very few~nil houses have dedicated high current circuits for pcs/electronics.
220/230 would just ask to help newbs burn down the houses.

[prosk8]

IM GOOD BOY;) :D KNOW WHERE MY PRICE :cool:

[Zzzz]

Huh?

[DTU_XaVier]

There is a difference between perfection and Close to it. Close to it will probably make alot of money but perfection is impossible. Kind of like the flaws of electrolytic Capacitors. They will work wonderfully for 2-5 years, after that you have a 50/50 chance of them not actually having ANY capacitance. Why do we use them? Because they are Cheap, effective and no one expects something to last forever.
Obviously Hipro5 does expect it to last forever... Otherwise he wouldn't make it that big :D

Best Regards :toast:

[hipro5]

I have some capacitors 100000uf/75V with product date of 1978....from an American base here in Athens......They STILL work and have 102000uf capacitance.....:p: :D

[Moonman]

100000uf/75V, that has to be huuuge.

Obviously Hipro5 does expect it to last forever... Otherwise he wouldn't make it that big

Well, this is Hipro, I don't think it will last forever. :D

[nn_step]

I have some capacitors 100000uf/75V with product date of 1978....from an American base here in Athens......They STILL work and have 102000uf capacitance.....:p: :D
now those are some well made Caps. What type? Gel Cell??

[hipro5]

now those are some well made Caps. What type? Gel Cell??

I don't remember.....They are at a 3-30V psu I have in my lab......They were made for the US army and yes they are good quality.....;)

[-Acid-]

subscribed


Wow george you ALWAYS push the boat out cannot wait to see this monster running

[nn_step]

I don't remember.....They are at a 3-30V psu I have in my lab......They were made for the US army and yes they are good quality.....;)
please find out and let me know because I could use caps that last a VERY long time like that :D

[Pipi]

:slap: damnit forgot you chaps are not in the US.
115v/120v 15a is a normal household circuit
very few~nil houses have dedicated high current circuits for pcs/electronics.
220/230 would just ask to help newbs burn down the houses.

We use 220/230 voltage and 15 to 20 amp fuses here. No problems with wiring. Ofcourse our houses are made from bricks, not wood :P

[esdee]

teaser pics... sorry for the bad quality, i only had my cell phone with me!

look at it's size, i bet the transformer alone can't fit in a normal psu case!
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1452/18122006168kl8.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18122006168kl8.jpg)

1500VA :fact:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7309/18122006172tf4.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18122006172tf4.jpg)

[alexio]

please find out and let me know because I could use caps that last a VERY long time like that :D
There is a good way to revive old caps. Looks for it on the internet, and if you can't find anything I'll explain to you how to do it ;)

[nn_step]

well I know about Metalized Plastic Film Capacitors, which are "self-healing"
but I couldn't find anything about reviving old caps

[Nanometer]

Huh?


Prosk8 is becoming famous for his random threads and posts, if you didn't already know. A quick search should give you a few minutes of laughs. lol



Subscribed.

[Nosfer@tu]

Man I Realy Sure For The My English

And I Fhing This Spam Man

Yes it is spam, It is not even OT.

[noobzed]

what will be the dimension of your psu ?

[nn_step]

just a little random fact for you, no need for more than 7amps on the 5v or the 3.3v lines. http://www.silentpcreview.com/article265-page2.html
but your probably knew that

[LordofDoom]

How is the progress coming along?

[ineedaname]

I know you already have some crazy capacitors but here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Cornell-Dubilier-30V-100000uF-Computer-Gr-Capacitor_W0QQitemZ7539904118QQihZ017QQcategoryZ36 336QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Just in case you need more

[elec999]

Why would you need a 2kwatt power supply.
Thanks

[nn_step]

Why would you need a 2kwatt power supply.
Thanks
Cus soon to be on top you'll need Octal SLI 9900GTX XXX ultra
with 4 Octal core processors, a bazillion drives, and a Miniature elf inside, just to make those extra 2 points in 3Dmark

[|Aegi3|]

Cus soon to be on top you'll need Octal SLI 9900GTX XXX ultra
with 4 Octal core processors, a bazillion drives, and a Miniature elf inside, just to make those extra 2 points in 3Dmark

rofl, octal core processors... imagine that

[nn_step]

don't forget the Physics Processing Unit
The AI Processing Unit
and the Extreme Subtext Unit.
all of which when overclocked Draw about 500w

[wtkprol]

don't forget the Physics Processing Unit
The AI Processing Unit
and the Extreme Subtext Unit.
all of which when overclocked Draw about 500w
each.....

[LordofDoom]

Extreme Subtext Unit.
MAN! Gotta get me one of them for the holidays! :banana:

[hipro5]

I know you already have some crazy capacitors but here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Cornell-Dubilier-30V-100000uF-Computer-Gr-Capacitor_W0QQitemZ7539904118QQihZ017QQcategoryZ36 336QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Just in case you need more

Thank you M8......I just "hited" the 2 x 77000uf from him....:) :toast:

Why would you need a 2kwatt power supply.
Thanks

Futureproof?....:D

Second toroidal just ordered.....1000VA.....So I'll have a total of 2500VA power for anything out there to "play" with... :D

[Norz]

Hipro5 you are a sick man,you know that.......SWEET :D

....must resist.....aaaargh...

[-Acid-]

don't forget the Physics Processing Unit
The AI Processing Unit
and the Extreme Subtext Unit.
all of which when overclocked Draw about 500w


how could you forget the raytracer gpu co processer with xdr 4 :slobber:

[M.Beier]

Interesting, lookin' forwards to see the final product George, and especially if you can get some HW to benefit from that monster :)

And what the hell's wrong, prosk8 still havnt received a ban? :|

[MeltedDuron]

Beir, that was slightly uncalled for, and prosk8 chill out bro you're going off topic here, live and let live... Loving the psu hipro, its totally nuts, btw the power grid called for you, they want their substation back :p

[bigdaddy25fb]

No kidding, that badboy plugged in is going to be sick. Can't wait to see it in action on a bench. Keep us posted Hipro your work always amazes.

[M.Beier]

First of all, sorry George, hope you dont mind me explaining my earlier statement.

MeltedDuron, certainly not, try to do a fast search in his posts, his only mission on XS is to ruin as many threads as possible with off topic crap and "sorry for my English"..

And then, not uncalled for, but, answering back - instead of thinkin' "I might be better off leavin' this", I recommend you have a look at the LN2 / DICE section, where he was offended by me and a few others not willing to help him get LN2 as his reason for it was "I like taking risks and playing with dangerous stuff, it gives me an adrinalin rush", not sure that was the exact words, but, all was mentioned..

- And a major lack in respect towards the entire OC-sport..

[أشرف]

Oh well, at least he didn't break any one of these forum rules. :D

[hipro5]

First of all, sorry George, hope you dont mind me explaining my earlier statement.

If you mean this:
Interesting, lookin' forwards to see the final product George, and especially if you can get some HW to benefit from that monster :)

...then yes we're going to play "hard" these days......;)

[SparkyJJO]

Hope you have a thick power cord planned for this thing ;) :D

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

Hope you have a thick power cord planned for this thing ;) :D
multiple power cords :)

[[XC] riptide]

God George.... you could nearly weld steel with that PSU.

[4v4nt4si4]

Hi Hypro, first at all gg for this topic!

I've a question:

Why not a modular PSU?
In this way u'll be able to set your PSU depending on the power absorption of the system.


GG again,


Paolo

[dinos22]

I love you George................you're my hero :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :D

Do it! do it! do it! do it!

[death metal]

Updates? More Pics? Way to go with this project, looking forward for the finish product...

[hipro5]

Hi Hypro, first at all gg for this topic!

I've a question:

Why not a modular PSU?
In this way u'll be able to set your PSU depending on the power absorption of the system.


GG again,


Paolo


No "modular" PSU for me.....
Modular PSUs are for case moding and not for overclocking....;)
Keep in mind that on EVERY molex or any other connector, you ALWAYS have voltage droop and I don't want any....;) :)

Propably tomorrow I'll get the other 1KVA Toroidal transformer so as to continue.....Output circuit is ready for ALL Voltages....;) :)

EDIT: I MUST make it quickly though coz I'm with TOO MUCH load now..... ;)

[hipro5]

And Hipro Why You Dont Give Me Pm Of My Q?

Which PM?......:confused: I don't have any PM from you....:(

[Kasparz]

And Hipro Why You Dont Give Me Pm Of My Q?
Be patient, learn English, learn basic forum rules, and then welcome back.
Now you should find Hebrew forum instead, it will be much better for you and us.

[perry_78]

Those transformers are SICK...


Kingpin might have taken the benching crown for the time being, but you just reclaimed the sickest modder heavyweight title.. Truly impressive :)

Ah prosk8, great to have you here!

[hipro5]

Those transformers are SICK...


Kingpin might have taken the benching crown for the time being, but you just reclaimed the sickest modder heavyweight title.. Truly impressive :)

Ah prosk8, great to have you here!


Thank you for your kind words M8...... :)
Wait till you see my own moded DDR Maximizer too.....:D

[hipro5]

Damn you guys! :D .......You don't know in what deep shi(f)t you have put me in......:(

It's 3:45am here in Greece and I'm designing new PCB for it....:(

Some update that came into my mind though...
It'll have SEPARATE output voltages and they will be:

a. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
b. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
c. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
d. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
e. +5V / 100A - 500Watts normal and 640Watts peak
f. +3.3V / 114A - 375Watts normal and 480Watts peak
g. -12V / ~10A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak
h. +5V / 25A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak

A TOTAL PSU power of 3625Watts NORMAL and 4640Watts PEAK power....:D

The PSU will be capable of providing these outputs at anytime....
Of course it depends on the toroidal transformers that I'll use.....
For now I'll use a total of 2500VA and in a year or two (who knows) the ONLY thing I will have to do is to change the transformers with 2 x 2000KVA (or more) and I'll be ready.....;)

Lines a. and b. will be for the VGAs.
Line c. will be for my - many - DELTA fans I use and a spare one.
Lines d. e. f. g. and h. will be for the motherboard/CPU/etc.

The case is ready and it is a U3 rack mount one.
I'll use 2 x DELTAS 12 x 12cm 190cfm each thermally controlled - when the heatsink's temperature raises, the fans will raise their speed and visa-versa...

I'll update as soon as possible...

[nn_step]

:slobber: I wanna try that PSU out :slobber:

[Revv23]

WOW.

Can't wait to see it!

[-Acid-]

Damn you guys! :D .......You don't know in what deep shi(f)t you have put me in......:(

It's 3:45am here in Greece and I'm designing new PCB for it....:(

Some update that came into my mind though...
It'll have SEPARATE output voltages and they will be:

a. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
b. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
c. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
d. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
e. +5V / 100A - 500Watts normal and 640Watts peak
f. +3.3V / 114A - 375Watts normal and 480Watts peak
g. -12V / ~10A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak
h. +5V / 25A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak

A TOTAL PSU power of 3625Watts NORMAL and 4640Watts PEAK power....:D

The PSU will be capable of providing these outputs at anytime....
Of course it depends on the toroidal transformers that I'll use.....
For now I'll use a total of 2500VA and in a year or two (who knows) the ONLY thing I will have to do is to change the transformers with 2 x 2000KVA (or more) and I'll be ready.....;)

Lines a. and b. will be for the VGAs.
Line c. will be for my - many - DELTA fans I use and a spare one.
Lines d. e. f. g. and h. will be for the motherboard/CPU/etc.

The case is ready and it is a U3 rack mount one.
I'll use 2 x DELTAS 12 x 12cm 190cfm each thermally controlled - when the heatsink's temperature raises, the fans will raise their speed and visa-versa...

I'll update as soon as possible...

My jaw hurts (hit the floor so hard n fast) George after reading that spec list its insane !!!!! :woot:

Wait till you see my own moded DDR Maximizer too.....:D

Own personal version of the DDr maximizer please tell more

[Canibuz]

Have johnny fly over when ur done and have him test it

[justin_c]

3.6 gigawatts! do i have to have a dedicated house circuit for this? have you decided a price for this?

[dinos22]

a. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
b. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
c. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
d. +12V / 52A - 625Watts normal and 800Watts peak
e. +5V / 100A - 500Watts normal and 640Watts peak
f. +3.3V / 114A - 375Watts normal and 480Watts peak
g. -12V / ~10A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak
h. +5V / 25A - 125Watts normal and 160Watts peak

A TOTAL PSU power of 3625Watts NORMAL and 4640Watts PEAK power....:D
[/B]
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: aren't you going just a tad overboard with that :D

[xlink]

I think it just got entirely pointless after the second thousand watts...

Run a few TECs with that too...

[SkylinGTR26]

Those are some psyco specs hipro..
Your power bills are gonna be so high, that PSU can power everything in my house! LOL :D

[Kobalt]

I think it just got entirely pointless after the second thousand watts...

Run a few TECs with that too...

Just a few? :slap:

[xlink]

i doubt the power bill would be any higher than before.

Remember it only uses that much power if it actually draws it.

[nn_step]

I think it just got entirely pointless after the second thousand watts...

Run a few TECs with that too...
better safe than sorry ;)
It'll probably support Octal SLi, 4P with 1TB of ram and enough Juice for a hundred hard drives :slobber:

[SparkyJJO]

3.6kW normal power??? Sick! I love it :D

[hipro5]

Guys keep in mind that this is not an "everyday PSU".....
It's only for "heavy" benching......;) :D

[mion]

Just wondering how big that psu would be, a small case size?

[nn_step]

Guys keep in mind that this is not an "everyday PSU".....
It's only for "heavy" benching......;) :D
how about "heavy" Crunching ;)

[-Acid-]

bet that could run half of Victors farm by itself :)

[Silvermirage]

I wonder what the efficiancy of this one'll be. Ever considered giving the computer a fuse box of its own?

[Speederlander]

Guys keep in mind that this is not an "everyday PSU".....
It's only for "heavy" benching......;) :D

And running old sparky at the local penitentiary on weekends.

[Revv23]

I wonder what the efficiancy of this one'll be. Ever considered giving the computer a fuse box of its own?


He is using old school power design, don't expect this to be efficient, but clean. :)

[zeeke]

Haha, you truely are insane hipro ;)

[Maxxpower]

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

can't wait for any photos...how much is the chassis big :p: ?

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

i think he said 3u right?

[404Power]

2000W PSU (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/436/1/)
I think you've got a serious opponent! :D :toast:

[Brettbeck]

2000W PSU (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/436/1/)
I think you've got a serious opponent! :D :toast:

Nahh :p:! I bet hipro's PSU will be far better :D!

[celemine1Gig]

2000W PSU (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/436/1/)
I think you've got a serious opponent! :D :toast:

If you compare this "thing" to hipro's killer PSU, you seriously have no clue. His power supply will play in a whole different league. Could be that it's not even the same game. :D

Mass production will never be able to match hipro's ingenius design.

[k|ngp|n]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: aren't you going just a tad overboard with that :D

Overboard is his middle name :D
Jeez this PSU is insane George. And if your already "loaded out" and need this monster....omg omg omg :eek:

[hipro5]

2000W PSU (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/436/1/)
I think you've got a serious opponent! :D :toast:

No way M8.......:D
This is a powerfull PSU BUT it's STILL PEAK POWER.......That's the "trick" of nowadays PSUs.....They DON'T write down the REAL 24/7 wattage......ONLY PEAK POWER......
Mine on the other hand will be a 3600Watts 24/7 and 4600Watts Peak power......:p:

[Thunder^]

I really hope you mean 3600W 24/7 and 4600W peak instead of KW???

[Jort]

offcourse KW hhahahaha :p:

Prolly forgot to place a . :D

[hipro5]

I really hope you mean 3600W 24/7 and 4600W peak instead of KW???

:) :D

[LordofDoom]

Bringin down the tri-state area :P

[Obi]

hey, can you even draw enough from a single power socket?

15Ax230v=3450W looks like you'll be pushing it there a bit...


obi

[Paulo Jorge]

Got some pictures of that powerfull PSU. :slobber: :slobber:

Good job Hypro.

Keep it up

[hipro5]

hey, can you even draw enough from a single power socket?

15Ax230v=3450W looks like you'll be pushing it there a bit...


obi


This will be the MAX ..... I don't think that it'll ever draw that much...
Even if it does, it will be pluged into it's own fuse of 25A....;)

[FireLight]

and you have some pic of the psu?




everybody a waiting for that:)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I just wanna see what he needs this much power for :P

dual quad Xeons @ 5+ GHZ quad 8800 GTX bout 20 some hds, ddr2 @ 4V

Maximizer on every card and ram also :)

Umm abour 30 some tornados in puch pull config..

Internal Autocascade 6 heads..

LOL this is some sick peice of hardware for sure..

[SoulGG]

Philosophy']I just wanna see what he needs this much power for :P

dual quad Xeons @ 5+ GHZ quad 8800 GTX bout 20 some hds, ddr2 @ 4V

Maximizer on every card and ram also :)

Umm abour 30 some tornados in puch pull config..

Internal Autocascade 6 heads..



A mini fridge cooling his refreshment drinks and watts to spare!

Been subscribed awaiting pictures so I can officially label you.....crazy! good work though:)

[SkylinGTR26]

mmm yes indeed, a mini fridge powered by your PSU would PWN! :D
It would so cool, that i could just say that my Kool-Aid isnt just regular Kool-Aid anymore, its Overclocked! With all this extra power just seeping into my fridge :D
Good stuff, keep up the crazy ideas Hipro :D

Guys stop rushin the guy w/ the pics, the man needs to focus on this monster PSU first, then buy a digicam... ;)

[Silvermirage]

I've got a 3kw power supply from an old sun server. It's got one 60v DC line @ 50 amps. I wonder if I could use that somehow to power a seperate 12v line. I'm not near my max power draw of my current 550w Antec though...

[Hutch]

Ultra just released a 2000W Single 12v Rail PSU with over 150A on the 12v...

[SafeFire]

That has been posted and said a few times in this thread Hutch ;).

150a is way overkill even compared ot Hipro's psu, 52a should do nicely.

[hipro5]

Ultra just released a 2000W Single 12v Rail PSU with over 150A on the 12v...

150A PEAK power......For a couple of seconds?....:D

[mefistofelis]

Subscribed...

[LordofDoom]

150A PEAK power......For a couple of seconds?....:D
Ultra is not so good at psus :slap:

You've hit the nail on the head hipro.

BTW, I agree, pictures?

[hipro5]

I'll upload some pictures tomorrow with a borrowed digicam(coz mine is broken).....BUT you'll be "scared" of them....:D

[SkylinGTR26]

MMMM.. cant wait :D

What is Ultra good at anyway, their PSUs suck, their ram is bargain crap, their cases are really cheap, their just not good at all...

Well keep up your 1337 work hipro5

[dietwaterrr]

Ultra is not so good at psus :slap:

You've hit the nail on the head hipro.

BTW, I agree, pictures?

Thats the past. please look at johnnyguru's site.

[[XC] DragonOrta]

Subscribed to this goodness. HiPro, you're crazy. :D

[King_Nebuchadne]

I have Victoria Magnetics Toroids with similar specs. 14V/2000VA
they were to power a set of six Aleph-X Amps.
But since my audio focus has moved to something even more extreme(Plasma tweeters!). but lets not get of topic, Can you post the diagrams(with suitable disclaimers of Course) so that other people (such as myself) can marvle at all your engineering Glory and perhapse even build ourselves a copy :) :clap: :banana:

[PowerSlide]

patiently waiting for pics :D

[Duh]

Not patiently, just waiting piccies :p:. I am more than convinced that you are gonna :slapass: as you have been doing ever since. Not trying to pressure you up though :D

[jonnyGURU]

150A PEAK power......For a couple of seconds?....:D

Actually, no.

150A sustained.

Albiet rated at 25C.

[generics_user]

Actually, no.

150A sustained.

Albiet rated at 25C.
but which PSU will ever run at 25C? :rolleyes:

all PSU manufacturers should rte their PSUs at 50C, this is more suitable for realworld-conditions (just like enermax did it with their galaxy PSU);)

[Kobalt]

My solar powered car can go 2000mph....






on the sun. :D

[Kasparz]

Actually, no.

150A sustained.

Albiet rated at 25C.
150A sustained with Ultra? And efficiency about 50% id guess. 110v wall plug cant output 2kW anyway.

[komer]

150A sustained with Ultra? And efficiency about 50% id guess. 110v wall plug cant output 2kW anyway.

Greece have 220v,not 110v like in USA...

[Timmay]

240 in Kiwi-land... Send us down that PSU Mate :D

[Kasparz]

Dont worry, i know.

[hipro5]

Some update......Unfortunately the box of it would be quite big - though I don't mind at all -
It's dimensions are U2 Rack mount (19") thus 48.2cm x 13.3cm (phase plate) and 55cm it's depth.....:)

I finally decided to make THREE indepented circuits for three +12V outputs.
Each +12V output will be 1000Watts REAL 24/7 power and 1300Watts peak.
Two of them will be for the VGAs and the other one, will be for the mobo....
All the other power supplies (3.3-5, etc.) will be done as described....

As for photos, I'll upload some as soon as I find some time to do so, coz I have a LOT of work to do here and not much time for my shelf to spend....:(

P.S. The big joke is that I've started an 1000Watts PSU only for the VGAs, and now I'm building a 5000Watts one.....:D

EDIT: I forgot to add that it'll have on each output voltage digital readout to show the real voltage under load or idle and off caurse full protected from overvoltage, overcurrent and over temperature.......PLUS that the 2 x 12cm x 12cm DELTA fans will not work all the time at full speed but they'll be thermaly controlled by the huge heatsink.... :)

[komer]

wow...:slobber:

[j4mes]

Make me when your done!:p:

[kuhla]

*drool*

This is so awesome.

Soooo.... when are you going to put all these ideas into a smaller, perhaps 700w model? hehehe jk

[xlink]

Some update......Unfortunately the box of it would be quite big - though I don't mind at all -
It's dimensions are U2 Rack mount (19") thus 48.2cm x 13.3cm (phase plate) and 55cm it's depth.....:)

I finally decided to make THREE indepented circuits for three +12V outputs.
Each +12V output will be 1000Watts REAL 24/7 power and 1300Watts peak.
Two of them will be for the VGAs and the other one, will be for the mobo....
All the other power supplies (3.3-5, etc.) will be done as described....

As for photos, I'll upload some as soon as I find some time to do so, coz I have a LOT of work to do here and not much time for my shelf to spend....:(

P.S. The big joke is that I've started an 1000Watts PSU only for the VGAs, and now I'm building a 5000Watts one.....:D

EDIT: I forgot to add that it'll have on each output voltage digital readout to show the real voltage under load or idle and off caurse full protected from overvoltage, overcurrent and over temperature.......PLUS that the 2 x 12cm x 12cm DELTA fans will not work all the time at full speed but they'll be thermaly controlled by the huge heatsink.... :)
you should probably give up on building a PSU at this point.

just go to the local power plant and lease all their equipment, get a few Megawatts...

[Pipi]

He would still need to get 12, 5 and 3.3 volts out of that so the PSU is still needed.

[SPL15]

How come your using linear regulation? You could make FAR better use of the power from the wall by using an Industrial DC-DC converter. Plus it would be simple, but of course expensive for the DC-DC converters.

If your transformer puts out 14 volts DC rectified at the amperage your trying to do then that will be several hundred watts if not 1000 watts of power being dissipated just by the regulation circuitry. Also the capacitance that will be needed to prevent excessive ripple to the regulation circuits will be outrageous. I know linear supplies put out nice clean voltage, but is it suitable for driving high current switchmode regulation on the graphics card?

I've had problems in the past with transient response with large linear regulation circuitry driving PWM regulation. Since PWM takes power in bursts thousands of times per second plus the EMI it fed back into the linear regulation it drove the feedback loop of the linear supply nuts and caused some serious High frequency oscillation which destroyed the linear supply in several minutes. It can be done, but there are easier ways. In my case the feedback 180 degree phase shift was too low considering the frequncy of the PWM. Your linear supply is gonna need one hell of a current slew rate. large secondary capacitance can help to some degree, but then you gotta worry about current peaks during recharge causing ringing on the output.

Seams the easiest, cheapest, and most power efficient route would be to design a SMPS that directly took filtered & rectified mains AC and put out the 12v. I bet there are medical switch mode power supplies that put out a hundred or so amps of current. But then again it wold cost thousands of dollars.

Also, I have a power supply at work that was used by a very very very well known automotive amplifier manufacturer and it puts out 300 amps at 7v to 18 volts DC. It was used to test 2000 watt Class D amplifiers which are horrid for noise induction into the electrical line so a couple of video cards is no prob.

I'd definitely like to see the schematic of your regulation circuitry. A 12v Linear regulated 400amp supply is nothing to sneeze at for sure!!:D

Is the 5000watts you figured output power or total power from the wall?

Also for anyone wanting a dedicated hundred to 200 amp 12v power supply, they are readily available for autosound purposes. I used to use them a lot for trade shows and when I competed in DB drag racing shows. Stinger makes decent ones and Im sure there are many other manufacturers also. they are also reasonably priced considering the output.

[hipro5]

I'm using Linear regulation for me and only.......I'm in love with one PSU of mine that I have it since 1985 and it works almost everyday testing/feeding the R.F. Linear Amplifiers (FM/TV) I make.....
Since that time till now, it works and it works and it'll keep working....;) :D
Now show me a Switching PSU that has worked OVER 20 years and STILL working with ~5 to 15mV output ripple at full load.....;)

Though in my constructions of my TV transposers/repeaters and FM Linear Amplifiers, I put switching PSUs.
As I have figured out all those years of manufacturing, the most (if not all) of the "machines" that come here for repairing, have switching PSUs and guess what!.....Their PSUs are died from the ups and downs of the El. power company...At 10 of these, only one or none is died with linear PSU....;)

As for EMI you're talking about, I'm used to it many years now coz I work with high frequencies and I HAVE to filter my "machines" VERY well for EMI and RF.... ;)

Anyways, I do like and work with switching PSUs as well BUT this one will be as I have dreamed off....:) :toast:

P.S. I MUST hurry up with it now coz I'm sick of having FOUR PSU for benching....One for main - Zippy 700W - one for all of my 12x12cm DELTA fans, and one for EACH VGA..... :(

[SparkyJJO]

don't hurry too much though, you want it to be perfect :)

[Kasparz]

P.S. I MUST hurry up with it now coz I'm sick of having FOUR PSU for benching....One for main - Zippy 700W - one for all of my 12x12cm DELTA fans, and one for EACH VGA..... :(
Talk 'bout overkill.
How thick are wires that u use for 12/5/3.3v? How much current they can handle?
You are probably best customer of Greece power station :D

[flclisgreat]

awesome psu

[LittleDevil]

238 Replies and no pics, hipro show us that monster :slobber:

Best Regards

[-Acid-]

its will only suck as much power at the rig requires not the full rated power of the psu,

great work George keep it coming

[celemine1Gig]

its will only suck as much power at the rig requires not the full rated power of the psu,

great work George keep it coming

Yes, but this monster (literally) will suck up more power than any other computer PSU around, as it's a linear design. One thing though, and that's the most important fact and hipro's intention: It will deliever much cleaner power than any switching PSU. It's not intended to be efficient. But who cares about efficiency when there are records to break. :D

Go hipro5. :toast:

[flclisgreat]

238 Replies and no pics, hipro show us that monster :slobber:

Best Regards

so true. we need some pics!

[hipro5]

don't hurry too much though, you want it to be perfect :)

Yes that's a problem now.....:(

At least I could prepare and get ready the 12Volts lines for now coz I'm in a benching time and afterwards, I'll do the rest of them.....I'll see....:(

Yes sorry for not picturing anything yet......As soon as esdee will come here with his digicam, I'll tell him to shot some and then upload them....
P.S. The heatsink weights about 10 - 12kgrs ..... :D

[Revv23]

Yes that's a problem now.....:(

At least I could prepare and get ready the 12Volts lines for now coz I'm in a benching time and afterwards, I'll do the rest of them.....I'll see....:(

Yes sorry for not picturing anything yet......As soon as esdee will come here with his digicam, I'll tell him to shot some and then upload them....
P.S. The heatsink weights about 10 - 12kgrs ..... :D



I think we need to start a fund to get you a new camera hipro! I think it would be a worthwhile repayment for all that you have given the community.

[Nosfer@tu]

I think we need to start a fund to get you a new camera hipro! I think it would be a worthwhile repayment for all that you have given the community.

Agreed Start a paypall!!! Or are you not enough of a man to accept handout Hipro5? ;):D :D:)

[Millyons]

Yes that's a problem now.....:(

....
P.S. The heatsink weights about 10 - 12kgrs ..... :D

OMG man lol thats crazy ..... that thing will be such a beast :toast: :slobber:

[Nanometer]

Talk 'bout overkill.
How thick are wires that u use for 12/5/3.3v? How much current they can handle?
You are probably best customer of Greece power station :D



Quarter guage I believe.:slobber:

[Micutzu]

...

Agreed. The only advantage of the linear supply would be clean output. On the other hand, i'm not sure the line ripple is very important as all the sensible parts in a PC (CPU, RAM, GPU, MCH etc) are powered trough secondary regulators.
I am very curious to see how hipro will make the linear regulators handle the transients, i'm guessing monster LC filters with very high-quality capacitors will be the method of choice. But, filters that big could probably clean up the voltage from a switchmode converter :).

[celemine1Gig]

...On the other hand, i'm not sure the line ripple is very important as all the sensible parts in a PC (CPU, RAM, GPU, MCH etc) are powered trough secondary regulators. ...


If I'm not mistaking, then lower ripple on the input means less power dissipation in the fed regulation circuit.

[Micutzu]

I don't think there's a direct connection.
It is true, input ripple will go right trough the PWM converter all the way to the output, but wether it's 50mV or 10mV doesn't really matter as the PWM's own switching noise is way-way-way more important there. Reworked motherboard PWM converters yes, those would really make a difference.

[tylerdustin2008]

Where is the rest of the work. 10 pages and nothing. Might be my first post, but yea......

[hipro5]

Where is the rest of the work. 10 pages and nothing. Might be my first post, but yea......

Heh, heh, heh.......I did about 2 years to finish the DDR Maximizer and you want in 2 weaks a "beast"....?.......:D

[nn_step]

Heh, heh, heh.......I did about 2 years to finish the DDR Maximizer and you want in 2 weaks a "beast"....?.......:D
speaking of which, when are going to be able to get the DDR3 PCBs? :rolleyes:

[celemine1Gig]

Where is the rest of the work. 10 pages and nothing. Might be my first post, but yea......

Great you just showed that you've got no clue. :fact: Use the search function and have a look at hipro's other projects. And then show some more respect in your further postings. ;) If hipro5 says that he's building a super PSU, then you can be assured that that's what he does. Some poeple got a real life and don't have all day long to take photos, or anything else, for postings in forums like these.

No offence taken, but think about it. :toast:

[hipro5]

speaking of which, when are going to be able to get the DDR3 PCBs? :rolleyes:

As soon as the mobos are out, the DDR3 PCB will be out too....;)

[SPL15]

Agreed. The only advantage of the linear supply would be clean output. On the other hand, i'm not sure the line ripple is very important as all the sensible parts in a PC (CPU, RAM, GPU, MCH etc) are powered trough secondary regulators.
I am very curious to see how hipro will make the linear regulators handle the transients, i'm guessing monster LC filters with very high-quality capacitors will be the method of choice. But, filters that big could probably clean up the voltage from a switchmode converter :).


In order to use low drop out linear regulation effectively, as in the RMS voltage going into the regulation circuit is very close to the regulated output voltage, you need pretty good filtering in order to keep the voltage above the drop out point or else the line ripple will dirctly be seen on the regulated output. Low dropout linear regulators are typically used to minimize losses and reduce wasted power due to the fact that the voltage times current equals power. If you minimise the voltage across the regulator, you minimize power dissipation of the regulator.

In HIPRO's case, he's gonna need all the efficiency he can possibly find.

Also, PWM regulation will NOT let line side ripple just pass through it. 60Hz ripple is a piece of cake for any decent switchmode regulation circuit. Since the PWM frequency is thousands of Hz higher than the 60 hz it is filtering, there is no problems getting rid of it. It slightly works like PCM works with audio in a computer. The sampling rate means a lot with higher frequency abilities, but low frequency sounds dont get very much benefit because there are thousands of samples for a 60hz tone compared to a 20khz tone which may only get a few samples or even only 2 to render the wave.

Now UNREGULATED PWM converting will no doubt pass line ripple hz for hz, but this is not regulating a voltage, it is just multiplying it. Like in car audio amplifiers. Most use an unregulated DC-DC converter which simply takes the 12VDC and it goes to a switching circuit that switches the 12vdc thousands of times per second and has a duty cycle of 50% (theoretically in a perfect world) and this gets fed to transformers and then rectified and filtered for 30 to 60 to 80 or higher volts DC. In this case, any and all line ripple passes straight through. If your into autosound, thats why there is such an emphasis on your car's electrical system's ground resistance and power delivery resistance.

Back on Topic though... I got a very good source for great quality 1 to 2 FARAD Aluminum electrolytic capacitors with a voltage rating of 20V's that would be PERFECT for Hipro's application. They are purposed to be used in Autosound, but would work great for line filtering in Hipro's application. Parrellel a six pack of 2 Farad caps and you'll have a nice 12 Farad capacitor bank.

I would stay away from those ultra high capacity automotive caps though (square shaped), they wouldnt be very good/safe for continous 60 Hz filtering and could definitely be dangerous or explosive if abused.

I dont feel like doing the calculations, but your gonna need a hellava capacitor bank in order to keep ripple small enough to use 16V for the voltage being regulated without getting dropout ripple feed through.

One other thing, no matter what, this power supply is going to be a massive RF transmitter because of the massive current spikes being switched by the rectification diodes. I suggest some sort of bypass cap and snubber circuits on your rectification or else you'll have the FCC knockin on your door... Well maybe not that extreme, but it could cause interference with your computer's signal integrity which could result in poor OC.

[brandinb]

wow slp15 im reading the custom sound system you list in your signature and i would love to hear something of that quality play some music!

anyways do you have any pics of that setup or can you give me anymore information?

[SPL15]

wow slp15 im reading the custom sound system you list in your signature and i would love to hear something of that quality play some music!

anyways do you have any pics of that setup or can you give me anymore information?


Yea it definitely can sing you to sleep or scare you to death. In my case this past weekend scared... My sub destroyed the drywall in the corner it is in. Screwheads are popped out and the drywall seam is cracked halfway up the wall. Play an 18Hz test tone and you can see the walls flex about 3/8" in the center. Play a 35Hz test tone and it makes your eyes water and police come and say hello... Yea had some buddies over and had too many beers and got outta hand at 3 AM...

Sorry dont have pics to show right now and I'd feel like a real jerk posting pics in Hipro's thread.

Back on topic though, How's it coming Hipro? What are the specs of the transformer you are using?

EDIT: My sig is (was) incorrect though. My sub is now a Digital Designs Audio 9515f in ported box. I sold the earthquake system it was very sloppy sounding. Also my sub amp is only 1500 watts, that 2500 was a typo. Also, please PM me if you want more details/comments I thread steal to much as it is

[BigJoe]

Can you post some PSU schemes?

On English please :wave:

[Pete]

Hipro - amazing dude. Used your old site for V modding my mobo years ago and now this just scream out to me! 5KW is imense. I though maybe getting 2 PC+P 1KW and running one the mobo and 1 GFX and the other for last GFX all my other gubbings. Think you should get a PSU out there that we all can use as the stuff that is out is as you says not what it is

[Judaeus Apella]

I saw this thread, and I remembered that Delta makes a huge line of switching power supplies from 6w to 5000w. I wonder if one could use one of those +1000w monsters for a DX10 SLi rig...? :D Let me look for the link...

Here ya go:
http://www.delta.com.tw/product/ps/sps/sps_product.asp?pcid=3&ptid=5

And you can buy all of it here:
http://www.icpowerx.com/focusparts/websearch1177.html

But good work man, the project looks good. :)