putting big thing inside a smal place :D

[|RickY|]

21cm3 compressor will be fun :)

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5589/condensadouc5.jpg

more soon

thanks and :toast:

[n00b 0f l337]

Hmmm I feel bad for the condenser...

[|RickY|]

it will work! 2x 220v power fans on it, big desuperheater and slhx will need to do the job :S :D

[Brettbeck]

Nice! Looks like a real monster :D.

Is that netting stuff over the compressor just protective stuff? Can you buy it from shops?

[|RickY|]

its aluminium to help cooling compressor, hard to install!

you can buy easy but it is not maded for this prupose :D

[Brettbeck]

its aluminium to help cooling compressor, hard to install!


Hehe I could imagine :p:!

Is it very effective?

[n00b 0f l337]

Probably increases the surface area once over, should be quite effective.

[piotres]

YESSSS :toast:

and please tell me now that You have old, damaged prommie1 case for it :slobber:

Sleeper SS ...like cars hehe :toast: :woot: .

How about probes Ricky ? Shoot me PM.

Regards
Peter

[LukeXE]

nice project, wondering about results :) Keep on goin` RickY

[Cupcake]

oohh. That looks very nice :) that compressor is HUGE lol

nice job :)

[johann]

Hmmm I feel bad for the condenser...

No way a prommy condensor can cope with a sc21

nevermind the condensor, I feel bad for the compressor.

[jinu117]

SC21CLX SS.... okay... who the hell is the customer Ricky?!
I just can't imagine lol. Wouldn't rotary be better pick for it's deeep.... sucking property? :P Interesting project for sure :P

[|RickY|]

piotres, ugpm :)

johann, i dont say no before test, that's my way, i only lean experimenting, bad for me :( but i read the less i can hehehe

jinu: rotary will be best but i can't get a way to put one inside promy box heheh





well, it works ok for now, dryer stays @ ambient temp, with only 1 fan on condensor for now, it will get another 50% for condensor 50% for desuperheater

geral pic on work
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7978/1re9.jpg

compressor temp after 2h of testing(58ºc) maybe dont even need more fans, with box it will be better cooled by airflow:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6613/comptempqw2.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1033/hxbj1.jpg

best temp just before oil freeze on evap, oil sep dont fit inside this box :S
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/541/77cq9.jpg

[MaSell]

-76'C in small prommy box :D . Amazing work :)

[LukeXE]

You used cpev ?

Nice temps for sure, but we wanna load :] :toast:

[4Qman]

Great ricky, Tight "literally" :p:

What refrigerant are you using. :rolleyes:

I like alot, especially the temps :slobber:

[|RickY|]

yes, load will be soon, today just a test. no, cappilar :) on load will be diferent, no oil sep required

[Brettbeck]

Holy crap! What gas are you using there? And what length/size of capillary tube :)?

[epion2985]

Guess power bill is not an issue. Whats the refrigerant? Power consumption under full load?

[|RickY|]

insulated and eletrics done,

r404a, 2.8meter of 0.8mm capillar, just a litle off r1550 today :D

and, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, -80 cracked on a promy box :)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3246/81xt6.jpg

need to get it on a cpu to take conclusions

[Clemmaster]

Conclusion is that it won't hold any load because of the too small condensor :D

You have a SLHX , desuperheater OK, but finally where does the energy go? The SLHX help the gaz to condense at lower preasures, but all load must go out of the system, so maybe the condensor will be enough (I hope so), but that's false to say that it will work only thanks to the SLHX and desuperheater...

[m411b]

I need to get me one of those.

[LukeXE]

But with enough strong fan and exit temp of condenser at reasonable level this unit will work very good.

[Pete]

So you have to match the condensor to the compressor then do ya? News to me kinda

[Clemmaster]

You can do anything with enough fan in this case ^^

[Duniek]

insulated and eletrics done,

r404a, 2.8meter of 0.8mm capillar, just a litle off r1550 today :D

and, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, -80 cracked on a promy box :)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3246/81xt6.jpg

need to get it on a cpu to take conclusions

:slobber: I would like to see temps on standard prommy sensor :lol:

I waiting for some load tests

[WA2]

insulated and eletrics done,

r404a, 2.8meter of 0.8mm capillar, just a litle off r1550 today :D

and, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, -80 cracked on a promy box :)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3246/81xt6.jpg

need to get it on a cpu to take conclusions

Nice. With The Baker mods on my Mach II I can get -71c.

[|RickY|]

thanks ppl :)

Clemmaster: i wish you are not absolutely correct, we will see it soon :)

wa2: if it was readed from standard prommy sensor forget, that sensor has no credibility,

duniek: it will be interested to see this temp on mach2 display heheh -120? maybe i can test it :D

i need to get this baby loaded to see if it is good enought
:toast:

[WA2]

I was going off the post before me...."standard prommy sensor". Crap...I spaced on including that and not quoting Duniek, too. In my mind it all was straight.. :P(seeing how I posted after him). Heheheh.. I see now how anyone would have gotten me wrong. I know the sensor is whack on these things. :D

[epion2985]

Lets see some load temps, I cant wait :D

[johann]

Conclusion is that it won't hold any load because of the too small condensor :D

You have a SLHX , desuperheater OK, but finally where does the energy go? The SLHX help the gaz to condense at lower preasures, but all load must go out of the system, so maybe the condensor will be enough (I hope so), but that's false to say that it will work only thanks to the SLHX and desuperheater...


Before you put ethylene, with pure r404a did you get -71c in idle temp with R404a?

I remember SC21 do not pull nice vacuum atall. It is weird how it pulls that low.

You know Ricky you should not post "Best temp" because people will think that it is the final temp. The final charged temp can never be -80c

Also, with that small condensor and ethylene inside, what is highside pressures idle/load?

It is easy for anybody to put Ehtylene or R23 inside unit to get this temp. Honestly I think it is deceiving people.

In your thread i always ask for pressures but you never answer? I think you are putting Ethylene inside units to get low temps for pictures

[|RickY|]

Before you put ethylene, with pure r404a did you get -71c in idle temp with R404a?

I remember SC21 do not pull nice vacuum atall. It is weird how it pulls that low.

You know Ricky you should not post "Best temp" because people will think that it is the final temp. The final charged temp can never be -80c

Also, with that small condensor and ethylene inside, what is highside pressures idle/load?

It is easy for anybody to put Ehtylene or R23 inside unit to get this temp. Honestly I think it is deceiving people.

In your thread i always ask for pressures but you never answer? I think you are putting Ethylene inside units to get low temps for pictures



well i show best temp becouse i like to get it! it's like posting screenshot's @ max frequency, if someone dont know that @ that temp the cpu dont run anything i dont care, we are on extremesystems not showing pics for my mother.

well my sc21cl push a rasoable vacuum, but the vacuum just start deep when slhx get frosted, 20cm slhx like the hx's i do for cascades, 6 pipes inside another.

sorry about that, but it's first time i put ethylene on a single stage sistem, well if it is condensing ethylene on slhx maybe not just a single stage.
i think extremesystems is not a newbie forum, so i dont care about who tinks -80 is the final temp, and i always have wrote i need to test it on load.

if i never awswer your pressure questions im sorry, i'll try to read beter your posts...
In this system @ -81 low pressure is about 0, hi side i didn't measure :eek: ethylene is condensing, no doubts of it, about condensor, temp on drier is ambint temp and compressor dont overheat. i know i must have hi side pressures, but inicialy i think on a normal system lol call-me crasy

and m8, i do this just becouse i like no problems about that i think, i like to test and try, if it dont work good on load i'll remake, and i'll say here it do not work, maybe i must know @start it dont work, but i need to try, my problem :S

on my sli cascade some ppl that know what are doing tell-me it will not work nice, but it works :S i use 1 first stage with a normal compressor with an hx with 2 pipes inside each pipe for each 2nd stage, i can work with only 1 evap or 2 evaps near -90 so it is an success.

extremesystems must love this tipe of projects becouse it test somthing some think not work and anothers think it can work, we can get some conclusion, and you have my word i'll not fake any result, thats not my kind.

it's good to know anyone have doubts about my work, if it was no good will be no doubts about it!

there is no reason to fake results... my friend will get it so he will see what this do :S it's like telling a girl i have a big :banana::banana::banana::banana:... she will see it :D

i like your post becouse you write what you think and thats good, so try to like my post becouse i write what i think too :)

sorry my english :S

[jinu117]

All in all fair guys :) Load her up man :) Will be interesting to see for sure :)

[wdrzal]

Unloaded temps mean absolutly NOTHING :stick: , you'd be better off to post a picture of your mother,at least she may cook you dinner then !!!;)

[|RickY|]

well, showing pics for my mother is diferent off showing pics of my mother.

i need to say sorry by showing pics while i'm working on it?? wtf? sorry by posting that pics... sorry by being happy by getting -80 on a single stage promy sized, i never thinked it is so easy :S

...

well, that realy matters:
i'v done some load on unit, 1.7v 3ghz caa2c is on -65 idle and -49ºc on toast.

low side pressures go to 0.8bar loaded, drier after condensor reminds @ambient temp.

it is condensig ethylene loaded if not it dont make near -50 loaded @ near 1bar. thats what make-me test another freons this night, r290, co2, ethylene, and some more 1 or 2 maybe.

i'm on laptop, pics later

thanks to the ones who at least think this can be interesting, :banana::banana::banana::banana: to the other ones :D no offence, i'll love to drink beers with all!!! hehehe

[jinu117]

And insuing fist fight? :) As I have suspected, I doubt ethylene is condensing at that temp and given pressure. This isn't first time it has been tried and probably won't be last. Still bit surprised that the condenser can cope with that much heat dump from SC21.. :) Of course, I doubt if the compressor is running at it's rating anyways on single stage :P Let's see what you can play with now ricky :)

[Jort]

Unloaded temps mean absolutly NOTHING :stick: , you'd be better off to post a picture of your mother,at least she may cook you dinner then !!!;)

suicide max screenshot doesn't mean anything too, hence many people are doing the best they can to achieve it.

Ricky is An overclocker so i understand his point of view. C'mon ricky do your best and show them some nice pics with loaded temps;)

[LukeXE]

Notice, that ethylene in this unit (for sure in autocascades too, in auto-c with only high stage gas/ethylene) give only nice idle temps, at load it just increase discharge pressure and maybe give some degrees (because slhx is too warm to condense it properly), but I`m not sure that it`s worth higher discharge.

I like mixing gasses in SS, with CO2 you can achieve good idle temps, but loaded sucks :D good job Ricky, try with other gases mix !

and btw, notice that not all R1150 is condensing, it probably condense in captube, which is the coldest place, so that`s why small amount of R1150 is giving to us low idle temps. When loaded there is too warm to condense it, and then it just increase suction and discharge pressure :)
I think you probably can achieve similar results with R410a or R402a.

RickY, please tell us discharge pressure :) And for sure don`t stop giving to us super low temps :D

[Brettbeck]

Sorry, but people really need to chill out a bit more here.

Like it's been said, people often go for suicide posts on CPUs. So whats wrong with doing the same on phase change units?

Lets NOT start a flame war please...

[epion2985]

i need to say sorry by showing pics while i'm working on it?? wtf? sorry by posting that pics... sorry by being happy by getting -80 on a single stage promy sized, i never thinked it is so easy :S
...

I don't think anyone meant to offend you. Your work looks great, I like it :)

Just keep in mind that people might be negative about your results because:

-colder is not better, colder is not the purpose of this machine
-keeping a load colder is better, and is the purpose of this machine

If I bought a freezer that hit -50C with no load but couldn't keep one steak below +50C it wouldn't be a good freezer would it now ;)

[|RickY|]

well dudes, i'v been o garage with my friend sl4ck, we'v tryed some co2 and propane and co2 propane ethylene etc etc
any exelent result, on a 1.7v 3ghz caa2c the best of night was near -6x idle and -44ºc with toast load. it is good by handling load, and i think this temp is very good, all near 0psu low, i notice some improvements like 4 or 5ºc load when i try to add a litle r407 to co2+propane

i need to try more, the sistem will be for an gpu and for bench,

if i get -65idle and -45 load after 20min is better than get -55idle and -48 load, becouse some benches just let 1min and will finish @ high temp than it will get after 10min of load
just an example i wish u can understand it :)

a friend tellsme we have an projecto to next week @university :S i didn't know, i'v been so :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing busy yesterday and today,, i'll only be time to continue next week :)

weel we get so absorved by work that we try another and another mix without take photos..., sl4ck we need to stop smoking that weed :S
next post will have photos for sure!

stay tunned :toast:

[Ssilencer]

Sorry, but people really need to chill out a bit more here.

Like it's been said, people often go for suicide posts on CPUs. So whats wrong with doing the same on phase change units?

Lets NOT start a flame war please...

You know what is false advertising?
We are not talking about a guy that made a unit, we are talking about one that also sell that units.

So, I think it is not fair, because usually the buyers don't have knowledge and they only see what is posted as tru 24/7 temps, that's why people ask for loaded temps.

I don't mean that you are doing this, I just say that this kind of pics just lead to misunderstandings.

So, now this is not a normal SS unit but an autocascade.
Also, the load is not over a dual core proc but a single core one.

And Brett, just for your knowledge, you can get -70 with just r22 with a heavy cc compressor, and that means nothing also, because if you fart over the evap, temps will sky rocket :D

[|RickY|]

ssilencer please...

this is a benching unit. this is a gpu-cooler, not 24/7. this is not an autocascade.
and please test one a64 caa2c .13n cpu @ more than 1.7v with toast and talk-to me. at least my cpu is hotter than other's dual cores i'v tested.

well... and i dont want to stole any custumers... i make some units time to time most time for friends, i dont have mutch time for phase-change. please dont even think i want any confusion to sell more units... thats ridiculous, and when the work as done i'll post temps loaded of course so anyone will have doubts -80 was not the final temp...

:toast:

[Ssilencer]

ssilencer please...

this is a benching unit. this is a gpu-cooler, not 24/7. this is not an autocascade.
and please test one a64 caa2c .13n cpu @ more than 1.7v with toast and talk-to me. at least my cpu is hotter than other's dual cores i'v tested.

well... and i dont want to stole any custumers... i make some units time to time most time for friends, i dont have mutch time for phase-change. please dont even think i want any confusion to sell more units... thats ridiculous, and when the work as done i'll post temps loaded of course so anyone will have doubts -80 was not the final temp...

:toast:


Read my post again, I will quote my words:


I don't mean that you are doing this, I just say that this kind of pics just lead to misunderstandings.

A lot of people don't understand as much as you think.

[Brettbeck]

Ssliencer I see what you mean, and I agree lots of people don't know as much as we would expect.

But we all know Ricky is a very skilled phase change builder, and i'm sure we all knew that he would adjust the unit so it worked the best it can when under load :).

[G H Z]

A lot of people don't understand as much as you think.

I'm sorry but if they don't understand it, it's their problem. Ricky said plain as day it's an unloaded temp, plus the evap is hangin out right in front of your face ;)

Nice job Ricky, good luck with the tuning.

[Clemmaster]

Luke : Do you really think gaz can condense in the captube? I'm not sure about it ?

Ricky : Try another biger condenser just to see if you can reach more than -44° loaded :d

[epion2985]

Luke : Do you really think gaz can condense in the captube? I'm not sure about it ?

Ricky : Try another biger condenser just to see if you can reach more than -44° loaded :d

Its spelled "gas" not "gaz". It can, but how much and how fast and weather its enough and fast enough is a harder question. A SLHX would solve the problem though.

I don't think he can fit a bigger condenser in the case he has to fit everything in. But he can add a better fan.


@|RickY|

Have you tried a smaller compressor? Bigger isn't always better, its like pumps in water cooling, at some point the greater heat dump starts working against you by outweighing any gains.

[LukeXE]

Luke : Do you really think gaz can condense in the captube? I'm not sure about it ?


Hm, why not, captube makes restriction in the system, if it`s wrapped around suction some of gas in it can became liquid form.

[Clemmaster]

So why can't it vaporize into captube??

Do you know what pressure does the gas reach in the captube?

[epion2985]

So why can't it vaporize into captube??

Do you know what pressure does the gas reach in the captube?

Its doesn't vaporize "into" the captube. You mean inside? It can, if its wrapped around the suction line and will get cold enough.

The pressure inside the captube? Thats dependent on a lot of things: charge, load, refrigerant, cap line length and diameter, condensing temperature.

[LukeXE]

Its doesn't vaporize "into" the captube. You mean inside? It can, if its wrapped around the suction line and will get cold enough.

The pressure inside the captube? Thats dependent on a lot of things: charge, load, refrigerant, cap line length and diameter, condensing temperature.

Thank you Epion for great answer

[epion2985]

holy sea monkeys!! that was my 2000'th post, I don't remember posing that much >< maybe thats why my grades are hitting rock bottom :(