cooler express

[wdrzal]

Since someone closed the thread before I got to make my final post I wrote I'm starting a new one.

I have a feeling self interists are involved in locking the thread instead of education of the forum. After all the Major blunders by are own members ,lock the thread to hide it.

so heres my last post cut and pasted in.



You know minus the bad history with company and previous units I wouldn't be that negative about the unit if it cost $500. That heap of junk is hardly worth $2000.

:down: :down: :down:

PS:
But honestly I think we are just doing what they want us to do, good or bad comments regardless we are keeping this thread at the top of the page and helping their spam advertising. This thread should be deleted or at the very least if anyone thinks it has any value moved to the for sale section as thats where it would at least remotely belong.


I do not know the cost,but that aside to Me it is not over sized and looks well constructed.

The heat load testing was shown upfront and appears to be completely honest.

Some of you who tried to shoot down his method of load testing should take another look and you will learn something.

While you say its advertising,well maybe a little but a lot less than other users here do.

Most of the post was giving performance facts and explaining how they came to be. So in my book this was a very educational post,especially since all the posts by others proved so many builders & fan boys don't understand the proper way to measure electrical loads.

He took the time to label all the test equipment and give actual readings over a set time period.

As to price, he has financed the unit out of his pocket and its ready to ship,maybe cost more but he's used his money ,not asking for money in advance then asking you to wait from several weeks to ?????? to you get your unit.

Plus you have the actual test results before you pay a dime. Most builders here want money upfront before they start and have no idea what the actual performance is since the unit is not built yet.

I don't know this guy or his history, but the unit looked represented in a honest manner. :fact: :clap:

This thread just proved how much the experts here don't know.:slap:

[aussie_guy00000]

I would have to agree, when I first read the post and before I realised it was commercially motivated (not that that matters), I thought it was one of the most comprehensive testing regime's carried out that I had seen before and the tester had obviously gone to great lengths to demonstrate all aspects of the unit and to make sure that it was as clear and honest as possible. I probably would have respected it a bit more if he'd asked one of the mods if he could post the "review" first but and not hidden his commercial interests. But that's just my 2 cents worth (or $AU5 if you convert it :D).

[dinos22]

i posted something similar but was quickly corrected......................i suspected that jinu117 as a system builder is probably a little biased and is all too happy to knock such a product

it's getting a little confusing now

maybe we should ask cooler express to send a unit to an unbiased member to evaluate these such as fugger. i know fugger will respect the members here to provide an unbiased look as it would be a shame to just ignore products such as cooler express as they do something which not many phase coolers do and that is cool CPU and QTY-2 gpuS

[epion2985]

Since someone closed the thread before I got to make my final post I wrote I'm starting a new one.

I have a feeling self interists are involved in locking the thread instead of education of the forum. After all the Major blunders by are own members ,lock the thread to hide it.

First of all good job on working against the decisions of moderators and stirring up crap. I personally don't care what the reasons are for locking threads and while I am here I abide by the rules and decisions of the administration, and you are no exception.

As for interests I have no idea why you say that then quote me. I don't build or sell anything on this forum.



I do not know the cost,but that aside to Me it is not over sized and looks well constructed.

And who is arguing with you on the size? And the cost is a major thing to omit there. I don't care how well its made, it doesn't make sense when you can buy a better solution for less.


While you say its advertising,well maybe a little but a lot less than other users here do.

First of all its not "a little". The god damn a$$holes register spam accounts just to post adds and nothing else. That is called SPAM wdrzal and they were BANNED for this before.

On the subject of "others" advertising here let me tell you something, some of those others made this site what it is today, some of them pay for the bandwidth you and everyone else use. They have the god given right to do as they god damn please on their site. Don't like it, let me show you the door.


As to price, he has financed the unit out of his pocket and its ready to ship,maybe cost more but he's used his money ,not asking for money in advance then asking you to wait from several weeks to ?????? to you get your unit.

Plus you have the actual test results before you pay a dime. Most builders here want money upfront before they start and have no idea what the actual performance is since the unit is not built yet.


Yes some practices have not been perfect here but you are missing the reality. Fact is two years ago refrigerating your computer at home was unheard of and not done. Someone decided to start, and you know a lot of us enthusiasts out there do not do this for a living. It started as an experiment, then others wanted to have a part in. This wasn't intended to be a business. So when some people asked capable members to help them out and maybe slap something together in their garage they got it. And this act being no major business is hard sometimes to finance for some random person on some random request. True things have changed, and so do the practices now, we all know that. But I'll say this again, this was never intended to be a business back when it started, and yes the practices stuck. But thats a totally different issue and has nothing to do with the unit being a rip off.



I don't know this guy or his history, but the unit looked represented in a honest manner. :fact: :clap:

Well if you admit to not knowing the full story why do you open your mouth so readily?


This thread just proved how much the experts here don't know.:slap:

Thats yet another problem. Don't try to shift the subject. I'll be honest with you here, the owners nor the "experts" here really claim to be all knowing and perfect. But its the best we have and some of us are grateful for that. Either way bashing the people who's community you visit so frequently is a bit tasteless.

[dinos22]

i posted something similar but was quickly corrected......................i suspected that jinu117 as a system builder is probably a little biased and is all too happy to knock such a product

it's getting a little confusing now

maybe we should ask cooler express to send a unit to an unbiased member to evaluate these such as fugger. i know fugger will respect the members here to provide an unbiased look as it would be a shame to just ignore products such as cooler express as they do something which not many phase coolers do and that is cool CPU and QTY-2 gpuS

ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMPANY AS WELL IF THEY ARE READING THIS

SEND A UNIT TO FUGGER RIGHT AWAY :toast:

[epion2985]

I would have to agree, when I first read the post and before I realised it was commercially motivated (not that that matters), I thought it was one of the most comprehensive testing regime's carried out that I had seen before and the tester had obviously gone to great lengths to demonstrate all aspects of the unit and to make sure that it was as clear and honest as possible. I probably would have respected it a bit more if he'd asked one of the mods if he could post the "review" first but and not hidden his commercial interests. But that's just my 2 cents worth (or $AU5 if you convert it :D).

That would have made things a lot better in my opinion too. I don't know if locking it is better or moving it to for sales section. Thing is no respect was shown for the forum rules. If they want to advertise, fine, I don't care, post it int he for sales section where it belongs. But the fact that they didn't and blatantly engaged AGAIN, after being banned for it, in making add accounts and posting in incorrect areas warrants some sort of punishment.


ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMPANY AS WELL IF THEY ARE READING THIS

SEND A UNIT TO FUGGER RIGHT AWAY :toast:

Well Fugger does have a bias if you want to get nitty gritty. He and chilly1 are in this venture together.

[n00b 0f l337]

It was really fine with me except seeing it thrown up on many different forums in a blatant advertising manner and also since the member has been banned before for mass PM'ing selling evaporator clamshell's.

[epion2985]

It was really fine with me except seeing it thrown up on many different forums in a blatant advertising manner and also since the member has been banned before for mass PM'ing selling evaporator clamshell's.

Exactly... The dislike, anger and hate behind all this is generated by some bad history, that "some" people here may not know but post in defense....

[Sneil]

If he's already been banned shouldn't he stay banned? That's all there is to it regardless of what he is posting. I thought bannded meant gone forever.

[n00b 0f l337]

He made a second account and I think he hoped no one would notice the links of the pictures go to Cooler Express's site.

[dinos22]

Well Fugger does have a bias if you want to get nitty gritty. He and chilly1 are in this venture together.
i know that BUT read my post again and you will realise what i mean.............it's all about respect and integrity...i regard fugger as someone with plenty of that still

[epion2985]

i know that BUT read my post again and you will realise what i mean.............it's all about respect and integrity...i regard fugger as someone with plenty of that still

Agreed

[runmc]

The guy has already been banned once.
If he hadn't already been banned I could't move this thread to for sale because the username and date weren't added to the pictures. Neither was a price given.

If you like the cooler buy one and do a review. I believe Coolala aready did a review on the unit anyway.

BTW - I closed the thread - Sorry I didn't give an explanation. I thought it was clear from some of the post in the thread - my mistake.
An address check was run on the guy and was the same address as some one who has already been banned. This guy was registering under another name after being banned. That is against the forum rules.

[wdrzal]

First, epion I quoted you since you were the last to post after I explained how wrong jinu was, and then how vigorously you agreed with him ,both of you were wrong. Then sexymf said I was wrong, then he was corrected by Detroitac.

Epion you posted a 3 thumbs down and mentioned a cost, the poster did not mention a cost. You also called it a piece of junk. The Way I see it, from just the posts in that thread and in general epion,jinu or sexymf are not qualified to pass judgment on the unit if you don't understand the basics of load testing. That why I suggested to go back and learn something. as that was one of the better post with the appropriate equipment & explanations that I ever saw on XS for load testing.

It was a very educational post for load testing.

As to closing the thread:.........if he was banned before he should have been immediately banned again as soon as the post was made,not just close the thread after Jinu bashed him terribly then went back and deleted it and with the last post of epion bashing his rig.

His post did not mention for sale in any way or give a price, if banned ban him,not after all the self serving users bash him.

I don't take sides and am neutral as I don't even try to sell any of my inventory here. Not only don't I take sides but I will speak up when someone is wrong.

And yes, this site is fuggers and chillys, they do have the final word on what goes. but mods don't own it ,sometime I think a mod may have a different view than mine and I will challenge that,on the very few occasions it has happened.

Jinu if he was banned and you knew that you should have banned him then closed the thread , not bash him in several posts with epion backing you.

Ron same thing goes if he was banned he should have been banned again not just lock the thread after epion did more bashing(which I may point out is against the rules since epion likes to point to rules so much).

Sure I thought is was odd a user on his first post ,pictured such a advanced unit,but not knowing who he was and after reading his post I felt it was valid just for the informational value on how to load test...............

Thats my veiw as how I seen this develope............wrong information is worse than NO information. That the reason for my post in that thread and for starting this new thread to correct epion from calling it junk. I seen far worse that was not described as so,the Bias was evident right from the beginning.
Walt

[dinos22]

^^^^^^ Reality Check Boys ^^^^^^

[runmc]

Ron same thing goes if he was banned he should have been banned again not just lock the thread after epion did more bashing(which I may point out is against the rules since epion likes to point to rules so much).

I noticed in admin that the guy had been banned already. As soon as I saw he had been banned before I closed the thread. I don't have the authority to ban , but I can close a thread until furher action is taken. ;)

[jinu117]

Hmmm... Maybe I need to explain better on where I am coming from.
#1. As soon as I saw the post, I saw it as the above mentioned company that was banned from xtremesystems while back by spamming wanna buy our "mounting enclosure"
#2. I was unaware of the situation that it was spammed and asked them since it looke decent type of enclosure on pricing, etc. Asked them for sample and they requested me to pay up for it (no biggie, really). Now, the e-mail and paypal info supplied to pay (which took them a while to setup) was... something in line of... (randomaplhabet)(some numbers)@yahoo.com which clearly is not what someone would keep for continuation of business, etc. I requested for more reasonable account, etc... than no reponse back (around that time I found out he was spamming... EVERYONE... and has been banned appropirately).
#3. After that, I hear people having problem with Popping Capacitors with few units they bought. Maybe you can explain why that would happen Walt.
#4. Reuptable online retailer starts carrying it for... 2 units or so and it disappears from that place. Not even out of stock but disappears.
#5. The only person who did "review" this product try to sell it immediately after his benching.

From there on, obviously, I have my bias set. Than I see this one posted as if it was USER REVIEW. There is no mention of the fact this "test" is conducted by manufacturer themselves (sure... do we trust what every mobo makers has to say?) and immediately my bias started on it.
#1. Find out who this is. If real user who bought it and reviewed it, fine. Bit of marketing tone but it could go as review or something --- WRONG.
#2. I see quite decent temperature using components utilized. Here is where my bias just went a little overboard, yes, I already have apolgized. And any edition to post I made was actually on my OWN post in case no one noticed... ??? As words were written too harsh.
#3. Reason I didn't do immediate ban (other than authority I have) obviously was this is exactly what I was afraid. Someone accusing me of being a builder myself coming down on this... company... with ulterior motive as Wdrzal so clearly puts it. In retrospect, it would have been just much better that I drew up my modstick and deleted the thread when I first saw it than asked admin for apporpirate action. (now that makes it 2 mistakes)

Now, if this isn't clear enough, I don't know what to say. For those offended by my post, I am sorry. I will explain my view, I will explain why I felt that way just like I have done now. I will apologize on my mistake, I will acknowledge what I have made mistake on.

[epion2985]

First, epion I quoted you since you were the last to post after I explained how wrong jinu was, and then how vigorously you agreed with him ,both of you were wrong. Then sexymf said I was wrong, then he was corrected by Detroitac.

Epion you posted a 3 thumbs down and mentioned a cost, the poster did not mention a cost. You also called it a piece of junk. The Way I see it, from just the posts in that thread and in general epion,jinu or sexymf are not qualified to pass judgment on the unit if you don't understand the basics of load testing. That why I suggested to go back and learn something. as that was one of the better post with the appropriate equipment & explanations that I ever saw on XS for load testing.

It was a very educational post for load testing.

As to closing the thread:.........if he was banned before he should have been immediately banned again as soon as the post was made,not just close the thread after Jinu bashed him terribly then went back and deleted it and with the last post of epion bashing his rig.

His post did not mention for sale in any way or give a price, if banned ban him,not after all the self serving users bash him.

I don't take sides and am neutral as I don't even try to sell any of my inventory here. Not only don't I take sides but I will speak up when someone is wrong.

And yes, this site is fuggers and chillys, they do have the final word on what goes. but mods don't own it ,sometime I think a mod may have a different view than mine and I will challenge that,on the very few occasions it has happened.

Jinu if he was banned and you knew that you should have banned him then closed the thread , not bash him in several posts with epion backing you.

Ron same thing goes if he was banned he should have been banned again not just lock the thread after epion did more bashing(which I may point out is against the rules since epion likes to point to rules so much).

Sure I thought is was odd a user on his first post ,pictured such a advanced unit,but not knowing who he was and after reading his post I felt it was valid just for the informational value on how to load test...............

Thats my veiw as how I seen this develope............wrong information is worse than NO information. That the reason for my post in that thread and for starting this new thread to correct epion from calling it junk. I seen far worse that was not described as so,the Bias was evident right from the beginning.
Walt

I don't know why you keep going back about the load testing. That was for the most part not my main beef. If it was accurate fine, that changes nothing in my eyes as there are many other issues.

Rules were broken and the forums was disrespected and a banned user created accounts again, for sale purposes, again, after spamming pm inboxes and bing banned for it, for sales attempts, again.

My main problem with the unit itself is price. The fact that you don't know the price is not my problem. That unit last time I checked sold for around $2000. For that much money it is a pile of junk. This is not a subjective matter. Its a fact when you can get a much superior solution for less. My 1992 acura works and runs somewhat ok but limping. However for $50,000 guess what it is... a pile of junk.

I do take sides, the side I think is right, and I am not going to admit otherwise and play your neutrality card.

-This user is an a$$hole and needs to be ip perma banned.
-His unit for that price is a pike of junk.
-His companies horrible history of returned defective units speaks for itself.
_His company does have an incredibly shady history.
-And after the way he abused this forum I don't care how well of a product it is, I don't want to ever see his crap or his name around here ever again.

As for you being so critical of the mods, well in my opinion thats a slippery slope. They are chosen usually why direct knowledge of the owners to some extent. So if fugger places faith in their judgment disrespecting or questioning a mod (not on technical knowledge but on moderating decisions) is the same as questing fugger.

Also again you seem to speak without knowing the whole story. Mods as I suspected don't have the power to ban people left and right like that. There is a lot of background work and talk that happens before anything like that goes in to effect.

As for me breaking the rules I haven't broken any. Saying negative things about that unit and that person and that company (with exception of the load testing argument) is not bashing because its true.

-The guy did abuse the forum.
-He did disrespect the owner.
-He did make a very crappy unit for the price he charges.
-He did run a company that had a high failure rate for their units.
-He did come back and disrespect the owners again.
-Those are facts, and have nothing to do with bashing.

Now you telling mods how to do their jobs is disrespectful on the other hand because until I see your name in bold you have as much say on these issues as me, which is absolutely none what so ever as we are just non paying users of this forum.

[[XC] MarioMaster]

how about we just delete both threads and move on?

[ooztuncer]

I can't believe I read all the posts above.

Let me tell you something guys, most of the conversation is childhish and brings nothing to this forum and its members.

if you have problems with other members, please carry them to pm's... or better use speak freely section.

[johann]

That guy was banned because of spamming and banned he should stay. There is nothing else to discuss really. Rules are rules arent they?

[johann]

I agree Tom, this thread is completely pointless

[rapty]

A Company in for a quick Profit Build Quality looks crap for the price and compared to what Asetek can offer or some of the boys around here no point talking about this much longer

:toast:

Christmas Soon !!!

[guess2098]

well i did pay for like 1800 for sample for 3 heads.. year and half ago
used once and throw it to dumpster......piss me off

[epion2985]

well i did pay for like 1800 for sample for 3 heads.. year and half ago
used once and throw it to dumpster......piss me off

Thanks. I was looking around for complaint threads I have seen on other forums but cant find them right now.

[dinos22]

well i did pay for like 1800 for sample for 3 heads.. year and half ago
used once and throw it to dumpster......piss me off
since you are the only one here with one .....can you elaborate a little so we can all be educated

[FUGGER]

Months ago a tripple head sample was scheduled to be shipped to me by request of another site who said that XS was a good fit for exposure. The sample was to be shipped through FrozenPC and they confirmed my address.

I then get an email saying that they are going to send the unit to MaximumPC instead.

Thanks for the support guys, I would have been honest on what to expect from the unit. Granted my quad cores and dual 8800 GPU's woud have given it more than it bargained for but I did have a nice conroe and pair of 7950GT's that would have been a bit more suited to the capacity of the unit.

[epion2985]

Right now it seems is that time when the market is flooded with the product, DD phase change coolers, and what will be separating the companies who will come out on top will be refinement. Quality over quantity/size.

[quintus]

too bad we, all of us here, cant get together drink and have as much chicks for fre as much as we want - offcourse johann will skip the chiks part:D- and wake up few with the mood that the pioneers of XS had had few years ago...

say YES there is no NO

wtf is the weather cause most of us are above ecuator and winter is coming or what? stop this :banana::banana::banana::banana:! does it help somebody? learn to stay cool from time to time upgrade your psih to the need of not replying to :banana::banana::banana::banana: or generaly posting to f up the atmosfere here.

some things must change around here, if i was the boss i will let only autocascade and inovating ideeas on the front page only

regards,
quintus

PS: one who feels tha need to quote me get the hell out and get drunk or think positively!
:):D