Razer DeathAdder, new gaming mouse

[kuhla]

I think at least some of you have heard of the company. They have been around a while. They announced a new gaming mouse today. Recently they teamed up with Microsoft to make the Habu gaming mouse ( http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx?pid=092 ).

Today they announced their latest gaming mouse, the DeathAdder which incorporates some features that are quite a departure from their previous mice. I thought it was news worth. :toast:

Anywho, here are the links, info and some pics.

Deathadder product page -->> http://www.razerzone.com/Products/Gaming-Mice/Razer-DeathAdder-Gaming-Mouse/

Razer website -->> http://www.razerzone.com/

Press release1 -->> http://www.razerzone.com/The-News/Press-Releases/Razer%26trade%3B-Unveils-3rd--Generation-Infrared-Sensor-Technology-for-Computer-Mice/
Press release2 -->> http://www.razerzone.com/The-News/Press-Releases/Razer-Unveils-the-DeathAdder-Gaming-Mouse-with-3G-Infrared-Sensor-Technology/

# 1800 dpi 3G Infrared Sensor
# 1000 Hz Ultrapolling™ / 1ms Response
# 5 programmable, Ultra-large Non-slip Buttons with Hyperesponse™
# 16-bit Ultra-Wide Data Channel
# Zero-Acoustic Ultraslick™ Teflon Feet
# Always-On™ Instant Response
# Award-winning On-The-Fly™ Sensitivity Drivers
# Right-Handed Form Factor

http://www.razerzone.com/store/images/deathadder_LRG1.jpg
http://www.razerzone.com/store/images/deathadder_LRG2.jpg
http://www.razerzone.com/store/images/deathadder_LRG3.jpg

[jetjaguar]

hmm wonder which i should upgrade my copperhead to .. this or the habu

[comment]

Happy not to be left-handed.

Anyways, seems to be quite a cool mouse...

[Eastcoasthandle]

Not bad I was also considering the reaper (http://www.ideazon.com/us/products/reapergamingmouse.asp)

[Fr3ak]

Good that the Habu I just bought is not for me lol
I am still happy with my Diamondback, but I only use it for gaming. For office use I prefer the MS Intelli Mouse Explorer 3.0

[Rovtar]

oh c'mon design sucks very much....

[comment]

oh c'mon design sucks very much....Elaborate, please...

[metachronos]

Why not get a g5 laser, the max dpi is higher

[comment]

Why not get a g5 laser, the max dpi is higherAnd...

[Anavel0]

Yeah never liked the feel of the Razor mouses. I love me Logitech G7, best mouse for me.

[turbox997]

Good to see a new product. I like razer products thus far, I've used the diamondback and copperhead, i gotta admit though, copperhead side buttons seemed a bit too sensitive and would click with the slightest touch.

[Mortal]

Good to see a new product. I like razer products thus far, I've used the diamondback and copperhead, i gotta admit though, copperhead side buttons seemed a bit too sensitive and would click with the slightest touch.

That might be because people/reviewers complained that the thumb-buttons on the Diamondback were too "stiff" to click easily. Perhaps they over-compensated?

I've never used a Razer mouse myself though. My Logitech MX-518 has served me well thus far! Although the green Copperhead mouse does have this alluring look that'd go well with my case lights! :p:

[Reznik Akime]

I think its ugly.

And it don't have enough buttons.

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

finally, razer tries not to use both left and right handers.

Why? Most left handed people have trained themselves with a right mouse. Just like my roommate.

Ryan

[safan80]

I like my mx1000.

[revenant]

I like the looks of the Habu better... was thinking about a new gaming mouse, but leaving my G7 will be tough.. hrm.

[damnnit]

So sell a Habu with no lights on the side as a different product? Whats the pricing, i notice its 200dpi lower than Habu.

[Order]

Can we PLEASE get rid of these :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing lights on EVERYTHING?!

[Revv23]

it looks just like an intellimouse explorer 3.0 with a new body.


nothing bad about that. :)

[PowerSlide]

i think it looks great n 1st time i see a better quality razer mouse at least doesnt look like a cheap toy in the pics

[AzraelDarkangel]

Anyone seen this before?
http://gamingmouse.com/index.php
http://gamingmouse.com/resizeimage.php?name=w_r2blackbh.jpg&mw=600&mh=600
http://gamingmouse.com/resizeimage.php?name=w_launchpcombo1.jpg&mw=600&mh=600

[NickS]

I'm a pure Logitech man I'll admit, so my opinion may seemed biased but that design is pure friggin failure. The mouse is like a cliff at the end. Wheres the egronomics?

Maybe I'm too used to comfortable mouses. I've gone from MX700 to MX1000 and now my less than a month old MX Revolution.

[Anavel0]

I like my mx1000.
I had an MX1000 for a long time. 99% loved it, the only part I didn't like was it is on the bigger side of PC mouses and I have super small hands. Unfortunately or fortunately it mysteriously decided to stop working one day after being fully charged. So I got a Logitech G7, and man do I love this mouse to no end.

@ NickS: There are little to no ergonomics on the Razor mouses to me. I've tried them all and none of them feel any good to me.

[NickS]

I had an MX1000 for a long time. 99% loved it, the only part I didn't like was it is on the bigger side of PC mouses and I have super small hands. Unfortunately or fortunately it mysteriously decided to stop working one day after being fully charged. So I got a Logitech G7, and man do I love this mouse to no end.

@ NickS: There are little to no ergonomics on the Razor mouses to me. I've tried them all and none of them feel any good to me.

I had my MX1000 exactly 365 days. By the time 330 days came around the left click started to get finky. Threw it away but man was the grip like no other. Actually, I'd have to say it may have been a bit more comfy than my MX Revolution, because it was wider and I have HUGE hands for my age.

My friend Dan has the G7. Same grip as the MX 700 which is "meh" but still comfy.

[Metroid]

Yeah never liked the feel of the Razor mouses. I love me Logitech G7, best mouse for me.


G7 all the way here. I have been for 10 long months with this mouse and no problems so far.

9/9

Just the batteries are the weak point but does not let me down on any moment, because it comes with 2 batteries :)

[[XC] hipno650]

nice design but my mx 510 is doing better then ever and it'll do for now.

[afireinside]

G7 all the way here. I have been for 10 long months with this mouse and no problems so far.

It's wireless... Big problem there.

I'm a pure Logitech man I'll admit, so my opinion may seemed biased but that design is pure friggin failure. The mouse is like a cliff at the end. Wheres the egronomics?

Maybe I'm too used to comfortable mouses. I've gone from MX700 to MX1000 and now my less than a month old MX Revolution.

Obviously doesn't fit your hand or something. I used logitech MX for 3 years and after getting a copperhead last year, I'd NEVER go back to their crap.

Why not get a g5 laser, the max dpi is higher

Yes go tell that to the people who get paychecks for gaming and still use old 400 DPI MS mice.



Not sure how the DeathAdder will feel compared to the copperhead and I'm also a little skeptical of them going from optical to laser to IR so quickly. Why do they keep switching?

[kuhla]

from optical to laser to IR so quickly. Why do they keep switching?

Optical is the same as IR.

[ahmad]

That is one ugly piece of crap I would never dishonour my hardware by allowing it to come with in 12 feet of it.

G7 has looks and is one hell of a mouse for just about anything.

[DeltZ]

IR keeps your hands that extra bit warmer :fact:

Diamondback Plasma i have :banana:

[Anavel0]

I can run my G7 at full DPS (I got used to it too much and lowering it drives me crazy) for 24 hours, then I have to switch the battery. Which is super fun to do in my opinion.

[madcho]

my MX510 is getting to much used. I bought it a year ago.

I want to purchase another one but no one is really for me. This Razer seem a bit more better than the others.

The new G5 loose one key very usefull. Don't want to pay it for loose one key.

Don't like the cordless mouses and keyboards. Dislike mouse without the two key on the right side.

This razer could be a solution for me, the only one other is the MX518.

Don't know for moment when i will bought a new one, i think i prefer finish my MX510 before. :stick:

[Tonton]

#21 I read alot about that mice, and it looks really interesting! But i doubt it will get on sale in my country :eh:

[afireinside]

Optical is the same as IR.

DOH! I'm a bit slow with my mouse technologies then. Still, wonder why they're switching back.

[Revv23]

optical is cheaper and there isnt any real reason besides marketing to have a laser mouse.

personally im still a fan of MS mice, for me they are built better. however since my intellimouse 3.0 died (after 5 years) ive been using an MX518 that is pretty great. i may still go back to the intellimouse 3.0 though, best ouse ever IMO.

and i love the $15 dollar intelimouse 5 button 1.1's. great cheap mice that are super comfy IMO, all of my other non gaming computers use them, and this mx518 is just a wee bit better.

[HungryForHertz]

It's wireless... Big problem there.



Ever tried the G7? I am an avid FPS player and my G7 performs better than any wired mouse I have ever used.

[Praxis1452]

like the design however this or the habu...

The Habu has got 200 more dpi however it doesn't seem like much so what's the better features of the habu? seem to be the same price.

[kuhla]

DOH! I'm a bit slow with my mouse technologies then. Still, wonder why they're switching back.
optical is cheaper and there isnt any real reason besides marketing to have a laser mouse.

Laser was marketed as this big improvement over optical when in reality it didn't deliver on many of it's promises. One of the advantages laser supposedly gives us is higher resolution (higher dpi) but many gamers don't need more than the 1600dpi that the last generation of optical mice offered. The rare few that actually used 2000dpi mice to their fullest were pushing this advancement. Laser was also supposed to track better and on more surfaces than optical. Actual users of the Copperhead and the G5/G7 reported otherwise. In fact some said their laser mice tracked worse on most surfaces than the tried and true optical system.

So in reality, the only real advantage of the laser system versus the optical is in dpi and the actual benefit of that is dubious at best for most users.

I'm happy that Razer decided to move back to optical (and seemingly made some improvements over the last generation of optical sensors?) since it could mean they are looking at what works, what gamers need and no longer just using the latest technology because it sounds good. I am seriously thinking about pre-ordering this mouse to replace my copperhead.

[HiJon89]

Ever tried the G7? I am an avid FPS player and my G7 performs better than any wired mouse I have ever used.
I'm sure that's why 0% of professional gamers use wireless mice. It's impossible for it to perform as well as a wired equivalent, the signal has to pass through the air which adds latency and the required batteries makes it heavier than desired.

This new mouse looks nice, but I'll stick with my Copperhead for now.

[nike]

funky mouse, i love my other razers .. this 1 looks way 2 funky

[AzraelDarkangel]

I'm sure that's why 0% of professional gamers use wireless mice. It's impossible for it to perform as well as a wired equivalent, the signal has to pass through the air which adds latency and the required batteries makes it heavier than desired.

This new mouse looks nice, but I'll stick with my Copperhead for now.

I don't think the issue is latency, I play FPS games all the time with both a wired mouse and a G7 and I don't notice any difference in that respect. The issue is likely twofold for professional gamers. Battery life is short and who would want to have to worry about that in the middle of a seious game? Also there is the possibility of interference, that is the reason I have a wired mouse hooked up as well. When my roomate makes a call on our VoIP phone it plays havoc with my G7 and I have to use the wired mouse. I will likely switch to a high-end wired mouse soon because of this.

[HiJon89]

I don't think the issue is latency, I play FPS games all the time with both a wired mouse and a G7 and I don't notice any difference in that respect. The issue is likely twofold for professional gamers. Battery life is short and who would want to have to worry about that in the middle of a seious game? Also there is the possibility of interference, that is the reason I have a wired mouse hooked up as well. When my roomate makes a call on our VoIP phone it plays havoc with my G7 and I have to use the wired mouse. I will likely switch to a high-end wired mouse soon because of this.
Any time I use a friend's wireless mouse there is a very noticeable lag time between when I move the mouse and when the cursor moves. Maybe it's just because I've been using my Copperhead at 1000Hz for a very long time now, but I could never go wireless.

[HungryForHertz]

I'm sure that's why 0% of professional gamers use wireless mice. It's impossible for it to perform as well as a wired equivalent, the signal has to pass through the air which adds latency and the required batteries makes it heavier than desired.


Oh lol. Are you kidding me? There is no increase in latency, at least none that is noticeable and the weight (for me at least) is perfect.

I move the mouse and the pointer moves exactly when I move.

[afireinside]

Ever tried the G7? I am an avid FPS player and my G7 performs better than any wired mouse I have ever used.

Do you game at a "professional" (money involved) level? Bottom line is wireless DOES lag even if it's a small amount good players can and will notice it.

[HiJon89]

There is no increase in latency, at least none that is noticeable
Well that depends a good bit on your definition of noticeable. If you pub iceworld in CS:Source, then no, it probably won't be noticeable. But if you play seriously, at least seriously enough to have the CPL mouse fix, then wireless probably won't cut it.

[HungryForHertz]

Ok so what mouse do pros use most then? I'll pick one up and see if it improves my game.

[Revv23]

probably the razor...

thing about it though is pro gamers play on lans alot, meaning hardly any ping. thats when a slower mouse might be noticable.

[[XC] leviathan18]

mx1000 g7 mx revo doesnt have lag not like normal wireless mouse go nd try one weight well thats another history yes they are heavy some people hates that other loves it, i didnt like my mx1000 to play cuz the weight but after i got used to it really the mouse is great

the only downside of the g5 is the next button :( but well is the mouse i like...

also the laser tech is supposed to offer better definition of the surface to the camera which means higher dpi and better track, i use 2000dpi when im in bf2 in the tank xD

[oshox]

IR sensor, you say? Sounds cool. Might let it work on a glass surface
But Razer Mice-themed WALLPAPER? Experiencing.. total... gheyness... overload...

I got a G7 refurbished off eBay. I love it, the wrong way. Pry it out of my cold, dead hands, Razer!

[iddqd]

funky mouse, i love my other razers .. this 1 looks way 2 funky
Yeah, they definetly went over the top with this one. I like the minimalist design on the other mice; a simple one shape structure similar to the old school logitech mice (a design that logitech was quick to abandon for some reason).

Actually, I hate my copperhead. Its cold boot issues are extremely annoying, plus the numpad hotkeys not working if i have my notbook numpad switched off.

The diamondback is definitely 200% less retarded.

Edit: new logitech mice are big and ugly. :P

[FischOderAal]

Oh lol. Are you kidding me? There is no increase in latency, at least none that is noticeable and the weight (for me at least) is perfect.

I move the mouse and the pointer moves exactly when I move.

the less the mice weights, the better it getts. in fact, that was the reason why I didn't bought a Logitech and prefered the Razer Copperhead instead. in standard the Razer is lighter and why should I want to adjust the weight of my mouse if I want to have it very light. so this feature of the G5 was useless to me...
so the Razer with it's profiles seemed perfect for me, and I haven't regret my choice yet.
further more Logitech isn't that good as it used to be.
my friend has kinda sweaty hands and he uses a MX500 + Logitech Keyboard. the mouse loosed colour after 1 year and the keyboard... the keys are glossy what makes it look very weird. doesn't affect the functionability though, but if I'd paid 50€ for a keyboard, I want perfect quality...
my 20€ IBM Rapid Access II just looks and feels like the day I bought it (about 4 years ago).

though my Dual Optical still rocks :toast: imho the best mouse ever built :banana:

and M$ Mouse? I tried one once and the keys were very fungous in my opinion what I disliked.

[Kanavit]

the mouse looks incredible! i think i might get the whole setup too. the mouse and perhaps the world's best gaming keyboard ever?
I might go pick one up this weekend at compusa, its $70 usd. the mouse i can pick up later.


http://www.razerzone.com/images/tarantula/Razer-tarantula.jpg

http://www.razerzone.com/Products/Gaming-Keyboard/Razer-Tarantula-Gaming-Keyboard/

[oshox]

Most people I know use the G5 with the weight pack removed. Makes it REALLY light.

[LudLud]

probably the razor...

thing about it though is pro gamers play on lans alot, meaning hardly any ping. thats when a slower mouse might be noticable.

rofl... what are you talking about ? server ping(latency) has nothing to do with your hardware and mouse response latency.... you are totally misinformed. I play games at a competitive level (counter strike 1.6) and i use a razer diamondback. I love it :D my bro had it first and when i tried it i was like "damn im getting one". Back to the topic, the deathadder does look kind of weird...

[afireinside]

Ok so what mouse do pros use most then? I'll pick one up and see if it improves my game.

IME 3.0 and MX518

mx1000 g7 mx revo doesnt have lag not like normal wireless mouse go nd try one

Used them, they lag.

I play games at a competitive level (counter strike 1.6) and i use a razer diamondback.

What leagues are you in? I got my brother a diamondback and it's quite disappointing as far as drivers and build quality goes compared to my copperhead.

he mouse and perhaps the world's best gaming keyboard ever?

Steelkeys 6G is better but costs over 100...

[One_Hertz]

had the mx1000... it blows. Lags like a little :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: and is way too heavy. I had the reciever like 20cm away from the mouse too. If I moved it further away it got noticably worse. Then had the G5, without weights ofcourse. That felt a little too big, was good otherwise. Stopped on the copperhead, works well, although not comfortable at all for normal use. I'll see some reviews for this mouse and perhaps make another change.

[A101Sugar]

weird mouse...

I'm just gonna stick w/ getting a Razer Copperhead :)

[3NZ0]

had the mx1000... it blows. Lags like a little :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: and is way too heavy. I had the reciever like 20cm away from the mouse too. If I moved it further away it got noticably worse.

I had the same experience with mine.

Copperhead, is imo, the best gaming mouse i have ever used, G7 comes in close, the weight of a mouse can really effect how you do in quick thinking gameplay.

Worst mice i have ever tried has to be the bluetooth mx900 and m$ version, didn't think it was possible to make such bad products. :slapass:

[djgandy]

My last mouse was one of these.

http://www.onestopjam.com/images/GENIUS%20PS2%20MOUSE%20OPTICAL.jpg

I now have a copperhead and to be honest there is not a lot of difference considering the price difference.
I found the cheap old £5 genius easier to move and lighter and it was a nicer fit around my hand.
That said it didn't glow blue :cool: :p:

[aMp]

Can anybody tell me where this fits in in their lineup? An 1800DPI infrared sensor seems like a step down from a 2000DPI laser, but I may be missing something.

[3NZ0]

between the db and the ch probably.

[LudLud]

IME 3.0 and MX518

What leagues are you in? I got my brother a diamondback and it's quite disappointing as far as drivers and build quality goes compared to my copperhead.


CAL-MAIN going CEVO-MAIN this season as well

[HiJon89]

What leagues are you in? I got my brother a diamondback and it's quite disappointing as far as drivers and build quality goes compared to my copperhead.
I've owned both and prefer the Copperhead as well. The Diamondback fit my hand much better, but I found the Copperhead to be more accurate.

[Revv23]

rofl... what are you talking about ? server ping(latency) has nothing to do with your hardware and mouse response latency.... you are totally misinformed. I play games at a competitive level (counter strike 1.6) and i use a razer diamondback. I love it :D my bro had it first and when i tried it i was like "damn im getting one". Back to the topic, the deathadder does look kind of weird...


Im saying if you are already lagging 100ms on a server a 3ms lag on a wireless mouse likely isnt going to be noticable because either way you are waiting 100ms before your move actually happens, but with a 5ms ping and 3ms delay on your mouse it could be alot more noticable.

anyways, im just talking about an idea i came up with ive never heard that anywhere and im probably wrong. No need to be so rude about how misinformed i am. anyways no hard feelings. ;)

[[XC] leviathan18]

i bought the tarauntula keyboard lol looks sweet

[crackmann]

looks like another super uncomfortable mouse from razer...

[JoeBar]

Im saying if you are already lagging 100ms on a server a 3ms lag on a wireless mouse likely isnt going to be noticable because either way you are waiting 100ms before your move actually happens, but with a 5ms ping and 3ms delay on your mouse it could be alot more noticable.
U've surely got a point. This mouse latency thing sould be discussed only when game latecnies are lower than 40ms. Otherwise no wired mouse and no dpi resolution will save u from getting fragged... ;)

[A101Sugar]

I can honestly say, some of the new Razer products are getting pretty strange.....


like some of the designs of the mices....

[Praxis1452]

this is wireless? lol don't feel like reading it all again.

[Eastcoasthandle]

I've been using my MX1000 for BF2 for over a year now. I have had NO lag (0). Its very comfortable to hold for normal size hand, has some weight to it and one of few mice that offer 8 buttons. It requires recharging once every 5 to 7 days (depending on use). I sometimes wait until the last green light turns red, even then you still have about 10 minutes of use. It is keep about 3' from the base. Anything less is a waste of my time.

The only flaw I found with this mouse is that the recharger contacts get corroded and require cleaning or else when you put it on the base it will not charge. That's it!

[3NZ0]

Im saying if you are already lagging 100ms on a server a 3ms lag on a wireless mouse likely isnt going to be noticable because either way you are waiting 100ms before your move actually happens, but with a 5ms ping and 3ms delay on your mouse it could be alot more noticable.

anyways, im just talking about an idea i came up with ive never heard that anywhere and im probably wrong. No need to be so rude about how misinformed i am. anyways no hard feelings. ;)

That's why people play proper competitions at LAN's.

[Revv23]

That's why people play proper competitions at LAN's.


I'm not sure here, are you trying to correct me? Because that's exaclty what i said.


thing about it though is pro gamers play on lans alot, meaning hardly any ping. thats when a slower mouse might be noticable.

Maybe i just misinterpreted you. If so forget i said anything. :toast:

[HiJon89]

U've surely got a point. This mouse latency thing sould be discussed only when game latecnies are lower than 40ms. Otherwise no wired mouse and no dpi resolution will save u from getting fragged... ;)
That isn't exactly how it would work. If your mouse lags 10ms and your internet connection lags 10ms, they will compound and you will experience ~20ms of lag. Once you move the mouse, it will take 10ms for the computer to receive that information, and then an additional 10ms for the server to receive that information from the computer so in total you will experience 20ms of lag.

Bottom line, no matter what the situation is, wired mice are preferable to wireless for serious gaming. If you just play casually or just for fun, just use whatever you feel comfortable with, but don't say that wireless is just as good.

[LudLud]

U've surely got a point. This mouse latency thing sould be discussed only when game latecnies are lower than 40ms. Otherwise no wired mouse and no dpi resolution will save u from getting fragged... ;)
well if you play on servers w/ more than 40ms, there's gotta be something wrong with you, actually up to about 60 is playable, but more than that .. its just way too laggy, and if u play in servers where u get 100ms, ... i'm not even gonna go into that

[Revv23]

well if you play on servers w/ more than 40ms, there's gotta be something wrong with you, actually up to about 60 is playable, but more than that .. its just way too laggy, and if u play in servers where u get 100ms, ... i'm not even gonna go into that


hmm well maybe you have some sweet internet connection but if i get below 60ms i have a really good connection, usually i am in 60-90. sometime over 100. Why does it matter in this thread anyways? Some people are stuck with the conection they have, no reason to insult them.

[mr.tie]

http://www.gadgetell.com/images/052006/G3_TOP1.jpg

ergo mice are for pussies..or maybe it's because my original logitech opti(700dpi same body) lasted me for nearly 6 years of constant abuse, I cannot game with a ergo mouse...I am a freak of nature.

[p0tter]

looks too small.

[3NZ0]

I'm not sure here, are you trying to correct me? Because that's exaclty what i said.


I cant seem to find those exact words in your post, i was siding with you to say that mice such as the ch show their true colours in intense lanplay.



ergo mice are for pussies..or maybe it's because my original logitech opti(700dpi same body) lasted me for nearly 6 years of constant abuse, I cannot game with a ergo mouse...I am a freak of nature.

The cheapo ball version of that mouse for some reason is really good, in its g3 variant, its very good as well.

[Revv23]

I cant seem to find those exact words in your post, i was siding with you to say that mice such as the ch show their true colours in intense lanplay.



The cheapo ball version of that mouse for some reason is really good, in its g3 variant, its very good as well.


Ahh ok. :D Sorry i was quite crabby yesterday, was getting snappy on the internet lol. :toast:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1872302&postcount=47

[JoeBar]

That isn't exactly how it would work. If your mouse lags 10ms and your internet connection lags 10ms, they will compound and you will experience ~20ms of lag. Once you move the mouse, it will take 10ms for the computer to receive that information, and then an additional 10ms for the server to receive that information from the computer so in total you will experience 20ms of lag.

Bottom line, no matter what the situation is, wired mice are preferable to wireless for serious gaming. If you just play casually or just for fun, just use whatever you feel comfortable with, but don't say that wireless is just as good.
Is it so hard to understand what i said? Your example just proves my theory. I talked about game latencies under 40msec. So as a difference in response of 10msec is so important. If u play @ 100sec the diffs are leglible.
And btw where did u see me saying that cordless mice is just as good...? :stick:
well if you play on servers w/ more than 40ms, there's gotta be something wrong with you, actually up to about 60 is playable, but more than that .. its just way too laggy, and if u play in servers where u get 100ms, ... i'm not even gonna go into that
Some of us don't leave in US with game servers around the corner and don't have the best connection around cause simply it can't be provided here yet. And btw watch your attitude... :slap:

[Ubermann]

If the route to server is fine then 100ms i just fine to make hs.
If the route is bad then 30ms is likely to be worse then 300ms on a good route.

[roibm]

I have a good old logi mouseman dual optical... but out of boredom and need for extra buttons I ordered yesterday a Habu which... I more or less hope it suxx(not accounting for the software which suxxors anyway at this point). But it it doesn't, I'll keep it.

This mouse I have here is really really good, ok, it could be a bit bigger(I have rather big hands), and it could have a few buttons more, but other than that it's perfect. I tried the razer toys a few times in the stores but it's not something I can ever imagine using... not even for gaming(mainly quake).

PS1: wireless is nothing for me.
PS2: I'm someone who thinks the G80-3000 clicky is the best keyboard there is. it somehow amazes me how razer marchitectured/s this membrane keyboard they sell... but, I must confess I'm looking forward to test it, just to see what the fss is all about.

[kuhla]

PS2: I'm someone who thinks the G80-3000 clicky is the best keyboard there is. it somehow amazes me how razer marchitectured/s this membrane keyboard they sell... but, I must confess I'm looking forward to test it, just to see what the fss is all about.

The Tarantula is not a dome-switch membrane keyboard but a mechanical switch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_technology

[roibm]

The Tarantula is not a dome-switch membrane keyboard but a mechanical switch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_technology
So what is this
Unique membrane keys reduce key latency and maximise response for critical actions during competitive gameplay.
supposed to mean?
Anyway, once I'll test it, I'll be able to tell whether it's membrane, pseudo-mech or full-mech.

BTW, I know what the mechanical switches are, my (http://www.cherry.de/english/products/all_products_business_g80-3000.htm) keyboard contains loads of them ;)

[One_Hertz]

BTW, I know what the mechanical switches are, my (http://www.cherry.de/english/products/all_products_business_g80-3000.htm) keyboard contains loads of them ;)

so does mine
http://www.deckkeyboards.com/techspecs.php

mechanical switches FTW :toast:

[kuhla]

So what is this
....

supposed to mean?


Hmm. I don't know what to make of that quote but here is a quote from Razerguy (Robert “Razerguy” Krakoff, president of Razer):

source - http://blog.razerzone.com/2006/11/08/tarantula-truths-and-lies/#comments

Because of the anti-ghosting feature every key works on an independent mechanical switch.

[roibm]

so does mine
http://www.deckkeyboards.com/techspecs.php

mechanical switches FTW :toast:

Looks amazing! I'm not into keyboard light, but overall I like the legend a lot.
Should they ship to EU I might just get one, see if it really kicks this cherry's a*s, and keep it, or flog it over ebay... With $1.33/eur there's virtually nothing to lose :D

[roibm]

Hmmm, looks like the Deck keyboards use the tech from this G80-3000 of mine. They made a very wise choice in doing so.

Deck use a Cherry MX linear action key switch under keycap
From here (http://www.deckkeyboards.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1142)
Oh, too bad... Nothing for me, really. I have the same keyboard(G80-3000) with linear action, catching dust somewhere. I hate it. No click no gain :)

[jimwah]

nice design but my mx 510 is doing better then ever and it'll do for now.

:hehe: 510 forever! The "Deathadder" is a bit over the top for the name of a mouse if you ask me, otherwise it looks quite nifty. It's not a 510 tho' :)

[XSAlliN]

Nothing beats a good old ball mouse - who needs optic, laser, plasma or ion mouse? ;)

[JoeBar]

Nothing beats a good old ball mouse
Oh yes. Dust beats it... :p:

[roibm]

Oh yes. Dust beats it... :p:
right on target...
although, I used to have an a4tech that was very good for quaking, one with a thumb button. it lasted me for 4 years(it's still good), retired it because of the dual optical from logi.

[Kanavit]

i bought the tarauntula keyboard lol looks sweet
just bought one today, i must say wow. Razor is coming and a force to be reckon with. I bought the tarauntula keyboard and razor diamondback 1600 dpi laser mouse, and i must say this is quite possibly the best combo i've ever owned. the setup looks gorgeous now, and feel is perfect match with my case. The mouse acceleration is unbelievable, the arrow moves faster than my eye can keep up, and doom3 runs incredibly smoother now.

i totally recommend this to anyone. paid $170 for the complete set btw, and i am totally satisfied. :toast:

[iddqd]

just bought one today, i must say wow. Razor is coming and a force to be reckon with. I bought the tarauntula keyboard and razor diamondback 1600 dpi laser mouse, and i must say this is quite possibly the best combo i've ever owned. the setup looks gorgeous now, and feel is perfect match with my case. The mouse acceleration is unbelievable, the arrow moves faster than my eye can keep up, and doom3 runs incredibly smoother now.

i totally recommend this to anyone. paid $170 for the complete set btw, and i am totally satisfied. :toast:

I actually used to like the IBM Model M bucking-spring keyboard, it's even better IMO than mechanical switch keyboards. The collapsing dome outlined in the wikipedia article just suck... I've owned several and they were all pretty bad.

After using a laptop for a while, however, one comes to appreciate laptop keyboards. They feel sort of similar to the giant bucking-spring keyboard (the rubber spike collapses to register a keystroke - just like the spring collapses to register a keystroke in the IBM keyboard). It's similar, but different at the same time.

I can't go back to normal keyboards now; they feel... weird. So I'm stuck to using keyboards with laptop keys for desktops.... which isn't bad, since Logitech happens to make a pretty good one for only $20. Win!

Oh and the Diamondback is a great mouse :)

Edit: the reason why ball mice were considered to be superior to early optical mice is very simple - precision.

An el-cheapo optical mouse is anywhere from 300 to 400 dpi. Most early optical mice had 400 dpi precision.

A typical ball mouse has 700-900 dpi - this is easily twice what optical mice had to offer. There were of course, less precise ball mice, but those were mostly the odler ones, and the technology was very mature when optical mice first appeared. On the opposite end of the spectrum, ball mice can be made very precise too. In fact, Karna was making a 2000 dpi ball mouse back in 2000, it was called Razer Boomslang.