When test SPI,I965 VS N680i @ASUS platform,who is winner?

[coolaler]

When test SPI,I965 VS N680i @ASUS platform,who is winner?
platform1

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/680ISLI_29.JPG

M/B ：ASUS Striker Extreme N680i SLI
MEM ：G.SKILL 2GBZX Dual Channel
HDD ：Seagate 250g SATAII 16Mb Cache
VGA CARD ：8800GTX (old Version)
POWER: Zippy 850WG1
OS ：WIN Sever 2003
CPU COOLER：Tower 120
CPU ：Intel Core 2 Quad QX6700 S7 ES 8mb cache
platform2

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/I965.JPG

M/B ：ASUS p5B Deluxe Wi-Fi
MEM ：G.SKILL 2GBZX Dual Channel
HDD ：Seagate 250g SATAII 16Mb Cache
VGA CARD ：8800GTX (old Version)
POWER: Zippy 850WG1
OS ：WIN Sever 2003
CPU COOLER：Tower 120
CPU ：Intel Core 2 Quad QX6700 S7 ES 8mb cache

N680I
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi1M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/6.gif

I965P
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi1M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_1.gif

N680I
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi32M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/8.gif

I965P
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi32M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_2.gif

RESULT:
if u don't play SLI,I965P is better for u:D

[Knight]

Nice results coolaler. :toast: Do you plan to test a 975 board?

[dogsx2]

Great info as always. Thanks:toast:

[xpsentity]

Been waiting for a comparison like this, very nice. The 680 is not far behind though, for sure.

Any plan for 975 comparison?

[coolaler]

Been waiting for a comparison like this, very nice. The 680 is not far behind though, for sure.

Any plan for 975 comparison?
soon:toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Thanks for a quick comparison, coolaler :up:

I have a small request, though... We know, that 680i mainboards take advantage of separate PLLs for FSB and RAM, allowing for memory being overclocked independently from FSB - you can choose to go with either ratios (linked mode) or straight key-in of desired memory clocks. Can you show us, how big of an advantage that gives to 680i? For instance, 333x11 but RAM @ DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0, if your memory will allow for it?
I would really appreciate this type of comparison :toast:

[coolaler]

Thanks for a quick comparison, coolaler :up:

I have a small request, though... We know, that 680i mainboards take advantage of separate PLLs for FSB and RAM, allowing for memory being overclocked independently from FSB - you can choose to go with either ratios (linked mode) or straight key-in of desired memory clocks. Can you show us, how big of an advantage that gives to 680i? For instance, 333x11 but RAM @ DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0, if your memory will allow for it?
I would really appreciate this type of comparison :toast:
i am sorry my moudle can't run @ DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0 stable,if i got some,i will test;)

[Trice]

Why is one 13m 49 sec while the other is 22 sec??

[dinos22]

Why is one 13m 49 sec while the other is 22 sec??
because one is quicker than the other..............................at least in this brief test

very interesting:toast:

[Makubex_GB]

i am sorry my moudle can't run @ DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0 stable,if i got some,i will test;)
That was just an example Coolaler. What bachus_anonym (and me too :D ) would like to know is how much of an advantage it is for the 680i chipset to have separate PLLs for RAM and FSB, compared to Intel's chipsets which don't?

PS. Nice comparison. Can't wait for 680i vs 975x. :cheer:

[Trice]

because one is quicker than the other..............................at least in this brief test

very interesting:toast:


By almost 2x as much? That cant be correct. I mean look at the numbers, its like 15, then 30, then 17, then 35.....etc. Why does it do that?

[ted3]

This is kindof what i would expect after reading Xbitlabs test of 680i yesterday. 975X is still best unless you REALLY need SLI. When looking at those 8800GTX benchmarks one have to wonder how important multi GPU is going to be with Vista and DX10.

Spi 8M 975X vs 680i vs P965 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/nforce-680i-sli_10.html)

[dinos22]

By almost 2x as much? That cant be correct. I mean look at the numbers, its like 15, then 30, then 17, then 35.....etc. Why does it do that?
i'm sorry you've lost me there

can you elaborate a bit more

[Lestat]

:poke: look at the pictures please.

the top two are 1m Pi

the bottom is 32m Pi @ 965P
coolaler will post a 32m 680i shot when he has it finished i suppose.

[Trice]

Yeah its confusing.

Check out this pic

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_2.gif

Notice that the pi scores go up and down? Why does it do that?

[coolaler]

Yeah its confusing.

Check out this pic

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_2.gif

Notice that the pi scores go up and down? Why does it do that?
SO?:)

[bachus_anonym]

i am sorry my moudle can't run @ DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0 stable,if i got some,i will test;)Oh, alright then :) Thanks for your time anyway...Yeah its confusing. Check out this pic

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_2.gif

Notice that the pi scores go up and down? Why does it do that?Just as everyone else here, I also have no idea what you're talking about :confused: All looks just fine, as it supposed to...

[Trice]

Oh, alright then :) Thanks for your time anyway...Just as everyone else here, I also have no idea what you're talking about :confused: All looks just fine, as it supposed to...

Im obviously missing something, I just dont know why it jumps like that.

Ok hopefully this will show you what Im asking.

http://www.dmp-racing.com/king/pi.gif

See how theres a difference in those numbers? Why does it do that?

[coolaler]

Oh, alright then :) Thanks for your time anyway...Just as everyone else here, I also have no idea what you're talking about :confused: All looks just fine, as it supposed to...
U r welcome!
Altought we can choose the frequency of fsb and memory independently, stability is not enough.
at this moment, the compatibility of this board isnt good enough.

[Terminal 8]

Im obviously missing something, I just dont know why it jumps like that.

Ok hopefully this will show you what Im asking.

http://www.dmp-racing.com/king/pi.gif

See how theres a difference in those numbers? Why does it do that?

Its 32m PI, look at the minute column......

:slap:

[Trice]

There we go, makes more sense to me now. Thanks!

[zert]

great find, as usual
thanks coolaler!

[exhausted mule]

27's... thats not what i was expecting as a nb only effect.



nvidia must have some serious latencies to have to be able to run sli on that nb. the allocation of data from either card the nb having to work harder i guess would be that factor.. but

wow.

i'm surprised.

[dinos22]

There we go, makes more sense to me now. Thanks!
lol you freaked me out there for a second hehehehe

[gundamit]

Oh, alright then :) Thanks for your time anyway...Can you FedEx a pair to him ASAP? ;) DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4.0 not very common but if there's a guy who might have an extra pair kicking around it would be you.

As it stand right now, all clocks and timings the same, 975>965>680i in 32M. But when the general fsb overclock shakes out the I'm sure the order will be reversed. In a month how many guys will be running 500fsb 1:1 on 680i verses the 965 crowd? :confused:

Edit: Just realized B_A may have benn referring to the Corsair PC2-8888 V1.1 2GB Dual channel kit Coolaler was testing elsewhere.

[Holmer]

I really appreciate your tests Coolaler but is it not a drastic conclution to say that Intels 965 chipset is better than NVIDIAs 680i based on some SPi tests (even if you only consider single graphics). I am not "playing" SPi when gaming so is that relly your bottom line impression from an overall point of view when judging the 680i vs 965/975 chipsets. You mention the 680i is immature with respect to unlinked fsb and mem (which might be expected), is it otherwise a solid chipset or is it your general impression that the 680i is flacky when overclocking?

[Big SturL]

I'm sure this is due to the fact that the P5B has got a several BIOS-revisions, that have removed virtually all the bugs, and makes it perform on it's max. The 680 will prolly catch up to it shortly.

[Konflikt]

What's a max fsb, that you can set, and the winxp is bootable?

[tam2]

I really appreciate your tests Coolaler but is it not a drastic conclution to say that Intels 965 chipset is better than NVIDIAs 680i based on some SPi tests (even if you only consider single graphics). I am not "playing" SPi when gaming so is that relly your bottom line impression from an overall point of view when judging the 680i vs 965/975 chipsets. You mention the 680i is immature with respect to unlinked fsb and mem (which might be expected), is it otherwise a solid chipset or is it your general impression that the 680i is flacky when overclocking?

-I dont think he's saying anything, he was just showing his SPI results
-Immature regarding its new chipset and that happens with new mobos
-Besides he's the one that doing the test, not us
-waiting 4 more results coolaler...

-tam2-

[^don.k's^]

What i wanted to see sometime ago. I wont change my 975x board then. I guess we'll have to wait for 985x ( or whatever they call it, bearlake i mean ) for better chipsets ( i have no faith on RD600 seeing this 680i :( )

Regards! :toast:

[3oh6]

I really appreciate your tests Coolaler but is it not a drastic conclution to say that Intels 965 chipset is better than NVIDIAs 680i based on some SPi tests (even if you only consider single graphics). I am not "playing" SPi when gaming so is that relly your bottom line impression from an overall point of view when judging the 680i vs 965/975 chipsets. You mention the 680i is immature with respect to unlinked fsb and mem (which might be expected), is it otherwise a solid chipset or is it your general impression that the 680i is flacky when overclocking?
you are trying to read waaaaay too much into the results and putting words in his mouth.

Coolaler simply showed that with these preliminary tests, 965 is faster than 680i in SPi 1M and 32M on 2k3 at the frequencies and timings he showed...thats it thats all. nothing more nothing less.

the fact that you think he said "that Intels 965 chipset is better than NVIDIAs 680i based on some SPi tests..." is you taking his words out of context.

he posted SPi results and said 965 is better than 680i...put it into context and don't let your self think its more than its not...end of story.

-tam2- said it best..."he was just showing his SPI results"

BTW, thanx for the quick comparo Coolaler...interesting indeed.

[steve4king]

the 680i is immature with respect to unlinked fsb and mem (which might be expected)

An asynchronous fsb is favorable for overclocking though isnt it??

[Trice]

Not really, you want 1:1, but with intel you always have a CPU (ok most of the time) that goes faster than the RAM.

Asynchronous is more a necessary evil I guess.

[Holmer]

you are trying to read waaaaay too much into the results and putting words in his mouth.

Coolaler simply showed that with these preliminary tests, 965 is faster than 680i in SPi 1M and 32M on 2k3 at the frequencies and timings he showed...thats it thats all. nothing more nothing less.

the fact that you think he said "that Intels 965 chipset is better than NVIDIAs 680i based on some SPi tests..." is you taking his words out of context.

he posted SPi results and said 965 is better than 680i...put it into context and don't let your self think its more than its not...end of story.

-tam2- said it best..."he was just showing his SPI results"

BTW, thanx for the quick comparo Coolaler...interesting indeed.

I see your point (at least from the way you understand it :) My point was actually that we should not put too much emphasis on these results and not just judge the 680i chipset based on this. That was what I was trying to ask him to clarify. However, It is a very interesting comparison. So bottom line we agree.

[3oh6]

I see your point.
no you don't.

My point was actually that we should not put too much emphasis on these results and not just judge the 680i chipset based on this.
thanx for clearing that up :rolleyes:

no one is making an overall judgement on the chipset based on SPi results, we are making a SPi performance judgement based on SPi results. wrap your head aorund it. for some of us that bench SPi, this IS all that matters.

[Shpoon]

I wish I was coolaler...does he get all these sent for free? Or just really cheap?

[Quentin]

Good work, i hope i975x result's will arrived soon :D

[HugeXL]

Now max out the FSB and show us FSB500 benches ;)
But I don't think that the 680SLI is going to crack the 500FSB :rolleyes:

[MrDeeds]

Now max out the FSB and show us FSB500 benches ;)
But I don't think that the 680SLI is going to crack the 500FSB :rolleyes:

Fugger already cracked 500fsb on 680i :slap:

[coolaler]

975
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi1M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/975_1.gif

I965P
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi1M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/ES680i_I965_1.gif

N680I
3.66Ghz@DDRII 1120 4-4-3-4 spi1M

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/ES680i/6.gif

[camouflage]

:D Nice work - exactly what I expected. So still staying with 975 board till RD600 release........, will be top of the top hopefully.........;)

:toast:

[Dani]

975 for AIR/maybe water SuperPI (490FSB), 965 for water/DI/LN2 SuperPI (+500FSB) and 680i for SLI 3D :)

[mykeos]

yes,Dani's right.Let's say one has a x6800 and a SS cooling and RAM overclocked to 550mhz.Of course,the 975 chipset
won't allow that high fsb and it also has problems with ram dividers.Although 975 chipset appears to be 0.23% faster in coolaler's test,the 965 would make the whole system quite alot faster because of the higher overclockability.(if you have an expensive ram you may want stretch it to the max.).That is if you aircool the NB,otherwise the 975 is still the king (ie on a DICE -cooled NB,hehe)

[Dani]

965 @ 1066 strap +500FSB 1:1 is fast as heck ;)

[Quentin]

and 32M ? :banana:

[Chicco85]

Nice and useful comparative coolaler. I'll wait the 32 M with i975x board. ;)

Have you plan to do some tests at higher fsb? (over 400 MHz)

[steve4king]

With the same settings, the results are fairly close.

I would be interested to see how they differ in terms of: overclockability, stability, memory support(with all four filled), and component temps(nbridge, voltage regs etc.) while OC'd.

[[LCN]Knowledge]

Nice comparison Coolaler, thanks for sharing!

[zhangmaster12]

which mobo is better at overclockin, stryker or p5b deluxe?

help would be appreciated

[Revv23]

Hey coolaler, once again thanks for your testing. I know it's alot of work but if you have time you should check some different fsb's and play with timings a bit. unless you already have of course. ;)

Also, i would love to see a 3d comparison if you get the chance.

:toast:

[lopri]

@3.60GHz with DDR2-800/3-3-3, 32M barely makes it into 15mins. 975X gets me 13 mins 40 secs. Think that's bad? Think again. :) Dual 32M takes nearly 20 mins!! (vs under 16 mins with 975X) Now, 1T improves the results somewhat but it's still not enough and more than anything I can only run up to 8M with 1T. I think it's either the ammount of RAM used or the number instances affect memory management in current BIOS. But not sure.

Funny thing is in every other test it either equals or beats 975X. Everest (except latency), PCMark, Sciencemark, and so on. I'm liking this board overall and replacing my P5W-DH with it. SP results are horrendous but like someone said I don't *play* SP and I'm sure there will be BIOS update in near future.

[camouflage]

975 for AIR/maybe water SuperPI (490FSB), 965 for water/DI/LN2 SuperPI (+500FSB) and 680i for SLI 3D :)

:D Yes true. But no cash for 3 rigs..........:stick: :(

You forgot to mention RD600 - not released yet but chances are hi it will do better than 975 in SuperPi & better than 965 in hi FSB...........:p:

I can't await to see how the undependent mem frequency works. This must be a grand slam - no need for dividers and multi is only required for the FSB setting.

:toast:

[coolaler]

winrar3.61 with 3.6G@P965
342mbs compresses 1m44s

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/conroe/C2DVSC2Q/RAR2.gif

Winrar3.61 with 3.68G@680i
342mbs compresses 2m03s

http://www.iamxtreme.net/coolaler/conroe/C2DVSC2Q/680i_winrar.gif

Although the kentsfield clock pulse of the very obvious N680 is is higher but compress completion time longer

[lopri]

Bandwidth: 680i > P965/975X (except Super PI) :D
Latency: 975X/P965 < 680i

[Millyons]

coolaler, any chance you could test some Tmpgenc Xpress encoding, it would be interesting to see the difference in that


thanks