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cambrian
11-10-2006, 12:11 PM
My results for the eVGA are back. Rather disappointing.
FSB tops at 449. I mean literally 449. A hair higher than that will not post. I know this system including this CPU can do 485 on my previous P5B deluxe. Wondering if I should return this board or not.

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/cambrian/680i.JPG

buckshot
11-10-2006, 12:18 PM
There seems to be a bug when setting a certain FSB causing the system not to post. What you can do is trying going a little higher in increments of 5. I seem to be stuck at the same spot you are at. I can't wait to go home to do some more testing. I have a 850 watt zippy, EVGA 680i and 6600 B stepping that needs some attention :p:

See this link to see what I'm talking about.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=14

Levish
11-10-2006, 12:32 PM
will it do over 3200mhz with the 8x multi?

Bootsy
11-10-2006, 12:50 PM
cambrian can you run orthos blend at 449?

cambrian
11-10-2006, 12:50 PM
1) tried it at 8x multi --> same results, craps out at 450 FSB

2) tried the suggestions provided by the link --> does not work; even at multiple FSB: 1825, 1855, 1875, etc; I tried it in linked/unlinked modes, both produce same results

3) I noticed that I can orthos large FFT's for 10+ hours at 400x8 at 2T timings but at 1T orthos failed in 2 minutes. My RAM is really good and can go up as high as 980 mhz.

4) Yes I can run orthos (large FFT's) for 5+ minutes under 449 FSB without failing; I can also run 400 FSB 10+ hrs large FFT's without failing as mentioned in #3.

xgman
11-10-2006, 12:57 PM
They have an updated bios that helps here but they won't let it out yet. :(

ryaan
11-10-2006, 01:03 PM
dont rma the board.. keep it, bios updates will fix some stuff and if maybe u can go sli now too ;)

Kunaak
11-10-2006, 01:06 PM
450 from a board thats basically as tight in latency as the 975 boards, is actually pretty good.

you can go back to the P5B, but you sacrifice alot of latency for a higher OC.

compare your super PI times to your 965 board, and you will see what I mean....

cambrian
11-10-2006, 01:16 PM
They have an updated bios that helps here but they won't let it out yet. :(

dude, hook it up! :D

MrDeeds
11-10-2006, 01:24 PM
450 from a board thats basically as tight in latency as the 975 boards, is actually pretty good.

you can go back to the P5B, but you sacrifice alot of latency for a higher OC.

compare your super PI times to your 965 board, and you will see what I mean....

I agree with Kunaak, i'd keep the board for at least another week to see if there are any gains from a bios update or until the people having better luck with the board post their settings.

SKiLL3D
11-10-2006, 01:30 PM
I agree with Kunaak, i'd keep the board for at least another week to see if there are any gains from a bios update or until the people having better luck with the board post their settings.

Dito - a list on the 1st Post with the various Results would nice,too.

iLL

xgman
11-10-2006, 01:32 PM
dude, hook it up! :D

I'll get there, but between the bios/mem issues and the capacitors in the way of the backplate, I am not as much in a hurry as I was earlier today. I wish someone wiould share that darn P20 beta bios that Hardocp and VRzone were given. I never had this much trouble getting a beta bios from Asus.

Someone from EVGA says maybe the updated bios next wed. Seems like along time . . ;)

cambrian
11-10-2006, 01:36 PM
yeah the capacitors right where the back plate would be is really annoying and stupid. I had to add extra padding to tuniq tower back plate so it would it won't crush those damn capacitors. If you look at the Asus board, it does not have that problem...Very well thought out on Asus' part I think

And the bios problem is going to be a hassle in the future. Asus has been really good with releasing bioses. eVGA remains to be seen but so far not impressed.

slykid
11-10-2006, 01:41 PM
man and i nearly bought that mobo.....gotta wait till next week and see what happens before i buy any mobo

Trice
11-10-2006, 01:50 PM
The whole releasing of a BIOS is what held me off getting an eVGA. I dont trust em yet.

LexDiamonds
11-10-2006, 02:17 PM
I ordered one.... I watercool so the capacitors on the back wont be an issue for me. As far as BIOSes are concerned, there should be a flood of solid BIOS releases for the reference board because several partners are essentially releasing the same board. The only thing that would be different is the hex code that identifies the company name.

jplikesnos
11-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Any one know anything about the beta bios from nvidia thats newer than the one from evga? Its meant to fix FSB problems.

gmod
11-10-2006, 03:01 PM
Well Iam waiting for my vendor to get these in..Cant wait to come off the MSI 975x board..392fsb max..So the 449fsb will be really nice for me..Plus being able to run any Nvidia Drivers I want to..(SLI)

HA just got a call my vendor has them 219.00 shipped EVGA..Should have it Tuesday..

slykid
11-10-2006, 03:17 PM
Well Iam waiting for my vendor to get these in..Cant wait to come off the MSI 975x board..392fsb max..So the 449fsb will be really nice for me..Plus being able to run any Nvidia Drivers I want to..(SLI)

HA just got a call my vendor has them 219.00 shipped EVGA..Should have it Tuesday..

why are you getting it that cheap?

bingo13
11-10-2006, 03:25 PM
why are you getting it that cheap?

Because MSRP on the board is $229. Anything over that and you have experienced early adopter pricing syndrome.

GAR
11-10-2006, 10:13 PM
i couldnt get 450x8 to post.....im at 400x9.........my superpi times are slower than my p5b deluxe tho........with ddr1067 i get more bandwidth with my 680i but with ddr1000 and less bandwidth my p5b did super pi in 13.987 this one does 14.124.........wierd.............................. ...if posible could u guys include a picture or a discription of your bios settings thanks.

JoeBar
11-11-2006, 01:38 PM
Coolaler also showed that P5B is better performing than 680i in spi.

doompc
11-11-2006, 04:47 PM
Muste be a FSB "hole":
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIwOSw4LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Try 1845MHz FSB (461).

mercyless
11-11-2006, 04:58 PM
max fsb 466 x 7, no pic were done as i thought i'll go more > 470.
max 461 x 8.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1236/680imobo461fsb3687mhzny7.th.jpg (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=680imobo461fsb3687mhzny7.jpg)

trans am
11-11-2006, 05:50 PM
evga motherboard don't expect a lot.

sorry that was mean. :)

GAR
11-11-2006, 06:16 PM
There is a new bios coming out in the next week, the P20 bios or P21......should fix the fsb problems and help OC.....also eVGA does not make this board, this is a referece design by nvidia made by FOXCON.

TyCanadian
11-12-2006, 04:06 AM
Hey guys,

I have a QX6700 with the new eVGA 680i board but just got it up and running so haven't done much testing yet. I'm running air cooling (TT Big Typhoon) but would like to keep up with this thread for advice on voltages/FSB/multiplier settings as I'm not as experienced as most people are here. Interestingly, I tried setting the FSB to 1333 (333) and the multiplier to 8 (adds up to stock speed of 2.66 GHz) and Windows would not load without crashing. This worries me since people are posting ~450 FSB's.

Is there anything obvious that could be wrong here? I am using default voltages. I have an Enermax 620W (650W? I don't remember exactly...) power supply so I don't think power quality is a problem.

Keep posting your results here, I'm curious to see how everybody does and how much the new BIOS will help.

FUGGER
11-12-2006, 04:18 AM
A few problems to note.

On some boards when overclocked the PS2 mouse port gets erratic, switch to USB to resolve.

Some people have had a problem opening control panels, hard crashing results. I have not seen this problem

If you use headphones with mic it will playback game audio through the mic. This will hold open audio channel in apps like teamspeak and ventrilo. I have seen this problem, use press key to speak to resolve for now.

Desparity with 32M pi, over 10 minutes too long when four threads are run.

dinos22
11-12-2006, 04:30 AM
450 from a board thats basically as tight in latency as the 975 boards, is actually pretty good.

you can go back to the P5B, but you sacrifice alot of latency for a higher OC.

compare your super PI times to your 965 board, and you will see what I mean....
hang on a sec

have you got results to confirm

the only results i've seen so far from coolaler's brief test indicate that the latency is looser on the 680i with slower 32M times by some 20 seconds or so

erwinz
11-12-2006, 06:37 AM
mm.. bios problem.. mm.. yep probable.. its just have been launch.. :D

argonmtt
11-12-2006, 08:33 AM
hang on a sec

have you got results to confirm

the only results i've seen so far from coolaler's brief test indicate that the latency is looser on the 680i with slower 32M times by some 20 seconds or so

Coolaler only test for the quocore.. can someone comfirm it is the case for Conroe chip too :(

palese
11-12-2006, 10:34 AM
With my 680i, cpu-z no longer reads memory and timings just SPD, is this because cpu-z does not yet support 680i chip set? :confused:

Thanks.

Speederlander
11-12-2006, 10:49 AM
Thank God I finally waited to buy this time around.

LarsK
11-12-2006, 10:54 AM
Thank God I finally waited to buy this time around.

I know, me too. I cannot count the times I've been paying big $$$ to be a "beta-hardware-tester" over the past 10-12 years. I'm just going to sit on my wallet for a while this time around.

I do really hope they get whatever needs to be sorted.... well sorted.

menlatin
11-12-2006, 11:04 AM
evga motherboard don't expect a lot.

sorry that was mean. :)

Not too mean. You ever had a n Nf41 s939 board? Improved BIOSes promised for months... and then they just stopped caring and gave us nothing. never did solve the 2t timing or the horrible memory compatibility issues. Hope it doesn't happen to this board too.

Ad1tya
11-12-2006, 11:13 AM
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=11


Shows the 680i as faster opposed to the P5W-DH..

Phil The Greek
11-12-2006, 11:34 AM
So far playing with 680i,I haven't managed a good pi time compared with 975x I had.The problem is that it can't run stable my memory on 1T from 730Mhz and up.With 2T I can go up to 1100Mhz+ on 4-4-4 but the resaults are also crap(about 1min slower 32M spi than 975x @3600Mhz).I also haven't managed a better than 440fsb with 8 or lower multi.I will also try soon with 9 multi when I install watercooling or my phase.I also have the problem that FUGGER says"when overclocked the PS2 mouse port gets erratic".

Ibinco
11-12-2006, 12:11 PM
:cool: :cool: why is it that most reviewers for the 680i chipset only has reviewed the board with a kentsfield. Only independant peepz who went out bought the board retail report 400FSB max on the 680i. Im starting to get paranoid, whats the point of those boards all being reviewed with quad chips if the masses only have Core 2 duo's 6300 6400 6600 X6800.

xgman
11-12-2006, 12:23 PM
With my 680i, cpu-z no longer reads memory and timings just SPD, is this because cpu-z does not yet support 680i chip set? :confused:

Thanks.

same here. Not much other than ntune supports right now.

xgman
11-12-2006, 12:33 PM
What is certain is the 680i has a great deal of bios entries to experiment with. It's quite different than the Asus 775x boards. I have mine set at the scree shot belkow for right now with a 6800 cpu in sync mode. I am running 4-3-4 mem timings but at 2T. I don't think 1T ram will clock as high as most of us are going to want to go. I haven't experimentd much with 9x over 450 yet. I really don't like raising mem timings much higher than they already are. I'm sure that will limit me . CPU's lower rated than 6800 should be able to get higher mem speeds as it already is with other boards. I think this board has a great deal of potential and asside from the caps sticking up behind the socket, making it a bit dicey to put backplates on, it is pretty solid. I have tried the nvidia reference beta bios (sorry, not allowed to share this bios. nda) and quite frankly I am not sure what it but everything seems very stable. At least 32M stable for now. One more thing, the board thankfully doesn't re-set after a restart like the asus did so it makes working with vapochill control much easier. (try installing Vista with a vapo and a 775x asus. what a pain sitting there at every restart)

If anyone finds a mem tweaker or any other updated utility that works on the 680i, please let us know. Only ntune seems to work right now, and not even that works correctly.

palese
11-12-2006, 12:34 PM
same here. Not much other than ntune supports right now.

Thanks xgman:)

xgman
11-12-2006, 12:44 PM
another thing, you see the core voltage set at 1.375 in the pic above, well the board undervolts so it reads really 1.58-9 in the bios and other read programs.

TyCanadian
11-12-2006, 01:33 PM
Hmmmm...

I can get my QX6700 CPU up to 3.3 GHz no problem by raising the multiplier, but no matter what multiplier I use, my eVGA 680i refuses to boot windows even at 1333MHz (which it is supposed to do out of the box, "non-overclocked"). I am using Mushkin XP2-5300 Xtreme Performance Black Series RAM (2x1GB) but it's unlinked from the FSB. It's running at DDR2-700MHz at 3-3-3-10-1 at 2.2V. These settings worked perfectly on my old ASUS P5WD2E-Premium board, so I doubt this would be the problem unless there is some strange compatibility issue.

Any thoughts on why I can't even get spec FSB?

xgman
11-12-2006, 01:48 PM
ok, here is the deal. It will only go as high as 468-470 tops with my X6800 being the probable bottleneck from there. Even at 5-6-6 no difference. It runs fine at 4-3-4 at 468x9, so I'll leave it at 452x10 and be happy.

xgman
11-12-2006, 01:49 PM
Hmmmm...

I can get my QX6700 CPU up to 3.3 GHz no problem by raising the multiplier, but no matter what multiplier I use, my eVGA 680i refuses to boot windows even at 1333MHz (which it is supposed to do out of the box, "non-overclocked"). I am using Mushkin XP2-5300 Xtreme Performance Black Series RAM (2x1GB) but it's unlinked from the FSB. It's running at DDR2-700MHz at 3-3-3-10-1 at 2.2V. These settings worked perfectly on my old ASUS P5WD2E-Premium board, so I doubt this would be the problem unless there is some strange compatibility issue.

Any thoughts on why I can't even get spec FSB?


It's generally going to be some combination of settings that does the trick. The options in the 680i bios are far more variable than on the 775x chipset it seems. A new bios should be out by wed I hear that may help you in any case. Try 4-4-4.

_Eduard_
11-12-2006, 01:50 PM
it's been a while since nvidia made a good intel chipset, thats why probably

TyCanadian
11-12-2006, 02:09 PM
Thanks for the suggestions xgman. I have tried my RAM at one of its SPD modes (666 at 5-5-5-15) and the results do not change at all. It's frustrating seeing people getting close to 450 at Auto voltage settings and I can't even get 333. Hopefully something will identify itself as the problem, or hopefully the new BIOS will fix it.

mdzcpa
11-12-2006, 04:10 PM
I'll chime in here. I just got my egva 680i up and running along with a pair of 8800GTS cards in SLI. Updating the platform and vid card drivers from the box versions smoothed everything out. No specific results yet, but I like this board alot. Very easy to OC and many settings to try. First impressions are good.

xgman
11-12-2006, 04:49 PM
Thanks for the suggestions xgman. I have tried my RAM at one of its SPD modes (666 at 5-5-5-15) and the results do not change at all. It's frustrating seeing people getting close to 450 at Auto voltage settings and I can't even get 333. Hopefully something will identify itself as the problem, or hopefully the new BIOS will fix it.


Up the voltage on the cpu. The board undervolts considerably. Use sync mode until you get the new bios and try skiping ahead much hier. The curremt release bios has some gaps in where you think it topos out and then it picks back up higher ok. Try one setting at a time till you figure it out.

Lestat
11-12-2006, 05:43 PM
you have the board undervolts several times please explain.

and does it only happen at higher voltages. ?

is 1.5v in the bios 1.45v via windows ? and have you checked with a DMM on the baord itself.?

Revv23
11-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Hmmmm...

I can get my QX6700 CPU up to 3.3 GHz no problem by raising the multiplier, but no matter what multiplier I use, my eVGA 680i refuses to boot windows even at 1333MHz (which it is supposed to do out of the box, "non-overclocked"). I am using Mushkin XP2-5300 Xtreme Performance Black Series RAM (2x1GB) but it's unlinked from the FSB. It's running at DDR2-700MHz at 3-3-3-10-1 at 2.2V. These settings worked perfectly on my old ASUS P5WD2E-Premium board, so I doubt this would be the problem unless there is some strange compatibility issue.

Any thoughts on why I can't even get spec FSB?


You cant simply set what you had in a completly different platform and expect things to be fine. Re overclock everything and see what works and what doesnt.

Remember you are ona comletly different memory controller, meaning different things will be the keys to high stable clocks.

xgman
11-12-2006, 06:14 PM
you have the board undervolts several times please explain.

and does it only happen at higher voltages. ?

is 1.5v in the bios 1.45v via windows ? and have you checked with a DMM on the baord itself.?


no I haven't confirmed with a meter, but based upon stability tests to some extent I think the bios read is probably close. I set vcore to 1.6375 in bios and in bios it reads actual 1.58- 1.59v. Based on thw last MB I had the 6800 in. the ws-pro, the stable vcore seems to be more in line with the actual bios reads on both. The ws-pro over volted. I haven't found a "reliable" way to read the actual vcore in windows yet. (certainly not with ntune)

Revv23
11-12-2006, 08:09 PM
there is no way to know in windows, you have to use DMM...

zhangmaster12
11-12-2006, 08:55 PM
overall at just overclockin, which is better, p5b or evga/stryker 680i?

argonmtt
11-12-2006, 09:42 PM
are those MB that sent to reviewers for review belong to "ES" -- handpick sample so should perform well than retail? :p: this remind me of wat happened to Abit Mb :(

lopri
11-12-2006, 10:03 PM
My max 1T stable memory frequency is 770MHz. :(

Haltech
11-12-2006, 10:06 PM
Well aside from Asus and DFI, dunno about Abit.. since the avail 680i boards are reference boards, im sure some new bios's will be out by the end of the week to bring the clocks up. I dont think Nvidia wants their best Intel chipset looking like crap, especially since the G80s are avail and they want SLI support on the fastest desktop chips. I think you guys will get your boards clocking high in few weeks.

Dumo
11-13-2006, 05:56 AM
Heres with BFG board aka NV reference board by Foxconn...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9535/screenshot004sr1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8104/screenshot005hs2.jpg

slykid
11-13-2006, 05:59 AM
nice results there

JohnMike
11-13-2006, 06:04 AM
Heres with BFG board aka NV reference board by Foxconn...

Have any pics taken from the board?!....

Ibinco
11-13-2006, 06:13 AM
Heres with BFG board aka NV reference board by Foxconn...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9535/screenshot004sr1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8104/screenshot005hs2.jpg


Now thats the results we were hoping to see :) Nice results m8, im feel alot happier now seeing retail boards doing good FSB on core 2 duo.

Dumo
11-13-2006, 06:20 AM
Have any pics taken from the board?!....Heres Foxconn reference board...Same as EVGA with a bunch of crooked caps like Pisa tower:D .
As long as it can oc then is ok:)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7729/screenshot006ss4.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2595/screenshot002lu1.jpg

Ibinco
11-13-2006, 06:45 AM
looks good m8 ;) Cant wait to get my hands on mine, sold my PW64WS PRO for this.

bingo13
11-13-2006, 06:58 AM
Asus Striker.... This E6600 CPU would not boot past 449FSB on the EVGA with p20 BIOS. This was the first boot on the Asus board with the same CPU. :D

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/866/asus7x512e6600ng3.png

Ibinco
11-13-2006, 07:01 AM
Owww baby! :p: give us some pictures please!!! We want to see that rig!

500FSB+ wooooooot! :banana:

bingo13
11-13-2006, 07:24 AM
I need to tweak the memory now and start pushing the FSB. ;)

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/3323/7x514x6800gh1.png

zemzelett
11-13-2006, 07:28 AM
Bingo13,

Some questions for you.

How high can you get the FSB with a 9 multiplier?
Retail or ES?
Can you confirm max CPU voltage in bios, heard 1.6v and 1.9v

Thank You ahead of time.

Ibinco
11-13-2006, 07:39 AM
Bingo13,

Some questions for you.

How high can you get the FSB with a 9 multiplier?
Retail or ES?
Can you confirm max CPU voltage in bios, heard 1.6v and 1.9v

Thank You ahead of time.

Read his posts above he has gotten to 444FSB with x9 multi. But maybe CPu is holding him back. And its a retail board.

zemzelett
11-13-2006, 07:49 AM
I should have worded it differently, was asking if the 444FSB with a 9 multi was the limit for his chip, or the board.

Hope that helps clear it up, sorry for the confusion.

berk
11-13-2006, 09:09 AM
Well Bingo...er..Bingo thats great!!! :D
ASUS striker FTW 680i??

Ibinco
11-13-2006, 09:14 AM
Bingo is the man, i told him his adventures deserve a thread of their own :)

TASOS
11-13-2006, 09:15 AM
EVGA 680i with bios P19.

nTune (manually adj. for the mobo dont work)...the rest of nTune is OK.

8x multi up to 444.5 FSB is OK.

445 up to 465 No boot.

466.6 FSB everything OK.
I will try for more if my cpu can handle it.

@Phil
MEM @800 (UNLINKED) works fine 4-3-2-4 1T.

Revv23
11-13-2006, 09:26 AM
I need to tweak the memory now and start pushing the FSB. ;)

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/3323/7x514x6800gh1.png

Awesome what are your memory timings? Is that an untweaked run?

good to see asus delivering on this.

Devious
11-13-2006, 10:25 AM
subscibed for interest.

TyCanadian
11-13-2006, 10:33 AM
Would anyone who has had decent results with a reference board be able to post the voltages they used for each component? I really don't know what the limits are for this board. Are you using stock cooling for everything but the CPU?

Phil The Greek
11-13-2006, 10:37 AM
EVGA 680i with bios P19.

nTune (manually adj. for the mobo dont work)...the rest of nTune is OK.

8x multi up to 444.5 FSB is OK.

445 up to 465 No boot.

466.6 FSB everything OK.
I will try for more if my cpu can handle it.

@Phil
MEM @800 (UNLINKED) works fine 4-3-2-4 1T.
Thanks TASOS.I will do some more testing:)

Punisher!
11-13-2006, 12:55 PM
Nice Thread!!! People is it right that with a Kentsfield raising the FSB above 350 becomes a problem?

techstyled
11-13-2006, 01:29 PM
Would anyone who has had decent results with a reference board be able to post the voltages they used for each component? I really don't know what the limits are for this board. Are you using stock cooling for everything but the CPU?

I second this motion. I'm getting very confused, especially about CPU voltage.

I have seen the following in this thread alone:

bingo - 1.392
Dumo - 1.150
Dumo - 1.125
xgmam - 1.637
camb - 1.352
etc.

Now I know we all have different cooling and such but there seems to be a very wide variety.

There's a LOT of run in between 1.125 and 1.637.

Could someone give a noob like me the following:

Stock Voltage (I think 1.20v?)
"Safe" air cooling max volt - ?
"Safe" water cooling max volt - ?
Avg volt need to achieve Avg OC results - ?

I know I should have a handle on the above but, tbh, I don't have a clue.

I've got one of each variant from X6800 to E6300 to play with but my first "eyes bleeding 3am" run was not awe inspiring. I was only using stock cooling at the time but still.

I'll be throwing my Scythe Mine into the mix and then moving on to my WC setup but I'd appreciate a heads up on what I should be getting results from (i.e. "you shouldn't have to set volts higher than X to get to 3.4 with the X6800").

TIA

cambrian
11-13-2006, 05:49 PM
techstyled,

the reference nvidia 680i (or evga's at least) " undervolts from bios. What I mean by this is that if I set the vcore in bios to 1.40 the "actual" voltage will be 1.36. CPU-z would also under-report this even further as 1.352. This is consistent with what my cpu needs to be 48 hours orthos stable. With my
p5b deluxe I would have to set it at 1.38 to get a vcore of 1.36.

It's no big deal as long as the reported voltage is consistent with the p5b deluxe and ds3.

FYI, I returned my evga 680i. The place I bought it from was nice enough to take it back without restocking fee. I will wait for the Asus 680i (the non-striker version) results to come back before I jump on the 680i bandwagon. There's no way in hell i'm paying $400 for the striker motherboard even if it overclocks well (from the looks of it, it is good with FSB of 512).

Lestat
11-13-2006, 05:58 PM
techstyled,

the reference nvidia 680i (or evga's at least) " undervolts from bios. What I mean by this is that if I set the vcore in bios to 1.40 the "actual" voltage will be 1.36. CPU-z would also under-report this even further as 1.352. This is consistent with what my cpu needs to be 48 hours orthos stable. With my
p5b deluxe I would have to set it at 1.38 to get a vcore of 1.36.

It's no big deal as long as the reported voltage is consistent with the p5b deluxe and ds3.

FYI, I returned my evga 680i. The place I bought it from was nice enough to take it back without restocking fee. I will wait for the Asus 680i (the non-striker version) results to come back before I jump on the 680i bandwagon. There's no way in hell i'm paying $400 for the striker motherboard even if it overclocks well (from the looks of it, it is good with FSB of 512).



so why did you return it ? cuz it wouldnt hit as high of FSB ?
so what did you tell the peson at the return center ? it was broken ? wouldnt work with your hardware ?

cambrian
11-13-2006, 06:01 PM
I told them the truth...I'm not satisfied with its performance. In fact, I told them to go ahead and charge me the restocking fee as their terms of sale stated. But they were very nice about it and gave me the full refund.

I returned it because I will wait for the results of the Asus non-striker version before buying a 680i board.

sierra_bound
11-13-2006, 06:06 PM
I think you're giving up on the board way too early. Most boards, including 965 and 975X, are usually not very good with the initial bios. Some, like the P5B Dlx, got a lot better with bios updates.

The EVGA board is slow in Pi. I think that's going to be true of most 680i boards. But they overclock memory very well. At least mine does.

Dumo
11-13-2006, 06:10 PM
Difference with all other conroe's board is 680i won't give you an instant (easy from bios and clockgened) overclock:)

Grinch
11-13-2006, 06:21 PM
who cares how fast you can super pi? I mean really....how often just for $hits and giggles are we going to just have our pc's counting to 1M or 32M on a regular basis? I know I'm not...if it will overclock decent and be more stable than my p5b deluxe it is a winner to me!...just my 2cents...:toast: :woot:

Lestat
11-13-2006, 06:23 PM
yeh your definately giving up way too early,

sierra have you tested the P20 bios ?
and the 680i isnt slower from the tests we've seen, its faster than the 965 but only by a small margin
Pi in no way shape or form determines the speed of a mobo chipset, it has proven thats its a champion, atleast to me, the fact that you can do the ram and the cpu totally seperately is enough for me to buy it. that has been the dream of overclockers for years, and now its a reality, finally,, its here.

nvidia isnt going to let this board run like such crap as some people here claim it does. just cuz you cant oc your cpu doesnt mean jack squat

before this, nvidia was never in control, it was always up to the mobo makers, now, with the eVGA nvidia is in control of the bios, and they know they can't let this board die.

they are competing against intel, which isnt much competition really, and possibly the RD600 , i say possibly as no one has the RD600 boards and know one even knows anything about it.

Grinch
11-13-2006, 06:25 PM
I agree w/ lestat you have given up to early..:stick: :toast: :woot:

sierra_bound
11-13-2006, 06:48 PM
sierra have you tested the P20 bios ?
and the 680i isnt slower from the tests we've seen, its faster than the 965 but only by a small margin
Pi in no way shape or form determines the speed of a mobo chipset, it has proven thats its a champion, atleast to me, the fact that you can do the ram and the cpu totally seperately is enough for me to buy it. that has been the dream of overclockers for years, and now its a reality, finally,, its here.

No, I haven't tested the P20 bios.

This forum's reputation is largely built on benching. All the top overclockers come here. Doesn't mean that's the only thing worth talking about. But Pi times are important to some of us here.;)

As I mentioned earlier, you can get very good memory clocks with this board. I'm Orthos-stable at DDR2-1200. And that's after only one day of testing. How many unmodded boards can do that? Granted, you need RAM that can handle very high speeds.

The obsession that people have with FSB is very misguided IMO. Yes I know, FSB determines overall CPU speed. But there's more to performance than just CPU clocks.

[XC] gomeler
11-13-2006, 09:13 PM
But lots of us enjoy striving for 100%+ overclocks, I was hoping the 680i would give me the chance to do that since it can independently clock the memory and processor but it looks like the FSB is currently hovering around the upper 400's. Perhaps I should go and get one and stash it under a cascade.

One question in regards to temperatures, people with the boards, what are the temps like on your chipsets? Does the stock cooling do a good job or is there room for improvement?

Xion X2
11-13-2006, 09:57 PM
^ My southbridge (MCP) runs really, really hot. It's up around 80C when I have a second graphics card installed, and I can't figure out the hell why. My FSB is only set to ~375 and my PCI-E lanes are running at 100mhz.

With a single card, it idled at 83C until I put the chipset fan on the northbridge that comes with this mobo. That knocked it down to 68C. But with a second GTX installed that sits right over the southbridge it heats up to 83C.

Very uncomfortable with this.. anyone know what might be the problem? It doesn't appear to be overvolted, because it reads 1.5V in the BIOS, and that's as low a voltage as you can go with it. I don't have great airflow in this case right now because I'm fixing to go H20, but I still believe it should be running nowhere near this hot. It idles much higher than my GTX's do.

Grinch
11-13-2006, 10:22 PM
^ My southbridge (MCP) runs really, really hot. It's up around 80C when I have a second graphics card installed, and I can't figure out the hell why. My FSB is only set to ~375 and my PCI-E lanes are running at 100mhz.

With a single card, it idled at 83C until I put the chipset fan on the northbridge that comes with this mobo. That knocked it down to 68C. But with a second GTX installed that sits right over the southbridge it heats up to 83C.

Very uncomfortable with this.. anyone know what might be the problem? It doesn't appear to be overvolted, because it reads 1.5V in the BIOS, and that's as low a voltage as you can go with it. I don't have great airflow in this case right now because I'm fixing to go H20, but I still believe it should be running nowhere near this hot. It idles much higher than my GTX's do.



not getting alot of air movement in there....possible to mount a 120 over 2 video cards to keep them cooler?:toast:

charlie
11-13-2006, 11:35 PM
drooling for stryker

sierra_bound
11-13-2006, 11:59 PM
Who needs Striker. My EVGA board is Orthos-stable at DDR2-1271. ;)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7233/orthosddr21271555yc5.jpg

BTW, the test is still running.

Punisher!
11-14-2006, 12:55 AM
Nice Thread!!! People is it right that with a Kentsfield raising the FSB above 350 becomes a problem?

:stick:

maxxxxel
11-14-2006, 01:42 AM
Who needs Striker. My EVGA board is Orthos-stable at DDR2-1271. ;)



Nice results, but is that recommended for 24/7 use? all those voltages are in the red

sierra_bound
11-14-2006, 01:49 AM
Even when I set FSB and PCI-E voltages to Auto, the readings will be in the red or sometimes yellow. The NV Monitor utility is not very good. I just use it to show memory speed. CPU-Z does read the memory speed or timings for this board.

I'm running Orthos now at DDR2-1287. One thing I found is that raising the FSB and NB voltages to the max does not necessarily help.

The Asgard
11-14-2006, 05:11 AM
Recieved my 680i yesterday.

Sierra how did you get the NvTune motherboard options working?

When I try to access the Manual Tuning/Adjust Motherboard settings it crashes to the desktop with no error. I have tried the nvtune that came on the CD and also the newer version, same result. Its a fresh install of XP.

The bios needs fixing but stability wise it seems like my P5W 64 which is good.

vmsein
11-14-2006, 07:00 AM
Who needs Striker. My EVGA board is Orthos-stable at DDR2-1271. ;)

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7233/orthosddr21271555yc5.jpg

BTW, the test is still running.

Sierra, which cpu are you using for these tests?

bingo13
11-14-2006, 07:07 AM
Bingo13,

Some questions for you.

How high can you get the FSB with a 9 multiplier?
Retail or ES?
Can you confirm max CPU voltage in bios, heard 1.6v and 1.9v

Thank You ahead of time.

I am traveling currently so I have limited access to the Internet.

1. 9x427FSB but this is due to a crappy E6600. I have a good one coming that did 9x456 at Asus with water.

2. Retail Board all the way.

3. 1.9V on the 0402 BIOS.

bingo13
11-14-2006, 07:10 AM
Well Bingo...er..Bingo thats great!!! :D
ASUS striker FTW 680i??

I am waiting on new BIOS releases for the Abit and Gigabyte boards at this time my opinion is reserved. I need to do more testing with the Striker with a decent E6600 and X6800 before commenting further but so far so good. I did hit 7x535 with a E6300 before I left.

bingo13
11-14-2006, 07:12 AM
Awesome what are your memory timings? Is that an untweaked run?

good to see asus delivering on this.

DDR2-792, 3-3-3-6 2T, memory is good for near 880 at 1T, just need to test it now.

bingo13
11-14-2006, 07:18 AM
I'm running Orthos now at DDR2-1287. One thing I found is that raising the FSB and NB voltages to the max does not necessarily help.


It actually hurts performance in my testing. ;) I saw the board running at DDR2-1333 (5-5-5-18) yesterday, the memory is not available yet. :slobber:

MTP04
11-14-2006, 07:38 AM
I recently found a solution to a problem I have benn having when overclocking my evga 680i board.

When I first got the board I was running 1750mhz QFSB with out any problems whatsoever but once I get into the 1900's I get almost like a cold boot issue. Basically at 1909 QFSB I can boot into windows and 3d bench for hours but once I reset my computer the system wont boot up and will automatically go back to default speeds. So I found that when it dosent want to boot up I have to turn the psu off BEFORE the system changes back to defaults and wait for 10-15 seconds for the motehrboard to completey power down and then I turn the power supply back on and power on the motherboard and then she boots up just fine at 1909 QFSB for some more benching.

Has anyone else have this problem?

Yoxxy
11-14-2006, 07:51 AM
Kentsfield has major problems with this board. I was not stable above 310 fsb with a stepping 7 B3. I have since sold it for even money and went back to P5B which hits 440 on Kentsfield with everything at auto...

xgman
11-14-2006, 07:52 AM
I second this motion. I'm getting very confused, especially about CPU voltage.

I have seen the following in this thread alone:

bingo - 1.392
Dumo - 1.150
Dumo - 1.125
xgmam - 1.637
camb - 1.352
etc.

Now I know we all have different cooling and such but there seems to be a very wide variety.

There's a LOT of run in between 1.125 and 1.637.

Could someone give a noob like me the following:

Stock Voltage (I think 1.20v?)
"Safe" air cooling max volt - ?
"Safe" water cooling max volt - ?
Avg volt need to achieve Avg OC results - ?

I know I should have a handle on the above but, tbh, I don't have a clue.

I've got one of each variant from X6800 to E6300 to play with but my first "eyes bleeding 3am" run was not awe inspiring. I was only using stock cooling at the time but still.

I'll be throwing my Scythe Mine into the mix and then moving on to my WC setup but I'd appreciate a heads up on what I should be getting results from (i.e. "you shouldn't have to set volts higher than X to get to 3.4 with the X6800").

TIA


My 1.6375 is actual 1.58 in bios and also on phase. The board undervolts I believe although I have not used a digital multi meter to verify bios readings.

xgman
11-14-2006, 07:54 AM
I think you're giving up on the board way too early. Most boards, including 965 and 975X, are usually not very good with the initial bios. Some, like the P5B Dlx, got a lot better with bios updates.

The EVGA board is slow in Pi. I think that's going to be true of most 680i boards. But they overclock memory very well. At least mine does.

I noticed the Pi thing also. Your p5B Pi score http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1006/4653gd3.jpg at 11 at 4653mhz
On the 680i my 4500mhz score was 12.18, although I had backfround stuff running, they should be closer, no?

xgman
11-14-2006, 08:03 AM
Anyone else have this problem? When I set the boot order to usb floppy/cdrom/hard drive, I get no boot to hard drive. just sits at black screen after post. When I set boot order at hard drive first, all is fine. So to boot to a usb floppy or cdrom, I have to chnage the 1st boot device to that one and diable the 2nd and 3rd. basically the boot order is f'ed and this happens on ship bios and P20 bios.

sierra_bound
11-14-2006, 09:06 AM
Sierra, which cpu are you using for these tests?
X6800 retail

It actually hurts performance in my testing. ;) I saw the board running at DDR2-1333 (5-5-5-18) yesterday, the memory is not available yet. :slobber:
Oh, you mean like this.;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/ds7510/DDR2-1333.jpg

The purpose of running Orthos is to test stability, not performance. I'm sure you know that.

FEEXX
11-14-2006, 09:27 AM
Damn so what is evga waiting for new bios release now! I'm getting mine by tomorrow, unfortunately i'll not be able to test it, this commets make me feel blue, i thouhg i did a GDMF purchase but i'm starting to doubt.

lets hope problems will be solved soon and thanks for sharing everyone! ;)

xgman
11-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Damn so what is evga waiting for new bios release now! ;)

It's Nvida waiting, not EVGA. The same bios will go to BFG etc. Should be out sometime this week.

NapalmV5
11-14-2006, 01:42 PM
i hope RD600 puts all to shame

zakelwe
11-14-2006, 01:43 PM
My 680i also tops out at exactly 449FSB .. any higher does not work ( 466,480,502). I cannot try ntune as that does not run, just dies when trying to open the overclocking pannel. If I could try ntune I think I would be ok, similar to how UGuru helped the nforce3 on the Abit back of yore :)

Also, if the system is not run in Linked mode and not in sync then performance really suffers.

975 12x300 RAM 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 7900GS 540/750 2001 = 481150
680 12x300 unlinked RAM 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 = 47400 2T and 47800 1T
680 12x300 linked sync 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 = 48250 IT

If you are running 2T and not linked and in sync then it is no wonder SuperPi times are low.....

I'm going to wait for BIOS and ntune revisions or somebody on the forums to find the solution, just got to wait. I'll continue testing tomorrow.

Regards

Andy

cleanerupper
11-14-2006, 02:40 PM
I'm having this wierd issue with the 680i on an e6600. When I set the multiplier down to 8x and the FSB to 400MHz, the BOIS startup screen, Orthos, and Nvidia Monitor will report it as 3600Mhz (450Mhz x 8) but CPU-Z and Nvidia Control Panel will report it as it should be, 3200Mhz (400Mhz x 8).

Here's a screenshot showing the issue:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7517/mhzpk6.jpg

zakelwe
11-14-2006, 02:50 PM
I'm having this wierd issue with the 680i on an e6600. When I set the multiplier down to 8x and the FSB to 400MHz, the BOIS startup screen, Orthos, and Nvidia Monitor will report it as 3600Mhz (450Mhz x 8) but CPU-Z and Nvidia Control Panel will report it as it should be, 3200Mhz (400Mhz x 8).

Here's a screenshot showing the issue:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7517/mhzpk6.jpg

Sounds like this

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1833604&postcount=150

Regards

Andy

Grinch
11-14-2006, 02:54 PM
i hope RD600 puts all to shame


hope is all we have..:clap:

cleanerupper
11-14-2006, 03:02 PM
Sounds like this

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1833604&postcount=150

Regards

Andy

That sounds exactly like the issue I'm having. Thanks! So does this sound like a bug that should be fixed with a new BIOS release?

damnnit
11-14-2006, 03:43 PM
This happened on my P5B too. Windows, Orthos, and other programs thinks its (default multiplier x FSB = Speed posted) while cpu-z will post the correct numbers.

so it is posting 3600mhz for you because it thinks its 9 (default for E6600) x 400 = 3600mhz.

cleanerupper
11-14-2006, 04:05 PM
This happened on my P5B too. Windows, Orthos, and other programs thinks its (default multiplier x FSB = Speed posted) while cpu-z will post the correct numbers.

so it is posting 3600mhz for you because it thinks its 9 (default for E6600) x 400 = 3600mhz.

Yes, it's posting 3600Mhz, but instead of saying 9x400Mhz at bootup, it will post 8x450Mhz. All the while, it is actually set at 8x400Mhz in the bios.

There must be some mismatched multiplier settings in the bios somewhere.

Amiteriver
11-14-2006, 07:01 PM
Got it today evga 8800 x2 and evga 680i -
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/projectdetails.jsp?projectType=14&projectId=634484
no case on air :)

rjw
11-14-2006, 07:15 PM
Just starting to play with this board

so far fsb = 471.1 and rising

where do you see the bios version?

mine says 2.053.57 , but zi only see it when booting up and an error occurs, otherwise it flashes by.

evga board btw

charlie
11-14-2006, 08:13 PM
interesting... a broad range of results on this chipset.

kyosen
11-14-2006, 09:10 PM
Hi, I'm also playing with eVGA's NF680i/P19 BIOS in these days:)

My board/CPU goes upto 466MHz.
http://222.151.144.121/c-board/file/18.000s_NF680i_FSB466.png

Mouse(via PS/2) jumping problem was resolved by using USB mouse...
...of course it's a FUGGER's suggestion, many thanks!!!:)

>I cannot try ntune as that does not run, just dies when trying to open the overclocking pannel.
--
I suspect that this OC pannel dying problem is derived from language/localization immaturity.
Yes I'm a japanese and using WinXPSP2 Japanese edition, and I also got same problem.
Next I change region/language option at Windows controll panel from Japanese to English/USA,
then I tried nTune...OC pannel appears correctly.
But still I can't change FSB by nTune...it returns error code:(

zakelwe
11-14-2006, 10:30 PM
>I cannot try ntune as that does not run, just dies when trying to open the overclocking pannel.
--
I suspect that this OC pannel dying problem is derived from language/localization immaturity.
Yes I'm a japanese and using WinXPSP2 Japanese edition, and I also got same problem.
Next I change region/language option at Windows controll panel from Japanese to English/USA,
then I tried nTune...OC pannel appears correctly.
But still I can't change FSB by nTune...it returns error code:(

Thanks for that information Kyosen. I and other people also have it with English version, however I am the other person who mentioned it are in the UK not USA and so have English UK set I think... maybe English Uk is not proper English also ! :D I am at work but will try it tonight....

Regards
Andy

lopri
11-15-2006, 01:03 AM
Weird because I have no crashing or closing issue with nTune. Also my GPU overclocking screen is different from others'. :confused:

zakelwe
11-15-2006, 02:42 AM
Weird because I have no crashing or closing issue with nTune. Also my GPU overclocking screen is different from others'. :confused:

Interesting! Do you have web space to load your ntune files up to so we can download and try ?

Regards

Andy

easyrider
11-15-2006, 04:20 AM
I'm having this wierd issue with the 680i on an e6600. When I set the multiplier down to 8x and the FSB to 400MHz, the BOIS startup screen, Orthos, and Nvidia Monitor will report it as 3600Mhz (450Mhz x 8) but CPU-Z and Nvidia Control Panel will report it as it should be, 3200Mhz (400Mhz x 8).

Here's a screenshot showing the issue:

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7517/mhzpk6.jpg


Thats exactly the issue I am having

FEEXX
11-15-2006, 04:21 AM
Hi got a question about Bios settings, How does affect performance to have the memory in SLI mode or not? any noticiable difference just using a single video card??

Thx

Celcius
11-15-2006, 07:36 AM
I've also got a question about overclocking on the 680i boards (evga in particular):

By default, under ht multiplier,
nforce spp -> nforce mcp is 5x
nforce spp <- nforce mcp is 5x

What's the max speed these can handle? Meaning, when OCing, can you leave them at 5x or do you eventually have to lower them to 4x, and when?

Also, can the HT spread spectrum be left on or should it be turned off when OCing?

icon57
11-15-2006, 08:52 AM
I've also got a question about overclocking on the 680i boards (evga in particular):

By default, under ht multiplier,
nforce spp -> nforce mcp is 5x
nforce spp <- nforce mcp is 5x

What's the max speed these can handle? Meaning, when OCing, can you leave them at 5x or do you eventually have to lower them to 4x, and when?

Also, can the HT spread spectrum be left on or should it be turned off when OCing?

good question, i would like to hear an answer to that also...i keep mine on 4x with a clock of 410x9...but i am not sure what it really does...

CoNMaN
11-15-2006, 08:58 AM
tRRD
tRC
tWr
tWTR
tREF
setings for 500+ ram speed???

lopri
11-15-2006, 02:23 PM
Interesting! Do you have web space to load your ntune files up to so we can download and try ?

Regards

Andy
I do have space but can't use it right now. But I downloaded nTune and ForceWare drivers from NVDIA.com so the drivers files should be the same. Below is my GPU Overclocking screen.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8090/g80ocei2zv4.png (http://imageshack.us)

I think it's just that nTune/NV Control panel is buggy in current state.

lopri
11-15-2006, 02:26 PM
I've also got a question about overclocking on the 680i boards (evga in particular):

By default, under ht multiplier,
nforce spp -> nforce mcp is 5x
nforce spp <- nforce mcp is 5x

What's the max speed these can handle? Meaning, when OCing, can you leave them at 5x or do you eventually have to lower them to 4x, and when?

Also, can the HT spread spectrum be left on or should it be turned off when OCing?

You don't have to change HT multipliers. Just leave it at X5. I think it's generally recommended to disable spread spectrum thingy. I disabled them except the SATA spread spectrum, which is set at "Down" something.

easyrider
11-15-2006, 05:12 PM
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k224/easyrider_01/4.jpg



Now at 4ghz!

LexDiamonds
11-15-2006, 06:41 PM
I'm loving the evga 680i so far, but I do hit a hard wall at 449fsb. This is with a 626B E6600 conroe. I have seen several other people at this same wall. Hopefully the new bios will fix this.

Grinch
11-15-2006, 06:45 PM
so far I am at 445:

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/fsb.JPG (http://s2.supload.com/free/fsb.JPG/view/)



p20 bios better be good!

Grinch
11-15-2006, 11:04 PM
I have got 1 question...........what memory slots are people running their ram in? Blue/Blue or Black/Black? unless you have 4 sticks....*-)

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-15-2006, 11:51 PM
I have got 1 question...........what memory slots are people running their ram in? Blue/Blue or Black/Black? unless you have 4 sticks....*-)It is recommended to use blue slots if only using 2 sticks.

charlie
11-16-2006, 12:00 AM
680i seems a bit slow at SuperPi, hopefully better at 3D.

zakelwe
11-16-2006, 02:09 AM
680i seems a bit slow at SuperPi, hopefully better at 3D.


If you use 1T and have the memory half the FSB speed ( 1:1 in effect) then it is slightly quicker than 975 clock for clock Charlie. You also get the benefit for FM approved drivers for 3dmark of course.

Regards

Andy

RacerX
11-16-2006, 03:01 AM
If you use 1T and have the memory half the FSB speed ( 1:1 in effect) then it is slightly quicker than 975 clock for clock Charlie. You also get the benefit for FM approved drivers for 3dmark of course.

Regards

Andy


Personally I would love to see some 1t action. Here's something you 680i guys can compare to. Untweaked XP Pro with everything in my sig. You can use any fsb you like just match cpu speed. I only have a X1800XT so I won't waste my time with 3d.

Question, how high will 1t go?

http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/SPI3825.JPG

zakelwe
11-16-2006, 04:49 AM
With a bit of luck I should be able to match that exactly with 1T so I will test tonight .. I doubt it will be as fast though, only seems to be better in 3D ..but we shall see.

Regards

Andy

pentium777
11-16-2006, 06:11 AM
With a bit of luck I should be able to match that exactly with 1T so I will test tonight .. I doubt it will be as fast though, only seems to be better in 3D ..but we shall see.

Regards

Andy

On my Corsair twin2x-6400c4 @ DDR2-800 I could not do 1T at 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-18, 1T gives me thousands of errors in memtest and hangs windows and orthos.

Mr Dizzy
11-16-2006, 11:24 AM
New Bios out for EVGA 680i over at there website

easyrider
11-17-2006, 02:37 PM
sweet

NightRaven
11-17-2006, 07:04 PM
oh yea anyone tested the new bios? p20?

Badge56
11-17-2006, 07:28 PM
I downloaded P20 and it installed just fine. Is it better? No idea. I am stuck at 3500...
Need some information on configuring that BIOS....
You guys at 4000..... show us some BIOS settings..

Anyone using Mushkin 6400? DDR800 (green) 5-5-5-18
How high did you them to go?

MTP04
11-17-2006, 07:42 PM
oh yea anyone tested the new bios? p20?


After some testing my FSB went from 475mhz to 479mhz x 7. Not very much but still something.:)

Blacklash
11-17-2006, 11:27 PM
Someone mentioned spread spectrum.

SS is for EMI reduction.(That's electromagnetic interference for those unaware.)

System stability and performance may be slightly compromised with SS enabled. Especially with timing critical devices.

For overclocking even a 0.25% jitter can cause a temporary boost in clockspeed which may cause an overclocked processor to lock up.

If you aren't having EMI problems keep it off.

lopri
11-18-2006, 12:24 AM
I've got up to 480FSB with my new E6400. (8x480=3840)

Punisher!
11-18-2006, 12:47 AM
I've got up to 480FSB with my new E6400. (8x480=3840)
Any stability screenshots?

lopri
11-18-2006, 02:27 AM
This for now. Will add more up later on.

FSB 1920
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7444/fsb1920nn3rr9.png (http://imageshack.us)

FSB 1900 with tighter timings
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8627/sp8mbhg4jy9.png (http://imageshack.us)

Xptweaker
11-18-2006, 02:46 AM
@ lopri which memory u got ?

lopri
11-18-2006, 03:41 AM
TeamGroup. But this board doesn't love my memory that much. (No 1T love @800MHz and beyond)

Edit: Here is a dual 32M run.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2285/sp32m2ng1.png (http://imageshack.us)

palese
11-18-2006, 09:22 AM
Someone mentioned spread spectrum.

SS is for EMI reduction.(That's electromagnetic interference for those unaware.)

System stability and performance may be slightly compromised with SS enabled. Especially with timing critical devices.

For overclocking even a 0.25% jitter can cause a temporary boost in clockspeed which may cause an overclocked processor to lock up.

If you aren't having EMI problems keep it off.

Hi malficar
I run out of a case with a tech station so I am not EMI shielded, in my case should I disable it or not, and does it efect temps of the cpu?

palese
11-18-2006, 11:31 AM
I have got 1 question...........what memory slots are people running their ram in? Blue/Blue or Black/Black? unless you have 4 sticks....*-)

You can run it in blue or black:fact:

Blacklash
11-18-2006, 03:45 PM
Hi malficar
I run out of a case with a tech station so I am not EMI shielded, in my case should I disable it or not, and does it efect temps of the cpu?

I'd say leave it off unless you are getting popping or odd distortion from your sound card due to EMI. I do not believe it would effect CPU temperature on a significant scale.

sierra_bound
11-18-2006, 08:09 PM
I was running Orthos for a couple of hours at DDR2-1311, but forgot to save the screenshot.:( Here's DDR2-1309

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8620/orthosddr21309fn2.jpg

Using Corsair 6400C'3 @ 5-5-5-9

palese
11-18-2006, 10:41 PM
I got this board for the SLI support but for an overclocker this board is horrible, even for mild overclocks. Poor effort on Nvidia's part:fact:

sierra_bound
11-19-2006, 02:01 AM
Corsair 6400C3's at DDR2-925 (462.5MHz) with 3-3-3-9 timings. Memory voltage at 2.5v. Linked and Sync modes.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6537/orthosddr2925333qn6.jpg

vmsein
11-19-2006, 08:32 AM
Sierra, do you think this board undervolts the memory just like it undervolts the cpu? Just curious since 2.5 volts through the memory seems like quite a bit to me. Thanks!

Speedpc
11-19-2006, 09:01 AM
Hi Guys, I Got a quick question on the EVGA 680i with a E6600, In the bios there are 2 options in question
CPU CORE
CPU FSB
Which one should i set higher when overclocking ???
Currently i have CPU CORE at 1.425 which shows 1.4v and i have the CPU FSB at auto whichs shows 1.19v, the reason i ask is that these processor was on the 975x/g running at 375fsb at 1.4 volts orthos stable for 36hours. on this board the max i get is 350fsb (1400 divided by 4 =350x9=3150) i have it on unlinked so i'm wondering if i am raiseing the wrong voltage, and yes i put it back in the 975x/g to make sure that the settings i had and it goes right to windows at 375 stable Thanks for your help :)
For cooling i'm using the CoolIt Unit

ShoNuff
11-19-2006, 10:25 AM
Corsair 6400C3's at DDR2-925 (462.5MHz) with 3-3-3-9 timings. Memory voltage at 2.5v. Linked and Sync modes.


So, it looks like the 6400C3's turned out to be some good sticks after all. :D When you first started posting some results with the Team memory I was confused b/c I thought the highly binned C3's were superior.

Thanks again for posting your findings as I found your result are reproducible. This has saved me hours in tweaking. While on air (at least until my new block arrives) my rig is running nice and smooth at 1440fsb (3.6GHz@1.4625v - in bois/1.42v in Windows) and 1200MHz (DDR2 600) 4-4-4-9 2.5v prime stable. I was surprised to find the memory to be so cool to the touch at 2.5v.

Anyway, nice work with the 680i board. I think it is a winner. :banana:

OBR
11-19-2006, 12:02 PM
Hi, i want to buy a 680i MoBo, but i dont know what vendor? eVGA or Asus Striker? What is maximum Vcore on eVGA?

sierra_bound
11-19-2006, 12:30 PM
Sierra, do you think this board undervolts the memory just like it undervolts the cpu? Just curious since 2.5 volts through the memory seems like quite a bit to me. Thanks!
I have not measured voltages yet with a DMM, so I don't know. What I do know is that this board is great for memory overclocking. It's definitely the board's strongest asset.

ShoNuff
11-19-2006, 12:38 PM
Hi, i want to buy a 680i MoBo, but i dont know what vendor? eVGA or Asus Striker? What is maximum Vcore on eVGA?


The Striker is a nice board however; it is still based upon the 680i chipset and has not done any better than the reference Foxcon clones. eVGA is a good choice given the advance warranty replacement and availability.

Oh...did I mention price? You stand to save some cash with the eVGA as well. If the Striker were performing leaps and bounds above the reference boards (and it were $200 cheaper) it would be an easy choice.

So...BFG is you live near a Comp USA if not perhaps an eVGA if you live near a Fry's. Club IT is selling the eVGA for $249 IIRC.

edit: 1.850v in bios is max vcore w/ the P20 bios.

Phil The Greek
11-19-2006, 01:27 PM
I have not measured voltages yet with a DMM, so I don't know. What I do know is that this board is great for memory overclocking. It's definitely the board's strongest asset.
If I remember right,when I mesured @2.5v set in bios,the DMM was reading 2.49v inside the dimm slot.Pretty nice.
EDIT:I am talking for the EVGA board.

sierra_bound
11-19-2006, 04:47 PM
Orthos @ DDR2-930 3-3-3-9

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5937/orthosddr2930333ii0.jpg

Ignore the date. I forgot to change it after I flashed to newer bios.:D

lopri
11-19-2006, 09:34 PM
This board is a mystery. With a Xeon 3060 (E6600), 32M (not to mention dual 32M) results are horrendous. I could also see other folks getting around 14 ~15 mins at CPU frequency 3.6~3.8GHz. Switching to E6400 got me 13 mins 48 secs. Sandra bandwidth is even more ridiculous. :confused:

Maybe BIOS isn't tuned to 4MB cache chips yet?

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7456/680i32msandrarz3.png (http://imageshack.us)

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-19-2006, 10:48 PM
This board is the worst overclocker when it comes to memory OC.
How do you get your ram on this board to boot at 500mhz 4-4-4-8 2.5 VOLT, my ram is stable at 555mhz on P5B Dlx 2.40v, so if this problem isn't fixed i will just send it back to Evga for an RMA as it has the Sound issue when i try to use a X-Fi sound card.

OBR
11-20-2006, 12:03 AM
....

Thanks for your answer, but "Striker" have better board layout, no extra Molex power connector, clean CPU area with no capacitors ... but Striker is limited in Vcore only to 1.6V and it is big problem .... i will buy EVGA and i will see.

PS. - it is important to connect that Molex power connector on EVGA board?

Ultrazauberer
11-20-2006, 12:28 AM
you have the board undervolts several times please explain.

and does it only happen at higher voltages. ?

is 1.5v in the bios 1.45v via windows ? and have you checked with a DMM on the baord itself.?

Can anyone give me some pics where I find the messuring points for the DMM?

Celcius
11-20-2006, 08:20 AM
Thanks for your answer, but "Striker" have better board layout, no extra Molex power connector, clean CPU area with no capacitors ... but Striker is limited in Vcore only to 1.6V and it is big problem .... i will buy EVGA and i will see.

PS. - it is important to connect that Molex power connector on EVGA board?
I would like to know what this molex connector is for as well. I haven't had mine plugged in all this time, but I wonder if it would help...

Also, when overclocking, should the mcp and spp voltages be left at stock or raised to 1.5v? My fsb is 1134 and mem is running at 850mhz.

icon57
11-20-2006, 08:29 AM
i have mine plugged in even though i am not running sli.

NightRaven
11-20-2006, 09:12 AM
hmm my my there's a whole range of results.. lopri.. i hope my xeon 3060 will get here soon and then i can confirm ur findings~

also i think many of us raise voltages to 1.5V or 1.4V. that includes fsb, nforce and aux accd to ntune~ think ht will be abt 1.25V

newls1
11-20-2006, 09:20 AM
How do you think my G.skill 2x1GB ddr800 "HZ" ram will do with the 680i chipset? Currently with my DS3 im @ 462FSB using 4/4/4/12 timings @ 2.2v. But with the damn D9 bug i cant go any higher.... Im really interested in buying the EVGA version, but really need some input on how this ram might react with this motherboard. Thank you
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vanovich
11-20-2006, 10:04 AM
Thanks for your answer, but "Striker" have better board layout, no extra Molex power connector, clean CPU area with no capacitors ... but Striker is limited in Vcore only to 1.6V and it is big problem .... i will buy EVGA and i will see.

PS. - it is important to connect that Molex power connector on EVGA board?

i thought coolarer showed a pic.. with vcore up to 1,9 on the striker .

ShoNuff
11-20-2006, 10:46 AM
Thanks for your answer, but "Striker" have better board layout, no extra Molex power connector, clean CPU area with no capacitors ... but Striker is limited in Vcore only to 1.6V and it is big problem .... i will buy EVGA and i will see.

PS. - it is important to connect that Molex power connector on EVGA board?

The molex connector on the eVGA board is only to be used if you are running an SLI set up according to the manual.

edit: I would caution you against the EVGA board ATM. The more problems EVGA is having with this board the better the Striker looks.

Khaotic
11-20-2006, 12:09 PM
So, will the Storm water block fit on the eVGA board? I take it there are NO issues of CPU socket clearance with the Striker board?

I want to build a PC that can SLI without hack drivers.
I'm looking to game with a 30" LCD and that means having the graphics horsepower to run 2500x1600 and not worrying about frame rates. EVER. SO a pair of 8800GTX in SLI with a 6600 running at say - 3300MHz on up should get me there. Right?

As long as any of these 680i boards can take a Storm water block. Because water cooled - it shall be.

Razor_cut
11-20-2006, 01:19 PM
There you go STORM on eVGA LINK (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=1367311&postcount=34)
The whole thredd LINK (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=124086&page=1&pp=20)

xgman
11-20-2006, 01:21 PM
i have mine plugged in even though i am not running sli.


same here. figured can't hurt. ;)

Celcius
11-20-2006, 07:17 PM
How hot is it safe for the mcp to get?
Here's my temps after a few hours of benching and gaming:
http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06472/hotmcp.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs209&d=06472&f=hotmcp.jpg)

Badge56
11-20-2006, 08:01 PM
Here are my latest results on using the EVGA N68..
My max stable overclock is so far is 3520. Boots into Windows just fine at 3600 but not stable. Crashes in Orthos and jumpy mouse running idle. Even at 1.60 Vcore.
1.52V is just fine at 3520.... Orthos stable. My RAM MUSHKIN 6400 is running in sync mode just under 800 5-5-5-18 (1T).
I tried unlinked at upto 820 for the RAM with little or no performance difference.
The last Intel I overclocked was a 300 Celeron so I am not very familiar with Intel ... Anyone know what else I should be doing to get it stable at 3600 +:slapass:

Badge56
11-20-2006, 08:08 PM
This board is the worst overclocker when it comes to memory OC.
How do you get your ram on this board to boot at 500mhz 4-4-4-8 2.5 VOLT, my ram is stable at 555mhz on P5B Dlx 2.40v, so if this problem isn't fixed i will just send it back to Evga for an RMA as it has the Sound issue when i try to use a X-Fi sound card.

My RAM wont overclock either. I have no idea what it can do or not do being my 1st Nvidea board... Even with high voltage and lower timings it just will not boot..

Bios P20

sierra_bound
11-20-2006, 08:10 PM
Here are my latest results on using the EVGA N68..
My max stable overclock is so far is 3520. Boots into Windows just fine at 3600 but not stable. Crashes in Orthos and jumpy mouse running idle. Even at 1.60 Vcore.
1.52V is just fine at 3520.... Orthos stable. My RAM MUSHKIN 6400 is running in sync mode just under 800 5-5-5-18 (1T).
I tried unlinked at upto 820 for the RAM with little or no performance difference.
The last Intel I overclocked was a 300 Celeron so I am not very familiar with Intel ... Anyone know what else I should be doing to get it stable at 3600 +:slapass:
If you are using a PS/2 mouse, switch to a USB one.;) Running DDR2-800 at 1T is not easy with some CPU's and this board. You may be better off running 2T with higher memory speed.

lopri
11-20-2006, 10:52 PM
Measured VDIMM with a DMM. Overvolts 0.05~0.06V.

qk4723Deluxe
11-21-2006, 12:51 AM
my asus 680i

fsb517
http://home.pchome.com.tw/club/qk4723/680i/5146.PNG

dinos22
11-21-2006, 03:51 AM
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :toast: :banana:

Grinch
11-21-2006, 05:45 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap: :banana: :toast: :woot:

Ibinco
11-21-2006, 05:56 AM
@qk4723Deluxe Is that a retail board? Looking good m8 :) Nice FSB!

Grinch
11-21-2006, 05:58 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131074


is that for real $$$$?

SLi_dog
11-21-2006, 05:59 AM
My BFG is doing some screwy stuff with memory and FSB readings when using lower than default CPU multipliers.

This was the maximum bootable FSB that I could get from early testing. You can see the differences between the different reporting programs. I think that only being able to boot at 400FSB is RAM related as I am nearly certain that the BIOS estimate of DDR800 is wrong and the true value is DDR1200.

http://slidog.bigblog.com.au/data/2/11934/image/MaxbootFSB8411220061121230057.jpg


Same boot up within windows. The CPU-Z values are what was set in BIOS though only nvtune reports ram values at this time.

http://slidog.bigblog.com.au/data/2/11934/image/BGFmaxFSB8411320061121230057.png


BFG has a new BIOS available on their website which I'm going to try.

Celcius
11-21-2006, 06:01 AM
How hot is it safe for the mcp to get?
Here's my temps after a few hours of benching and gaming:
http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06472/hotmcp.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs209&d=06472&f=hotmcp.jpg)
Is this mcp temp safe as long as the system is stable?

SLi_dog
11-21-2006, 06:11 AM
Is this mcp temp safe as long as the system is stable?
If the voltage is set to AUTO then I guess so.

Celcius
11-21-2006, 03:35 PM
You know the 2-digit display on the side of the mobo that says "FF"?
Is it possible to change it to display the cpu temp?

newls1
11-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Can someone please answer this question: I'm getting an E6600 to OC to see if I can beat my E6300 (currently @ 3.23GHz) However, im currently using a DS3 motherboard, and this D9 issue is pissing me off. I have funds to buy the EVGA 680i motherboard, should I do it? I have 2x1GB sticks of g.skill DDR800 HZ ram, and with any hope, do you think this combo will be good for the 680i board? I know its not that great with the DS3.. Thank you

Crankybugga
11-21-2006, 10:55 PM
Can someone please answer this question: I'm getting an E6600 to OC to see if I can beat my E6300 (currently @ 3.23GHz) However, im currently using a DS3 motherboard, and this D9 issue is pissing me off. I have funds to buy the EVGA 680i motherboard, should I do it? I have 2x1GB sticks of g.skill DDR800 HZ ram, and with any hope, do you think this combo will be good for the 680i board? I know its not that great with the DS3.. Thank you
Id stay with the DS3 for now. The replies in this thread have not impressed me in the least. Maybe the 680i will improve with future bios revisions, but the DS3/D9 issue has been improved greatly with the F8i revision.

Ic3man
11-22-2006, 12:18 AM
Loving this board(EVGA680i). Sure it has its quirks as almost every single new motherboard has with early bios releases. You have to appreciate that this is a new platform and not a revised version of intels chipset. I can't understand people moaning about the 680i, expecting it to perform miracles and suddenly turn an average cpu into a WR beater:rolleyes:. Its expensive sure (especially here in the UK) but compared to the price of a W64/WS2 from Asus it aint that bad. The bios is a little tricky to get to grips with but you don't need to be an overclocking guru to work things out and once you do its actually easier to get good clocks than its 975/965 counterparts due to the memory being able to run unlinked. Those who worried about the EVGA bios support need worry no more as it seems that EVGA actually listen to there customers and solve problems with bios releases quickly which is more than can be said with ASUS. The XFI issue has now been solved (beta bios update) and so has the ntune problem (software fault not hardware). I'm not trying to justify the ££'s spend on this board it just gets under my skin when it gets bashed in such at such an early stage. Take a look at the p5b/p5w problems and fixes thread yet those two boards have turned out to be great and havn't nearly recieved the amount of crap thrown at the 680i . /rant

Comparing it to my P5WDH, heres what I have found :

Boot time : 680i by a long way
Gaming : 680i
3dmark : 680i
FSB : 680i
Memory : 680i
Overall Overclock : 680i (by 100mhz so far 3.7vs3.8 orthos stable)
SuperPI : P5WDH (beats 680i in 1m by about 0.5 secs @3.7-possibly related the the tighter memory subtimings of the P5WDH which are not available).
CMOS reset : 680i - simply becuase its now available without having to remove the graphics card!
Looks : 680i (imo):D

However there are a few problems I have encountered with the board :

CPU temp calibration seems a little low (show me a motherboard that is accurate!).
The chipset fan(optional) is very noisy on 100% setting (near silent on 50%).
Not all the onboard diagnostics are sufficiently explained in the manual.
Fitting of aftermarket coolers on the back of the board can be a pain due to the smd's/solder. I used some foam backing on a H-plate to counter this but those with solid plastic plates may find they need to modify them slightly to get them to fit without hitting the smd's.

So far I've managed to get 3.8 semi stable (4 hrs orthos) with this board with the same setup as I had with the P5WDH which despite having a mature bios wouldn't boot past 3.75 nevermind run orthos for any decent length of time. I put this down simply to the better memory overclocking abilities of the 680i which asus seemed reluctant or unable to incorporate. The abilities of this board/chipset have some great possibilities and with new bios releases can get even better (hopefully).

MrDeeds
11-22-2006, 01:27 AM
But what are the benefits of better memory ocing if it doesn't translate to better performance.

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-22-2006, 01:45 AM
But what are the benefits of better memory ocing if it doesn't translate to better performance.the evga board sux at memory overclocking. P5B is better.

Ic3man
11-22-2006, 05:28 AM
But what are the benefits of better memory ocing if it doesn't translate to better performance.

Because it allows a higher FSB to be attained = more cpu clocks. If you're comparing clock for clock performance via SuperPI then yeah it is slower in 1m but thats down to the differing chipsets imo, sure it would be nice to be hitting low 1m PI times to give an extra inch to the e-penis but as the tests get longer the scores get closer and the evga actually betters the P5WDH over 8m, see here : http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=11. SP has no 'real world' value anyway imo. With the P5WDH I couldn't get my cpu over 3.7 orthos stable in ANY of the tests. Now with the evga I can reach 3.8 (not tried higher yet). This was probably down to the tight memory subtimings mentioned in other threads that held back the P5WDH. I'm not bashing the P5WDH, far from it because it is a great board but it seems there are many who are bashing the 680i without actually having used it or have simply forgotten what problems the intel boards had when they were first released.


the evga board sux at memory overclocking. P5B is better.

see what I mean?

icon57
11-22-2006, 08:19 AM
im with iceman....this evag board is way better than my asus ws pro.
...too bad i keep corrupting my os by pushing my mems too high...3rd install in 2 weeks...lol

GAR
11-22-2006, 09:52 AM
the evga board sux at memory overclocking. P5B is better.

Your joking right, with my P5B DLX, i couldnt get anything higher than 520, with this board im at 600mhz = ddr 1200 with 2.425 volts and 5-4-4-12 timings, so please dont post stupid comments because you cant overclock your memory. :slap:

CoNMaN
11-22-2006, 09:57 AM
Your joking right, with my P5B DLX, i couldnt get anything higher than 520, with this board im at 600mhz = ddr 1200 with 2.425 volts and 5-4-4-12 timings, so please dont post stupid comments because you cant overclock your memory. :slap:

The rest of your timings please?

rick_fx
11-22-2006, 10:47 AM
Comparing it to my P5WDH, heres what I have found :

Boot time : 680i by a long way
Gaming : 680i
3dmark : 680i
FSB : 680i
Memory : 680i
Overall Overclock : 680i (by 100mhz so far 3.7vs3.8 orthos stable)
SuperPI : P5WDH (beats 680i in 1m by about 0.5 secs @3.7-possibly related the the tighter memory subtimings of the P5WDH which are not available).
CMOS reset : 680i - simply becuase its now available without having to remove the graphics card!
Looks : 680i (imo):D

So far I've managed to get 3.8 semi stable (4 hrs orthos) with this board with the same setup as I had with the P5WDH which despite having a mature bios wouldn't boot past 3.75 nevermind run orthos for any decent length of time. I put this down simply to the better memory overclocking abilities of the 680i which asus seemed reluctant or unable to incorporate. The abilities of this board/chipset have some great possibilities and with new bios releases can get even better (hopefully).

Well, I mostly agree with you Iceman except for 2 things:

- FSB isn't better on the 680i. My same setup was Orthos stable @525fsb 1:1 (4GB @525Mhz @2.4V). Now, I'm limited to 458fsb and even at 458, it doesn't always boot.

- The 680i doesn't overclock the cpu better with air cooling (in my case). Results were about the same. Under phase, overclock should be better (because of the extra Vcore). But, I'm limited to 4580Mhz (458*10) :rolleyes:

GAR
11-22-2006, 11:40 AM
The rest of your timings please?

5
4
4
8
2t
3
11
5
14
auto

uclajd
11-22-2006, 11:52 AM
This would be a lot more persuasive with some actual comparison numbers. :confused:



Comparing it to my P5WDH, heres what I have found :

Boot time : 680i by a long way
Gaming : 680i
3dmark : 680i
FSB : 680i
Memory : 680i

Ic3man
11-22-2006, 12:32 PM
This would be a lot more persuasive with some actual comparison numbers. :confused:

Yeah sorry about that. I never really took SS's of everything I had with my old P5WDH but here's what I got..you'll just have to trust me I'm afraid.

Boot : While the actual Raid performance in booting is apx the same, judging by the 1.5 cycles of the XP 'blue bar' (scientific I know:P) the very slow post/detecting of drives etc of the P5WDH doubled the boot time from power on to getting into windows. This is with the exact same setup as before with the exact same applications loading at startup. I have heard that the P5WDH ich7r is however slightly faster than the NV raid solution but in real world applications is unoticable.

Gaming : Both setups were using a 7950gx2 clocked at 600/800 with the cpu @ 3.7 and the FEAR time demo was faster in ALL tests with the 680i albeit by a small margin (680i was faster by 4 fps (minimum) - sorry but thats all I can remember regarding the gaming tests as I was eager to use my new 8800GTX:) .

3d Mark06 : P5WDH vs 680i (10420 vs 10550), again using a 7950gx2 with system clocks the same. Small difference but a difference nonetheless.

FSB and memory have already been discussed and (imo) are linked to one another as my FSB on the P5WDH was limited due to the limited memory timings available on that board. The 680i has more options for timings aswell as running the memory unlinked which helps a great deal, especially if you don't have uber ram, which in turn can isolate any limits the ram puts on your overclock allowing for a greater cpu overclock. I never bothered finding the 'max fsb of the P5WDH for the simple reason I would find that pointless as I would be wanting to run my e6600 with a 9x multi rather than a 6x for the highest cpu overclock. The highest I could get the p5w to was 417x9 which was SP stable but not orthos, the highest orthos stable being 411x9. Again this was possibly down to memory config rather than the motherboard but unfortunately it is the board that is at fault because of the memory sub timings (or lack of). This was at 1.6v on water btw. The 680i is currently running at 1688(422) and is orthos stable(albeit 4 hours) with 1.58v. I couldn't even reach that speed with 1.65v on the P5WDH let alone run orthos for any length of time!

It does sound like I'm knocking the P5WDH, that wasn't my intention as both boards have there merits and problems and are equally very good boards indeed. I'm simply stating that with MY setup, MY experience of using BOTH boards and my limited knowledge of oc'ing the 680i is an all round better performing board. I can't says its better or worse than the P5bdeluxe as the one I had was FUBAR so it wouldn't be a fair comparison, I'll leave that to someone who has good experience of the P5bdlx and 680i to compare.

Hope that helped and sorry for the lack of 'evidence' per say.

**edit** must update my sig otherwise this could get confusing lol

Ic3man
11-22-2006, 12:39 PM
Well, I mostly agree with you Iceman except for 2 things:

- FSB isn't better on the 680i. My same setup was Orthos stable @525fsb 1:1 (4GB @525Mhz @2.4V). Now, I'm limited to 458fsb and even at 458, it doesn't always boot.

Are you referring to a P5WDH or P5bdlx? 525fsb would be extremely rare on a P5WDH or any 975 based chipset afaik. If that WAS with a P5WDH then you get a big :clap: from me:slobber:

rick_fx
11-22-2006, 01:09 PM
Are you referring to a P5WDH or P5bdlx? 525fsb would be extremely rare on a P5WDH or any 975 based chipset afaik. If that WAS with a P5WDH then you get a big :clap: from me:slobber:

Sorry, P5B-deluxe. ;)

Dont get me wrong, I dont expect all the 680i's to do 525fsb, but only 450fsb on a very high-end board is not acceptable. They should have postponed the release a little while and worked out the bios bugs before it was released. :)

Just my :2cents:

bazx
11-22-2006, 01:16 PM
can anyone tell me where bios files for this m/b can be found

OBR
11-22-2006, 01:24 PM
can anyone tell me where bios files for this m/b can be found

Manufacturer`s home page?

bazx
11-22-2006, 01:33 PM
Manufacturer`s home page?

ya,d think

been all over it and all i can find is drivers

|SiLA|
11-22-2006, 01:49 PM
guys any ETA for abit or dfi 680i?

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-22-2006, 02:20 PM
Your joking right, with my P5B DLX, i couldnt get anything higher than 520, with this board im at 600mhz = ddr 1200 with 2.425 volts and 5-4-4-12 timings, so please dont post stupid comments because you cant overclock your memory. :slap:I know how to overclock my ram i reached higher clocks on the P5B deluxe compared to the 680i. and i also got higher fsb on the p5b.


These are only estimates from memory

p5b 4-4-4-8 555mhz 2.45v
p5b 5-5-5-15 580mhz 2.45v

680i 4-4-4-8 540mhz 2.5v
680i 5-5-5-15 572mhz 2.5v

Ic3man
11-22-2006, 02:24 PM
ya,d think

been all over it and all i can find is drivers

The P20 bios is n the evga website

http://www.evga.com/support/drivers

Mainboard>bios updates>intel NF68

The beta bios that solves the sli+sound issue is on the evga forum.

OBR
11-22-2006, 02:26 PM
ya,d think

been all over it and all i can find is drivers

check evga.com again, there is P20 bios ....

bazx
11-22-2006, 02:29 PM
The P20 bios is n the evga website

http://www.evga.com/support/drivers

Mainboard>bios updates>intel NF68

The beta bios that solves the sli+sound issue is on the evga forum.

thanks guys :)

GAR
11-22-2006, 02:42 PM
Just reached DDR 1280

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8195/ddr640xs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

steve4king
11-22-2006, 03:09 PM
How hot is it safe for the mcp to get?
Here's my temps after a few hours of benching and gaming:
http://xs209.xs.to/xs209/06472/hotmcp.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs209&d=06472&f=hotmcp.jpg)

I would be VERY concerned about >90c

This was my biggest concern with this chipset. Asus put a lot of money making a big ugly passive cooling solution to keep the chipset and voltage regs cool. Without active air cooling over the CPU or some other fan blowing on their heat sinks this could all get quite hot.

Dumo
11-22-2006, 03:17 PM
Heres 3-3-3-autos/704 and 4-4-4-autos/1006 with Team Xtreem 6400C3....

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5203/screenshot128am5.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9797/screenshot127xj2.jpg

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Just reached DDR 1280


I just did my first test since the new p20 beta flashed by bios. I can boot into windows at 600mhz 5-4-4-15 2T 2.45v but not stable at those volts.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=140310

palese
11-22-2006, 05:32 PM
I just received Corsair 6400C3D today and only one stick will boot, if I try to run pair I get a C1 error, one stick will boot ok but the other one gives me C1 error. Any ideas:confused:

Dumo
11-22-2006, 05:53 PM
3D...

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9412/screenshot129ug9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9532/screenshot130fa5.jpg

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-22-2006, 06:39 PM
623mhz 5-4-4-15 2T 2.5v

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5702/3333333ia7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

zakelwe
11-22-2006, 11:24 PM
This board is a mystery. With a Xeon 3060 (E6600), 32M (not to mention dual 32M) results are horrendous. I could also see other folks getting around 14 ~15 mins at CPU frequency 3.6~3.8GHz. Switching to E6400 got me 13 mins 48 secs. Sandra bandwidth is even more ridiculous. :confused:

Maybe BIOS isn't tuned to 4MB cache chips yet?

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7456/680i32msandrarz3.png (http://imageshack.us)

That is very interesting. My X6800 also puts up terrible SuperPi results which runs minutes slower than it did for 32M on 975.

I think BIOS revisions will be the only hope for a fix for this.

Regards

Andy

zakelwe
11-22-2006, 11:31 PM
Also, has there been a fix yet for the ntune problem not being able to set the FSB correctly ?

Regards
Andy

htltwb
11-22-2006, 11:52 PM
i have a evga 680i and can overclock to 1900 fsb every easy but it seem like the fan header next to the i/o panel doesnt work. I was wondering if i am the only one with this problem because i am thinking of returning it and get one that works. I worry though that the new mb wont oc as well as this one. any thoughts will be helpful.

damnnit
11-22-2006, 11:58 PM
My fan header was down on this board until I attached a fan to the cpu header first. Try that if you havent.

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-23-2006, 04:33 AM
is any one getting a loud beep and C1 error?

dinos22
11-23-2006, 04:42 AM
That is very interesting. My X6800 also puts up terrible SuperPi results which runs minutes slower than it did for 32M on 975.

I think BIOS revisions will be the only hope for a fix for this.

Regards

Andy
time Lopri posted is decent for Allendale

Pt1t
11-23-2006, 04:49 AM
after evga, i m going to test that tonight :D

http://users.skynet.be/pt1t/Asus_Striker/back.jpg

dinos22
11-23-2006, 04:54 AM
that cooling is very funky :D

icon57
11-23-2006, 05:09 AM
is there any gas in those pipes? i would think you need some fans blowing over some of those fins...

vmsein
11-23-2006, 05:52 AM
I just received Corsair 6400C3D today and only one stick will boot, if I try to run pair I get a C1 error, one stick will boot ok but the other one gives me C1 error. Any ideas:confused:
You may have received a bad memory stick. Perhaps it's RMA time:(

sadcat1
11-23-2006, 06:38 AM
I guarantee you that a C1 hex code(long beep) with two sticks of ram is a bad board. I had that. I replaced board the. same, so I replaced the ram. No help. Third board, both sets of ram work. Easy as pie. With mine even a single stick of ram did not work in either right side slot. Either stick worked in the left hand slots. Running again now, but have new ram I don't need.

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-23-2006, 06:47 AM
I guarantee you that a C1 hex code(long beep) with two sticks of ram is a bad board. I had that. I replaced board the. same, so I replaced the ram. No help. Third board, both sets of ram work. Easy as pie. With mine even a single stick of ram did not work in either right side slot. Either stick worked in the left hand slots. Running again now, but have new ram I don't need.
i get the C1 with long beep with 1 stick as well.

Badge56
11-23-2006, 07:43 AM
Also, has there been a fix yet for the ntune problem not being able to set the FSB correctly ?

Regards
Andy

My Ntune just disaperes if I click manual configuration.... Useless application !!
Any idea?:stick:

gabriel_e78
11-23-2006, 08:26 AM
My Ntune just disaperes if I click manual configuration.... Useless application !!
Any idea?:stick:

Yes, you must change your country settings to ENGLISH (US)...

Unbelivable that Nvidia did't fix this yet...

billdavis
11-23-2006, 08:34 AM
Anyone know where the vdimm and vcore measure points are on this board

and are there any nb/sb temp monitoring tools for this board
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lopri
11-23-2006, 09:31 AM
People with memory stick causing C1 error in the debug code, boot the board with working stick(s) then configure your settings first. Play around for 5 mins and set a comfortable configuration for the working stick(s) and up the Vdimm a bit. Now clean the non-working stick with alcohol and air-dry it thoroughly.

Insert the non-working stick with a working stick. Tada. It should work now!

palese
11-23-2006, 09:42 AM
People with memory stick causing C1 error in the debug code, boot the board with working stick(s) then configure your settings first. Play around for 5 mins and set a comfortable configuration for the working stick(s) and up the Vdimm a bit. Now clean the non-working stick with alcohol and air-dry it thoroughly.

Insert the non-working stick with a working stick. Tada. It should work now!

Thanks lopri I gave it a shot but still did not work, I think my stick is bad for sure.

One thing that I am confused on, when I run Everest benchmark for Read, Write, Copy, Latency, I do fine with Latency but the rest blows, I would never have thought this with this ram. When I bump up the FSB my Latency shoots to the top on the benchmark but everything else suffers, If I do not OC my benchmarks on this ram is poor. Im running it at about 850MHz @ 3.4.3.9 cpu@3.3Ghz with 300.0 FSB

Thanks.

lopri
11-23-2006, 10:21 AM
Clean the contact with alcohol, if I need to rma will the cleaning with alcohol be a problem?
Absolutely no. :) I had the same C1 problem with one of my sticks. I first thought my stick was defective because I didn't have a problem booting with my other pair. (Both pairs are exact same model, same batch)

After playing a bit with the working pair, I used canned air to blow any dirt away from the sticks and the slots. I also configured the BIOS settings to what I wanted (including Vdimm). Shut down the machine and inserted the problematic sticks, then it worked flawlessly ever since.

lopri
11-23-2006, 10:47 AM
Thanks lopri I gave it a shot but still did not work, I think my stick is bad for sure.

One thing that I am confused on, when I run Everest benchmark for Read, Write, Copy, Latency, I do fine with Latency but the rest blows, I would never have thought this with this ram. When I bump up the FSB my Latency shoots to the top on the benchmark but everything else suffers, If I do not OC my benchmarks on this ram is poor. Im running it at about 850MHz @ 3.4.3.9 cpu@3.3Ghz with 300.0 FSB

Thanks.
There could be many reasons. I had a similar experience with Sandra where it used to give me half the bandwidth of 975X. In my case the problem was either NV IDE driver (not likely) or the Sandra itself. Uninstalled and installed a newer version, and problem was fixed.

What version of Everest are you running? Can you post a screenshot? Make sure it's at least Ver.3.

palese
11-23-2006, 11:14 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7595/readvf8.th.gif (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readvf8.gif)

Sorry as you can see I have no idea what I am doing, here is an example.

hot_fifty
11-23-2006, 11:28 AM
conroe do not have so much BW, but it dosent really need it. Just pure cpu power

lopri
11-23-2006, 11:33 AM
Are you running with 1 stick? Then you're losing the advantage of dual-channel so the score would make sense.

sadcat1
11-23-2006, 11:42 AM
I can tell you in my case no sticks work in the right slots, all sticks work in the left slots and when a stick is put in either right slot,I get C1 and a long beep.

X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
11-23-2006, 01:32 PM
could it be evga'a board that is killing ram? because here is another report from some one with 2 bad sticks.




Originally posted by linflas
and I have 2 GB of Gskill sitting on my desk waiting for an RMA number because one stick I know for sure has gone to the ******per, and another that I do not trust now, back to corsair for me, as soon as I get new one's back from RMA the gskill goes on ebay, and I get some better corsair stuff

palese
11-23-2006, 02:05 PM
Are you running with 1 stick? Then you're losing the advantage of dual-channel so the score would make sense.

Yes the other bit the dust:(

nugzo
11-23-2006, 02:21 PM
Just a thought about the poor Super Pi times...... Could the SATA/RAID issues with this board be slowin SP down? I get the RAID error pop-up frequently on my RAID 5 storage disk. when i get this error the system is slow to respond. That cant be good if the OS is freakin out over RAID errors when its tryin to do teh Pi.

palese
11-23-2006, 04:15 PM
I hope nvidia is working hard on a new bios and soon, only hope left is DFI . :fact: