Laser Mouse: solid, reliable, affordable [Archive]

turbox997

10-22-2006, 12:33 AM

My optical blue MS intellimouse is broken, basically the left button is wanky, won't click 90% of the time. Anyways, I'm looking to purchase a new mouse. I thought this time I'd go Laser, use it on any surface, etc.

Any recommedations?

Here's the preferences:

-$50 give or take
-corded(I hate dealing with batteries)
-reliable(got any reviews? any personal feedback?..I'd definately like to know :D )

I was looking at the G5 and the Razer Copperhead's. But honestly I like the uni-hand design better than the conformed single right hand designs(G5). But oh well, just wondering what other XS members use, nobody ever talks about their mouse on here...lol...probably because we can't overclock them, ;) (edited for correction: you can overclock them, or atleast the USB port, haha)

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edit (update 12/16/06)

I have the Logitech G5 now, it's alrite of a mouse but admittingly I'm not blown away. Interestingly enough there is a great thorough review on gaming mice that I wanted to throw into this thread and it can be found here:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679

The results may or may not surprise you in certain aspects, let's just say though, you don't always pay for what you get...more dpi doesn't always equal more performance either according to the review.

Goodluck and hope this thread helps anyone out there who's in the market!

dig412

10-22-2006, 01:46 AM

Bit of plugging, but this review was written by my mate, and he loves it to bits:
http://www.412reviews.com/home/logitech_g5_laser_optical_mouse_review/

ANP !!!

10-22-2006, 03:02 AM

I use a Razer CH.. n Simply Love it. I had a G5 before, but it gave me a slow pain in my hand in long CS n COD sessions (>3-4hrs). It was good tho. But i would personally get a CH over a G5, since its very comfortable and yeahhhh it looks Gooddd

LIQUIDHERION

10-22-2006, 03:46 AM

go to walgreens, pick up the 12 buck light mouse made by ge. it works, its cheap.

Soulburner

10-22-2006, 06:40 AM

Logitech MX1000. It is wireless, but you don't ever see the battery because it is not replaceable.

One_Hertz

10-22-2006, 08:41 AM

Logitech MX1000. It is wireless, but you don't ever see the battery because it is not replaceable.

He clearly said he wants corded and the battery in that is replaceable.

Another vote for Razer copperhead. I also had a G5 and bought the CH to try it out and never went back to the G5 again. G5 is more comfortable but the copperhead is better for gaming.

Serra

10-22-2006, 01:40 PM

I know you stated you wanted laser, but I might suggest the MX 518 "gaming-grade" optical mouse instead. It can do up to 1600dpi if you need, it's corded, it's comfortable, and I personally love the positioning of the buttons.

[XC] Angstrom

10-22-2006, 01:50 PM

+1 for Copperhead, a little more than $50 but worth it.

mnewxcv

10-22-2006, 02:06 PM

mx510 here, and love it, so im going to suggest anything logitech, g6, mx518, etc

turbox997

10-23-2006, 01:52 AM

Sweet thanks to all who have posted!!!

BTW, for those of you who voted for the Copperhead and have one, is it reliable? I only ask because newegg reviews(for what they are worth) have several people complaining about how it died on them after a year or so.

Also, my bad, I think I meant to say diamondback for $50 mouse..although I'm sure I saw the CH at such prices on special deals and sales that I've missed out on...=[

[XC] Angstrom

10-23-2006, 05:26 AM

My copperhead did indeed die after a short while (laser died), but they sent me a free replacement with no hassle. The one I have now has been working perfectly. It most certainly didn't change my opinion of the product. Keep in mind that the mouse operates at very high settings (2000dpi 500Hz for mine).

Diamondback is also very good and very reliable, but I much prefer the CH (mostly for the shape and material).

ANP !!!

10-23-2006, 06:16 AM

+2 For the Copperhead.. I also Advise a Copperhead. (read my first post :slap:)

turbox997

10-23-2006, 01:14 PM

Ok I think I'm pretty sold on the CH! Man, I kick myself for not ordering it when I saw it online for like $37.XX!!!

turbox997

10-23-2006, 02:21 PM

+2 For the Copperhead.. I also Advise a Copperhead. (read my first post :slap:)

Hey nice pending Rig, I just took the time to read your signature, that'll be one beast machine.

:toast:

WeStSiDePLaYa

10-23-2006, 08:53 PM

my vote is for the G5.

i just recently got the G7, and its been so great. its good if you have big hands.

the copperhead has tiny little teflon feet like regular mice that wear out quickly. but ive never liked the ch, just looks too tacky.

nn_step

10-23-2006, 08:56 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104191

afireinside

10-23-2006, 09:01 PM

wireless sucks, skip it.

I went from an MX518 to a copperhead and I'll never go back. Damn best mouse I've ever used. Mine developed a cable disconnect/reconnect issue after about 6 months and transporting it to a LAN in my backpack (not a bright idea) but their RMA was quick and easy.

Soulburner

10-24-2006, 01:45 AM

wireless sucks, skip it.
Sounds like someone hasn't used a good wireless mouse?

Nephilim

10-24-2006, 01:58 AM

I went from an MX1000 to a copperhead, mine has been flawless, on the fly sensitivity settings and the big buttons are a plus :)

Nothing wrong with the MX1000 though, a great mouse in my opinion... anyone want to buy it? :p:

All I can say is get a good mouse pad, it's almost as important as a good mouse. Even though these laser mice can track on a glass desk, a mousepad makes it far more smoothe effective.

JoeBar

10-24-2006, 01:01 PM

Sounds like someone hasn't used a good wireless mouse?
Indeed... ;)

afireinside

10-24-2006, 01:12 PM

Sounds like someone hasn't used a good wireless mouse?

Sounds like someone isn't a serious gamer. Wireless lags, period. If you either don't game or just play casually, who cares. I can tell a difference. And yes I've used all the "good" ones, they're heavy lagging crap.

Magnj

10-24-2006, 01:16 PM

mx518. Stay away from wireless if your serious about gaming. Batteries are annoying.

turbox997

10-24-2006, 03:36 PM

mx518. Stay away from wireless if your serious about gaming. Batteries are annoying.

edit: clarification, I don't hate wireless mice, and I don't doubt their are awesome ones out there, but I'm leaning more towards a corded one.

I kind of agree, I've used tons of wireless mice before, infact I'm on one right now(but its a laptop one), I don't like dealing with batteries, and the occasional lag/drop of connection annoys the heck out of me.

btw that's interesting you mention the mx518, I'll look into it, but do you think the G5 would be a better buy for only a few bucks more

I still didn't order my copperhead yet, admittingly I'm leaning more towards it, but thats not to say I won't consider a G5 as well..heck maybe I'll buy both, one now, then the other later, lol...after all, being an XS member, I do have more than one computer ;)

Sparky

10-24-2006, 04:15 PM

I'm still using my trusty old MX500. Have had it for over 2 years, bought it used. Left button is finally going weird on me tho, gonna need replaced :( Double-clicks sometimes when I only click once and it has lost its spring so it is alot harder to rapidly click in gaming.

My friend has a G5 it is a good mouse but there are a few things I don't like about it. It only has 1 button on the side - I use the 2 buttons on my MX500 all the time - and the cord is a braided material of some sort. Looks cool at first but it twists and catches on stuff easier than a standard cord. After a while the little twists and kinks make it look crappy and it catches even more since it isn't straight.

Quest_7F

10-24-2006, 04:50 PM

Razer Daimondback is great and not expensive

Serra

10-25-2006, 07:53 AM

Sounds like someone isn't a serious gamer. Wireless lags, period. If you either don't game or just play casually, who cares. I can tell a difference. And yes I've used all the "good" ones, they're heavy lagging crap.

I'm not going to claim to be a serious gamer of any kind, that's for sure... but given mice like the G7 which sends 500 results/second (which is actually slow compared to other high-end wireless mice), how on Earth could they have any form of lag you could see? Your visual acuitiy can't process movement at a fifth that speed and your monitor does not even refresh often enough to display the mouse position at every poll time. Are you *sure* you're not just biased against them?

And as far as batteries go, I can get about 10+ hours out of the battery for the G7 before I have to replace it with the second battery you get with it (which, being a pop-out/pop-in Li-Ion cartridge style, takes ~5 seconds).

turbox997

10-25-2006, 08:50 AM

Razer Daimondback is great and not expensive

Actually for about $10 or so more I can get either the CH or G5, hence it's not that much of a savings. However I will agree with you that it is a great mouse, my cousin has one and I used it, definately a great mouse, but again, for just a little bit more money you can get something considered better.

Soulburner

10-25-2006, 02:05 PM

Sounds like someone isn't a serious gamer. Wireless lags, period. If you either don't game or just play casually, who cares. I can tell a difference. And yes I've used all the "good" ones, they're heavy lagging crap.
Wierd, my MX1000 doesn't lag. I think though that when the battery does finally go, which I expect to be a long time (1.5 years now and still going like it was new) I will look at the mice mentioned in this thread. But until then there is nothing wrong with it at all.

turbox997

10-25-2006, 04:30 PM

NEW MOUSE HAS CAUGHT ATTENTION!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104210&ATT=26-104-210&CMP=OTC-Froogle

I was not aware that logitech had made a G3 laser mouse, it has a toggle control directly on the mouse for dpi resolution, it is also ambidextrous just like razer CH. Another interesting feature is that it claims to have a "dry hand" material for prolonged use, no more sweaty hands from intense gaming, lol.

afireinside

10-25-2006, 05:27 PM

G3 looks nice, only one side button though. My brother has a diamondback and it just feels cheap compared to the copperhead. Drivers suck and shouldn't be installed. Side buttons are 1 piece and you push them forward or back.

LagunaX

10-25-2006, 05:31 PM

wireless is a pain in the :banana: :banana: :banana: with the lag and battery changes.

razer diamondback limited edition plasma - it's beautiful and works great, though only 1600dpi vs. 2000 - but hey, if your keyboard lights blue, your desktop lights blue, then your mouse must light blue too, lol...:cool:

turbox997

10-25-2006, 11:01 PM

Arg this is getting tough. I have a gut feeling that both will be on some sort of clearance soon for newer models...

$46 shipped for G5

$55 shipped for CH

It's about due time for it. And I know I saw the CH for like $37 at tiger direct a couple of weeks ago.

Yay for Cheese

10-25-2006, 11:12 PM

Is this wireless lag only for mice or also for keyboards too?

Bbq

10-26-2006, 12:26 AM

You obviously haven't used a good wireless before.. My mx 1000 picks up as fast as a wired. Just toss the mouse into the charging stand at night and you're set with no dead batteries ever. It's the smoothest thing ever, absolutely no lag, it's unbeatable.

if you MUST have wired, g5.

dab420

10-26-2006, 12:36 AM

I have mx510, mx518, had about a half dozen other logitech's, and I have a G3 in the mail. I'll let you know how I like it soon, however for now it's 518 ftw.

Soulburner

10-26-2006, 01:50 AM

Is this wireless lag only for mice or also for keyboards too?
My keyboard that comes with the MX1000 is a bit slower than a wired one. That took some getting used to. However you don't notice that the mouse isn't on a cord.

dig412

10-26-2006, 02:43 AM

Ooh, i like the look of the G3...

One_Hertz

10-26-2006, 03:17 AM

wireless mice DO lag, its quite noticable. Same thing with the 60fps thing, some people cant see any difference while others like me find it unplayable.

I had an mx1000 before and I couldn't stand it... Perhaps the G7 is better but I doubt it... It better be a lot better to be considered as a serious gaming mouse.

WeStSiDePLaYa

10-26-2006, 03:24 AM

i think all of these people are victims of the placebo effect.

because tell me, what is more likely, that these people all have amazingly fast, almost super human reflexs and visual accuity when it comes to gaming only.

OR

that the placebo effect occurs and their common beliefs dictate their "results"

DTU_XaVier

10-26-2006, 04:38 AM

If you want a cheap backup-mouse (in case your laser-mouse should, against all odds, fail), then this one will do the trick nicely:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826123003
I have a similar mouse (mine has an extra button that presses the left mousebutton 3 times with one click :p:)(1000dpi), and even at the low price, it's great!... Not quite on par with my deseased Intellimouse Explorer 4, but much! better than the one I used in between the two :)
Also, the high-class mouse of the manufacturer (laser) is getting great reviews at the egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826123020
I'm getting a little irritated that I didn't buy that one, here in Denmark it's no more than 40$ :)

Best Regards :toast:

Serra

10-26-2006, 06:18 AM

dab420

10-26-2006, 10:26 AM

turbox997

10-26-2006, 12:09 PM

I got my G3, it does have 2 side buttons. 1 is on each side; left is back (web browser) and right is forward. :) I like it so far, I'll game it a bit before i lay a final verdict though. Feel is very natural and the shape is alot like that of DB and CH.

Thanks for the update, yeah I was about to say that it kind of resembled the DB and CH by looking at the pics. Would you mind if I asked how much it cost? I've seen it around at etailers for $40.

JoeBar

10-26-2006, 12:19 PM

My keyboard that comes with the MX1000 is a bit slower than a wired one. That took some getting used to. However you don't notice that the mouse isn't on a cord.
I have a Logitech MX3000 keyboard with MX600 laser mouse (same engine as MX1000). Mouse isn't laggy at all (at least for my human reflexes... :p: ). Keyboard is very responsive also. To be honest the only real lazy wireless keyboard i've encountered was MS bluetooth set.
i think all of these people are victims of the placebo effect.

because tell me, what is more likely, that these people all have amazingly fast, almost super human reflexs and visual accuity when it comes to gaming only.

OR

that the placebo effect occurs and their common beliefs dictate their "results"
QFT! :fact:

Noob-ftw

10-26-2006, 12:35 PM

I have the MX518 and it's teh pwn!

Terru

10-26-2006, 01:42 PM

turbox997

10-26-2006, 03:41 PM

turbox997, you can still fix your MS mouse. The reason it is not clicking 90% of the time is because the plastic button connected to the mouses PCB has worn a groove. This has happened to 3 of my cheap logitech mice, its just from hard use (Stealing loot in Diablo 2, say).

All you have to do to fix it, is take it apart and put a tiny piece of magic tape, rolled up double sided on the button, and put it back together. It does nto have to be magic tape, as long as you get rid of the groove.

Hope this helps!

Terru, very interesting you mention this, I actually thought that my mouse might be fixable as well, but I didn't both trying to find out how to take it a part. Other than just sticking in flat head screw drivers here and there to pry things open(no screw holes anywhere to be seen).

Having said that it's about time I got a good mouse anyways...the mouse was just ok for office use and just barely ok for gaming. Plus the optical sensor was horrible on most surfaces, skipped a lot.

But thanks a lot for the input I will try to take it a part anyways.

:toast:

edit: UPDATE, after examining it for a bit, it appears I have to remove the 4 feet to unscrew the top off...still working on it

dab420

10-26-2006, 03:53 PM

Thanks for the update, yeah I was about to say that it kind of resembled the DB and CH by looking at the pics. Would you mind if I asked how much it cost? I've seen it around at etailers for $40.

I got my G3 Mouse for $64.99 CDN. I played some CS for a while, and the mouse felt great, if a little bit small after the mx518. I'm liking it, feels very smooth during gameplay. Too bad my internet connection is giving me a hard time today.. :rolleyes:

Magnj

10-26-2006, 04:31 PM

go pick up a logitech mouse and then pickup one of those razer mice and then tell me your willing to spend 50$ on a Razer or Copperhead. They feel cheap...

rick_fx

10-26-2006, 04:37 PM

Get a MX1000. Never had a problem with it in over a year now and the button layout is nice also.

vowkilmer

10-26-2006, 06:03 PM

My personal timeline of Gaming Mice.

MX500---> MX510---> MX518---> G5----> Copperhead----> MX518

I would recommend 500 level Logitech depending on cash flow.

turbox997

10-27-2006, 11:54 AM

go pick up a logitech mouse and then pickup one of those razer mice and then tell me your willing to spend 50$ on a Razer or Copperhead. They feel cheap...

Magnj, I'm assuming you're talking about the Razer when you say, "Razer or Copperhead"...as in the Logitech is better quality than the CH? I wouldn't know.

And also, looking at the mx518, I like the shape of it better than the G5, I know that they are similar but the mx518 looks more sleek, less bulkier I guess. I have some things to attend to but by the end of the night, if newegg has it for the same price still, I'll probably just go ahead and order the G5 for now.

If and when the mx518 goes on a big sale I'll get that too...but since it's only a few dollars less than the G5, I'm going with the G5, seems to have alil more technology to offer, not to mention the power of laser(I don't use mouse pads, just a sheet of white paper taped to my desktop, or my desktop). I am also curious about the CH as well, but I'll go with the G5 first, and again if I see the CH on sale again I'll take that as oppurtunity.

I'm a little tight on cash so if I buy something once, I want to try to buy it right for now..until I have some more money to blow off, ;)

nattoNrice

10-28-2006, 04:22 AM

And as far as batteries go, I can get about 10+ hours out of the battery for the G7 before I have to replace it with the second battery you get with it (which, being a pop-out/pop-in Li-Ion cartridge style, takes ~5 seconds).

this is the best thing about the g7. I used to hate having to ditch the mouse in the cradle. now i just swap packs. its good since one battery is always ready way before the other is on the way out :)

aiya

10-28-2006, 12:03 PM

i've had my G3 for a good 2 months now. great mouse over all. i have big hands (i'm 6'1) but i'm use to it. it replaced my tired but true MX310. i mouse using my finger tips rather than having my palm resting on the mouse. the 'stay-dry' texture is also a plus. i don't use the dpi switching part of it so i can't comment on that.

i've tried diamondback, copperhead, G5 and MX1000. out of those i like the G5 but i wanted 2 side buttons instead of 1. so i got the G3.

afireinside

10-31-2006, 07:05 PM

go pick up a logitech mouse and then pickup one of those razer mice and then tell me your willing to spend 50$ on a Razer or Copperhead. They feel cheap...

I paid 70 for my copperhead IIRC and I don't regret it one bit. I used logitech mouses for over 3 years and I certainly wouldn't call the razer "cheap".

i think all of these people are victims of the placebo effect.

because tell me, what is more likely, that these people all have amazingly fast, almost super human reflexs and visual accuity when it comes to gaming only.

I must have "super human visual "accuity"" then because I play cod2 and I could tell between 60, 125, and 333 fps in seconds and it's NOT placebo effect.

WeStSiDePLaYa

10-31-2006, 07:08 PM

I paid 70 for my copperhead IIRC and I don't regret it one bit. I used logitech mouses for over 3 years and I certainly wouldn't call the razer "cheap".

I must have "super human visual "accuity"" then because I play cod2 and I could tell between 60, 125, and 333 fps in seconds and it's NOT placebo effect.

and how could you tell the difference? besides you already knowing which is the faster frames.

afireinside

10-31-2006, 07:12 PM

Magnj

10-31-2006, 07:32 PM

afireinside

10-31-2006, 07:45 PM

Blame WSP, he's trying to bring some placebo BS into this when it's clearly not placebo.

I thought the MX518 was "perfect" as well until I spent 8 months with the copperhead and attempted using the MX518 for a week while waiting for RMA.

Serra

11-01-2006, 08:45 AM

Nope, blind test I'd tell. I'll use 125 as the baseline as that is considered the "ideal" fps in the q3 engine. That's where jumping works best and stuff. 333 works the same as 125. 60 feels like slow motion after playing at 125. Going from 333 to 125 makes turning feel jerky and less smooth.

I have 333 and 125 fps binded to two keys and I play 125 on some maps where I can't hit 333 constant so I need 125 to make all the jumps. If I forget to set it back I notice very quickly next time I play.

I call BS.

Because I don't know your monitor type, I'll have to explain why for each type.

CRT: Refresh rate: 60-85Hz (common).
-> Is it capable of even displaying @ 125 FPS? Nope. Given the screen only refreshes 60-85 times per second (again, commonly), that's a physical impossibility.

LCD:
Max FPS:
12ms = 83.333 max FPS
8 ms = 125 max FPS*
4 ms = 250 max FPS*
2 ms = 500 max FPS*
*Note 1: I havn't yet seen an LCD that does a true black-to-black 2ms and extremely few 4ms screens do a black-to-black either. Grey-to-grey is just a cheat for higher numbers without matching quality, so unless you can tell me your monitor is one of the few that can display at a TRUE 4/2ms (and back it up by giving the model type and some form of proof that they don't do grey-to-grey testing... some companies say black-to-black and still only do greyscale), I'm taking it as 8ms (a *solid* 8ms, true black-to-black w/ no noticable ghosting).
Edit: *Note 2: This is also of course assuming that your monitor is receiving power for refreshes at any give Hz rate you want, which is afaik less than all three of these numbers

So given that your LCD monitor (at least 95+% of them out there) can handle AT MOST 125 FPS with CRTs at 85ish (common, but can increase), please explain to me how you can see the difference between 125 and 333fps AFI.

Out of curiosity though, not being a gamer in any capacity I have to ask you how it is that you change your FPS in-game? I'm assuming you aren't underclocking your video card to get 125 FPS, and a ~150% OC seems crazy to me, so what method are you using? Resolution drop? Removal of things like AA/AF? Because I could imagine changing the way you have asked the game to report images to you could indeed change your perception of the game (it just makes sense).

turbox997

12-07-2006, 05:54 PM

Hate to bring this thread back to life, but I finally ordered a Logitech G5.

After going back and forth between that and the Razer Copperhead(I almost purchased it at the store), I opted for the G5.

Deciding factors?
a.) price, @ buy.com = $33.43 shipped w/ gco
b.) "durability", claimed to last 8 million clicks, not sure how true that is, but if they brag about it, it should mean something.

--------

Having done this though, does not leave the Razer Copperhead out of the question, I may purchase that as well later down the road, compare the two, not to mention, who doesn't need a spare mouse anyways? Later down the road I will be building my fresh quadcore rig from the ground up, ;)

Thanks again to all who have participated, and I hope this thread has helped anyone else who has been trying to find out which Laser gaming mouse is best for them.

Sparky

12-07-2006, 05:58 PM

Well my MX500 lasted for millions of clicks considering I've had it for 2+ years and I got it used from someone who used it for a good year before that. I just recently replaced the buttons inside it - I'm too cheap to buy a new mouse :p:

So if that is any comparison your new G5 should last you quite a while :)

003

12-07-2006, 07:53 PM

Hope I'm not to late but I want to let you guys know that as of now laser mice are inferior to infrared optical. For very detailed information on this see here:
http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132620

And here:
http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/137100-dpi-sensitivity-im-so-confused.html

afireinside

12-07-2006, 08:05 PM

Out of curiosity though, not being a gamer in any capacity I have to ask you how it is that you change your FPS in-game?

I have the fps cap command binded to 2 keys so I can change the cap from 125 to 333.

Hope I'm not to late but I want to let you guys know that as of now laser mice are inferior to infrared optical. For very detailed information on this see here:
http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132620

And here:
http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/137100-dpi-sensitivity-im-so-confused.html

Wow... It always felt like something was up with the sensitivity but I never knew what it was until now. Time to preorder a deathadder then.

Soulburner

12-08-2006, 01:40 AM

Guys I would like to add to the MX1000 comments. Mine was always an instant response with my CRT monitor.

However, with my new LCD, I now get mouse lag like some people commented on. I'd be willing to bet that if you go back and see what monitor people are running, you would see a pattern.

Does anyone know if installing the Logitech software will make the mouse faster (higher refresh maybe)? Just a thought.

Turtle 1

12-08-2006, 03:37 AM

I to would vote for the razor mouse. But which one not sure. Here is a nice review.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/12/07/Gaming_Mouse_Group_Test/1.html

I feel you made a good choice. Its pretty hard to say this or that mouse is the best. Of all the PC hardware the mouse may be the most subjective and personnel.

Asazman

12-08-2006, 06:29 PM

my microsoft comfort optical mouse 3000 is awesome, pretty cheap too.

biohead

12-08-2006, 10:22 PM

I call BS.

Because I don't know your monitor type, I'll have to explain why for each type.

CRT: Refresh rate: 60-85Hz (common).
-> Is it capable of even displaying @ 125 FPS? Nope. Given the screen only refreshes 60-85 times per second (again, commonly), that's a physical impossibility.

LCD:
Max FPS:
12ms = 83.333 max FPS
8 ms = 125 max FPS*
4 ms = 250 max FPS*
2 ms = 500 max FPS*
*Note 1: I havn't yet seen an LCD that does a true black-to-black 2ms and extremely few 4ms screens do a black-to-black either. Grey-to-grey is just a cheat for higher numbers without matching quality, so unless you can tell me your monitor is one of the few that can display at a TRUE 4/2ms (and back it up by giving the model type and some form of proof that they don't do grey-to-grey testing... some companies say black-to-black and still only do greyscale), I'm taking it as 8ms (a *solid* 8ms, true black-to-black w/ no noticable ghosting).
Edit: *Note 2: This is also of course assuming that your monitor is receiving power for refreshes at any give Hz rate you want, which is afaik less than all three of these numbers

So given that your LCD monitor (at least 95+% of them out there) can handle AT MOST 125 FPS with CRTs at 85ish (common, but can increase), please explain to me how you can see the difference between 125 and 333fps AFI.

Out of curiosity though, not being a gamer in any capacity I have to ask you how it is that you change your FPS in-game? I'm assuming you aren't underclocking your video card to get 125 FPS, and a ~150% OC seems crazy to me, so what method are you using? Resolution drop? Removal of things like AA/AF? Because I could imagine changing the way you have asked the game to report images to you could indeed change your perception of the game (it just makes sense).
Theory versus practice dude, there's no comparison. With engines like Quake 3, framerate difference is noticable up to 300 fps. In games like FarCry, I can't see the difference between 60 and 100 fps, other than the mouse reacting slower at 60 fps.

Turtle 1

12-09-2006, 06:54 AM

Even tho you can't see the differances between 300fps and 200 in online games that differance would show up and be precieved as lag. If you are running a game at 200 fps and your enemy is running 300fps guess who has the advantage. When I got my Razor I couldn't believe the differance it made in online game play . I was stunned.

turbox997

12-15-2006, 04:15 PM

Hey guys, there's a thread on the XSnews section in which someone found a very nice mouse roundup review, tons of mice in it. Thought it might help.

Here's a link to the thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=126409

Here's the link to the review:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679

PS. I just got home last night and was finally able to use the G5, it's pretty good, I can't deny that. However, finally getting to use it, I think my cousin's DB felt better, and I guess the review confirms. What surprised me most in the review was the performance of the mx500 and mx518 when the usb port was overclocked!