big typhoon... and my temps are.. good? [Archive]

boris_37

10-19-2006, 09:15 AM

okay i recently put together my Conroe Rig(no windows on it quite yet) and i wanted to check. My temps are 39C idle with the stock fan @ 1400 RPM... is this about right? I don't really know as this is my first intel pc in about 7 years... so anyone wanna let me know?

I put on about the recommended amount of AS5, and it's not seated quite as tightly as it should be, but that's easy to fix.

I just expected it to be low like my XP-120 on my sempron... just too much to ask? lol

Icer

10-19-2006, 10:09 AM

People would need a lot more info to know, Core 2 Duo temps vary quite a bit.

What motherboard do you have?
Are you overclocking it?
What is your Vcore set at?
What are your ambient temps?
What program are you using to read the temps?

Read these and see how your temps compare.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119467

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106951

boris_37

10-19-2006, 10:13 AM

right, guess i did forget to mention those.

P5B- Deluxe
E6400 @ stock everything

And i am looking inthe Bios, which should be accurate for idle temps.

Ambient temps 20-21C i'd say.

SlyMaelstrom

10-19-2006, 10:43 AM

I'm no pro, but that idle temp seems high to me for a stock processor. I could be wrong. Make sure you have good contact between the heatsink and the processor and that you have a decent coat of thermal paste (not too much though, a little more than paper thin, I'd say).

boris_37

10-19-2006, 12:25 PM

okay yeah i tightened up the screws i guess they just weren't tight enough. It's at something like 33C idle now. A bit better, considering stock fan that's more of what i expected.... think thaat sounds better?

Revv23

10-19-2006, 01:51 PM

sure 33 is okay. idle doesnt mean anything though, get core temp and look at your load...orthos load/

cantankerous

10-19-2006, 03:08 PM

I just installed the BT on my X2 4800+ and temps for me are bad. I have remounted twice using different bolt down screws and different amounts of thermal paste and my temps are identical.

I get 38c idle with the cpu running 2.81ghz at 1.35v. Full load under Orthos is about 52-55c after hours in a somewhat hot room. Not as good as I expected but I feel there is nothing more I can do to improve temps. I may try changing my fan to a suck position over a push and see how that fares.

xpsentity

10-19-2006, 03:15 PM

You need three things:

Zalman 9500 plastic backplate
Socket Wrench
110CFM Silverstone

Add those and it = win.

Just be careful with the socket part :nono:

ex2cib

10-19-2006, 04:03 PM

do 3 things to the big typhoon if you want it to work better

1. if the base looks bad, lap it (if not, then on to step 2)
2. take the fan off, and get something to close the gaps in the side of the heatsink. the gaps are where you can look at the top of the fan, and see the heatpipes on the side. close those gaps to force air through the fins. I got a piece of plastic and actually cut out a guide for it and put it in the fan.
3. Put a high pressure fan on it, I replaced the stock fan with a 90cfm sunon i had in the case, but even with the speeds on the sunon at their lowest (fan controller), it still cools better than the old fan

i only have a moderately clocked venice, but temps dropped (idle and load) by about 5-6C.

cantankerous

10-20-2006, 06:48 AM

thanks for the suggestions friend. I have an 86cfm panaflo on their now. I may try and plug the gaps though as they are very visible.

One thing I find very annoying about the BT (perhaps it is just mine) is that one section of the aluminum fins is higher up than the other side making mounting a bigger fan a pain in the ass cause it doesn't want to sit flush on the heatsink. I only have 3 out of 4 screws now cause the 4th screw won't fit with the fan raising off the heatsink due to it hitting the higher sided aluminum fins.

boris_37

10-20-2006, 04:20 PM

okay uhm, i can't see temps from my cpu... is it because everest is old? I can see them with AI Booster, but not with other stuff. Do we just have to wait until the support comes out for this cpu that we get correct temps because AFAIK everyones temps say different with each program and are usually all over the board.

Zardokk

10-20-2006, 04:42 PM

Did you try Core Temp? I think it works with Conroes.

boris_37

10-20-2006, 05:16 PM

I don't even have core temp as an option. Yeah and i am currently Prime 95'ing and Super Pi'ing my pc and it's only hitting 42C.

I have another fan i might throw on though.

Uhm, how do i setup that orthos bin..? and how do i run 2 instances of prime 95? or is there a better program to use?

Supertim0r

10-20-2006, 07:44 PM

this is the mounting (http://simon.webideal.ca/Temp/PC/TT%20BT.JPG) I use for TT BT

ryaan

10-20-2006, 07:47 PM

eh idk...

i have e6300 @ 3.15 [undevolted to 1.300] on stock cooling and i idle at 32c... ambient temps are 35. then again, im using the acag thing in my antec sonata2 case to bring air from outside the case directly to the cpu

[gigabyte 965p-s3, corsair 2x512mb ddr2 800 @ 900mhz]

no, its not orthos stable, but it is dual super-pi (32m) stable & i can run aim/xfire/itunes/vent/irc/steam/firefox/css/antivurs/firewall at the same time without crashing, only hitting 36-38c at that =\

Speederlander

10-20-2006, 08:05 PM

LagunaX

10-20-2006, 08:22 PM

Here's what I did with my oem(tray) conroe e6600's that tend to have curved faceplates and my TTBT's that didn't have a great base (factory nonlapped):

I used about 2 grains of rice (instead of the 1/2grain for AS5) of arctic cooling's MX-1 thermal paste. This is a nonconductive ceramique that actually works better in heat transfer than AS5 when you have uneven surfaces. Also, the more coverage you get, the better. When I remounted with MX-1 (had AS5 b4), My idle and load dropped 1-2 degrees. But if I had lapped both surfaces for perfect even contact, AS5 would have been equal I'm sure.

BTW I tried the TTBT mod by plugging the gaps with foam, but didn't get any benefit when I used a high CFM fan with it. I actually had 1 degree C worse temp on load with the plugging and high CFM fan, probably due to turbulent/reflected airflow.

ex2cib

10-20-2006, 09:03 PM

if you have an uneven base, lap it,it takes maybe all of 25-30 minutes, and its worth the time spent.

i got mine smooth enough to where i could see reflection easily out of it, with a few scratches here and there

ryaan

10-20-2006, 09:47 PM

Why undervolt to the point of near instability? Planning on using the same chip 25 years from now?
cause to get it stable i need to up the volts to like 1.35 or 1.375 and then my temps shoot up. id rather low temps where i can still run everything i need even though it is "unstable" then running "stable" and having hot temps for no reason.

LagunaX

10-20-2006, 09:53 PM

LOL, I run my conroes at 1.5v(e6700ES B1) and 1.53v(E6600 B2) 24/7 without problems. Thought I was doing the ultimate computer upgrade this past January with an opty 170 oc'ed to 2.9ghz 1.45v. I didn't even keep that opty a year, it's gone, upgraded to conroe. Point is, you'll end up upgrading in 3-4 years max, and running less than 1.55 will last you plenty with decent air/water cooling. The only thing that i go thru faster than cpu's are graphics cards, lol (DX10 right around the corner...):cool:

boris_37

10-20-2006, 09:54 PM

okay so i got a question. I took the stock fan of my TTBT and put on this

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17261&vpn=TURBINE-3000&manufacture=AeroCool

which i had lying around(a much faster model at about 79CFM 35dba i think. It was quiet on my xp-120 to a certain extent. Once i throw it on here however it's howling a lot and when i put my hand over it, i notice it's moving just about as much air up as it is down. This i found odd so i checked the temps and they were actually up!

Has anyone experienced this? How would i go about solving this? Is it because there are too many fins on the fan or something. I am quite clueless as to why it works great on the xp-120 and so shoddy on the BT.

Suggestions?

LagunaX

10-20-2006, 09:59 PM

Boris,

the link is for a 37cfm fan...no wonder your temps shot up, you dropped from a 54cfm fan.

On my 2 TTBT's(110cfm silverstone fm121 and TTBT VX stock 89cfm fan) the air you feel returning is normal, just reflected turbulent flow since the fins are pretty close together. However, it is not a problem, as the higher cfm fans give better results than the stock 54cfm fan. :cool:

boris_37

10-21-2006, 08:16 AM

which i had lying around(a much faster model at about 79CFM 35dba i think. ..

it is not lower than the 54cfm fan.... i said it was a faster model of the turbine. That's a 3000 and mine is a 2000 or something.

Thing is, it didn't give better performance, it gave worse and was just very loud... i'm just confused as to why.

LagunaX

10-21-2006, 08:26 AM

Not sure why it would be worse unless you moved the base around when you were changing fans and don't have good contact with the AS 5 anymore. Everyone else reports better performance with the higher cfm fans. Did you do the gap plug mod? That actually gave me worse performance with the higher cfm fans.:cool:

boris_37

10-21-2006, 08:27 AM

Nope, never touched anything. I kept it mounted and just swapped fans. I am currently changed back to stock fan, it is 2C lower and much much much quieter. That's why i'm so puzzled... lol