Melted Duron's *new* build thread

[Gray Mole]

Yup, neither one of us was happy with the last build (too noisy, not the greatest temps) especially me :D

So now it's a V2000 build, and some interesting changes to the configuration.

Spec...

NL11F compressor 1/3HP
Mach1 condensor
1/2 Mach desuperheater :eek:
Joe Cool headkit
Small suction accumulator
7.5' of .028" captube
60cfm 240v fan
Froster Value (new) controller

Gasses used...

402a (60%)
290 (5%)
410 (35%)

All this into a Silver V2000 Plus

I've got the 'guts' done, just need to deal with the install and some prettying up of the insulation for him.

Pics so far...

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Controller, most likely will be making a cherckerplate 'armour' for both the condensor and the desuperheater, and mount the controller pcb's on that. Pics of that to follow.
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Very shiney line again
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No heatshrink yet, and I may have to special order the color he's after ;)
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That's the 1/2 mach desuperheater. Thanks to my work for letting me use their cutter to 'split' that one :toast: will sit in front of the 2 80mm fans at the back of the case.
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Changed the oil to that stuff. AB oil, good to -70 so no chance of oil freezing even on low or no load :D
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Took that as the system was cooling after the load test. Got bored of waiting but it'll get down to -67 or so on no load. At some point I'll get a pic of it's coldest temp.
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That's after a couple hours of load, got the ambient up to about 25c as well so it was a 'real' test of load. The sytem is charged to handle higher loads as the head seems to like a high flood throughout, so there's room to tune it lighter I guess. I like it that way though, make sure it's gonna handle whatever he's gonna throw at it :)
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And some ice of course :woot:


So yeah, that's about it for now, going to try to get it into the case, but I have surgery on my hand on Tuesday so I just don't know if I'll be able to do that before I go in. It'll delay things by a week or 2 at most though, so not really THAT big a deal I hope.

Edit: Progress after the surgery :D

Well I started last night getting things together. It takes a while to prep a new V2000 or at least while you're being careful not to scratch it :eek:

Got the lower plates out, all the 'gubbins' you get with the plus version, and sleeved the big wiring harness up as it's hard with the phase in there.

Measured and bolted up the compressor properly and set up the condensor with the front plate.

Tonight was just some prettying up, though the split sleeving I thought would work was just too small, and it didn't look right. I don't know if I really want to go recovering the gas to get it much further, but I used a lot of armaflex tape to get the lines a little cleaner than before. We'll see, I may look at another kind of sleeving if I can get a size that'll work well. Anytime you have a suction accumulator you run into problems making the line as clean as you want, but it's not too bad.

With the layers of insulation and tape this is a pretty well insulated line :p:

Pics...

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I tired the blue heatshrink and I may stick with that. It's a shiney finish, mate's to the line pretty nice.

Joe Cool's head is a little tricky where it comes up to the line, so I had to be careful about that insulation. There's a small layer of tape under that foam which makes sure it's 100% sealed there. I don't want any issues with condensation even though the mobo's upside down, so any water shouldn't do damage coming from there. Better to be safe.

I've got a fair bit of work to do finishing the pretty stuff, but I'm cutting up some pieces for the condensors and it should top them off really nice. Should have those ready tomorrow, and a lot of the wiring as well. Not sure if I'll finish tomorrow or not, but by the end of the weekend I want this in a box and ready to send to Melted :)

Edit, more updates.

I was pretty late last night, so I didn't get any pics done at all. I got a little more done again tonight and I'm kind of at a point where I need a couple more things to do any more on it. I ran out of IEC sockets and they should be here tomorrow and I have an idea to make the LCD look nice in the Bezel without covering the whole thing so I will have those parts tomorrow too.

Anyway, on with more pics...

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So yeah, I wanted to make some of the details a little different this time. Split sloom sleeve, mesh rear fan guard, Checkerplate fascia, just a few things not quite the same as some others I have made.

The screen is nice, no more garbled displays or anything, working fine. Frosters and firmware are coming along real nice. Cheers to Ssilencer and Golden for their hard work :toast:

I went with 4 core wire for the mains cable, make less wiring to the back and see if it was easier to wire up and nicer when done.

The only thing with the Froster is that it's a little off. It's reading to only -45, and after -20 it is very slow reading. The ultimate cold on this gas blend is around -65 or so, so about 20c warmer than it should be.

When I am done the wiring and display mount, I'll see if I can hook it up and adjust the trim with the Fluke attached for both idle and load and then it should be more like where it should be.

Anyways, I like how it's come together so far :) and not too much to do, just the rear plugs and the LCD mounting. After that I need to cut some Rad holes in the top for some watercooling stuff, and see if I can make up some Dothan adapters for him as well. If it looks like It's gonna add a whole bunch of time to make the adapters I may just ship it to him and make them asap.

Can't think of what else to do, but it's been like 2-3am every night working on this one this week, so I'm gonna stop a little early tonight and catch up on some sleep and other things.

Hope melted is happy how it's going, I'm sure he'll tell me ;)


Cheers

Gray

[Carlz0r]

Looking awesome Gray! Can't wait to see it all fully assembled :D

[MeltedDuron]

my precious :D can't wait... This has to be good!

[bazx]

gray what made you go for the gas combo

[4Qman]

Excellent work again Gray,
I like the idea it mounted onto a Aluminium Floor, help support and look great :D

Cant wait to see it all installed into the case,.:slobber:

[FragTek]

Lookin' good! How long has this build been goin' on for now?

[Brettbeck]

Very nice as usual Gray:) .

I like that cable sleeving over the suction line...looks a bit like tin foil or something :p: !

[Pete]

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If my eyes do not desive me thats my V2000b sat in the back there which umm you've had for ages and i haven't hered a thing about!

Any chance of an update Gray as i aint happy at all with whats gone on!

This rig in this topic was on before mine, then you started mine, then you took one other on i know of then you gone to htis one and yet i haven;t hered a thing of mine!!!

[Gray Mole]

Pete, see your PM.

And yeah, this one was up first, and it's gone through a few changes and ideas. That's part of what makes it take so long, as the only thing that's been sort of consistent is the line and head :rolleyes:

Thanks though, nice to hear good stuff.

I can't wait to see it in Melted's hands myself, it's like the build that never ends :D

I've been using this checkerplate a lot as it's easy for me to get, and it's the right thickness for strength. And of course it's pretty :p:

The gas was more of a request really. Then I had to make it work and make sure it was up to 'warranty' standard and wasn't going to eat the compressor:eek:

So then came the desuperheater. Normally you wouldn't bother with something quite that extreme for desuperheat, but with the 410 I figured it would be needed and it's doing a really sweet job.

I also noticed in slicing it up that the pipes inside a mach condensor are 'rifled' to improve heat transfer/surface area. Learn something new every day :D

Splitting a condensor in half was Melted's idea too. I just don't think he was serious at the time heheh but it was ideal.

Anyhow, finishing up Ssilencer's old freezer for someone as well, so back to work. Gonna have to get some pics of that together and post 'em too :)

Cheers

Gray

[Ssilencer]

Anyhow, finishing up Ssilencer's old freezer for someone as well, so back to work. Gonna have to get some pics of that together and post 'em too :)

Cheers

Gray

After, that "head change"(evap changed by Gray under customer request) on my old unit, I really don't have any interest to see it working.
Nice build btw.

[johann]

Nice one Gray.

A few observations on my side. Seems like the R410 did not do much for loaded temps? If I remember correctly your R402a units does the same temp on that tester of yours. It may help with some low load CPU like dothan.

My opinion on the shiney sleeving. I got some of that in also to try it out but its not very strong atall in comparison to the black stuff I got from you a while back. Also I found the chrome looks a bit fake, almost like christmas decorations. But hey if thats what he wants and like then so be it.

Nice unit all in all, something different than the usual :D and performance is superb as usual.

[n00b 0f l337]

Also isn't that danfoss NF11F the same specs really as the NF9FX and therefore 1/4+ hp?

[fatty]

Also isn't that danfoss NF11F the same specs really as the NF9FX and therefore 1/4+ hp?

The NL11F isn't the same spec as the NF9FX or if it is they are both 1/3hp

[Gray Mole]

You're right Johann, it's a little like 'woven tinsel' but it's quite nice and should look good with the sleeving I'm putting on it. Will do pics when I've got that together too.

The gas was always meant for a lighter load from day 1, and it should scale well at lower loads. I know your R23 unit was much the same, incredibly low temps at low load, but never really enough gas to support it at higher loads. This only gives 2-3c on average lower than 402a at lower loads, but I think it was worth it as the desuperheater makes it act as it it's a lighter gas.

NL11F is rated for 1/3hp, but it's very much an equal or close to it for the American version. I think it just beats it on average, but the frequency of power over there makes it run faster and come close enough.

I'm sorry again about your unit though Ssilencer. Wasn't my choice but it's what he needed.

Cheers guys. Up for my surgery tomorrow, so will get posting as soon as I'm able to get back to work.

Gray

[Ssilencer]

You're right Johann, it's a little like 'woven tinsel' but it's quite nice and should look good with the sleeving I'm putting on it. Will do pics when I've got that together too.

The gas was always meant for a lighter load from day 1, and it should scale well at lower loads. I know your R23 unit was much the same, incredibly low temps at low load, but never really enough gas to support it at higher loads. This only gives 2-3c on average lower than 402a at lower loads, but I think it was worth it as the desuperheater makes it act as it it's a lighter gas.

NL11F is rated for 1/3hp, but it's very much an equal or close to it for the American version. I think it just beats it on average, but the frequency of power over there makes it run faster and come close enough.

I'm sorry again about your unit though Ssilencer. Wasn't my choice but it's what he needed.

Cheers guys. Up for my surgery tomorrow, so will get posting as soon as I'm able to get back to work.

Gray

I know it wasn't your decision
I hope you get well soon, we (your friends) miss to chat with you

[johann]

You're right Johann, it's a little like 'woven tinsel' but it's quite nice and should look good with the sleeving I'm putting on it. Will do pics when I've got that together too.

The gas was always meant for a lighter load from day 1, and it should scale well at lower loads. I know your R23 unit was much the same, incredibly low temps at low load, but never really enough gas to support it at higher loads. This only gives 2-3c on average lower than 402a at lower loads, but I think it was worth it as the desuperheater makes it act as it it's a lighter gas.

NL11F is rated for 1/3hp, but it's very much an equal or close to it for the American version. I think it just beats it on average, but the frequency of power over there makes it run faster and come close enough.

I'm sorry again about your unit though Ssilencer. Wasn't my choice but it's what he needed.

Cheers guys. Up for my surgery tomorrow, so will get posting as soon as I'm able to get back to work.

Gray

Sure I added some black over the chrome, that looked cool.

As for the gas blend, exactly what you say there. although melted will find that even on higher load when he runs a real cpu he will see 2 or 3 c better temp so its worth it for sure. Seems it behave alot like my R23 unit.

Good luck with the hands mate, I tuely hope its sorted :)

[Gray Mole]

Edited the first post with some new updates and pics :)


Gray

[MeltedDuron]

thats hawt :o i like the blue heatshrink gray, it looks "right" its great to see this beast in a case :) got any ideas for LCD mounting?

[raccoonone]

very nice! can't wait to see it finished

[Gray Mole]

More pics and stuff added, getting close to finishing this one off :woot:

Hope you like it so far Alex :D


Gray

[bazx]

More pics and stuff added, getting close to finishing this one off :woot:

Hope you like it so far Alex :D


Gray


looking good gray

it is much harder to build a unit into a space as i have found out lately

full respect

baz

[MeltedDuron]

wow theres a lot going on down there... I'm liking the split loom, really tidys up all the AC wiring :) Did you leave the K probe on the evap? I didnt see it anywhere, i'm sure it'd make setting up the froster easier, +20* off is a bit weird, most controllers read too cold, but its better for it to read too hot than too cold, in case something went wrong. I'm not quite sure if i should stick with my BIP, or buy a 120.2 rad, as I'm getting a pelt setup together and dont want it to be too noisy. I'll have to ask in the pelt cooling section i guess. if any of you are wondering what we mean by dothan adapters, I got the idea from maxxxracer while browsing the WC forum, take a look in this post (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...5&postcount=15).