1405 bios is open for discussion and linkage

[Tony]

Guys I have word its now ok to link the bios if you have it, Anandtech will have a review up that explains what the bios does and shows some gains in overclocking.

T

[situman]

If Asus is reading this thread, please in future bios get rid of that power-down thing during overclocking and restarting. We would like our other hardwares to survive too.

[The Stilt]

If Asus is reading this thread, please in future bios get rid of that power-down thing during overclocking and restarting. We would like our other hardwares to survive too.

The board is reseting the pll (changing strap).
That is a feature, not a fault.

[caater]

my experience so far:
with 1305 bios, at 1.95v pcie crapped out, with all 14xx bioses, the limit is 1.89v.
no fsb gain whatsoever. though i flashed using afudos, but i didn't reset cmos.
there's no chipset subtimings yet and looking at memset, all timings were the same, with 1305 and 1405.
+there's a new "digital home" option now. dunno exactly what it does :)

[BulldogPO]

Yeh, I wondered that Digital Home feature also.
Seems to be very stable bios.
We want adjustable subtimings!

[Nathanael]

Links?

[sombrio]

Here:

http://taskforce.no-ip.info/pics/ASUS_P5W-DH/P5W-DH1405.rar

[zbogorgon]

The board is reseting the pll (changing strap).
That is a feature, not a fault.

as I heard, this happens due to the chipset limitations, unable to restore clocks, it only happens if system is oced, what would be possible benification of this, i have no idea, but I am quite sure that disks don't love it

[don_vercetti]

Guys I have word its now ok to link the bios if you have it, Anandtech will have a review up that explains what the bios does and shows some gains in overclocking.

T

Any idea when the Anand article will come online? It's last thing on a friday afternoon (in the UK at least) and i don't want to have to wait until monday for it (although of course, i have no choice in the matter).

If i go ahead and flash it now, am i likely to run into any trouble? e.g. my board not booting up, or the world exploding?

[don_vercetti]

Ok, have flashed to 1405. Just a few things; no new memory timings, everything seems very much the same as with 1402, but i haven't tried clockin' yet.

the Digital Home feature claims to control fans, vcore, etc presumably as a replacement for C1E to keep the PC cool. I may try it out later, right now, i want to see (a) if my memory will run above 370mhz FSB with manual timings and (b) what is the max fsb i can hit.

Later.

EDIT;

370mhz fsb with manual timings still doesn't work with the RAM below.

Am now checking for any speed difference between 1402 and 1405 at 400mhz (2.8ghz) and then, will set off on the hunt for highest FSB.

[Tony]

I know some of what was changed but in respect of anandtech i will let them tell you. I hear the review will go up tomorrow.

[sombrio]

Bios 14.05 sucks. I need more vcore to put the same mhz with 9x multi. Back to bios 13.05 :)

[sierra_bound]

People often forget that bios updates are not necessarily designed to improve your overclock. In many cases, they just add support for newer CPU's or fix existing problems.
The board is reseting the pll (changing strap).
That is a feature, not a fault.
Your post should be made a sticky. It's getting really annoying to hear people asking about the temporary shutdown feature over and over again.

[Jimi...]

So is this bios final cause it's not on the Asus support site.

[AndrewZorn]

The board is reseting the pll (changing strap).
That is a feature, not a fault.
good to know its even more than i thought
i liked it because i thought it was simply doing it just to ensure a cold boot.

i have had overclocking problems with other boards because a reset wasnt a full cold boot and thus it made for uncertainty

[don_vercetti]

There is some serious performance deficiencies, that begin between 400mhz and 420mhz fsb. It MIGHT be because i can only run my memory at the lowest freq (640mhz @ 430fsb, so far) but i would hazard that the 1666fsb strap has been made selectable at this high FSB. Which is how it is letting us run much higher FSB.

I've only tested Pi1m so far though, so not entirely conclusive. But i'm getting 20.000s at 430x7, 640mhz where i get <19s with 420x7, 840mhz. Shall test further.

[caater]

There is some serious performance deficiencies, that begin between 400mhz and 420mhz fsb. It MIGHT be because i can only run my memory at the lowest freq (640mhz @ 430fsb, so far) but i would hazard that the 1666fsb strap has been made selectable at this high FSB. Which is how it is letting us run much higher FSB.

hmm.. did you cleared cmos after flashing?
i did not and i'm not seeing different strap. at least at 437mhz

[Jimi...]

So is this bios a beta then or what?

[WeaponII]

I think it's a beta...

[OBR]

When will be 1405 BIOS official on Asus web? BIOS linked above is beta ... and is THE SAME as 1403 .... no change in max FSB frequency, no change to better OC ..., dont bother to flash it.

UPDATE - I am back with 1305, this beta 1405 causes my 2x Raptor 150 in RAID0 unreadable in POST (because aftef clear CMOS are HDDs in BIOS in Enhanced IDE option). I have to disconnect my HDDs, go into BIOS, set HDDs as RAID, connect HDDs and then is everything OK, but i dont want to do this every clear CMOS ... this 1405 BIOS is c*ap.

[Jimi...]

Well I'm actually more interested in being able to lower the multiplier so I get a bit more out of my RAM.

[politenessman]

i can boot at slightly higher speeds with manual timings. but otherwise samo samo.


very truly yours,
politenessman

[Betroz]

The board is reseting the pll (changing strap).
That is a feature, not a fault.
Ok but that feature should be one we can disable...
Can't be healthy for the harddrives :stick:

[caater]

Can't be healthy for the harddrives :stick:
how

[phile]

Something odd is going on here. I'm not sure if this is an issue with 1405, but I just setup a 8 X 400 config in the BIOS and I'm getting strange results in windows.

CPU-Z and Everest Ultimate are showing the multiplier as 8, with a resultant CPU frequency of 3.2GHz. However, Orthos, CoreTemp and Windows are displaying my CPU frequency as 3.6GHz, as if the multiplier were still at 9.

http://essing.vdl2.ca/8multi.jpg

http://essing.vdl2.ca/9multi.jpg

Is this normal?

-phil

[caater]

Something odd is going on here. I'm not sure if this is an issue with 1405, but I just setup a 8 X 400 config in the BIOS and I'm getting strange results in windows.
CPU-Z and Everest Ultimate are showing the multiplier as 8, with a resultant CPU frequency of 3.2GHz. However, Orthos, CoreTemp and Windows are displaying my CPU frequency as 3.6GHz, as if the multiplier were still at 9.
Is this normal?
-phil
Yes, this is normal.
most programs (sandra, orthos, coretemp, etc), can't read proper fsb.
they detect default multiplier from cpu register and bootup fsb and calculate cpu clock using these values. programs like sandra can detect new multiplier but they aren't programmed to read fsb from clockgen, therefore they assume that clockspeed is the same as at boot and show exactly what you discovered.
plus programs like sandra will show weird fsb and memory speeds.
only because they can't read from clockgen.

the same effect is when you use setfsb/clockgen - only certain programs will indicate proper cpu speed - like cpu-z, everest, crystalcpuid etc.

this would be different with unlocked cpu - at least if multiplier is changed in bios.
with locked cpus, eist is used to change multiplier - both in bios and in crystalcpuid.

[phile]

Thanks for the explanation, caater. :toast:

-phil

[Joor]

where is the official 1405 bios?

[phile]

where is the official 1405 bios?

No idea if it's available on the ASUS site, but you can grab it here:

http://taskforce.no-ip.info/pics/ASUS_P5W-DH/P5W-DH1405.rar

-phil

[Betroz]

how
The disks shuts off, and then on again too soon when you restart the computer. If you do this serveral times a day, then this must be a strain on your harddrives. Not that I restart my PC that often, but when you install Windows and all your stuff, many restarts are required.

[Tamerlane]

I'm eager to see the AnandTech review of 1405 BIOS but it's still not up.

Any idea when we'll see it?

[eallan]

Neat, i flash to this bios and i can't get anything to happen at the exact same settings.

I try and run 333x9 and after the "save changes and exit" the screens just stay blank and i have to hard boot after a CMOS clear to have anything happen.

I can get into windows just fine. I'm kinda getting tired of this board lately.

And you can't roll back bios without using the dos utility = lame.

[davexl]

And you can't roll back bios without using the dos utility = lame.

I think you can do it with Asus Update - just select options and enable older BIOS.... a wacky interface is not a good idea with important system utilities.

[Rol-Co]

only different (came from 1403) i see is the vista option at audio options, multi still not working good on kentsfield B0 .
flashed back to 0602 bios (es only)

[Icer]

Sooooo, do you know what the deal is, Tony? AnandTech just hasn't had time to finished the review yet? Bios not working as expected? Also, when the official 1405 bios is released, is it going to be the same as the beta one?

[catscit]

ok, i seem to have some interesting problems.

I flashed 1405 coming from 1402.
I couldn't overclock at all with 1405. change the fsb and save, and the system HANGS.

Did a clear cmos, same problem.

Flashed back to 1402, now the powerdown thing everybody except me seems to hate is GONE.
I can change bios fsb an mem timings, save and i get a nice and warm reboot, no disks stop spinning, no fans stopping.

Tried a clear cmos again and still no difference.

I'm back to my 360fsb stable overclock again on 1402 but can't use 1405 at all. and the powerdown is still gone.

[eallan]

I'm back to my 360fsb stable overclock again on 1402 but can't use 1405 at all. and the powerdown is still gone.

Me too! Weird right?

Thanks for that pointer on the Asus Update, it is a clunky program.

I'm back to my 334x9 on 1.34 vcore running solid on 1402.


This bios is :censored:

[Icer]

ok, i seem to have some interesting problems.

I flashed 1405 coming from 1402.
I couldn't overclock at all with 1405. change the fsb and save, and the system HANGS.

Did a clear cmos, same problem.

Flashed back to 1402, now the powerdown thing everybody except me seems to hate is GONE.
I can change bios fsb an mem timings, save and i get a nice and warm reboot, no disks stop spinning, no fans stopping.




Sorry, I can't confirm this, I went from 1405 to 1402 and my system still powers down completely.

[catscit]

Me too! Weird right?

Thanks for that pointer on the Asus Update, it is a clunky program.

I'm back to my 334x9 on 1.34 vcore running solid on 1402.


This bios is :censored:

is the powerdown gone on your system as well?

I didn't mind the powerdown!

wouldn't mind getting it back if my overclock would be better then.

[eallan]

is the powerdown gone on your system as well?

I didn't mind the powerdown!

wouldn't mind getting it back if my overclock would be better then.


Yes it's no longer a "hard boot."

And back on the old bios i'm running like i want, i'll stick with 1402 thanks :)

[situman]

quick more people do the update and then a downgrade to see if the powerdown thing goes away.

[catscit]

i downgraded (and upgraded) using the ezflash tool in the bios.

[politenessman]

i guess anadtech dropped the story because of lack of anything to write about. good thing asus made this top secret, you wouldnt want something as powerful as the 1405 bios getting into the wrong hands.


very truly yours,
politenessman

[chron]

good thing asus made this top secret, you wouldnt want something as powerful as the 1405 bios getting into the wrong hands.


Yes, I'm sure people put their lives on the line to keep this bios and it's important technological advances a top secret at asus labs...

1405 is buggy as hell. I'm sure we'll see a different version get released to the public, not this one.

[Mr Footlong]

Politenessman was whipping out some humour there mate :).

[don_vercetti]

Politenessman was whipping out some humour there mate :).

I imagine chron was too.

Anyway it's true, aside from OCZSteve at Ocforums, no-one has seen any gain from it, despite any amount of reflashing and cmos clearing.

A duff, imho. Although it's not particularly buggy.

[famich]

i guess anadtech dropped the story because of lack of anything to write about. good thing asus made this top secret, you wouldnt want something as powerful as the 1405 bios getting into the wrong hands.


very truly yours,
politenessman

LOL, nicely put, please check your PM, I ve posted some info elsewhere, but just in case Id like to know your humble opinion !:)

[catscit]

so much for hyped up 1405

can i buy another board now or do i have to wait to see what else asus has up their sleeve?

[Icer]

can i buy another board now or do i have to wait to see what else asus has up their sleeve?


I think they have more up their sleeve! I heard that in the official 9999 bios, AiBooster actually reads the correct GHz/FSB!


BTW, does anyone's AiBooster read correctly with the P5W DH? I'm running the latest version of it and mine hasn't worked since bios 801.

[The Nemesis]

As I posted elsewhere, I only saw a 3 mhz gain in my 3DMark06 stable overclock. 420FSB - 423FSB. Pi scores were a tad better. From what I understand, ASUS's next offical bios release will be a bit different than the actual 1405 beta thats floating around. One day maybe someone will share a top secret bios that some motherboard manufacturer is working on for the end-user. Later it will be found to overvolt cpu's and is discovered just a bit too late before everyone's share & installed it. Then their cpu gets fried with no liability to the motherboard manufacturer or anyone.:)

[catscit]

i'm running XP64, AIbooster just locks up and / or gives very strange readings.

[don_vercetti]

How will it be different? Any clues?

[Tony]

Altered internal memory controller latency and base memory timings changed. Bios seems to suit the 1.85v mch boards better (wierd though) and should yield a slightly higher overclock.

bios is the same as the 1404 except for the multi option fixed on the 1.85v boards.

[don_vercetti]

Altered internal memory controller latency and base memory timings changed. Bios seems to suit the 1.85v mch boards better (wierd though) and should yield a slightly higher overclock.

bios is the same as the 1404 except for the multi option fixed on the 1.85v boards.

And just to confirm, this is for the 'NEW' 1405 BIOS, and not this current beta one, which very few people have had any luck with?

Maybe the 975x is just the BH-5 of the chipset world, and just keeps clockin' better with more and more voltage.

[Nathanael]

Board occasionally fails to overclock to 320 FSB at boot, CPR comes up.

[politenessman]

i hope somebody come out with something interesting pretty soon. looks like we got this one maxxed out. need something i can make run faster..




very truly yours,
politenessman

[politenessman]

LOL, nicely put, please check your PM, I ve posted some info elsewhere, but just in case Id like to know your humble opinion !:)


thats me that you just passed (vanilla_guerilla) over at hardforum conroe oc database. i had to change my sig to "#1 retail air-cooled 6600". i will have to try and bump it up a little bit. nice clocks.


very truly yours,
politenessman

[arne72]

Altered internal memory controller latency and base memory timings changed. Bios seems to suit the 1.85v mch boards better (wierd though) and should yield a slightly higher overclock.

bios is the same as the 1404 except for the multi option fixed on the 1.85v boards.


are the improvements only for the 1,85 vmch version of the p5wdh?