OCZ Phase Change Review AGAIn [Archive]

Blaster

09-21-2006, 04:12 PM

"It uses the same idea and components as a refrigerator or a freezer. The very cold air produced by the equipment is blown to a copper block that is attached on top of the CPU."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH :wierd:

... its kinda scary someone writing an article and knowing so litlle on the subject

dab420

09-21-2006, 04:15 PM

I'm just happy to see it again, i thought this was vapour!
If the retail version performs decent I'm buying one for sure.

aussie_guy00000

09-21-2006, 04:19 PM

That's some shocking article and i've seen less silicone at a porn stars convention. What's with the compressor, it looks old, it appears to have rust on it in some places around the seam, almost like it's 2nd hand :confused:

mtl_hed

09-21-2006, 04:21 PM

Well, it looks as though more than just XS was hammering this guys crappy hosting company.

hardwaresecrets is down hard. it responds to ICMP, but nothing is listening on port 80.

It was down before the XS server maint. that was just performed and its still down now.

http://www.800hosting.com/ must not be the place to be hosted on. I guess working for reliable managed hosting company spoils me. the owner of hardware secrets should have been notified of the URL down and had it fixed by now.

And I was looking forward to making fun of this stupid review. :( :D

DeNs

09-21-2006, 05:13 PM

It's working fine for me at the moment. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I was going through that. That's completely pointless for OCZ to lend a unit to someone to review especially given how little the guy knew on the subject.

Ack I can just imagine the number of clueless people reading this and getting completely the wrong idea about how a system works :( We'd be doing the public a service if we wrote to these guys to take it down or at least correct the entire article.

Maybe OCZ is buying compressors second hand to keep costs down :lol:

---dens

pythagoras

09-21-2006, 05:17 PM

The real smack in the teeth for me is, why didnt we get a review unit???:mad:

Regards

John.

FUGGER

09-21-2006, 05:33 PM

We will, you know who designed it.

Are you volunteering to do the review John?

trance565

09-21-2006, 07:29 PM

i wouldnt say it's "second hand" i think the employees at ocz lost their soccer ball, so they used the compressor, until they were told to use it and build a system.

nn_step

09-21-2006, 07:34 PM

how much longer must we wait for OCZ phase?

Praxis1452

09-21-2006, 07:49 PM

before Xmas hopefully hehe

Rockhammer

09-21-2006, 08:34 PM

OMG...that isn't silicone grease...it is silicone sealant.

quote:

"regular silicone gel, the same type used to build and repair fish tanks"

trance565

09-21-2006, 08:48 PM

OMG...that isn't silicone grease...it is silicone sealant.

quote:

"regular silicone gel, the same type used to build and repair fish tanks"

well, wouldnt it end up doing the same thing? cept mabbe being even HARDER to remove

MrDeeds

09-21-2006, 10:14 PM

What kind of journalist writes an article on a topic they dont fully understand without some sort of research. He could have simply googled phase change and he would been able to get a better idea of what the components inside of the unit did. Very sloppy.

I really wish Ocz would stop misleading the reviewers by giving 1 month etas after every review. A simple "coming soon" would suffice.

Thrilla

09-21-2006, 10:48 PM

Do his research dammit, that looks more like a n00b's phase exploration, oh wait it is lol.
Man even I can write a better review

regular silicone gel, the same type used to build and repair fish tanks
Doesn't that thing harden and glue stuff together lol?? Can't wait till he trys to clean it, and again, numbers would be nice.

johann

09-21-2006, 11:14 PM

That unit is a joke LMFAO

whats that weird insulation looks like packaging foam, even the unit itself seems home built.

I can see how anyone can buy that POS

Thrilla

09-21-2006, 11:18 PM

That unit is a joke LMFAO

whats that weird insulation looks like packaging foam, even the unit itself seems home built.

I can see how anyone can buy that POS

hahahahaha now you said it, it really does look like packing foam lol (open cell?), no wonder he doesn't have it tested with his mobo. :slapass: :stick: :banana:

Ssilencer

09-21-2006, 11:38 PM

Introduction

Have you ever imagined hooking up a freezer to your computer to cool down your CPU?
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I love that guy:rofl:

epion2985

09-22-2006, 12:41 AM

Given how much quote "research and development" they claimed they were doing and so on this is not very impressive. Looks like the units new people make on this forum every day over a weekend R&D and everything...

If this took them so long, I fear we may never get the promised decent performance phase change cooling for cheap, not from OCZ anyway.

fatty

09-22-2006, 02:13 AM

I can't wait to see if this will fizzle out AGAIN!!!

gundamit

09-22-2006, 03:29 AM

It seems odd that this guy (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/about) got his hands on a pre-production unit. That funky foam and the fact he doesn't even fire it up makes me think something isn't right about the unit. I wonder if OCZ is missing a display-only model from thier trade shows early in the year. I thought this project was just about dead once OCZ got past the design phase and looked at the production and distribution challanges.

NightCrawler™

09-22-2006, 03:40 AM

Why is he using to different types of RAM in dual channel.....??:stick:

dab420

09-22-2006, 04:05 AM

I think you're on to something. I'd wager this is the damaged unit that didn't work last spring... ;)

Check out the external damage on the first image:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=5269

rapty

09-22-2006, 04:20 AM

Can't beleive he used that much silicon he must have had a cold

Mounting System doesn't look to precise around the evap

Probably got to the next part of the review and realised he didn't have a fkin clue and had a Snot covered Motherboard

L&MFatty

09-22-2006, 04:31 AM

i was almost getting a woody by looking at those prices

Amazon Marketplace: $109.99 Newegg.com: $109.99
Mwave.com: $112.00 Amazon: $117.47
WolfCamera.com: $117.65

sadly enough it was meant for something else :owned:

zakelwe

09-22-2006, 05:28 AM

Well they do claim

Hardware secrets - uncomplicating the complicated.

You turn it on, it gets cold, init ? Howz it get cold ... it's a hardware secret peeps!

Regards

Andy

hipro5

09-22-2006, 06:11 AM

I wonder why ppl still talking about the OCZ's phase change system....!.....When it will come out, it'll come out.....If it won't, it won't.....Please DON'T judge something that it's not ready yet, by looking some photos from some "freaks"....cuz for freaks is the word if I see well......covered the mobo all over with silicone for glasses .....For gods sake!.....That's scaring....!....
After all I don't believe that OCZ gave to THIS guy a phase change of their samples.....It reminds me some years back when I started working with Peltiers and I didn't even think of puting silicone for glasses......I should have thought about that too....:p:

pythagoras

09-22-2006, 06:27 AM

We will, you know who designed it.

Are you volunteering to do the review John?

I would like to review the european unit, when its ready.

Regards

john

MaSell

09-22-2006, 07:04 AM

Somebody got full specs of this unit? Compresor (brand, HP etc), evap desing, gas and others?

trakslacker

09-22-2006, 07:51 AM

As someone else mentioned, besides the amazing silicone job on his mobo, I enjoy the 3GB of (OCZ) RAM he's using, identified using paper and scotch tape.

EDIT: On second thought, after seeing the condition of the unit and the somewhat questionable-looking "OCZ" RAM, maybe he raided OCZ's dumpster? ;)

Rockhammer

09-22-2006, 08:13 AM

well, wouldnt it end up doing the same thing? cept mabbe being even HARDER to remove

Well, I guess it will serve the same purpose, but silicone sealant will not be harder to remove. It will be damn near impossible to remove. Trying to remove it will likely pull up half the chips on the mobo. Also if they really used the fish-tank stuff, it has acetic acid in it which will slowly attack metallic components on the motherboard. Gawd what a mess.

Brettbeck

09-22-2006, 08:22 AM

One of the most uneducated phase reviews I've ever seen sadly.

I agree, they obviously dont have any idea what they are talking about.

RyderOCZ

09-22-2006, 09:45 AM

Elfear

09-22-2006, 10:09 AM

I have no idea where this came from, I have sent the link to the office.

I cannot say what the new unit looks like, I haven't seen one. That does appear to be the prototype case that we exhibited at CES and CEBit.

Sorry if you've mentioned this somewhere else, but do you guys have an ETA for your phase-change unit yet?

Holst

09-22-2006, 10:25 AM

I think its safe to say that once its announced it will be posted by an OCZ member as a press release.
With XS close links to OCZ im pretty sure we are going to find out about this first.

BUT repeatedly asking the guys .when when when when isnt going to make the announcement come any sooner.

I would be fancinated to find out where this fake looking unit came from and the story behind it.

pythagoras

09-22-2006, 01:54 PM

I have no idea where this came from, I have sent the link to the office.

I cannot say what the new unit looks like, I haven't seen one. That does appear to be the prototype case that we exhibited at CES and CEBit.

Didnt that one have the hose coming out of the back? Lost any units in Brazil?

Regards

John.

GOATSLAYER

09-22-2006, 03:41 PM

That insulation looks like it welcomes water.

pythagoras

09-22-2006, 04:17 PM

Lets try and seperate the reviewer from the unit. It was a really bad review:( .

I had a chat with Tony tonight, as it was irritating me too, that a lot of rumours and not much substance was being displayed.

The upshot of this is:

1. This unit will go ahead and one of the production units will be reviewed on XS( not by me, as the first will be a US model).

2. Its an affordable model, its not meant to compare with the custom units on here. Hence it will be cheaper and not meant to perform as well as the custom units.

Timescale wise, it will be released when its ready and all bases have been covered.

Regards

John.

star882

09-22-2006, 04:47 PM

ew, pass through atx cable.

i wanna see some numbers
It looks like it's only for control. There is a separate power cord for the unit itself.

mykeos

09-22-2006, 06:05 PM

i'm a bit dissapointed they use r134 gas.r402 would be a better option,me thinks...it is expected to be cheap though...
so, an SS unit in every household ;)

predator500

09-23-2006, 05:20 PM

That is a very bad review. There is nothing about how well it will run on a cpu just alot of blah blah blah that we all already know.

wdrzal

09-23-2006, 05:58 PM

quote from reveiwer:

"The very cold air produced by the equipment is blown to a copper block that is attached on top of the CPU."

After that statement ,it obvious the reveiwer has no idea how the system works .Not to mention has the know with all to give a compantent reveiw based not only on style but the componetes used and their expected reasonable maximium performance.

pazza316

09-23-2006, 07:34 PM

I dont think the unit is 134a who said that? or is that again some speculation.

I agree R402a would be the best solution!

I think it may be R507 ;) so if tuned correctly and spec'd correctly temps should be fine!

mykeos

09-24-2006, 11:34 AM

pazza316:here's who said that:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/282/1/

check the pictures.That's dissapointing...:(

pythagoras

09-24-2006, 01:51 PM

It isnt r134, that particular compressor used in the unit was rated for r134;)

Regards

John

Brettbeck

09-24-2006, 01:57 PM

It isnt r134, that particular compressor used in the unit was rated for r134;)

Regards

John

Thats what I thaught :) . R134a IMO would be useless for a unit like that.

mykeos

09-24-2006, 02:27 PM

yes,but they also said load temps on evap were -10 with FX-57 oced above 3ghz.my home made mach 2 gt (r507 gas)
had load -35 with opty 146 and 1.72v at 3360mhz.i know OCZ cryo is supposed to be "value" thing,but i think it won't handle dual core- heat- OCed- to- the- max very well.but that's just mho:)

wdrzal

09-24-2006, 02:28 PM

pazza316:here's who said that:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/282/1/

check the pictures.That's dissapointing...:(

Disclaimer:Just making observations as I have NO inside knowledge at all to OCZ.

While that might be, it may not be, that was a prototype .How many people here use r290 compressors for r290 ? Many compressors are multi-gas.

I doubt that they will charge a compressor beyond its design parameters as listed by the manufacturer ,whoever that will be. Selling a unit with price being the selling point,they will not be able to continually honor warranty's out of there own pocket without the manufacturer at least backing up there compressor for a period of time.Even if the compressor manufacturer would back their unit 100%,they usually don't pay labor. Just labor for a compressor change and re-gas would eat your alive, Especially for a unit possibly selling in the 3 to 4 hundred dollar price range. They are a business and intend too make some profit, so I'm sure much testing has been done so they have some idea of failure rates of the compressor & gas they finally choose.

As and we all know their warranty and service has been legendary around here.I,m sure they won't put that in jeopardy by releasing a Bad product.

Remember as I believe they already said ,this unit will be intended for the masses and don't expect it to surpass units that are built and charged solely for maximium performance with no or little regard or testing for longevity .

Lets wait Till OCZ tells us the specs on "their" final product.

I,m sure "cold air" doesn't cool the evap,as reported in the review.

Planet

09-24-2006, 02:38 PM

Be sure to let him know what you guys think of the article...
http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/showthread.php?t=1702 :slapass:

runmc

09-24-2006, 02:56 PM

We will, you know who designed it.

Are you volunteering to do the review John?

I'm volunteering to do a USA :usa: review for XtremeSystems and OCZ. :)

Okda

09-24-2006, 03:23 PM

I'm volunteering to do a USA :usa: review for XtremeSystems and OCZ. :)

Egypt, Africa & Middle East here :p:

FragTek

09-24-2006, 03:29 PM

The very cold air produced by the equipment is blown to a copper block that is attached on top of the CPU.

^^^ LAWL N00B! :cheer:

SlackeR

09-25-2006, 04:14 AM

Veeeery funny :D
Seriously a bit of a joke that he has a unit that OCZ does not know he has. Oh hello, i've got something *secret*.. Lets just post it all over the internet with some noobish flavor.. Sure to make me some friends at OCZ, man! Theyll love me after i write how their unit is working differently than veryone else's, and insulate my mobo using the wrong foam and too much of the wrong silicone..
Jeez..

mykeos

09-25-2006, 04:57 AM

wdrzal

09-25-2006, 05:41 AM

SlackeR:you're absolutely right,but hey,my coleague makes
a perfect looking custom SS with r402,golden frosters,whatever pimpin' :banana::banana::banana::banana: you wish in a few days, famous
OCZ corp. needs years to make an average phase-change. Like it was f... rocket science.lol.

You clearly don't understand business. building 1 or even a dozen a week is no problem. But try mass production a whole different story, International shipping, packing and promoting, unit testing and evaluation for failure rates and a analysis of conponate cost and the stability of those cost on the market. Not to mention labor cost ,Workman's comp and all the other headaches that go along with employees. To sell a unit in most USA stores it requires a bar code so it can be scanned, each is unique and sometime just obtaining one of those can make you pull your hair out.Ocz has to deal with the laws on shipping pressurized vessels containing refrigerants. on and on it goes.most of you can't even phantom the problems. :slap:

simple huh:rolleyes:

mykeos

09-25-2006, 06:19 AM

look,wdrzal, I understand it's a complicated process,but you can't deny Nvidia or Ati make much more complited devices every year (or even few months) and they too have to take care of warranty,production process,marketing, legal stuff etc.
That's a poor excuse,imho.:cool: It's not like OCZ were small and moneyless company from Oz (or Afghanistan),huh?

[XC] leviathan18

09-25-2006, 06:30 AM

they are making something new for them you need top notch human builders not machines if the guy assembling (sp) the SS is bad you will have a great failure rate.. then you have the problem with the belnd of gases and the shipping etc... and ocz is like 100 times smaller than ati or nvidia

is not easy what they are doing

mykeos

09-25-2006, 06:42 AM

on the other hand,there doesen't seem to be much interest in having a SS unit.I've been selling mine,made by LittleDevil, on ebay for some time,for quite low price of 300USD,and no go.Peeps are more interested in high end air and water cooling systems.Have to pay tribute to OCz for having guts tho...

Stabbin

09-25-2006, 08:35 AM

"It uses the same idea and components as a refrigerator or a freezer. The very cold air produced by the equipment is blown to a copper block that is attached on top of the CPU."

I lol'ed at that! :wierd: :bounces:

~S~

RyderOCZ

09-25-2006, 11:43 AM

Ok,

This better be the last word on this until these units arrive for sale guys....I am so sick of hearing about how crappy this thing is going to be, I swear you guys have nothing better to do.

I don't recall anyone ever saying this thing will hold -60c with an FX-60 at 3GHz+, did we?
Since when do we owe anybody anything because this didn't hit the market when we had originally intended? Someone ask Hipro about bringing an ambition or idea to market....ask him how easy it is.
I saw the same types of comments about his Maximizer, everyone thought it was soooo easy and shouldn't be taking as long as it did.

Enough already....Ok? Deal? When its done, its done.

In regards to this unit at Harware Secrets.....they did not recieve one, the unit in the pictures is the Beta unit from 9 months ago and the photo's are taken in the OCZ test lab.
The dents, etc are from shipping it to CES and Cebit, compliments of the rough ride which caused it not to function.
The reviewer was in California visiting from South America and was intrigued by the unit, so he took some pictures and asked about the unit. Obviously he did not understand how the process works.

I repeat, this is not the new unit....it is the same Beta unit you all saw pictures of last spring.

Thanks

mykeos

09-25-2006, 12:48 PM

RyderOCZ:i'm very excited about your new product, never mind our complaints,we'll probably buy the unit anyway,if nothing else,from curiosity;)I would just like to know,since I'm from a small country in Europe,wether OCZ is planning to
sell it's units widely or is more interested in US market only?
thank you and sorry for my bad english:)

HousERaT

10-28-2007, 07:16 AM

Looks like the time is just about here........ :D

http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/cases_cooling/ocz_cryo-z_ready_to_ship/1

vampire338

10-28-2007, 10:39 AM

ill belive it when i see it in the united states.

killermiller

10-28-2007, 11:48 AM

I don't see what the big deal is about this. You get what you pay for. I didn't see this thread before and I just read that review. I feel stupider for reading it.

The Nemesis

10-28-2007, 12:05 PM

I for one am looking forward to it. My only concern is if it can handle a Quad core overclocked or even penryn.

weescott

10-28-2007, 12:43 PM

Judging by how cool Penryn runs, I think the timing of this unit is spot on.

Pete

10-29-2007, 12:34 AM

Judging by how cool Penryn runs, I think the timing of this unit is spot on.

Umm people really need to learn what the chips are really called 1st! However 45nm runs cooler but im most certan will still need to tune along the same lines for quad. Time will tell on it wether these units really will go anyplace but just the good old USA

Nosfer@tu

10-29-2007, 02:14 AM

It is a forum and Humans do as they others :)
1 guy says he dosent like it, 7 more will state the same.

Lets just wait and see, Hope OCZ can lift the SS consumer products up and past what ECT and Asetek did.

ginnz

10-29-2007, 04:57 AM

im anticipating this thing..... ive been watercooling for many years and would be looking for something else to play with, cheap....

tim-

10-29-2007, 05:21 AM

lets hope they have made what other manifactures havn't, a unit that handles quad proper.

weescott

10-29-2007, 05:29 AM

Umm people really need to learn what the chips are really called 1st! However 45nm runs cooler but im most certan will still need to tune along the same lines for quad. Time will tell on it wether these units really will go anyplace but just the good old USA

Penryn, Yorkfield, Wolfdale? I really think you have no idea what you are talking about. :confused: Or do you have one of these chips from your Intel friend but can't post screenies because you are under NDA...AGAIN?

Pete

10-29-2007, 08:17 AM

Penryn, Yorkfield, Wolfdale? I really think you have no idea what you are talking about. :confused: Or do you have one of these chips from your Intel friend but can't post screenies because you are under NDA...AGAIN?

Penryn is the 45nm replacment for Memrom and the arcutecter name. Them in the know have that on paper. There are only certan selected people that have the chips right now and that are shearing it.

The NDA on the 45nm is tighter than it has been ever. Hense why there are non being sold inthe f/s and also that Fugger won't allow it anymore as well (i've that in a PM)

Get a car or what ever and come see whats here.

Top tip, grow up and rather than trying to play god on a forum or forums you have no direct control over talk to me personly, you've my house address and msn/e-mail.

[XC] gomeler

10-29-2007, 09:15 AM

Your no public speaker just a :banana::banana::banana::banana: stirer

The same can be said for you at times :shakes:

Top Tip, Firefox 2.0. Built in spell check :yepp:

Pete

10-29-2007, 09:30 AM

gomeler;2520552']Top Tip, Firefox 2.0. Built in spell check :yepp:

Make it work then and i will use it but i beat ever spell checker going!

weescott

10-29-2007, 09:47 AM

Pete, I'm one of the lucky few that has 45nm chip so I have an idea what I am talking about regarding temperatures. I have shared some of my results already.

If you don't have value to add to this thread then just don't bother posting. There is no need for personal attacks or such slanderous remarks.

Movieman

10-29-2007, 10:07 AM

Put's on Mod hat..
How about we all go and take a break from this thread and relax.
God I hate to see fighting over dumb stuff.
Remember, friends first here, or do I have to beat that into people?:rofl:
Now that your all laughing maybe remember there are lots of different knowledge levels here from the new guy to the brain surgeon.
Patience works best and if someone makes a uninformed comment don't see that as your opportunity to bash them but to politely educate them.
Thanks for listening! :up:

Pete

10-29-2007, 10:35 AM

All i say is best of luck to OCZ, if it's anything like the last lot of products i had it'll go no where but the bin

eToh

10-29-2007, 08:22 PM

How much will this unit retail for?

killermiller

10-29-2007, 11:07 PM

3-400 dollars

TopherTony

10-29-2007, 11:09 PM

I think early statements made by OCZ spokepeople said 300 then it was 400 like 4 months later.

hecktic

10-30-2007, 12:28 AM

sorry if i missed it.... so then will there be an updated review of the 'real' unit prior to the final and official launch and not any beta/alpha versions?

TopherTony

10-30-2007, 11:23 AM

most likely ocz will want it shipped out to the major reveiwing sites, just like thermaltake and koolance do with their cooling kits.

[XC] gomeler

10-30-2007, 12:03 PM

I'm hoping they send it to some prominent overclockers and builders, primarily builders as they'll be able to tear it down and know what's going on rather than leave comments like "the copper is shiny" and "the evaporator is round".

Fujimitsu

10-30-2007, 12:44 PM

I'm interested to see how this does but I wont get my hopes up.

I just don't see this thing doing that well for such a low pricepoint.

Creek Tha Gray

10-30-2007, 12:50 PM

hm even if it ever makes it to market realy don't think it will work with quads fully.

jinu117

10-30-2007, 12:57 PM

It might/it might not. The prototype was dreadfully designed with no tolerance for warm ambient (was about 30c in hotel suite for OCZ party at CES). Kind of sad to see unit idling at where others fully loaded unit is running with dual core intel at the time.
However, this probably could have been more problem with tuning than anything else (example would be what I believe is Taiwanese builder supplying few coolers which has shown not so favorable results).
Unit probably is made in China so unless stringent Q/A is applied, I would worry about quality issue and RMA issues on OCZ end. However, it is more than possible to hit that price point (well maybe $300 is bit too low, I am thinking more like $500 mark) if you do MASS production of such unit. (in number of 1000s) - BTW, that is considered not mass production in HVAC/R so if they planned 20k-30k of it for life time of product, I think they might have been able to get retail price around $400.
All this conjecture and guess is nice but we should just zip our moth shut till it arrives on shore :)