Anyone tried the Antec Trios yet?

[Aganerral]

Also have this message posted over at HardOCP so might seem familiar. But a local store is selling the 650W Trios for $110 this week. Only thing that makes me hesitate is that the Seasonic S12 Energy+ and M12 models are supposed to be abailable in the US soon, but they'll also be significantly more than $110 for the wattage I'm looking for.

I know that the Trios are one of hte power supply models that Seasonic is uiulding for Antec, but has anyone actually tried one out?

Thanks!

[Ominous Gamer]

Looks to be very similiar to the Corsair PSU that Seasonic builds, and that PSU has gotten solid reviews (I in fact just ordered one). $110 sounds like a very good deal.

[Aganerral]

that's my general tought as well (though the trios are not modular like the corsairs) But my guesstimate is that hte Corsairs are approximate to the M12s, and that these ANtec Trios are approximate to the S12-Energy+ (the wattage for hte Trio models matches the wattage for the energ+ models)

[Oklahoma Wolf]

The Trios have their own section in Seasonic's UL certification page - they may or may not be compareable in design to the rest of Seasonic's products.

[Ominous Gamer]

So we all know for sure then that its a Seasonic PSU.

The only question then is...has Seasonic ever made a crappy product before?

[jonnyGURU]

So we all know for sure then that its a Seasonic PSU.

The only question then is...has Seasonic ever made a crappy product before?

Has Enermax? Has FSP?

I have to be skeptical of a $110 650W PSU.

Since Antec won't send me one, I'll probably buy one and see what's wrong with it.

[EsaT]

that's my general tought as well (though the trios are not modular like the corsairs) But my guesstimate is that hte Corsairs are approximate to the M12sM12s have four 12V rails so propably not.
Also looks like Corsairs have in fact only two 12V rails so that would make them more like old S12 serie.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/371/5

[Ominous Gamer]

Has Enermax? Has FSP?

I have to be skeptical of a $110 650W PSU.

Since Antec won't send me one, I'll probably buy one and see what's wrong with it.

The point of bringing Enermax and FSP into this? Even if Enermax has had a few missteps with older series?
Or are you just saying he could go with a known series name?

$110 sounds like a sale price according to the OP, which is only a $15-$20 discount from the Seasonic made Corsair HX which you gave a 9 to in your reviews.

[jonnyGURU]

Ok.. I asked someone that I know that works closely with Seasonic and he told me something that I did not know. The Trio and the NeoHE that came before it are of a cheaper level of Seasonic product that uses the same design, but uses a single layer PCB (instead of the FR4 double layer) and cheaper components (caps, MOSFET rectifiers, transformers, etc.)

[jonnyGURU]

The point of bringing Enermax and FSP into this? Even if Enermax has had a few missteps with older series?
Or are you just saying he could go with a known series name?

Neither. I'm talking about Enermax and FSP having "missteps" with current product! A lot of these companies are banking on their good names to sell inferior product. Sure, they perform out of the box. But what's going to happen to the PSU two or three years down the road? What's going to happen to your components three years down the road?

$110 sounds like a sale price according to the OP, which is only a $15-$20 discount from the Seasonic made Corsair HX which you gave a 9 to in your reviews.

It's not a discount. I just checked w/ my supplier and $110 is right on par with current cost w/ a back end rebate. The Corsair uses good components. Don't sell yourself short by comparing your wise purchase with a cost-cut Antec. ;)

[Ominous Gamer]

It's not a discount. I just checked w/ my supplier and $110 is right on par with current cost w/ a back end rebate. The Corsair uses good components. Don't try to sell yourself short by comparing your wise purchase with a cost-cut Antec. ;)

i was also comparing the Antec 650W price to the Corsair 520W:(

[EsaT]

Ok.. I asked someone that I know that works closely with Seasonic and he told me something that I did not know. The Trio and the NeoHE that came before it are of a cheaper level of Seasonic product that uses the same design, but uses a single layer PCB (instead of the FR4 double layer) and cheaper components (caps, MOSFET rectifiers, transformers, etc.)Now that shouldn't have been any surprise...
It's just so easy to put cheaper components to same design.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
-George Bernard Shaw

[Aganerral]

Thanks for the info, Jonnyguru. I guess I'll pass on the sale and wait for the M12 or S12 Energy+ to hit the US market and pick up one of those.

[jonnyGURU]

Or.... If you want an efficient modular PSU based on a Seasonic.... just get the Corsair.

[Aganerral]

definitely considering the Corsair :) But modular, while nice, is still on the 'nice to have' list for me, not on the must list. So i'm willing to wait to see how the pricing for the new Seasonics work out.

[Aganerral]

JonnyGuru, I saw your review on the toughpower 750 that you seemed impressed with. In general, how would you compare your experience with that supply to Seasonics? I'm looking to power a Core 2 Duo system with Crossfire (damn nvidia nad Intel not being able to sort out SLI :) ) and my current power supply wouldn't be up to handling the 2 cards. I'm leaning towards Seasonics since they have the best rep for quality and quiet short of the top end PCP&C supplies, but I'm not committed to any given brand of power supply.

[jonnyGURU]

JonnyGuru, I saw your review on the toughpower 750 that you seemed impressed with. In general, how would you compare your experience with that supply to Seasonics? I'm looking to power a Core 2 Duo system with Crossfire (damn nvidia nad Intel not being able to sort out SLI :) ) and my current power supply wouldn't be up to handling the 2 cards. I'm leaning towards Seasonics since they have the best rep for quality and quiet short of the top end PCP&C supplies, but I'm not committed to any given brand of power supply.

Depends... which Seasonic or Seasonic built PSU?

And given that all of the Toughpower PSU's, modular and non-modular, are based on the same CWT independent voltage regulation, which Thermaltake?

Yes, the Thermaltake is just as efficient and yes the Thermaltake has independent voltage regulation where the Seasonic does not, but the better built Seasonics are no doubt some of the best PSU's on the market.

[nn_step]

So basically you are saying the ripple is going to be worse than this
http://www.jonnyguru.com/PSU/HX520W/Oscope/Test5-12V3.jpg

[Aganerral]

Depends... which Seasonic or Seasonic built PSU?

And given that all of the Toughpower PSU's, modular and non-modular, are based on the same CWT independent voltage regulation, which Thermaltake?

Yes, the Thermaltake is just as efficient and yes the Thermaltake has independent voltage regulation where the Seasonic does not, but the better built Seasonics are no doubt some of the best PSU's on the market.

I was thinking of the Toughpower 750 that you reviewed over the weekend. As for comparing to Seasonic, I was thinking in comparison to the Seasonic brand power suppliers, not the built by Seasonic supplies. The Seasonics I would most like to compare against aren't US-available yet, so I wouldn't expect details, just wanted a touchy-feely opinion on if you thought the Toughpower 750 matches up well against the better Seasonics.

[Oklahoma Wolf]

the Thermaltake has independent voltage regulation where the Seasonic does not

Actually, if my memory is behaving itself, at least the Corsair units and Antec Neo HE's are indy.

[perkam]

Corsair for 117 = FTW for crossfire/sli systems
GXS 600w for $120 at Monarch = FTW for entry level quad sli systems

Perkam

[Aganerral]

Corsair for 117 = FTW for crossfire/sli systems
GXS 600w for $120 at Monarch = FTW for entry level quad sli systems

Perkam

That would be the corsair 520W version for 117, right? Can that really support X1900 crossfire? It seems like it would be pretty tight.

[jonnyGURU]

Actually, if my memory is behaving itself, at least the Corsair units and Antec Neo HE's are indy.


You think so? They still crossload a little bit, at least.

Anyhoo... I'm not going to compare vague apples with elusive oranges. So I'm not going to answer the Thermaltake vs. some-Seasonic question. From my own experience, I could go with either the Corsair 620W or Thermaltake 750W if the price was exactly the same.

[Oklahoma Wolf]

They still crossload a little bit, at least.

Yeah - then again, not all indy rail designs are created equal; and CWT's always been good at designing them. Oleg's review of the FSP460-60PFN showed worse performance than the OCZ Powerstreams, for example, despite both featuring indy regulation. Although, the FSP still tolerated crossloading better than the non-indy Epsilons ;)