7800GTX vs 1900GT

[Eliminator1]

hi,

i can buy these two cards at the same price. what should i buy?

PowerColor X1900GT

vs

Leadtek 7800GTX 256mb

i have read many reviews that say that the 7800GTX is stronger, but still, many people advice me to go for the X1900GT...

what should i buy (same price!!)?

[HaxR3]

7900GTX really

Or a 7900GT (close prices)

The 1900GT will need unlocking for decent perfoance which *can* be risky IMO

[alexio]

The 1900GT will need unlocking for decent perfoance which *can* be risky IMO
The X1900GT is about as fast as an X1800XT, is that not decent enough? Unlocking is not possible in most cases, but it's not particulairy risky.

I'd get the X1900GT, or an X1900XT for sub-$300.

[HaxR3]

Risky as in "If its not unlockable & you try to unlock it ur screwed" risky :)

But also, the 1900xt would be a good choice, if you can stretch to that price

[alexio]

Risky as in "If its not unlockable & you try to unlock it ur screwed" risky :)

But also, the 1900xt would be a good choice, if you can stretch to that price
Well, it's easy to flash blind or to use a pci card, so I think it's fixable in 99% of the cases.

[Eliminator1]

i was talking about the 7800GTX, not the 7900GTX.

and i get these cards in a very good price, so nothing else is considered.

so, 7800GTX or X1900GT?

[Victorshen]

both at stock

7800GTX wins for sure

1900GT is just about the speed of 7600GT

[Eliminator1]

both at stock

7800GTX wins for sure

1900GT is just about the speed of 7600GT

thats what i wanted to hear...
anybody else thinks the same?

[alexio]

1900GT is just about the speed of 7600GT
That's BS man. The X1900GT is as fast as the 7800GTX, I'm pretty sure about that. I'll look up some benches now.

[alexio]

http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=3646&s=1

The 7900GT is practically the same as the 7800GTX in therms of performance. The X1900GT is about as fast as the X1800XT, they switch places.

[SaFrOuT]

from many many reviews the X1900GT is head to head to the 7900GT

also remember that the X1900GT is only for 196$ @ newegg.com


just search in google using the keywords "x1900gt review "and u will find many reviews and results comparing it to a 7900GT

[Eliminator1]

plz delete... a mistake...

[Eliminator1]

lets say that that the 7900GT is basically a 7800GTX (in terms of performance)...

what would you say about that?
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=36&page=9
http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=3646&s=10
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/7games-gpus_21.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index.html

all of these review say that the 7900GT is better (the last one offers a direct head to head comparision with the 7800GTX) or at least that these two card offer the same performance.

i am confused...:(

[SaFrOuT]

it is known that the 7900GT is in most cases better than the 7800GTx 256mb

[kiwi]

x1900gt any day :) 7800 is old already

This on on water:

http://xs305.xs.to/xs305/06340/1900gt_730-890.jpg

[Eliminator1]

ohhh you confused me....

in the review i gave, the 7800GTX is clearly better in every game (exept of 3dmark05)... but not you tell me to go for the X1900GT...

can someone give me a final question?

BTW, kiwi, did you VMod the X1900GT to get the high memory frequency or just changed their timings? (how do i chance the memory timings of my gfx?)

[kiwi]

No need to hardmod, WinClk + ati tool works :) The only problem is beta 15 doesn't fully support GT yet. I have to change GPU voltage using WInClk and clocks using ATT beta 14. Memory volts default

In order to fully answer your question, answer this

What games will you play now, resolution quality AA/AF?
Do you like benching, will you bench a lot?
Will you overclock?
Are you willing to do hardware mod?
What cooling you are going to use on GPU?

[SaFrOuT]

kiwi i am plannig to buy this vga card after selling my old 7800GT

do u know any guide which tells how to o/c this card and the best dirver and software to use ?

sorry for bothering

[perkam]

The choice is yours:

X1950XTX - 7950GX2
X1900XTX - 7900GTX
X1900XT - 7950GT
X1900GT - 7900GT
X1800XT - 7800GTX

Perkam

[Hicks]

both at stock

7800GTX wins for sure

1900GT is just about the speed of 7600GT

What total rubbish.

The GT, is as fast as the X1800XT. The X1800XT, smashes a 7800GTX.

[Eliminator1]

No need to hardmod, WinClk + ati tool works :) The only problem is beta 15 doesn't fully support GT yet. I have to change GPU voltage using WInClk and clocks using ATT beta 14. Memory volts default

In order to fully answer your question, answer this

What games will you play now, resolution quality AA/AF?
Do you like benching, will you bench a lot?
Will you overclock?
Are you willing to do hardware mod?
What cooling you are going to use on GPU?

1) new games, FPS mainly... 1280 AA+AF (LCD)
2) yes, but perfomance in games is more important to me.
3) yes.
4) no... maybe in a year or two when the card will be too slow for me...
5) stock.

[NoPeace]

Both cards are about the same. There's a set of games that the 7800GTX will win in and there's a set of games that the 1900GT will win.

The difference between them is really the features. The 1900GT has AVIVO and HQAF while the 7800GTX doesn't.

Not saying that the 7800GTX is crap, I've had 2 and loved them. Just you need to look at other things then just pure performance. Espeically when you have two cards that are on par with one another.

NoPeace - out

[b0bd0le]

it's not as simple as which one is better than this one

what games do you play? Look up which cards performs the best for that game. Than buy the card

for example the X1800XT 512MB is roughly on par with the 7900GT until AA/AF come on, that is where ati's advantage lays. It is much more efficient than nvidia with AA/AF.

[milkcafe]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10656.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10657.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10660.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10662.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10667.png

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/fear.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/bf2.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/gw.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/q4-2048.gif

http://hardware.mydrivers.com/pages/images/20051121121955_96732.gif

http://hardware.mydrivers.com/pages/images/20051121121854_76737.gif

[DonS1mpson]

Go for the 7800GTX!

The x1900gt is designed to go against the 7600GT, quite simply, the 7800GTX will wipe the floor with the 1900GT, and this is coming from an ATi Fanboy :P

[Eliminator1]

well, as for now, i think that i'll go for the 7800GTX because these cards perform quite the same but the 7800GTX has 2 year warranty.

BTW, the 7800GTX has VIVO...

if you have any more comments, you are welcome to add them... i am not so sure what to buy wet.

[xlink]

if you know how to press auto overclock on ATi tool the x1900s win(vs doing the same with coolbits)

out fo curiousity, where is everyone getting the x1900GT is meant to compete with the 7600Gt? it completely wipes the floor witht he 7600s...

unless you're playing a lot of DOOMIII based games x1900GT is a good card.

one thing though 7900GT is likely a better choice than than the 7800GTX.
from what i see it might as well be a coin flip. I'd also get the x1800XT if it's the same price, it is typically better than the x1900GT, though it runs a bit hotter and takes a little mroe juice if that is an issue. It also doesn't do as well on F@H's better GPGPU thingy, and 3dmark06 like the x1900s more.

[Eliminator1]

i get these cards at a lowered price, so no other card is an option.

it is X1900GT vs 7800GTX.

[zillaoc]

Google is your friend...
I'm not gonna get into a debate on these cards...
though i have a x1900gt and a 7900gt not the 7800gtx and the 7900gt is a little faster but the picture quality just is not as good as the 1900gt...

This could be my monitor though... thier both good cards just ask your self what games your gonna play then Google some reviews...

P.S. my friend is on his 4th 7800gtx due to serous overheating and artifact issues... finally he had to underclock the one hes on now to play bf2...
but that is only 1 persons expierence. May be somthing hes doig to the cards...

[xlink]

i'd get the x1900GT and overclock it to hell.

if you don't plan on OCIng, the 7800GTX is likely the ebtter card performance wise, no HDR and AA simultaneously through SM3 though...

[Eliminator1]

well, i am planning to OC, but only to get a little performance boost, not to break a WR or something.

in addition, i read in many reviews that the X1900GT is HOT (about 92 degrees) and doesn't overclock with the stock cooling....
the 7800GTX will only get to about 70 degrees, right?

[Hicks]

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10656.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10657.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10660.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10662.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/ati%20radeon%20x1900%20launch_012406100152/10667.png

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/fear.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/bf2.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/gw.gif

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/radeon-x1900/q4-2048.gif

http://hardware.mydrivers.com/pages/images/20051121121955_96732.gif

http://hardware.mydrivers.com/pages/images/20051121121854_76737.gif

And there we have it ladies and gents.

The art of picking benchmarks that take your fancy, for the point you are trying to make.

Pathetic. I don't even wanna check the date on those. if you really believe a 7800GTX is faster i pity the foo.

[Eliminator1]

Digit Life say clearly that the 7800GTX faster, but some of you say the oposite.
i just don't know who's right...

[Hicks]

I upgraded from a 7800GTX to a X1800XT, and the differenece is more than noticable. If you have a choice of which one to get, it's a no brainer.

The ATI card is far faster with AA, and AF. I really cannot be arsed to say anything else.

[alexio]

Digit Life say clearly that the 7800GTX faster, but some of you say the oposite.
i just don't know who's right...
Okay, well this is the truth.

The X1900GT is about as fast as an X1800XT, maybe a a little slower in some cases. The X1800XT is a bit better than the 7800GTX. At stock the X1900GT and 7800GTX are pretty equal.

I say if you overclock both the X1900GT (needs third party cooler!) and the 7800GTX then the X1900GT is faster. Further more I prefer ATI's image quality. I have an 6800GT ATM, so have experience with both. Many people don't notice the difference in IQ, and some even prefer Nvidia.

Don't listen to people that say that the X1900GT is made to compete with the 7600GT. The X1900GT is a much much more powerful card, and it's made to compete with the 7900GT which is slightly faster than the 7800GTX.

[smids]

The X1800XT 512MB is faster than a 7900GT both at stock. I know, I've compared them against another forum user on OcUK. It's faster than a 7800GTX both 256MB and 512MB since about Feb this year because of new drivers ramping up performance. Those benchmarks are so old it's not even funny.

I have no idea where the X1900GT fits it, but I'm sure the X1800XT is faster given that it is only slightly slower than an X1900XT.

Also, with AA and AF, the X1800XT runs amock the 7900GT and 7800GTX. The extra RAM is also useful for high resolutions. Of course, someone will now pull out some nV optimised game benchmarks which we can all ignore as there are also ATi optimised games out there too.

[Eliminator1]

the problem is that the X1800XT is not an option for me... i can get the X1900GT or the 7800GTX, not something else...

[alexio]

the problem is that the X1800XT is not an option for me... i can get the X1900GT or the 7800GTX, not something else...
The X1900Gt switches places with the X1800XT in benchmarks.

[smids]

the problem is that the X1800XT is not an option for me... i can get the X1900GT or the 7800GTX, not something else...
Blast....umm, then probably the X1900GT. The 7800GTX is just plain old now. Performance should be on par between them, but I prefer ATi IQ.

[perkam]

You're all pretty simplistic.

The X1900GT is underclocked to give the impression it belongs in the $199 price mark... ALL X1800/x1900 have software volt adjustments so you'll never need to hardmod...you can change volts for mem and cpu on the fly.

With the 7800GTX/X1800XT you won't have to invest in an aftermarket cooler...with the X1900GT you will.

Beyond that, your preference for either company should be enough to help you make a decision...if it doesn't...then stick around till October when some more cards from both sides are scheduled for release.

Perkam

[SaFrOuT]

lets be sure about something here

the X1900GT WAS MADE TO COMPETE with the 7900GT NOT the 7600GT

[Hicks]

The X1800XT 512MB is faster than a 7900GT both at stock. I know, I've compared them against another forum user on OcUK. It's faster than a 7800GTX both 256MB and 512MB since about Feb this year because of new drivers ramping up performance. Those benchmarks are so old it's not even funny.

I have no idea where the X1900GT fits it, but I'm sure the X1800XT is faster given that it is only slightly slower than an X1900XT.

Also, with AA and AF, the X1800XT runs amock the 7900GT and 7800GTX. The extra RAM is also useful for high resolutions. Of course, someone will now pull out some nV optimised game benchmarks which we can all ignore as there are also ATi optimised games out there too.

QFT.

Also the 512mb 7800GTX, was clocked a lot lot higher, and is not the same card to the 256mb GTX, and as far as i no, its not an issue, as it's not sold anymore, anywhere. It was dam near impossible to get at the time anyways.

[SaFrOuT]

7800GTx 512 was made only in a smallquantity and there are some info that this card is not a nice card casue it may die in less than a year with few hours of playing per day

[xlink]

well, i am planning to OC, but only to get a little performance boost, not to break a WR or something.

in addition, i read in many reviews that the X1900GT is HOT (about 92 degrees) and doesn't overclock with the stock cooling....
the 7800GTX will only get to about 70 degrees, right?
everything runs hot nowadays...

but yes I have heard such as well. and trust me, I'm not the type to go for records either.

if ti si the GTX 512 though, definately go for it... that's like a factory overclocked-to-hell card, almost a 7900GTX... witht he exception of the ram of course... th ram is stock for 1.2GHz and Samsung specified it to 1.6GHz so there si still some overclocking room RAM wise.

[Eliminator1]

i am talking about the 7800GTX 256MB...

[SaFrOuT]

then for sure the X1900GT is better

since the 7900GT is known to be better than the 7800GTx 256 and the X1900GT is head to head with the 7900GT

[Eliminator1]

just noticed that the 7800GTX is 490/1250 instead of 430/1200...

what do you think about it now?

[smids]

just noticed that the 7800GTX is 490/1250 instead of 430/1200...

what do you think about it now?
No more than before.

If the X1900GT is only just slower than an X1800XT which can beat a 512MB 7800GTX which was clocked at 580mhz/1x00mhz (don't remember exact but around 1500mhz I believe).

[SaFrOuT]

only teh X1800XT 512 version can beat the 7800GTx 512 version FYI

and the X1900GT is the same level of the X1800XT 256 version

and he is talking about the 7800GTx 256 version which the X1900GT is much better since it has higher head for O/Cing

[smids]

only teh X1800XT 512 version can beat the 7800GTx 512 version FYI

and the X1900GT is the same level of the X1800XT 256 version

and he is talking about the 7800GTx 256 version which the X1900GT is much better since it has higher head for O/Cing
True, but only at high resolutions - I'm talking above 1280x1024 here. Otherwise the 256MB is faster - just as the 256MB is faster than the 512MB X1800XT at lower resolutions.

[xlink]

all that means is he won't get the same results when he OCs the GTX... remember you can also OC the x1900GT

[Eliminator1]

all that means is he won't get the same results when he OCs the GTX... remember you can also OC the x1900GT

with extra cooling... i am talking about the stock...

[TheMaster]

just noticed that the 7800GTX is 490/1250 instead of 430/1200...

what do you think about it now?

Think about HDRR + AA. Thats a good reason for a x1900whatever.
And remember that ATI delivers the better Memorycontroller since 9800 series.

[Hicks]

LOL, why is this thread still going, get the ATI card.:D

[Eliminator1]

with all you comments, i'll wait for the X1950pro.
i'll probably get it on the 22th at the same price with 3 years warranty.

i think now that the X1950pro is the best card for the future because i will be able to add a third party cooling and raise the voltages.

BTW, is it possible to raise the Vdimm and Vgpu with a software with the X1950pro?