Finally some good news about PS3!

[Ubermann]

When there been so much bad news about the PS3 lately i have to give you
some good news.
You know that there cant be any more bad news right.

Soo.....

RSX gets downgraded from 550/700 core/memory to 500/650.

Link (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33995)

You teh sux0r 2 sae teh PS3 is not going to teh r0x0r! Yew lie, yew 360 luvr. U teh sux! U maek thing up, go die!!!1111one!1!!!1 heheheheh

[alexio]

I love the title of this thread :D

Ohh, and the news I only find funny by the way. I hate Sony, Sony screws up, I'm happy.

[BlackX]

Now Im sure that I wont buy a PS3..

[ZX7891]

thats it im buying 360 today

[Sanborn]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL this is so funny what has happened in a week.

1) PS3 hasn't begun production
2) PS3 cannot run Crysis (nor can 360)
3) Graphics card downgraded
4) Xbox 360 gets marked down in Europe (barely)

If you guys can't feel the Halo 3 / Gears of War combo coming to rape PS3 via 360 or the MONSTEROUS collection of new PC games coming out then by all means buy a PS3.

[grimREEFER]

wow, its as powerful as the 14 month old 7800gtx....and its not released yet lol

[zakelwe]

The PS3 seems to be the new FX 5800U :(

Regards

Andy

[Starscream]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL this is so funny what has happened in a week.

1) PS3 hasn't begun production
2) PS3 cannot run Crysis (nor can 360)
3) Graphics card downgraded
4) Xbox 360 gets marked down in Europe (barely)

If you guys can't feel the Halo 3 / Gears of War combo coming to rape PS3 via 360 or the MONSTEROUS collection of new PC games coming out then by all means by a PS3.

1: so? last i read was that MS started production on the Xbox360 some 2 months before they launched it, wich was the reason why only pre-orders got one and some very lucky people.
2: that aint a fact. Crytek says that no consoles are able to run their games. but im shure as hell that theyl make ports for either both or one of them 2 consoles as its a to big market.
3: meh dunno how strong it is anyway seeing it gets supported by a Cell CPU.
4:ya MS changed the MSRP of the Xbox360 Core in the UK from 209 pounds to 199.
even tho most stores in the UK were already selling it for 199.

im no PS3 fanboy (guess im buying a Wii if any console at all).

PS3 has all the potential to be a flop/failure but so has everything product.
To be really shure if the PS3 is a success or a failure cna only be said a year or 2 after launch.

[Kunaak]

the funny thing about the PS3... they could downgrade it to 200/190 and people would still buy it... regaurdless of how disasterous the PS3 is so far...

[found404]

I'd like to know the reason though. I find it hard to believe that nvidia have a problem supplying chips at orginal 550/700 since they're selling faster rated chips to us. Another Sony issue? Power?

[Revv23]

1: so? last i read was that MS started production on the Xbox360 some 2 months before they launched it, wich was the reason why only pre-orders got one and some very lucky people.

Yeah but the difference is the 360 is avail in mass now.


PS3 has all the potential to be a flop/failure but so has everything product.
To be really shure if the PS3 is a success or a failure cna only be said a year or 2 after launch.

You are right there, but one thing is getting more and more certain, the launch is not looking good.

[cky2k6]

power or cooling. who knows how hot these cell chips run...

[Revv23]

I'd like to know the reason though. I find it hard to believe that nvidia have a problem supplying chips at orginal 550/700 since they're selling faster rated chips to us. Another Sony issue? Power?


my guess is heat. And perhaps slightly better yeilds. Maybe a lower voltage, over all a better package. I'll take a 50mhz hit isf that means PS3 is cooler & quieter.

[Helmore]

Maybe something with heat like the problems M$ had with the 360. But this time sony is trying to prevent those power and heat problems by changing spec. Just my guess although it is unlikely.
EDIT: lol everyone with the same reply:rolleyes:

[cMw]

as ppl have alreadty said on this thread, ps3 will either be a flop or failure and could put a big hurting on sony's quarterly earnings, on the quarter it is released

[KJatl]

Considering overclocking a 7800GTX (or equivilent) 50mhz core/mem gets you like single digit fps increases if at any at all, I don't think this is a big deal. I think the Cell yields and performance, insanely high price, lack of unit production, and the blu-ray/hd-dvd war should be more of a concern for PS3 hopefuls.

[Absolute_0]

I want the PS3 to fail, Sony's arrogance must be punished.

[3NZ0]

I was going to consider this console but with all these problems im gonna stick with my original idea of a wii for just fun dos'ing about and a pc for proper gaming.

[Kanten]

You are right there, but one thing is getting more and more certain, the launch is not looking good.


Yeah, though when was the last time a console launch looked very good?

[SlicerSV]

Yeah, though when was the last time a console launch looked very good?

the original PlayStation?

actually, i have yet to see a nintendo launch look "bad". not look like the best they could have done, sure, but bad?

as for Wii... Wii isn't even launching yet and it's looking awesome.

[Starscream]

Yeah but the difference is the 360 is avail in mass now.



You are right there, but one thing is getting more and more certain, the launch is not looking good.


i think the launch of the PS3 will be exactly like it was for the Xbox360.
a bad one (alot of people seem to forget that the xbox360 had a bad launch).

the critical thing is that Sony must try to turn that around within a few months after launch. They must push the availability to a good lvl within a few short months after launch. a bad first few months should be ok aslong as them bad motnhs dont take otlong.

yes the xbox360 is mass available right now but sales arent as high as they could be. One of the factors to blame for that could be the fact that there arent yet any kick ass xbox360 games that make people want to buy an xbox360. This atm is a good thing for Sony. But soon there will be several kickass 360 games out that will push xbox360 sales by quiet a bit, Sony will want to release their console before that time.

if the PS3 flops it will definetly hurt Sony but not by as much as many think.
The investments made for the PS3 were high but they werent all for the PS3 only.
cause several of the expensive things in th PS3 will also be used for other products. So the costs of these can be earned back from other products IF they do well.

So Sony has 3 irons in the fire.
PS3: if it completely flops Sony will lose alot of income from gaming and will lose a product that was ment to directly earn back part of their long term investments.

Blu-ray: a very expensive bit but even if the PS3 flops it can stil be a success (cause common the PS3 is nothing more then a tool to market blu-ray and bring it under the people a bad launch for the PS3 will although hurt blu-ray).

Cell: a multi purpose CPU, a very important part for the PS3 and also one of the things that cost the most to develop. But again it will alos be used in other products (atleast that was the plan).

So even if the PS3 suxx ass and flops etc it wont be the downfall of Sony. it will simply mean a few people get fired and theyl lose alot fo money.
if all 3 the big things flop (PS3, blu-ray and Cell) then Sony will be near death.

i may be of on a few points but thats how i see it.

@cMw
the PS3 development and Sony always pushing the release further away has already been hurting Sony for a few quarters now. the launch quarter will only make it slightly worse.

[clayton]

Yeah, PS3 failed, means PS4 will be a better product in the future.

[Starscream]

Yeah, PS3 failed, means PS4 will be a better product in the future.

i think if PS3 fails theyl reall rethink PS4 and will aproach the PS4 in a totaly difrent way.
PS3 isnt everything to Sony but is a very important key to the success of Blu-ray and a long term source of income.

[ak_47_boy]

unfortunatly ps3 wont fail because 98% of consumers dont read this crap on the internet, they just trust the name and hand over there money like zombies...
maby people will see the light...
sony is rly messed lately, like the blue ray, its a good prototype to show off at e3 ect but mass producing it is fricking dum. Who needs 50gb??? hd dvd is a fraction of the price and almost as good!

[Rolle2k]

i don't care much about this nor the other "negative" stuff about PS3.. it still will be best because of:
*It has a Blu-ray player
*It will come the best games to it
*You can play all older PS/PS2 games.

I don't care much about the specifications on the consoles, and still it's better than 360 on the paper.. Xbox360 won't be much cheaper when you buy the HD-DVD player extra to it, and i don't see that many games there that interestes me either.. most of games that interests me on the 360 is avalible on PC also so i rather play them there. That isn't the case with PS in most games.

anyway, time will tell. I won't buy either of the consoles right now. But it will probably go for the PS3 when it goes down in price a bit, much to get the BD-player plus final fantasy games.

[Sanborn]

the difference is 360 owners don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD player......... and to say that the PS3 will have the best games is laughable.

You really like Gran Turismo and MGS4 are going to hold a candle to Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Forza 2 ? Don't be rediculous. And the second best game Assassins Creed has been rumored as a 360 game so many times they might as well make the press release tomorrow.

[turtle]

I'd like to know the reason though. I find it hard to believe that nvidia have a problem supplying chips at orginal 550/700 since they're selling faster rated chips to us. Another Sony issue? Power?

I think it's because nvidia had yield issues with the g70/sb combo on a die. Compared to the initial results, these look golden.

Check here for ref:
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32159

[Rolle2k]

the difference is 360 owners don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD player......... and to say that the PS3 will have the best games is laughable.

You really like Gran Turismo and MGS4 are going to hold a candle to Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Forza 2 ? Don't be rediculous. And the second best game Assassins Creed has been rumored as a 360 game so many times they might as well make the press release tomorrow.

Yes you have to buy HD-DVD, without HD-DVD half of the consoles usage is away, at least for me - and i talk for myself. The 360 also only support 1080i which also is a big dissapointment if you are going to use it to movies also.

And about the games, The Final Fantasy series is there, and thats all i need. I don't really care much about any of the games you listed there so. I really think there was better games to the PS2 then to the Xbox, so to my taste it will probably be the same to PS3. I don't either care about the delay, i'm not in a hurry buing a console, will probably happen earliest in year from now.

[[XC] Lead Head]

Yes you have to buy HD-DVD, without HD-DVD half of the consoles usage is away, at least for me - and i talk for myself. The 360 also only support 1080i which also is a big dissapointment if you are going to use it to movies also.

And about the games, The Final Fantasy series is there, and thats all i need. I don't really care much about any of the games you listed there so. I really think there was better games to the PS2 then to the Xbox, so to my taste it will probably be the same to PS3. I don't either care about the delay, i'm not in a hurry buing a console, will probably happen earliest in year from now.

you try playing any modern game at 1080p resolutions on a 7800GTX, then report back

[Rolle2k]

you try playing any modern game at 1080p resolutions on a 7800GTX, then report back

I'm trying to watch HD-DVD or Blu-ray with their full resolution. :stick:

This is one of the things i disliked with HD-DVD also, the released the players before the can support 1080p, even that the disks have 1080p on them. Only the later players will support 1080p.

[found404]

Thanks turtle, I'd missed that article. Seems to be quite a plausible explanation.

[DTU_XaVier]

Yes you have to buy HD-DVD, without HD-DVD half of the consoles usage is away, at least for me - and i talk for myself. The 360 also only support 1080i which also is a big dissapointment if you are going to use it to movies also.

And about the games, The Final Fantasy series is there, and thats all i need. I don't really care much about any of the games you listed there so. I really think there was better games to the PS2 then to the Xbox, so to my taste it will probably be the same to PS3. I don't either care about the delay, i'm not in a hurry buing a console, will probably happen earliest in year from now.
And you couldn't live with watching a movie at 1080i, even when 640x480 is still a common standard on many a tv and dvd-disc?? Go watch a movie at home, and then come back and tell me it was bad quality, and that higher resolution would make it so much better etc. etc....
Final Fantasy might be all you need, but many people will be looking at many other games, not just one... If you go spend 500$ on a console, and another 50$ on a game, for the sole purpose of playing that one game, I will hold the right to call you mildly insane... :)

Best Regards :toast:

[mursaat]

my guess is heat. And perhaps slightly better yeilds. Maybe a lower voltage, over all a better package. I'll take a 50mhz hit isf that means PS3 is cooler & quieter.Well, guessing RSX is a rebadged version of G70, I think the yields can be reasonably good more than one year after releasing it :D


Anyway, to be honest no thing of that list will stop me from getting one. I won't get it on the first years, that's for sure. Guess what? I bought my first PS2 on July 2006 :D

Why? because I want to play Adventure RPGs that aren't available on any other platform like FFX/XII, Tales of, Suikodens, Dragon Quests, Xenosagas, Valkyrie Profiles, etc.
Oh, and non AdvRPGs like Okami, Katamaris, Tekkens, Ace Combats, Shadow of Colossus, MGSs, GTs, [good] Castlevanias, and a really long list I can't remember.

Of course, the graphics in all of them are light years away from R580 and G71, but they're fun as hell. And you can get some of them ported to other consoles, but with a PS2 you can have them all :D

[Revv23]

i think the launch of the PS3 will be exactly like it was for the Xbox360.
a bad one (alot of people seem to forget that the xbox360 had a bad launch).

the critical thing is that Sony must try to turn that around within a few months after launch. They must push the availability to a good lvl within a few short months after launch. a bad first few months should be ok aslong as them bad motnhs dont take otlong.

yes the xbox360 is mass available right now but sales arent as high as they could be. One of the factors to blame for that could be the fact that there arent yet any kick ass xbox360 games that make people want to buy an xbox360. This atm is a good thing for Sony. But soon there will be several kickass 360 games out that will push xbox360 sales by quiet a bit, Sony will want to release their console before that time.

if the PS3 flops it will definetly hurt Sony but not by as much as many think.
The investments made for the PS3 were high but they werent all for the PS3 only.
cause several of the expensive things in th PS3 will also be used for other products. So the costs of these can be earned back from other products IF they do well.

So Sony has 3 irons in the fire.
PS3: if it completely flops Sony will lose alot of income from gaming and will lose a product that was ment to directly earn back part of their long term investments.

Blu-ray: a very expensive bit but even if the PS3 flops it can stil be a success (cause common the PS3 is nothing more then a tool to market blu-ray and bring it under the people a bad launch for the PS3 will although hurt blu-ray).

Cell: a multi purpose CPU, a very important part for the PS3 and also one of the things that cost the most to develop. But again it will alos be used in other products (atleast that was the plan).

So even if the PS3 suxx ass and flops etc it wont be the downfall of Sony. it will simply mean a few people get fired and theyl lose alot fo money.
if all 3 the big things flop (PS3, blu-ray and Cell) then Sony will be near death.

i may be of on a few points but thats how i see it.

@cMw
the PS3 development and Sony always pushing the release further away has already been hurting Sony for a few quarters now. the launch quarter will only make it slightly worse.

I agree with this.

I never thought this way going to hurt sony in a big way... My point is, while the 360 had a bad launch, at the time there wasnt any competition for it, so no big deal, the ps3 comes out with a bad launch, and a higher price, all those xmas buyers waiting for PS3 are going to have to get thier kids something... Not to mention at the same time PS3 comes out 360 finnaly gets some killer apps.

Like you said, i think the launch is going to be messy enough to cost a job or two, but sony will live on.

[turtle]

Well, guessing RSX is a rebadged version of G70, I think the yields can be reasonably good more than one year after releasing it :D


Anyway, to be honest no thing of that list will stop me from getting one. I won't get it on the first years, that's for sure. Guess what? I bought my first PS2 on July 2006 :D

Why? because I want to play Adventure RPGs that aren't available on any other platform like FFX/XII, Tales of, Suikodens, Dragon Quests, Xenosagas, Valkyrie Profiles, etc.
Oh, and non AdvRPGs like Okami, Katamaris, Tekkens, Ace Combats, Shadow of Colossus, MGSs, GTs, [good] Castlevanias, and a really long list I can't remember.


RSX isn't just a rebadged G70/G71. It is semi-comparible to what ATi will do when they combine RS690 (nb+x700) and SB600 on a die w/SC780...Which isn't coming until next year. Sure it's fairly dated for high-end graphics technology and yields should be mature on that part, but that's hardly the point. The issue is getting decent high-end clocks while having a working chip that contains a functional SB for sound/mem access while staying within whatever power/heat boundries they have...At least, that's what I take from it.

On the game part of your post...I agree bro. This thing looks crappier and crappier every day, especially for the price...but what is a Squenix/Capcom/Konami fan supposed to do? They have us by the balls for our FF/DMC/MGS fix. :mad:

I guess I (we) wait until the platform price justifies the exclusive titles playtime...Which you're right, will prolly be a few years.

[Chris27]

the difference is 360 owners don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD player......... and to say that the PS3 will have the best games is laughable.

You really like Gran Turismo and MGS4 are going to hold a candle to Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Forza 2 ? Don't be rediculous. And the second best game Assassins Creed has been rumored as a 360 game so many times they might as well make the press release tomorrow.

that may be true for a lot of people but personally those games don't interest me in the slightest. I much prefer the many sony exclusive rpg's such as final fantasy. If i do get a console, it will most likely be the ps3. and its price has to fall eventually.

[ahmad]

LOL. Good one uber.

[SlicerSV]

i gave up on Square-Enix's flagship titles years ago. eventually, KH is going to end up a flagship title and i'll have to give it up too... Square-Enix is just making those games worse and worse. FF9 was the last really decent FF game. Star Ocean Til the End of Time was the last Star Ocean i've even heard mentioned.

The next KH is likely going to be the only PS3 title i'll be interested in, and the PS3 will stop being sold before it drops to a price that i can buy it at. So i'm seriously hoping S-E and Nintendo kiss and make up to the point that KH gets designed for Wii, and a half-witted port is made for PS3.

[koei]

Funny people keep arguing back and forth about how Xbox360 is better or PS3 is better. Fact is, PS3 may probably have a small edge over 360 on hardware side, and it's paying the price for that right now. With that being said, in the end, it's the game that matters and people who likes the titles offered by that console will likely decide to buy the console in the end, not that Xbox360 only supports 1080i nor that PS3's RSX was underclocked slightly.

Personally, I will certainly buy a PS3, and possibly Wii later on. I won't lie and say the thought of buying Xbox360 never came across my mind. Watching trailer of Enchanted Arms today gave me that urge to. However, in the end, I am a fan of mainly Japanese games. All I can do is put trust in Japanese game makers to produce some quality titles that won't disappoint.

[ak_47_boy]

if i wanted blue ray and a ps3 i bould get both, the output from the ps3 is going to be very poor compaired to a actual blueray player. I hate 21in1 screwdrivers. Multipurpose is never as good as somthing that is built for a specific job.

edit; its like when the ps1 came out cd players where real expensive, ps1 had a cd playe built in... Do you know anyone who actualy used it, i mean,, just, no.

[Starscream]

I agree with this.

I never thought this way going to hurt sony in a big way... My point is, while the 360 had a bad launch, at the time there wasnt any competition for it, so no big deal, the ps3 comes out with a bad launch, and a higher price, all those xmas buyers waiting for PS3 are going to have to get thier kids something... Not to mention at the same time PS3 comes out 360 finnaly gets some killer apps.

Like you said, i think the launch is going to be messy enough to cost a job or two, but sony will live on.

ya but it seems 2 consoles can easily live side by side.
A while ago i saw sales figures of the Xbox360, the xbox and the PS2 over the last 6 months.
And the PS2 sold very wel as did its games.
a list of very nice games is due to come out for the xbox360, but last i heard is that some of those were also coming out for PS3 So Xbox again misses there unique games that kick ass (did hear that MS signed a deal to have exclusive 6 months rights to the next GTA).

btw the one that said that u can only compaire a PS3 and Xbox360 on price is if u also add the costs of a HD-DVD drive to the Xbox360 price is right.

Both MS and SOny are marketing their console not only as a console but also as a multi media machine (just check out all the junk thats waiting to be launched or already is).
So i think that alot of people owning a xbox360 will buy a HD-DVD drive when its launched.
Theyl buy it under the motto: wow this xbox360 HD-dvd drive is cheaper then a stand alone.

So the xbox360 aint a success yet. its console and game sales have to stay high for a few years for it to be a full success.

and for the HD-dvd vs Blu-ray i hope blu-ray wins.
ya the price for blu-ray discs is abnormal but so were dual layer discs and DVD s when they first arrived.
i simply hope it will win due to its max size.
ya atm there is no reason to have Blu-ray discs that can hold 50 to 100GB but somewere down the line some company will find a reason for so much space on a game or movie disc. So it hink that theoreticly blu-ray if it becomes a success will have a longer life span then HDdvd will have if it becomes a success.
So if Blu-ray wins it means it will take longer before we get another stupid format war.

[Dimitriman]

Welcome back Nintendo...

[[TAG]Imp]

the difference is 360 owners don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD player......... and to say that the PS3 will have the best games is laughable.

You really like Gran Turismo and MGS4 are going to hold a candle to Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Planet, Forza 2 ? Don't be rediculous. And the second best game Assassins Creed has been rumored as a 360 game so many times they might as well make the press release tomorrow.
right.... they just have to... obtain one....
and, although the PS3 is looking bad (i'll prolly go wii, low prices ftw), the 360 dies when put under real stress..

[afireinside]

Why anyone would use a console as a movie player... I don't know.

After everything that's happened I know for sure I won't be getting a ps3. Didn't plan on getting an x360 either but then I saw Gears of War :slobber: Damn epic making it console only...

[[XC] hipno650]

that may be true for a lot of people but personally those games don't interest me in the slightest. I much prefer the many sony exclusive rpg's such as final fantasy. If i do get a console, it will most likely be the ps3. and its price has to fall eventually.

why would you want to play final fantasy when you can get the oh so sexy oblivion for the pc:confused: :slobber:

[MaxxxRacer]

lol.. I would say im sorry that Sony is hurting so badly from this... but im not.. Sony shoots themselves in the foot with about 80% of their new ideas.. This one is no different.

[Thrilla]

They should seriously change PS3's look too, that curve is so 80's, need some square, or circle, or clear with lots of LEDs, people buy things for their looks too, if it looks better than a 360, some total n00bs would rather have PS3 sitting on the shelf eating dust rather than 360.

And what happened to nitento something?

[Cobalt]

I find it incredulous that people were willing to complain about the xbox's size and yet aparently the even bigger PS3 is perfectly acceptable.

The people who say they are only interested in one series for the PS3 (FF mainly) are really conning themselves. Considering the price of the console and games you can't be serious about only wanting it for one game when the 360 already has an FF title, although I don't know if they will be getting more. While many of the 360 exclusive title are set to be a lot better if they live up to the current expectations. On the other hand there are less exclusive PS3 titles and they haven't recived as much hype.

Not to mention that even if the PS3 has a slight hardware edge, its is clearly not as much as we have been led to believe though the "gameplay" vids. Personally the only vids I have seen have either been so low quality recording that I can't tell what the graphics look like or they are are not anywhere near what all the fanboys have been saying.

Recently Sony did a demo comparing the PS2 to the PS3. All it actually showed was how underpowered the PS2 was compared to the other last gen consoles. It also showed that the framerates were appaling (at least on the test hardware). In a 1 on 1 basketball game the fps looked like it was about 30 max, with dips into the teens.

The PS3 has done nothing to impress me so far. I would have been impressed if I had seen it before the 360. I would also have been impressed if they had kept to the original spec, but what I've seen so far isn't worth a dancing banana.

[Slay0r]

I really don't get the people that say "hey well I don't care if my PS3 will not be able to play the latest gen games as long as ON THE PAPER it's better than an xbox360". what the hell? you buy a 500$+ console (that is being continuously downgraded) and are willing to spend 100$+ per game full knowingly a pc that would cost the same outperforms it in frames-per-sec amount and graphic effects? Plus, at the rate "we" are going in graphic evolution i'm pretty sure in 6 months time the PS3 would look about as bad as the PS2 looks to my eyes these days. We have one of the first jawdropping games on the way (crysis) and the oh-so-mighty ps3 can't even play it? cool.

Hell, yeah, the ps3 is the real deal. owns my commodore 64 right left and centre!! :rolleyes:

[onewingedangel]

I'm thinking its a good time to play classic ps1 and ps2 games and wait for the PSthree revision. I don't care too much about graphics, i've just been playing ff9 (had it for years but never got around to playing it) and whilst the low quality graphics are noticeable at first, once you get into the game, the graphics really don't matter.

[mursaat]

I'm thinking its a good time to play classic ps1 and ps2 games and wait for the PSthree revision. I don't care too much about graphics, i've just been playing ff9 (had it for years but never got around to playing it) and whilst the low quality graphics are noticeable at first, once you get into the game, the graphics really don't matter.Absolutely true, so that was my point. I don't mind about Gears of War graphics, I still play Final Fantasy Tactics on my PS1 :D and GT4 on my PS2.

I love all the exclusive series on the sony console(s). And lots of my friends have a Xbox, but when we gather in their house, we always end playing Tekken, MGS or FF instead of Forza or Dead or Alive.

And as I said in my last post, I bought a PS2 for my birthday on July 2006. I will never buy a $500 console. When it's around $200 is more probable.

[phelan1777]

I am so tired of hearing about he PS3 already just f-ing wait ill it comes out, if it comes out, then tear it apart, or praise it in the mean time focus on hardware that is actaully working and available.