NDA is up, ATI X1950 card results!!!!!

[Sanborn]

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/r580+xtx/board-big.jpg

HotHardware (http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=861&cid=1) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX CrossFire, 256MB X1900 XT, X1650 Pro, and X1300 XT
Testbed : FX-60/2GB DDR400

[H] (http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTE0NCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX / CrossFire Evaluation
Testbed : FX-62/2GB DDR2 800

Hexus (http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6538) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX 512MiB
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 800

techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX
Testbed : A64@2.0/2GB DDR400

MADSHRIMPS (http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=482) - Powercolor ATI X1950XTX 512Mb Video Card Review (thanks Jort)
Testbed : A64@2.65/1GB DDR550

mvktech.net (http://www.mvktech.net/content/view/3357/48/) - PowerColor Radeon X1950 XTX 512MB HDCP
Testbed : E6300/2GB DDR2 1000

Legit Reviews (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/378/1/) - The ATI Radeon X1950XTX Video Card Review (Thanks Wicked)
Testbed : X2 A64@2.4GHz/2GB DDR500

The Inquirer (http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33872) - ATI's new DDR 4 X1950 XTX is a wunder kid
Testbed : FX-62/2GB DDR2 800

FiringSquad (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX Performance Preview
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 800

DriverHeaven (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/) - X1950XTX review (thanks Devious)
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 1066

Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2821) - ATI's New High End and Mid Range: Radeon X1950 XTX & X1900 XT 256MB
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 800

The Tech Report (http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/radeon-x1950xtx/index.x?pg=1) - ATI's Radeon X1950 XTX and CrossFire Edition graphics cards...and family
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 800

Bjorn3D (http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=954) - ATI X1950XTX, X1650 Pro and X1300XT
Testbed : X6800/2GB DDR2 800

Guru3D (http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/375/) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX preview
Testbed : FX-62/2GB DDR2 800

Technic3D (http://www.technic3d.com/index.php?site=article&action=article&a=327) - Zurück an die Spitze: PowerColor X1950 XTX Review
Testbed : 955@3.46/2GB DDR2 900

PC Perspective (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?type=expert&aid=287) - ATI Radeon X1950 XTX Review and CrossFire Evaluation
Testbed : Not stated

Legit Reviews (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/379/1/) - ATI Radeon X1950XTX CrossFire Review (thanks Wicked)
Testbed : A64 4800+/2GB PC4000 (is this a joke? - jk)

Quick Briefing From Initial Reviews:
*Slightly more powerful than X1900XTX, with only room to grow from driver enhancements
*Depending on game at a high enough res X1950XTX matches, sometimes beats, a 7960GX2
*The new cooler is MUCH quieter than previous ATI offerings.
*The X1950 is cooler than the X1900 by 5-10º C (depending on review)
*At idle it has higher power usage, at load it has less power usage than a X1900XTX (this is only from a single review, please verify)
*Overclocking not too great, The INQ has highest OC from reviews of 650/2000 @ 689/2178
*Biggest jump from X1900XTX has been seen in Oblivion around +10fps @ 16x12 16xAF/HDR
*From DH: The good news for people who own an X1900 Crossfire Master card is that it is possible to add a X1950XTX to the system and Crossfire works. In fact crossfire works much better than expected with the X1950/X1900 mixture. We had expected scores from the mixed card CF to be almost the exact same as true X1900 crossfire however the mixed card system provided some excellent increases, especially in Oblivion.


-Sanborn

[nn_step]

hmmm
http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/r580+xtx/quake4.png
now that is a powerful card

[Sanborn]

this one is better
http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/r580+xtx/hl2ep1.png

[nn_step]

^^ ? You picked the single game that the GX2 is super fast in. How about some halflife 2 love ;)
i picked that one because:
1) nVidia has the software advantage (it was made specificly for nVidia GPUs)
2) ATi single GPU just beat a Top End nVidia Dual GPU solution
3) and its ownage works best at Uber settings :D

[Sanborn]

To be honest im a bit depressed that the 1950 is only around 2-4 fps faster in most of the benchmarks i've seen. I guess I was expecting more of a boost. maybe with the right drivers the GDDR4 will shine.

I'm upgrading from a 9800 pro 128mb so regardless this is mega ultra fast ;)

Man I hope I can get one next month....

[Hooker]

Why not wait for the DX10 cards?!





You know that both ATi and nVidia don't want to blow their load early

[Sanborn]

1) Because I dont want Nvidias non-unified solution (Or so I've made my mind) and the ATI card will likely be an 07 card (imo). I don't believe in waiting, its just silly. Especially when you could sell this card in a couple months used for almost as much as you paid for it....

2) My computer will be finished within 30 days, I need something to replace my 9800pro by then

[flexo_fk]

woa thats really a nice card


2) ATi single GPU just beat a Top End nVidia Dual GPU solution


but only in 2560*1600

[Sanborn]

It kind of annoys me that all these reviewers are following this method:

They crank individual cards to invidual settings and then compare the two card's performance in a single app.........but on their highest settings.

So if card A does 16x AF and card B does 32x AF and card B is the same fps or slower....it just ends up making that card look mediocre.

I want some real benchmarks from these websites in various resolutions with appropriate settings like 4x AA and 16x AF selected!!!!

[turtle]

hmmm
http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/ati/r580+xtx/quake4.png
now that is a powerful card


Hexus completely screwed up that review by not using an SLI board. Look at their new Quake 4 bench at the bottom.

Still, impressive none-the-less for the x1950.

To tell you the truth, I think [H]'s review was one of the best, at least in the overall coverage/summary (I still don't like how they bench, just like Sanborn just said). The other reviews did the static options though, so I suppose it's alright they go off the beaten track...They both arrived at the same conclusion.

I wonder how many were using HQ for the nvidia cards...

[Daveb2012]

Why not wait for the DX10 cards?!





You know that both ATi and nVidia don't want to blow their load early

screw dx10, we will deal with that hurtle when it gets here.

[Sanborn]

I find it strange that these websites are also only benchmarking like 3-4 games? WTH man, I know they were trying to get these reviews out in time but surely they have enough data and time to do like 6-8 games??? Not everyone plays Oblivion and Quake 4!!

I guess I shouldnt complain tho, its not like there have been a ton of new games.

I can't wait till the benchmarks consist of: UT2007, Crysis, Company of Heroes, Quake Wars, BF2142!! Now that will be something.

[Daveb2012]

I thought it would have a slighter edge over and x1900xtx then it did. I'm not as in much of a hurry to upgrade any more

[Jort]

[M]adshrimps had posted an article too, maybe add it to the forst post :)

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=482

[Sanborn]

I thought it would have a slighter edge over and x1900xtx then it did. I'm not as in much of a hurry to upgrade any more

Depends what you are looking at tho. For example: [H] compared them as so for battlefield 2:

1950XTX: 1600x1200 QUALITY ADAA/ 16x AF
1900XTX: 1600x1200 PERFORMANCE ADAA/16x AF

So the 1950 had alpha AA turned on yet the 1900 didn't, and last time I checked BF2 has a crapload of alpha objects.

edit: You can disregard this comment, the Madshrimps review proves the same thing DaveB said and they actually benchmarked correctly

[wickedld9]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/378/1/

[Sanborn]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6436/untitledue9.jpg

This is pretty impressive

[perkam]

Stickied and couple more reviews added.

Perkam

[Sanborn]

Cool, thanks Perkam. I freaked out for a second because I couldn't find this on the news section under the stickies

[Hicks]

Very disapointing. Infact now im serious stumped as to what to do.

[Sanborn]

Very disapointing. Infact now im serious stumped as to what to do.

What do you mean, you have a GX2?

All I can say is, if anyone is in the same boat as me and they have a craptastic card like a 9800 pro then this is the best upgrade to get (if you can't afford a GX2). Theres 0 sense in waiting for DX10 cards imo. Don't get me wrong, they will be AMAZING....but the waiting game sucks.

[zakelwe]

What do you mean, you have a GX2?

All I can say is, if anyone is in the same boat as me and they have a craptastic card like a 9800 pro then this is the best upgrade to get (if you can't afford a GX2). Theres 0 sense in waiting for DX10 cards imo. Don't get me wrong, they will be AMAZING....but the waiting game sucks.

Unless they are released shortly though of course then you will be kicking yourself....

Regards

Andy

[Sanborn]

Unless they are released shortly though of course then you will be kicking yourself....

Regards

Andy

I can't see it being before December, really before January. Theres no way..........

Sept 15th ATI actually has cards out, they aren't going to release an entire new product that leaves them with a ton of X1900 and X1950's in October or November. Theres no way.

It doesn't really matter anyways, these cards would fetch a pretty penny on ebay as "near mint" condition anyways. I bet you could get the value you paid for it if you didn't wait too long.

[Hicks]

Well i have a 7950 GX2, but im sending it back, it's crap, i don't like it, and i hate Nvidia drivers.

I have a X1800XT 512mb.

[perkam]

Well i have a 7950 GX2, but im sending it back, it's crap, i don't like it, and i hate Nvidia drivers.

I have a X1800XT 512mb.:P: 7950GX2 will scale higher with OCs due to dual GPUs...

It's up to you though...X1950XTX has higher ram oc's on its side...with stock memory clocks higher than most can reach on phase or water.

Perkam

[Sanborn]

Added a pretty good review by DriverHeaven thanks to Devious

[Hicks]

The 7950 is going back, Nvidia drivers are :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

I was going to get this, but i think ill wait now.

[Sanborn]

Bars In Green Are the Averages

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/FEAR%201600.jpg

Quite a difference

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/oblivion%204aa.jpg

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/tomb.jpg

Now check this out:

Look at the averages
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/flight%20x.jpg

Another win that no other review site thought to benchmark
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/gtr2.jpg

As you can tell by now, the performance depends quite large on the game:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/cpu%20scaling%20fear.jpg

[Sanborn]

check this out, you can use 1950XTX with 1900XT CF

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/flashers/cf%20fear.jpg

Summary from DH review:

"Summary:
For anyone who doesn't own an X1900XT or 7900GTX the X1950XTX is a card well worth considering. It delivers low noise with great performance and a very thorough set of features although it is by no means a massive performance jump over anything currently available in stores."

[LenniZ]

Looks like I will be sticking with my X19XT to R600 comes out ;)

[Radeon117X]

Hmm...What do you guys think i should do? I was planning on getting the E6600 with an X1900XT and just OCing that to XTX speeds and above. I can still get the card from NCIX.com (im in Canada) for about $385 after rebate. But you guys think it would be better to wait and get the X1950XTX? I dont see much gain over the X1900XT/X from some reviews and im not planning on Crossfiring for a while. Also, dont laugh, but i game at 1280X1024. Hopefully i can upgrade my monitor after a while, to a 20" widescreen one. But for now i use 1280.

So, X1950 for about $500CDN+ on September 14th?
Or X1900XT for $385CDN after taxes?

Im worried because the X1900XT has been out for 8 months, and i dont want to upgrade until second gen DX10 comes out, or until a year at least after i get the new Core 2 build. I also heard the X1900XT cooler is loud. I need some decision making help. Thanks!

[Sanborn]

I'm getting a X1950XTX over a X1900XTX because its much quieter, much cooler, and it does have a performance boost thats not too shabby (look at average frame rate, not maximum). I don't plan on upgrading till second gen DX10 cards either, because from what I hear there will be a DX10.1 also (rumor).

btw, theres nothing wrong with gaming in 1280x1024...I don't know why you were worried ;)

Its 1024x768 that is blasphemy!

[Radeon117X]

Thanks. But im not sure i want to pay $100 more at all....

By 1280 i mean that it makes me sad when i see benches at 1600X1200 and higher :(

[Sanborn]

Yeah I also play in that res, and I will continue to even on the comp in my sig...well until like a month later when I upgrade for that fancy viewsonic ws monitor.

[Radeon117X]

So, how did you get an X1950XT?

[Sanborn]

So, how did you get an X1950XT?

I don't, the computer in my sig won't be finished till like Sept 20th'ish (if I can get my hands on a 1950)

Btw:

I just added another link to sticky

[n00b 0f l337]

I think most x1900 users just want the stock cooler from x1950! :)
Looks very good but I Think the oc's are going to be truly awesome.

[Nanometer]

Not even close to the benchmarks ATI provided, lol. Not even Nvidia pulls crap like that.

[Hicks]

Not even close to the benchmarks ATI provided, lol. Not even Nvidia pulls crap like that.

Thats the sad thing. Really ATI are pathetic for doing that.

[Sanborn]

ATI was just very sneaky and selective on their tests ;)

[Sanborn]

I have an interesting question for you guys..............

Since the X1950XTX can mix crossfire CF and normal cards with X1900XT....................what do you think the chances are of ATI allowing the R600 card to act as a master card and use the X1950XTX as its secondary in DirectX 9 apps?

[Sanborn]

added more links to sticky

[DilTech]

ATI was just very sneaky and selective on their tests ;)

No, they used "maximum AA" for each card.

With the 7950 GX2, maximum AA is 14xSuperSampling, with the x1950Xtx it's 6xMultisampling... Even the 7900GTX uses 8xSuperSampling for it's maximum AA.

That's why on ATi's slides the x1950xtx stomped the 7950GX2.

[cantankerous]

Man, from reading a few of these reviews it seems overclocking these cards is majorly hindered on the core when compared to the older X1900 cards. Perhaps it is because the memory controller is under much more burden due to the enhanced bandwidth of the GDDR4 chips? Most reviews cant even do max overdrive overclocks which is usually a snap and at the least the card can do with the X1900 cards. Im seeing up to 675 max from an expected 695. This is with 1.424+v as well which is default in 3D mode. My current XTX can do 680 with only 1.400v flat 100% stable.

[oshua]

I have an interesting question for you guys..............

Since the X1950XTX can mix crossfire CF and normal cards with X1900XT....................what do you think the chances are of ATI allowing the R600 card to act as a master card and use the X1950XTX as its secondary in DirectX 9 apps?
I wouldn't think so because the R600 will have internal crossfire bridges.

[Sanborn]

ok, well now I know. Maybe by some stroke of huge luck thise whole GPU physics card thing will take off and I can use the 1950XTX as a PPU instead of selling it off.

[keiths]

If so many "reviews" show the same narrow few games even compared to the short list of games usually used for reviews, it's likely it's been dictated to be that way; aka paid advertisments, not really reviews.

[JuanFlaiter]

I loved this review:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/08/23/ati_radeon_x1950xtx/1.html

Tim always does a great work on high end cards :)

[Radeon117X]

It's a nice review by Tim alright. But I think i should still get an X1900XT and just OC it to XTX speeds to hold me until R600. Sound good? Or should i just jump for the X1950XTX when i buy my stuff in September?

[mdzcpa]

No, they used "maximum AA" for each card.

With the 7950 GX2, maximum AA is 14xSuperSampling, with the x1950Xtx it's 6xMultisampling... Even the 7900GTX uses 8xSuperSampling for it's maximum AA.

That's why on ATi's slides the x1950xtx stomped the 7950GX2.

Yep, ATI thinks they're fooling someone with their propaganda.

That aside, the X1950XT came in right about where I thought it would. Its the best single gpu solution but comes up short versus the GX2 dual GPU solution. The 1950 is priced accordingly though. It should sell well.

Anand again has the best review IMO.

[Radeon117X]

It's an XTX that was reviewed btw :p

But ATi should release an X1950XT at like 625 core 1800MHz memory. Then i'd buy that if it were around $400 USD.

[GoriLLakoS]

Here are some results:

Cards 730/1107 stock volts on Xfire

2001

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429612

2005
http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429613

2006

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429614

Something is not going well with overclocked cards when on Xfire..

but after a little we found a way to clock them and get right results..:D

Cards 722/1107

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429635

Stock mhz on cards...650/1000

2001 only lod3 to nature

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429278


2005

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=429279

2006

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=428903

More results tomorrow..

Thanks to our team member dimcar for the results..:T:

[Cooper]

Gorillakos you haven`t misplaced any of pics ?

Cos OCed cards show smaller results then stock ones :D

[GoriLLakoS]

Look what i have write after the 3rd pic..:D

[Cooper]

Look what i have write after the 3rd pic..:D

yeah definatly something`s wrong here
Guess new drivers would fix this issue :)

[Eastcoasthandle]

To me this looks like another x1800xt to x1900xtx in a few month senerio. You buy the x1950xtxt now and within a few months the R600 pops up with a nice bump in performance. It will make the X1900xtx look like the x1800xt when the x1900xtx came out. I say wait, it's been rumored that the R600 may make it's appearance before the end of this year. Are those 6 mosfets on that x1950xtx? Are we to expect 7 on the R600?

Also, it's also been speculated that the x1950xtx has loose timing. Is there anyway it can be tighten up?

[JamesAvery22]

Anyone else notice the ram heatsink isnt the same for all of the cards?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed2_small.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed2.jpg)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/3

That heatsink is more of a U, it has some big pad that looks like its supposed to go on the rage theater chip, but it doesnt :confused:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/images/12-s.jpg (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/images/12.jpg)
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/page2.asp

The rest are more like a J

[Jodiuh]

What I'd really like to see now is an article/post about the coolers.

Specifically:

X1900XT @ 100%
X1900XTX @ 100%
Accelero @ 100%

What temps of core and case...how it affects the system temps...and then of course noise levels.

[wickedld9]

Anyone else notice the ram heatsink isnt the same for all of the cards?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed2_small.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/images/unscrewed2.jpg)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/X1950XTX/3

That heatsink is more of a U, it has some big pad that looks like its supposed to go on the rage theater chip, but it doesnt :confused:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/images/12-s.jpg (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/images/12.jpg)
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x1950_xtx_performance/page2.asp

The rest are more like a J

I believe that's for the compositing chip on the master card. I don't believe pictures from the firing squad were actually photos that they took. :P

[cantankerous]

I am no where near as anxious to get this card as I was earlier when it was announced. The performance increase is VERY negligible. I thought it would have been more. Better performance IS better performance but at the cost of a whole new card over my XTX which already does plenty well? I was still thinking of getting the card because I wanted to know I had THE best single gpu solution when all the great games come out this fall however two things are worrying me.

1.) overclocking. Seems to not be quite as good as the X1900 in terms of getting the core stable at higher clocks with at least stock voltage. A few of the reviews from the first page have mentioned this. I hope when end users get this card in their hands they can prove this different.

2.) The X2 installed on my XTX now is DEAD silent. I don't care how quiet this new cooler is compared to the other stock cooler, I still don't think it is going to be as quiet as my X2 is now meaning more noise then I have become accustomed to.

[arisythila]

Well i have a 7950 GX2, but im sending it back, it's crap, i don't like it, and i hate Nvidia drivers.

I have a X1800XT 512mb.


some would say the same thing about ATI drivers... I personally HATE Ati drivers...

~Mike

[BlackX]

Not what I was expecting..

[biohead]

so what are the x1900's gonna cost?

[BlackX]

so what are the x1900's gonna cost?

After all these tests I wouldnt expect big price drop for X1900 :(

[Revv23]

Hmmm, if they had availability right now i would own one already, but i feel by next month we will have alot more R600 hype and i just wont have the deal heat that i have right now.

I think if they make a quick drop to $400 ill still get it, but if they are $450 at the end of sept forget it.

[Jodiuh]

...this new cooler is compared to the other stock cooler, I still don't think it is going to be as quiet as my X2...

I read on one of these reviews...5000RPM. That can't be quieter than 2000RPM.

some would say the same thing about ATI drivers... I personally HATE Ati drivers...

I used to. Right after they introed CCC I lost it. But now it only takes about 5 seconds to load. That's plenty tolerable. I don't like how the windows desktop upon bootup will go black for a moment. And also go black when you change driver settings. But those are minor issues imo.

Still, I would love to see a driver page that at minimal...resizable. And in best case scenario, all driver options available with NO FREAKIIN SCROLLING NECCESSARY!!!! :banana: :banana:

[Shift]

Bit-tech too hasa review of this card
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/08/23/ati_radeon_x1950xtx/1.html

[gundamit]

After all these tests I wouldnt expect big price drop for X1900 :(It'll be a long time before price mistakes like this become reality.:D
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2401/atidreamnn6.jpg

[cantankerous]

Something crossed my mind at work last night. They are obviously comparing stock X1900XTX to stock X1950XTX (unless its during an overclocked part of the review) and results are only 2-4fps better on the X1950. Wouldn't an overclocked X1900XTX net at least the same increase in performance over a stock X1950 without spending a dime? Coupled with an X2 which is guaranteed to be quieter at 100% speed it's hard to be beat. The other issue is CCC and overclocker.exe all have very relaxed timings when clocking the cards where at atitool doesn't. I think an overclock with tighter timings on an X1900 would do much better than the X1950 which already has slacker timings due to GDDR4 being used. If W1zzard could get some better timings going on in atitool for the X1950 we may have a comparison but I am really thinking twice about wanting this card now. I think the new cooler is what ATI is hoping will sell this card cause the performance increase really isn't there.

[Celcius]

I think an overclock with tighter timings on an X1900 would do much better than the X1950 which already has slacker timings due to GDDR4 being used. If W1zzard could get some better timings going on in atitool for the X1950 we may have a comparison but I am really thinking twice about wanting this card now. I think the new cooler is what ATI is hoping will sell this card cause the performance increase really isn't there.
Well said :clap:

[cantankerous]

Thank you.

Another thought crossed my mind however on ATI's defence. It was stated on some review sites that the downloadable 6.8 drivers from ATI's site didn't recognize the card too well and 6.7 was used. I assume these were the 'special' drivers included with the card that include the recognition of the X1950 cards and probably that is about it. Perhaps with a future Catalyst release (6.9?) we will see better performance due to a fine tuning of the drivers for the new card seeing as though the drivers/card work differently than the older cards with the newer memory type with different timings. If this is the case I can see another 3-5% in performance with properly tuned drivers.

[Revv23]

that and you should have much more overclocking headroom on the 1950 if they ever get a tool that works for it.

[gr8golf]

It'll be a long time before price mistakes like this become reality.:D
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2401/atidreamnn6.jpg

Isn't this the Best Buy Employee pricing that was posted on slickdeals.net and FatWallet?

[cantankerous]

that and you should have much more overclocking headroom on the 1950 if they ever get a tool that works for it.

I hope this is true cause some of the results the reviewers were getting were less than adequate, less than the x1900 on the core.

[Revv23]

what do you mean?

Every review i have seen they maxed out the overclocker tool before even changning volts.

[cantankerous]

let me go through the reviews again and point some out. I know there was two off my head where they couldn't even max CCC overdrive's 690, instead they were getting late 660's to late 670's max.

[havoxz]

so; i was just reading over all these posts and i was coincidently looking for a new graphics card ;P

i was waiting for the x1950xtx because i want one gfx that i can hold onto until half way through next year when i can pick up a dx10 card (hopefully 2nd gen?)

but i was looking over some results and the x1950xtx is only JUST ahead of x1900xtxs in most.

what graphics card should i get? x1900xt and clock to a x1900xtx?
the 7950gx2 does really well too but people are paying it out? (because of the drivers?)

[BlackX]

so; i was just reading over all these posts and i was coincidently looking for a new graphics card ;P

i was waiting for the x1950xtx because i want one gfx that i can hold onto until half way through next year when i can pick up a dx10 card (hopefully 2nd gen?)

but i was looking over some results and the x1950xtx is only JUST ahead of x1900xtxs in most.

what graphics card should i get? x1900xt and clock to a x1900xtx?
the 7950gx2 does really well too but people are paying it out? (because of the drivers?)

I would recommend X1900XT.

[[XC] Lead Head]

I read on one of these reviews...5000RPM. That can't be quieter than 2000RPM.



I used to. Right after they introed CCC I lost it. But now it only takes about 5 seconds to load. That's plenty tolerable. I don't like how the windows desktop upon bootup will go black for a moment. And also go black when you change driver settings. But those are minor issues imo.

Still, I would love to see a driver page that at minimal...resizable. And in best case scenario, all driver options available with NO FREAKIIN SCROLLING NECCESSARY!!!! :banana: :banana:

the fan is 5000rpm at 100% where it can keep the x1950 at about 50*C load, can the x2 keep an x1950 at 50*c load? and a review also said at 2000-3000rpm it was pretty quiet and still kept the card cool enough

[havoxz]

I would recommend X1900XT.

anyone else? perhaps ill make a new thread sooner to my date of purchase, dont want to hijack this one

the results are disappointing tho

[perkam]

X1900XT is ~$300 on newegg...nothing's faster than that.

If you're nvidia inclined, the 7950GT will be a 7900GTX for $299...the only problem being...the X1900 comes with a full cooler, the 7950GT comes with the less than adequate 7900GT/7600GT cooler and will require an additional $30 investment towards a zalman vf to make it competitive.

Perkam

[Sanborn]

I think im going to buy an X1900XT and one of those X2 coolers over the X1950

[cantankerous]

the fan is 5000rpm at 100% where it can keep the x1950 at about 50*C load, can the x2 keep an x1950 at 50*c load? and a review also said at 2000-3000rpm it was pretty quiet and still kept the card cool enough

The accelero X2 DEFINATELY can't keep the core at 50c full load. Not even close, more like 1.5 times that but the card is still very stable and COMPLETELY SILENT.

If this new cooler is anything like the HIS cooler just about everyone says 68% is the sweet spot for performance vs. noise.

[BlackX]

I think im going to buy an X1900XT and one of those X2 coolers over the X1950

What is the difference between X2 and stock, except of of noise of course?

[Revv23]

What is the difference between X2 and stock, except of of noise of course?


i dont think much in the way of temps.

[BlackX]

i dont think much in the way of temps.

So is the stock cooler so loud?

[Jodiuh]

the fan is 5000rpm at 100% where it can keep the x1950 at about 50*C load, can the x2 keep an x1950 at 50*c load?

Not a chance! Where are those 50C numbers from? What review? I'm w/ Cantankerous on this one, 100% on Accelero hits 70C for me. But my system temps go nice and high cause I'm only running a single 120MM for exhaust.

The whole point of the Accelero's the silence. Even @ 15%, the stock 19XT's fan's louder than the X2 IMO. And of course, it hits crazy hot temps at those low speeds. So the real questions for those of us that prefer quiet computing...

1. At what speed must the new fan run to equal the X2's db level? 30-50%?
2. What temps will we see when running FEAR at those levels? 70C?

If db/temp can be made even with the X2, I'd be all over ATI's email looking for a replacement fan as air from GPU should be OUTSIDE THE CASE. Maybe they'll color me a nice black one!!

[Nanometer]

The drivers will further mature and increase the performance gap more between the 7950GX2 and the 1950XTX. The official drivers were somwhat recently released, you can expect some performance gains to be seen. Like Perkam mentioned overlocking a GX2 will be like overclocking SLI, they will scale much more than overclocking a single GPU because there are two.

[BlackX]

The drivers will further mature and increase the performance gap more between the 7950GX2 and the 1950XTX. The official drivers were somwhat recently released, you can expect some performance gains to be seen. Like Perkam mentioned overlocking a GX2 will be like overclocking SLI, they will scale much more than overclocking a single GPU because there are two.

Yeah of course :D wouldnt be so funny if you were not the GX2 owner :rolleyes:

[cantankerous]

nothing special but another review of the X1950XTX can be found here.

http://www.sfftech.com/index.php?/articles/show/956/1

[rob725]

i picked that one because:
1) nVidia has the software advantage (it was made specificly for nVidia GPUs)
2) ATi single GPU just beat a Top End nVidia Dual GPU solution
3) and its ownage works best at Uber settings :D

I'm pretty sure the bar on the top is for crossfire configuration (2 cards), not for the crossfire version of the card.

This is a nice card, but just a little faster than the 1900's which can be found now with huge discounts/rebates.

[Cooper]

Unstuck

[Revv23]

11th now, still not at newegg... time to start calling it a bunk launch i think

[DilTech]

Launch day is technically the 14th...

Still a paper launch, but it's not technically past their promised launch date.

[GoriLLakoS]

Someone has 26 pieces of 1950 and selling them to ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-435843-RADEON-X1950-XTX-ATI-TECHNOLOGIES_W0QQitemZ150031832743QQihZ005QQcatego ryZ40158QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[SoulGG]

I ordered an X1950XTX from buy.com Thursday...Didn't ship until today though, will be here wednesday:D

[iddqd]

1) Because I dont want Nvidias non-unified solution (Or so I've made my mind) and the ATI card will likely be an 07 card (imo). I don't believe in waiting, its just silly. Especially when you could sell this card in a couple months used for almost as much as you paid for it....

2) My computer will be finished within 30 days, I need something to replace my 9800pro by then
Eh, 9800 pro will get you through most games on reasonably high settings.

Until then, you could just avoid 3d benches ;)

Waiting as a philosophy is situational. If you already have something like s939, or s754, or s478/489 intel, might as well wait for DX10 generation. I don't think this is the case with you, though.

[DilTech]

Eh, 9800 pro will get you through most games on reasonably high settings.

Until then, you could just avoid 3d benches ;)

Waiting as a philosophy is situational. If you already have something like s939, or s754, or s478/489 intel, might as well wait for DX10 generation. I don't think this is the case with you, though.

You'd think that, but no...

My backup PC still has a 9800pro in it, and let me tell you.... 800x600 is just ugly.

If you like playing pretty much any game in multiplayer a 9800pro is certainly showing it's age.

[iddqd]

You'd think that, but no...

My backup PC still has a 9800pro in it, and let me tell you.... 800x600 is just ugly.

If you like playing pretty much any game in multiplayer a 9800pro is certainly showing it's age.
Really? Because I can play most new games no problem on my x700 mobility, which, I understand has very similar specs to 9800 pro (x700-M : 8 pipes, 128mb memory, 256 bit, 350mhz core/450 memory)

I can play BF2 on my laptop at 1152x864 with high settings and even 2xAA without any FPS lag. HL2 and FarCry are even less demanding.

[DilTech]

BF2, HL2, and FC aren't very demanding period..

Try loading up f.e.a.r., Dark Messiah, oblivion, or any of the like and you'll see what I mean.

[iddqd]

I don't like any of those games though.

[DilTech]

Then you're fine with what you have.

That's how the decision should be made... Can you play the games you do at comfortable settings with the hardware you have? If the answer is no, then it's upgrade time. If the answer is yes, then stick with what you have.

There's no need to upgrade just because something comes out and crushes your 3dmark score.

[adfinni]

Lol, i was soo hoping for something great form these cards. Now im glad a got a couple of HIS ICEQ X1900XT's for cheap :D:D:D

[iddqd]

Then you're fine with what you have.

That's how the decision should be made... Can you play the games you do at comfortable settings with the hardware you have? If the answer is no, then it's upgrade time. If the answer is yes, then stick with what you have.

There's no need to upgrade just because something comes out and crushes your 3dmark score.
Didn't I just say that two posts ago? ;)

The x700-M rig is a laptop, which I use a lot more than my faster (albeit, not so portable) desktop. I know I can get a faster laptop, such as a Macbook pro with x1600-M, but I don't play anything that needs that. Hell, the game I play the most is a Warcraft III mod :cool:

[Russ_64]

It's an XTX that was reviewed btw :p

But ATi should release an X1950XT at like 625 core 1800MHz memory. Then i'd buy that if it were around $400 USD.

@Radeon117X - they have listened to you mate !

I just bought one from Sapphire (not even listed at AMD/ATi yet). Thanks for suggesting it - specs are spot on.

[Think]

08-23-2006

This post is a little old don't you think Russ?

[kemo]

This post is a little old don't you think?
You can't use old for August in the news section that thread is totally dead

[Russ_64]

Sorry - just wanted to let him know that he was right.

[Rovtar]

*Depending on game at a high enough res X1950XTX matches, sometimes beats, a 7960GX2

mistake :)

[Order]

A 7960GX2 is a 7950 overclocked by 10MHz lol :).

[Revv23]

Didn't I just say that two posts ago? ;)

The x700-M rig is a laptop, which I use a lot more than my faster (albeit, not so portable) desktop. I know I can get a faster laptop, such as a Macbook pro with x1600-M, but I don't play anything that needs that. Hell, the game I play the most is a Warcraft III mod :cool:


Sorry for OT, but you talking about DOTA?