Gigabyte DS3 :HIdden Advanced Chipset Features (NOT Ctrl+F1)

[SlackerXL]

i was trying some new cpus and ram on my ds3,
during my last reboot,
in the post screen, and instead of the usual IDE scan
it instantly showed a message about configuring fans
and the system rebooted

After that,in the main bios screen the order of the fields changed...
A new field under the title "Advanced Chipset Features" has been added

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/SlackerXL/picture1.jpg

in this menu there were only the two options shown in the pic below
(the manual doesn't even mention these things)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/SlackerXL/picture3.jpg

also in the PC Health field i could now see the temps of the MCH & ICH!!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/SlackerXL/picture2.jpg

the only info i found about the HECI1
was a pdf from intels 965 page (link (http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/31305302.pdf#search=%22HECI%20advanced%20chipset%2 0futures%22)

After loading the bios defaults
the hidden menu vanished..
been trying since then to renable it but nothing so far :mad:


specs
Gigabyte DS3 Bios:F4E
CPU: 6600 B2

[InternalStorm]

Were the two "Advanced" options enabled by default? If so I won't worry about them probably don't need them anyways :P but the temps are very cool to have. Wonder if anyone will be able to find a way to get them back permanently... thanks for sharing!

[CrazyJohn]

i found that too, but it vanished after a reboot and since upgrading to F3 habent seen it...

any bios editor? i've tried award bios editor and it didn't recognize the bios file... ;/

sb have edited bioses on XS, maybe could help...

[SlackerXL]

Were the two "Advanced" options enabled by default? If so I won't worry about them probably don't need them anyways :P but the temps are very cool to have. Wonder if anyone will be able to find a way to get them back permanently... thanks for sharing!

yeap
i did like to be able to check those temp readings
as for the other settings , yes they were enabled by default
but i don't know if thats a good thing or not :p:

[CrazyJohn]

mine were Enabled as well :)

plz sb do a modded bios for DS3 :)

[Frackal]

Interesting

[CrazyJohn]

wrote a topic in XS BIOS:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112349

[oijkue]

Yes,I had same experience,too

platform:
DS3 (BIOS F4E)
E6300 B1 ES
A-DATA DDR2-533 512Mx2 (elpida -5c chip)
ATI RAGE-XL PCI
hitachi 80G IDE 2M

when I try to oc my new rams,several days ago
set FSB450 1:1 5-5-5-15 +0.5V,but its failed
after reboot into BIOS,when I push ctrl+F1
the advanced chipset features window showed

MCH temputre was show 63c
when I put a fan on it,the temputre still 63c

but when I use original rams (transcend 667 elpida -6e chip)
everything is ok

here is the image I took

[Tony]

Easy one this one...go to bios, enter PC health status and choose to configure you fans..IE enable CPU fan warning etc etc...your board will enter a global reset once you F10 and reboot.

Now enter bios again and do the CTRL F1 and you will see the added advanced chipset option.

No bios mod needed ;)

T

[Jodiuh]

So what's the 411 on these? Disable for majic OC magic?

[Richard Dower]

I tried this on the DQ6, couldn't get any extra menus.

[SlackerXL]

Easy one this one...go to bios, enter PC health status and choose to configure you fans..IE enable CPU fan warning etc etc...your board will enter a global reset once you F10 and reboot.

Now enter bios again and do the CTRL F1 and you will see the added advanced chipset option.

No bios mod needed ;)

T
thanks Tony ;)

(Honestly though, i can't think of one reason
why they should not mention about that in the manual...)

[Eli]

I'm using bios version f4 and have no luck using the above method. I'm curious as to what my mch temps are.

[CrazyJohn]

Easy one this one...go to bios, enter PC health status and choose to configure you fans..IE enable CPU fan warning etc etc...your board will enter a global reset once you F10 and reboot.

Now enter bios again and do the CTRL F1 and you will see the added advanced chipset option.

No bios mod needed ;)

T

not working for me either

what bios ver do u have?
global reset is only a reset or the one when it shuts down and powers on?
my f4e bios makes it only reset even after the fan metod control is changed

[Tony]

Set this.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/DS3/IMG_1822.JPG

you will get a global reboot warning, once you reboot you will see this.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/DS3/IMG_1825.JPG

It looks like nothing has happened till you do this.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/DS3/IMG_1826.JPG

Now you should see this.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/DS3/IMG_1823.JPG

Which opened up should show this.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.leach80/DS3/IMG_1824.JPG

[Brahmzy]

Wow, great find. The mystery is over, hehe. I kinda miss my DS3.

[heydo6]

cool trick

[whoodiestyle]

thats one dusty keyboard

[GAM]

I have a DQ6 and noticed both the menu option and the extra temps. Hadn't seen them again. I haven't tried the trick though.

[GAM]

thats one dusty keyboard
I think you will find it looks worse than it really is due to the translucent keys.

[CrazyJohn]

ok, Tony, with all the respect. It does NOT work ;]
And plz answer, me this time, these questions:
what bios ver do you have?
and what does "global reboot" mean? is it this one where you get a red warning message, the system shuts down, waits 2-3sec and powers on?
if so i have no global reboots since i've upgraded to F4e bios.

And pictures:

I've had this
http://me.ts.avx.pl/hiddenmenu/1.jpg

and changed to this:
http://me.ts.avx.pl/hiddenmenu/2.jpg

then there was a normal reboot, i went into bios and pressed this
http://me.ts.avx.pl/hiddenmenu/3.jpg

and nothing... :|

my boot screen /sorry for the poor quality/
http://me.ts.avx.pl/hiddenmenu/4.jpg
bios ver: F4e

[dinos22]

LOOOOOOOOOOL! at the screenshots in the thread

yeah i'm on F4E and this guys is not bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing.........i don't see advanced chipset option either but do see the extra temps and all :)

[b0bd0le]

whoa you guys both have the same keyboard

[Tony]

Bios F4E

You boot to bios, you set like i set in the harware monitor section, as you F10 the bios spews out some message about enabling something and global reset...it is in a red box in the middle of the screen.

You then reboot and enter bios....once there you have to ctrl f1 to then see the advanced chipset option.

That is ALL I DID LOL...nothing else from a cmos clear, if your board does not do it i have a different rev to you. This board was bought from Fry's round the corner from OCZ...its nothing special.

[CrazyJohn]

Bios F4E

You boot to bios, you set like i set in the harware monitor section, as you F10 the bios spews out some message about enabling something and global reset...it is in a red box in the middle of the screen.

so mine does not display it. even when i change VCore.

rev:
http://me.ts.avx.pl/hiddenmenu/DS3rev10.jpg

[Lestat]

not sure if anyone said this or not,,

ok i just deleted what i said as i was way off base, kind of.

here is what the Intel 965 Chipset PDF says


Note: As HECI is an internal device in the GMCH, the INTA# pin is
implemented as an INTA# message to the ICH8.

so.... looks like the HECI is going to have a direct relationship on the Northbridge.


so has anyone tested disabling those settings and then checked for stability. and such.

interesting that those settings would even show up... Alot of the HECI talk in the PDF is all memory mapping, so its hard to say what the true nature of HECI is without having someone who knows ALOT about the intel chipsets.

*EDIT*

further reading is indicating that the HECI is a host controller, which directly interacts with DMA and the processor.
There is talk about power states of DMA devices, memory mapping of DMA devices and other things of that nature.

this could be some sort of power state setting, which probably wouldnt have any effect on system stability when certain power saving features arent being used. S1/S3 mode ? C1/EIST ?

hard to say..

but interesting that it shows up when the fan controls are set a certain way

[d@rkn1ko]

don't work for me :(

[b0bd0le]

Bus Master Enable (BME): This bit controls the HECI host
controller's ability to act as a system memory master for data
transfers.
0 = Disable. HECI is blocked from generating MSI to the host
processor.
1 = Enable


9.1.9 HECI_MBAR—HECI MMIO Base Address
B/D/F/Type: 0/3/0/PCI
Address Offset: 10–17h
Default Value: 0000000000000004h
Access: RO, R/W
Size: 64 bits
This register allocates space for the HECI memory-mapped registers defined in Section
1.3.7.
Bit Access &
Default
Description
63:4 R/W
00000000
0000000h
Base Address (BA): This field provides the base address of register
memory space.
3 RO
0b
Prefetchable (PF): This bit indicates that this range is not prefetchable
2:1 RO
10b
Type (TP): This field indicates that this range can be mapped
anywhere in 64-bit address space. Note that the (G)MCH only uses
bits 35:4 of the base address field as the (G)MCH only decodes FSB
address bits 35:4.
0 RO
0b
Resource Type Indicator (RTE): This bit indicates a request for
register memory space.


1.3.7 Graphics Features (Intel® 82Q965, 82Q963, 82G965
GMCH)
The GMCH provides an integrated graphics device (IGD) delivering cost competitive
3D, 2D and video capabilities. The GMCH contains an extensive set of instructions for
3D operations, 2D operations, motion compensation, overlay, and display control. The
GMCH’s video engines support video conferencing and other video applications. The
GMCH uses a UMA configuration with up to 256 MB of DVMT for graphics memory. The
GMCH also has the capability to support external graphics accelerators via the PCI
Express* Graphics (PEG) port but cannot work concurrently with the integrated
graphics device. High bandwidth access to data is provided through the system
memory port.

[Lestat]

yeah the HECI does way more than just deal with video.

read more of the PDF

BUT you just brought up a valid point

it may not be there because the board isnt using onboard video... so they removed it.

but again odd tha the temp. settings would show..

[ZachSaw]

yeah the HECI does way more than just deal with video.

read more of the PDF

BUT you just brought up a valid point

it may not be there because the board isnt using onboard video... so they removed it.

but again odd tha the temp. settings would show..

Someone could probably email gigabyte and request for this feature. It'll be good to know MCH temp. I'm using a probe from multimeter to measure it now. And I could only measure the heatsink, not the chip itself.

[CrazyJohn]

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)

[ZachSaw]

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)

Have you touched the zalman on your GPU? I bet you feel it's not hot as well, but the core might be touching 70C. One thing I realised with such fan-styled heatsink is that the fins don't feel hot, but the base is actually pretty hot. So the MCH temp is still very useful.

Just from my personal experience, my GPU reaches 70C (extreme OC with voltmod on 7300GT Zalman Edition) and yet the heatsink only feels moderately warm. And yes, the heatsink is sitting perfectly on top of the core.

I remember there's a guy in one of these threads who is in direct contact with Gigabyte. We can ask him to add this feature request to Gigabyte. With that, I think Speedfan or any monitoring software can access in Windows as well. That'll be good.

[ZachSaw]

about MCH temp (small OT) I just put the old blue zalman on NB and 50mm 5V fan - it is silent and the temp must have fallen because right now i can touch zalman. with the stock cooling i was unable to touch it... this may be a good solution to all ppl who care enough to worry about MCH temp :)

BTW, is yours the fan-styled one or the squarish one? Is it hard to fit it in there? It's probably harder in my case, coz I've got a Gigabyte G-Power heatsink which covers the NB partially. But one thing good about that is, it helps to cool the sides of the CPU too -- MOSFETs and NB. I have a 40mm fan on it, and another old P3 fan on top of that (not directly on top, rather, beside it so that it cools my ram a bit too). I manage to get the NB down to 42C idle, 47C load. That's with ambient of 29C. Have you tried probing it?

[RacerX]

I noticed I needed to clear cmos then only make the change that Tony suggested and the hidden chipset feature will appear. Works like a charm.

[Fred_Pohl]

I also had to clear the CMOS to get the hidden features to show up but after I made some changes and saved them, the hidden features were gone and don't come back without clearing the CMOS again. Monitoring those temps is very desireable but not if I have to clear the CMOS after every reboot to get to them.

What I found VERY disturbing is that my MCH temp was 63C like Tony's was in his SS. This was at stock settings, stock TIM removed and replaced with AS-C with a 50mm fan on the NB heatsink. That seems rather hot IMO.

[The_Hardstylez]

This works too with bios F3 :)

[IluvIntel]

I have not enabled "Intel QSI" in cpu fan bios submenu. I'm using bios F4d with my DQ6 mobo and I can easily access Advanced chipset timings menu for DDR2 with "Ctl + F1"

[Lestat]

we are not talking about DDR II timings that has nothing to do with this thread.. the ddr II timings are the standard features when hitting ctrl-F1
O_o

[ZachSaw]

I also had to clear the CMOS to get the hidden features to show up but after I made some changes and saved them, the hidden features were gone and don't come back without clearing the CMOS again. Monitoring those temps is very desireable but not if I have to clear the CMOS after every reboot to get to them.

What I found VERY disturbing is that my MCH temp was 63C like Tony's was in his SS. This was at stock settings, stock TIM removed and replaced with AS-C with a 50mm fan on the NB heatsink. That seems rather hot IMO.

Mine too. But I don't think it should be any concern because I tried to stop the fan I mounted on top of it and the temp didn't change at all. Don't think it's a working feature at all.

[Fred_Pohl]

I hope you're right but I have a few concerns:

1) There is another screen shot in this thread showing 46C MCH.

2) When I removed my NB HS and TIM, the HS base was very poorly finished but I didn't lap it since I didn't even know if the mobo worked yet.

3) The push pins don't seem to apply enough pressure to ensure good contact, IMO

[CrazyJohn]

it's not fair! :(
it's not working for me! :) damn ;/ F5C and F4E tried

[IluvIntel]

we are not talking about DDR II timings that has nothing to do with this thread.. the ddr II timings are the standard features when hitting ctrl-F1
O_o

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:

[CrazyJohn]

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:

we ARE talking about HIDDEN FEATURES in DS3 MB.

Ctrl+F1 settings are hidden, but they're not what we are discussing here.

read the 1st post again and you'll notice it's not about timings but aboutr MCH Temp, and two enabled unknown functions - these functions are hidden on DS3 and appear only sometimes

[jorisleem]

is there a solution already?

[schriss]

I can easily access Advanced chipset timings menu for DDR2 with "Ctl + F1"

I can't. Tried with 3 different bios versions.
CTRL+F1 adds mem timings and other options for example SMART, numlock on/off etc. But not the Advanced Chipset menu.

[Lestat]

Nothing to do with this thread???? What ? :rolleyes:

So advanced chipset features are not related to DDR2 timings ?

Who are you kidding ? :stick:


this entire thread is about 1 setting.. 1 hidden setting that is a bug in the bios that happens to show up randomly for a couple of bios's.

memory timings are not it and if you had read anything in this thread you would have known this..

the advance chipset featres that are hidden and not accessable have nothing to do with ram or ram timings.

again maybe if you had actually read the thread instead of running right to the end of the thread and posting something that has nothing to do with what this entire thread is about you would know memory timings are not what we are talking about.

@schris

IluvIntel is not correctly wording what he is doing, he isnt going to advance chipset features. he is going to the overclocking menu that we aLL have ..


stop trying to mess with the "Advanced chipset" HIDDEN menu becuase i am pretty sure gigabyte has totally removed it from being found.
i was never able to get it to work. and i definately cant make it work now with the F6a bios.

[WiCKeD]

I had it working on the F3.

I flashed back to F3, it started working again. I flashed to F6 and the setting was only retained temporarily. As soon as the board reset it was gone again.

Also, I compared the temp using my JPac thermal probe. Temp was within 2-3 degrees of the bios reading and judging by my placement of the temp sensor, I would say the motherboard reported readings are dead on.

The push pins on the stock northbridge cooler do not provide enough pressure so my stock heatsink was running at 75 degrees! It was running at 55 degrees on another board where I did not replace the thermal pad. Putting a Zalman on the heatsink dropped the temps to around 50 degrees and ~40 with any sort of air flow.

[iViper]

Nice Find. Must have a fiddle.

[ClockCatcher]

Also, I compared the temp using my JPac thermal probe. Temp was within 2-3 degrees of the bios reading and judging by my placement of the temp sensor, I would say the motherboard reported readings are dead on.

So I should trust temp readings from BIOS/EasyTune/SpeedDan than CoreTemp?

[Lestat]

i use speedfan and only that

[WiCKeD]

Well, I was talking about the northbridge, but after squeezing the tip of the probe under the waterblock I would say the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool is definitely the one to use. It jumps around 2-3° outside of actual, but was dropping at the same rate as the thermal probe. At load, Speedfan is about 5° below this and Coretemp is about 5° above this, but they both seem to be reading the diode. Coretemp is much closer at idle, though.

[Jodiuh]

i use speedfan and only that

*hovers over systray icon...smiles*

[HamidFULL]

for enable this future only Set "Fan Speed Control Method" to "Intel QST" and save and exit setup then after restart u can see MCH ICH ... temp and other future I test it with my DS4 F5 it works

[Darmach]

The only thing that is this topic about - is GBtes bios bug, which shows to ppl things that shouldnt been there - because u dont have gfx onboard.

And - as some ppl realized - MCH temperature dont have anything in common with real temp in there.

In every case - even when 15C in room, and 80mm delta 7K rpm on NB heatsink - shows me 63 C

conclucion?

It doesnt work :]

ONE MORE THING - when you are writinig about problems with those mobo.
Write which revision u have - there are pretty huge differences between them :)

check here http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/2006/11/29/666197-000.html

[Lestat]

wait a minute you dug up a 4 month old thread to tell us what ?

tell us what we already knew, and to tell us to go visit another website ?
and then to squawk about something about the temps?

thanks new guy

[hidi]

work in F10 bios?

[Lestat]

work in F10 bios?


WTF!!!!


someone just close this thread, its pointless as the feature was a mixup by gigabyte, it never did anything, and then they removed it, why the heck even ask