BF2142 Producer Vows Less Bugs Than BF2

[Sanborn]

BF2142 producer vows 'less bugs than BF2'
Friday 30-Jun-2006 10:42 AM Quality threshold is going to be a lot higher at release, says Digital Illusions' Marcus Nilsson

We've just returned from a trip to not-so-sunny Sweden to visit Digital Illusions, maker of the epic Battlefield series, to see how the newest entry Battlefield 2142 is shaping up.

We'll be bringing you a full report and an interview with the design team in the very near future, but during the course of a very interesting look at the game, senior producer Marcus Nilsson went on the record to tell us that BF2142 will be "A lot less buggy than Battlefield 2 - and you can write that down." :rocker: Which we now duly have.

Nilsson was responding to many fans' criticisms of Battlefield 2, which saw a number of patches post release to fix bugs and exploits for the epic online shooter. Nilsson added that the team were taking the quality threshold extremely seriously this time around and would be setting a higher benchmark in QA to ensure Battlefield 2142 would debut as bug-free as possible.:shocked:

Nilsson also said game balancing was a very 'delicate' issue for the shooter and the team would be tweaking the game right up until release, but that Battlefield 2142 would offer a faster paced, more rewarding and much deeper squad experience for Battlefield fans through its network battlefield system - although Lone Wolf style players certainly wouldn't be neglected. Nilsson concluded by saying the move to a futuristic setting had allowed DICE's development and art teams to be a whole lot more creative in their approach to making the Battlefield sequel.

We'll be bringing you the full story on our BF2142 experience soon, so keep it tuned to CVG for more Battlefield goodness.

edit: And Im sure the next 10 responses will just be people :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing and moaning about how DICE sucks and they won't even buy a BF game again BLAH BLAH BLAH. Anyone who has played BF42-Vietnam-BF2 can make the distinction that they are improving in terms of launch quality.

[Turok]

Thats the same thing they said before they released the 1.3 patch, which they said it finished the game and fixed like 100 bugs :stick:
All EA/Dice does with the Battlefield series is promise a lot of stuff, but the end result is less than what you expected :fact:

[Nettwerk]

How bout vow to quit lying and better PR.

[Sanborn]

I have no doubt they actually did fix 100 bugs, but 99 of them probbaly had to do with stats and server issues.

What really gets me is that everyone over reacts and tries to say that any of the BF games are unplayable. There has NEVER been an instance other than random crashes over the years where I haven't been able to load the game up, join a server, and play as long as I wanted.

Maybe I am lucky, I dunno. I personally think everyone just :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es too much.

[Special_K]

999<1000 =/

[ocmyface]

i'd hope that after 6+ versions of the same game they'd finally be able to do it right.

[Sanborn]

or #4, but whatever works.

You would also think that Doom3, Tribes 3, and Quake 4 wouldn't suck but I guess crap happens eh?

And it's hardly the same game, go play BF1942 and then play BF2....

[ocmyface]

or #4, but whatever works.

You would also think that Doom3, Tribes 3, and Quake 4 wouldn't suck but I guess crap happens eh?

And it's hardly the same game, go play BF1942 and then play BF2....

expansions included isnt it like 6 or so?

and doom 3, quake 4 and tribes 3 might've sucked in gameplay (from your perspective) but you cannot say the programming was bad. so your little argument really is irrelevent to the issue

and yes i have played both, i use to play BF1942 all the time, theres no way you can say that they are totally different games. each one that comes out is a nothing more than a new skin

take your fanboyism somewhere else :rolleyes:

[Turok]

or #4, but whatever works.

You would also think that Doom3, Tribes 3, and Quake 4 wouldn't suck but I guess crap happens eh?

And it's hardly the same game, go play BF1942 and then play BF2....

BUT, if you put the Doom 3 engine + Several engine optimizations + Enemy Territory gameplay + some Battlefield type gameplay, the end result is Enemy Territory: Quake Wars which will totally own BF2142 in every aspect.

If you've been keeping up with the interviews, the gameplay footages on E3 and such, and you've watched all the trailers I dont see how one would consider BF2142 over ET:QW :confused:
Use the $50 or less for ET:QW instead of BF2142 and let EA/Dice burn in Doom3's hell :mad: ITS THAT SIMPLE! :D
No more buginess, lack of SDK, false promises, and more! :woot:

[k0nsl]

I look forward to the release. It is a game I won't miss out on for sure.

-k0nsl

[tuoho]

We'll be bringing you a full report and an interview with the design team in the very near future, but during the course of a very interesting look at the game, senior producer Marcus Nilsson went on the record to tell us that BF2142 will be "A lot less buggy than Battlefield 2 - and you can write that down." Which we now duly have.

Bah, I wish I could believe that. :(
But let's see how buggy it will be when it's released.

[BlaqMale]

i checked out the latest vids for this game and i'm in love.:woot: looking forward to the mad online hours

[Sanborn]

expansions included isnt it like 6 or so?

and doom 3, quake 4 and tribes 3 might've sucked in gameplay (from your perspective) but you cannot say the programming was bad. so your little argument really is irrelevent to the issue

and yes i have played both, i use to play BF1942 all the time, theres no way you can say that they are totally different games. each one that comes out is a nothing more than a new skin

take your fanboyism somewhere else :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but your little "fanboyism" comment its extremely childish at best. I seem to be the only one in this thread that is willing to give new games a try without extremely jaded views on past games. I didn't say ANYTHING about the programming of Doom3, Q4, or Tribes 3......I was talking completely about gameplay. I also never said that BF1942 and BF2 were "totally different games" and thats why I mentioned those games. I'm sorry but Tribes 3 was identical to Tribes 2 except for the fact that they mucked the whole game up.... Quake 4 is identical to Doom3 and its multiplayer is a carbon copy of Quake 3 Arena. Doom 3 is unique in terms of graphics but there is nothing differnet about it. Thats why I am COMPLETELY baffled when people are so harsh on Battlefield games. I believe the real reason is everyone loves to hate Dice/EA but thats a whole 'nother story I couldn't care less about.

Saying that every BF game is the same as 1942 with different skins is comical at best, because the same argument can be made for almost every game in existance. I'm not saying BF2142 is a totally brand new game....its obvious that its an extention of an existing game. Sure it probably COULD be sold as a $35-40 expansion pack but why bother? honestly.

I play all games of all types, I'm sure I will play Quake Wars and BF2142 at the same time. So next time you decide to call me a fanboy for whatever reason keep it to yourself.

And to Turok...........BF2142 comes out Oct 10th.............Quake Wars comes out Feb most likely March. I don't know about you but I would like to occupy myself with a new game for 6 months inbetween. If you guys can't afford $50 over a 4-6 month period I think you have larger issues at hand imo.

and btw: no one counts expansion packs as single games - welcome to PC gaming.

[AlbanianOC]

BUT, if you put the Doom 3 engine + Several engine optimizations + Enemy Territory gameplay + some Battlefield type gameplay, the end result is Enemy Territory: Quake Wars which will totally own BF2142 in every aspect.

If you've been keeping up with the interviews, the gameplay footages on E3 and such, and you've watched all the trailers I dont see how one would consider BF2142 over ET:QW :confused:
Use the $50 or less for ET:QW instead of BF2142 and let EA/Dice burn in Doom3's hell :mad: ITS THAT SIMPLE! :D
No more buginess, lack of SDK, false promises, and more! :woot: You are not a fan boy by any chance?
ET:QW looks to childish and has yet to set a release date since they changed the launch from this year to Q1 2007 so that is out of the way. BF2 is buggy but it is lot of fun to play and they are trying unlike the COD2 people who took their sweet time releasing a patch, anyway I am buying a copy as my $50 BF2 game has produced over 300 hours of fun.

[Sanborn]

I'm glad someone else with common sense came through^^^^........ You will easily get your $50 out of BF2142 within the time Quake Wars comes out if you decide that you like QW is better and you never play bf2142 again.

[ocmyface]

I'm sorry, but your little "fanboyism" comment its extremely childish at best. I seem to be the only one in this thread that is willing to give new games a try without extremely jaded views on past games. I didn't say ANYTHING about the programming of Doom3, Q4, or Tribes 3......I was talking completely about gameplay.

ok well. wasnt the whole topic of this programming? wasnt the programming/bugs the issue being discussed here?


I also never said that BF1942 and BF2 were "totally different games" and thats why I mentioned those games.

im pretty sure you said that BF1942 and BF2 are "hardly the same game". well, in BF2 dont you run around in tanks, planes, and transports to capture flags to try and win the battle? well what did you do in BF1942, i cant remember. :stick:

I'm sorry but Tribes 3 was identical to Tribes 2 except for the fact that they mucked the whole game up....
couldnt agree more.

Quake 4 is identical to Doom3 and its multiplayer is a carbon copy of Quake 3 Arena. Doom 3 is unique in terms of graphics but there is nothing differnet about it.
quake 4 is not like doom 3, but i do agree about quake4 multiplayer. but either way, why are you bringing all of this up - it isnt relevant to the original topic...

Thats why I am COMPLETELY baffled when people are so harsh on Battlefield games. I believe the real reason is everyone loves to hate Dice/EA but thats a whole 'nother story I couldn't care less about.
No, im pretty sure the "real reason" people hate EA/DICE is their infamous talent at ruining games with their subpar programming and BS PR. plus i think their love of releasing 30-40 dollar expansion packs right after the game comes out instead of including it in the original game is another big reason


Saying that every BF game is the same as 1942 with different skins is comical at best, because the same argument can be made for almost every game in existance. I'm not saying BF2142 is a totally brand new game....its obvious that its an extention of an existing game. Sure it probably COULD be sold as a $35-40 expansion pack but why bother? honestly.
no you can't make the same argument for every game in existence, quit twisting the words to fit your argument. :slapass:
just becuase two games are FPS or RTS doesnt make them identical. im just asking when is the BF series gonna stop being nothing more than capture the flag.
i understand that it is a (mostly) online series, so its hard to make the games to different from eachother, i understand that, but to say they are "hardly the same game" is probably stretching it a little. but hey, you're the almighty god of battlefield, so i guess youre right.



and btw: no one counts expansion packs as single games - welcome to PC gaming.

gee thanks :rolleyes:

[Sanborn]

Look OC, I have no problem directly with you....just people that think like you in general. You have double standards for gaming that basically states its fine for two games to be similar unless they are Battlefield games.

im pretty sure you said that BF1942 and BF2 are "hardly the same game". well, in BF2 dont you run around in tanks, planes, and transports to capture flags to try and win the battle? well what did you do in BF1942, i cant remember.

and

no you can't make the same argument for every game in existence, quit twisting the words to fit your argument.
just becuase two games are FPS or RTS doesnt make them identical. im just asking when is the BF series gonna stop being nothing more than capture the flag.


are exactly what I am talking about. You talk about how BF is never differnet because you have guns and ride in vehicles in capture flags....yet its ok for every other FPS or multiplayer game to just be have guns and shoot each other games.

I know you think it cuts me deep for people to talk crap about battlefield but I honestly haven't played BF2 more than 3 hours in the past 4-5 months. And you asked when BF was going to be more than capturing flags....

Thats why everyone is excited for BF2142- Titan mode != CTF

I want everyone to go to Fileplanet or whatever downloading site and grab the NEWEST EA BF2142 video. If you even semi-like online FPS games I would have to call you a liar to not think that video is not only different but looks extremely fun. The inclusion of the futuristic theme opened up tons of gameplay. It's not just BF2 with blue lasers and robots as so many of you think.........

[Special_K]

hehe, FPS's are all the same but with different weapons and different objectives =p


TITAN mode = capture the rocket silo + sanctioned base rape =/

[ocmyface]

see titan mode is exactly what im talking about. EA could have doing this kind of stuff to any of the BF games/expansions all along - but they dont becuase they know they have a game that works and would rather keep making money off the people who buy this game becuase there is no competition for it rather than actually take time to make a quality game. sounds alot like microsoft to me. and so as soon as ET:QW comes out they decide to throw in something different because they know their repetitive formula isn't going to work anymore. stuff like that is why I, and many others, hate EA/DICE.

EDIT: no problems here either :p:

[FEEXX]

will see in practice, IMO BF2 is the master & commander of Bugs, and EA... well since i was unable to play Burnout 2 online in Xbox coz i was playing at 50hz... plus poor busy servers...my opinion about them... crap expensive company that just outsources. humm let's make a better world with thousands of FiFa series

[Turok]

see titan mode is exactly what im talking about. EA could have doing this kind of stuff to any of the BF games/expansions all along - but they dont becuase they know they have a game that works and would rather keep making money off the people who buy this game becuase there is no competition for it rather than actually take time to make a quality game. sounds alot like microsoft to me. and so as soon as ET:QW comes out they decide to throw in something different because they know their repetitive formula isn't going to work anymore. stuff like that is why I, and many others, hate EA/DICE.

EDIT: no problems here either :p:

"Amen to dat brotha" :bows:


You are not a fan boy by any chance?
...

How can I be a fanboy of a game that's different from all the other ID Software games, even Wolf:ET, and it hasnt released yet :stick:
And Im not a fan of all ID Software's products either, because I hated Doom3 and I wasnt verry impresed with Quake4 either, but I still like Doom1&2 and the Quake series.
I consider Doom3 and my Battlefield games afther 1942 as one of my worst investments in games.


...ET:QW looks to childish...

Right... :stick:
Just because the enemy is a strogg? is that it? :rolleyes:
But on the other hand the graphics, the engine, the realism, and the gameplay IS superior.
In that case, I think what's "childish" is the gaming community on the Battlefield series, the flashy human weapons in 2142, and the childish programming from the BF2 engine :rolleyes:

...and has yet to set a release date since they changed the launch from this year to Q1 2007...

Because unlike EA/Dice, they take a normal time of development of about 3 years with a already existing but optimized engine, and they make sure the game is running nice and smooth while Battlefield 2142 took like what? ... 1 year of patching BF2 and it will still be buggy :slap:
Even if they fix most of the bugs its still an inefficient, out-dated, and unrealistic engine.

When you look at the ET:QW interviews they seem serious of what they are doing, and when you look at the gameplay footages you see results.
Unlike EA/Dice that talks too much and then the final product is less than what you expected, and on top of that you get a lousy engine, no SDKs, and expensive and VERRY simple boosters or patchs


Im not a fanboy of anything. I go with the best.
Im not a ID Software fanboy the same way Im not a fanboy of AMD or intel, and nVidia or ATi.
For example, in hardware: I was AMD + ATi, and now Im updateing to Intel + nVidia, and latter I may update to AMD/Intel Quad-core + ATi R600
And in gaming: I am a Doom fanboy tho, but I know when a product sv@$ and I hated everything about Doom3 except the engine.
But now finally this good engine is being joined with good gameplay to make ET:QW.

[afireinside]

bf1942 sucks
bfv sucks
bf2 sucks
half the expansions could be map packs/large patches but all EA cares about is money.

I place NO faith in them to get this one right.

I have no hope for ET:QW either, after that quakecon demo... Failure of a competitive game.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

bf1942 ROCKED! Desert Combat anybody? :)

[Beomagi]

I'm just hoping they fix for the very least - the damn red tag on friendly issue.

[Sanborn]

Its funny that everyone is bashing the game in here, but in the other thread with my impressions + videos (not by me) everyone is talking about how awesome it looks.

I haven't played Quake Wars but from the impression I got of Quake Con videos and what AFireInside says.....I think BF haters are **** out of luck.

[Hicks]

BUT, if you put the Doom 3 engine + Several engine optimizations + Enemy Territory gameplay + some Battlefield type gameplay, the end result is Enemy Territory: Quake Wars which will totally own BF2142 in every aspect.



The complete truth there!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Id rather wait for Quake Wars, than BF. it looks 10 times more fun, and interesting, oh and it's not EA.:banana:

[ZX7891]

Bf2 point of existance mod is actually really really good

[Starscream]

I'm glad someone else with common sense came through^^^^........ You will easily get your $50 out of BF2142 within the time Quake Wars comes out if you decide that you like QW is better and you never play bf2142 again.


MAYBE BF2142 wont be a repeat of BF2.
maybe it wont have any serious bugs and maybe EA/Dice will fix the bugs it has swiftly.

but those are to many maybes and with BFV and BF2 EA/Dice doesnt have a to good track record. i wont buy BF2142 simply cause i dont want to run into one of those maybes and end up throwing away another 50 bucks in a crappy BF game wich will nvr see its major bugs fixed or will take months to fix them.
With Bf2 i bought it a month orso after launch being foolish enough to think that this time EA/dice will fix the bugs fast and that we wont get a repeat of BFV.
i made this mistake and wont take another stupid decision by buying BF2142.
Back with BF2 i should have seen the light when the Demo had huge freaking bugs and when those later int he full game were stil present.

and it isnt only BF. just check the other EA games. Command and Conquer had MP issues wich EA asfar as i know (i gave up hope a long time ago) nvr got fixed.
ya the next C&C il buy cause i always enjoyed the SP and that always worked. does suck that with C&C there is the chance that MP will b bugged wich makes ya lose 50% of the gameplay. But stil this game adds to EAs bad track record.

[Jodiuh]

bf1942 sucks
bfv sucks
bf2 sucks
half the expansions could be map packs/large patches but all EA cares about is money.

I place NO faith in them to get this one right.

I have no hope for ET:QW either, after that quakecon demo... Failure of a competitive game.

You're a tough critic mate! What games fly with you?

[Sanborn]

MAYBE BF2142 wont be a repeat of BF2.
maybe it wont have any serious bugs and maybe EA/Dice will fix the bugs it has swiftly.

but those are to many maybes and with BFV and BF2 EA/Dice doesnt have a to good track record. i wont buy BF2142 simply cause i dont want to run into one of those maybes and end up throwing away another 50 bucks in a crappy BF game wich will nvr see its major bugs fixed or will take months to fix them.
With Bf2 i bought it a month orso after launch being foolish enough to think that this time EA/dice will fix the bugs fast and that we wont get a repeat of BFV.
i made this mistake and wont take another stupid decision by buying BF2142.
Back with BF2 i should have seen the light when the Demo had huge freaking bugs and when those later int he full game were stil present.

and it isnt only BF. just check the other EA games. Command and Conquer had MP issues wich EA asfar as i know (i gave up hope a long time ago) nvr got fixed.
ya the next C&C il buy cause i always enjoyed the SP and that always worked. does suck that with C&C there is the chance that MP will b bugged wich makes ya lose 50% of the gameplay. But stil this game adds to EAs bad track record.

It's understandable, but I'm a sucker for new games ;)

So far I am impressed with BF2142, it has its beta bugs but I don't believe any show stoppers will make it to release.

[Starscream]

It's understandable, but I'm a sucker for new games ;)

So far I am impressed with BF2142, it has its beta bugs but I don't believe any show stoppers will make it to release.

around the time BF2142 comes a few other games come wich i rather buy.
a m8 of mine is stil going ot buy the coming BF even tho he was more pissed about BF2 then i was.
if after 6 months orso he aint :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about Bf2142 il maybe buy it but i doubt it due to Quake Wars.

[Sanborn]

Theres just something about Quake Wars that bugs me, on all of the gameplay videos the speed of the gameplay and vehicles just don't look like they match the type of game its trying to be.

I also loathe all of the weapons shown from Quake Con, people complaining about not wanting to shoot blue lasers in BF2142 are in for a big suprise....