Xtreme Newbie ? Then i suggest you stop here.

[Lestat]

Ok i have got to post this as myself and several other members here have conversed privately so i am taking it upon myself to post this.

FUGGER, NJKID, and whom ever else is on the mod team, IF, when your done reading this, and please take a few minutes and read it, if you deam it necessary to delete this threa, that is groovy i understand, but i MUST get this off my chest. Someone has to say something, and say it now,
All i ask,, ok 2 things now. dont go banning me or anyone else. its about time someone got tough with some of these people. be it me or anyone else.
and i love being here, and people know me for this name so smack me upside the head real hard but .... anyways..

Xtreme Systems is now the home for the Xtreme Newb, and everyone here knows it but no one has the balls to stand up and say it. But i will, as i always do, speak my mind about this subject.

Several months ago a couple of our Xtreme Members got their hands on the first sets of Core 2 Duo's. Every since then this place has been on fire with senior and new member asking and posting all kinds of stuff, but it was for the most part kept in check and very legitimate questions.

Now, the Core 2 Duo is released. And Xtreme Systems has become the official haven for the Computer iliterate and Xtreme Newbie.
Thread after thread after thread of the same damn b.s. is being posted daily, and its all by you new people who, according to what many of us are seeing, dont know a whole helluva lot about computers.
Now, we ALL we newbies at one time, and we all had questions, but you guys have gotta get off your a$$es and start looking around you. And doing your own homework and research.

As of right now i would like to make a simple and upfront request to anyone new, or old to PLEASE STOP MAKING MULTIPLE THREADS ABOUT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. AND STOP POSTING THREADS ABOUT "How dows my hardware look..." or "New build whats your thoughts" or anything even remotely like that. and for pete's sake, DO YOUR F'ing HOMEWORK!!!!!

For as long as i can recall Xtreme Systems has been your one stop shop for all your Xtreme Needs. But not for your Xtreme Help. or your Xtreme Tell me how my system looks. or the Xtreme im new to computers i want everyone here to tell me what to do.

We all love helping each other, so many of us are Tech's by nature and by trade, but nearly all of the new people im seeing seem to know very little about computers and yet they are trying to dive head first into the big Conroe Pond, and friends non of you have your bathing suits on. Your all drowning in information and being overwhelmed by hardware that is not only confusing at times, and brain busting, but is beyond your own technical abilities.

I'm all for the little guy getting a new system, or someone upgrading to a well deserved power house PC.
But for the love of GOD! PLEASE do your own homework. learn a little bit about the hardware you buy and stop lurking around reading all these threads and them coming back here and posting the same damn threads you just read.

I swear right now there are dozens of these ignorant pointless threads and you new people just keep posting more and more.

i HATE being a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:, i truly do, no matter how often you see me being that way, and it is often, even i can admit that, i dont like being that way. But for gawd's sake children the good lord gave you a brain, and a hand to hold a mouse, and eyes to read the already exsisting threads with.

-PLEASE STOP REPEATED THREADS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE!
-PLEASE STOP ASKING US HOW YOUR NEW HARDWARE LOOKS
-PLEASE STOP ASKING QUESTIONS FOR WHICH THERE ARE 10 THREADS ALREADY THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED 100x's
-PLEASE USE THE FORUM SEARCH PLEASE, GOD PLEASE!!
-PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD! AND SOME COMMON SENSE.
Computers are not rocket science but it does take a level of skill and technical saviness that most of you new guys dont have from what i see.

If you cant make up your own mind about something, if you cant figure out why your cpu is running a 6x multi, or why when you turn on your PC you see a message about "CPU Fan Error - Press F1 to continue".
Then by god you have no right even touching this type of hardware. you truly shouldnt even be messing with it. becuase you, and god everyone is gunna hate me for this, but you are an idiot and need to go back to your high school and take a PC class or two.

Every single newbie thread lately that i have read has an answer in 10 other threads. everyone can be answered with a little bit of common friggin sense.
and everyone needs to be locked and closed and deleted.

Xtreme Systems has very specific Sticky's under each forum section. And each forums section is dedicated to a very specific subject.

Here are a few examples that you obviously missed, and STILL havent read cuz your still posting the same crap

Your Gigabyte DS3/4/DQ6 Giving you troubles. OMG what is this ? yes several threads already here where all your answers can be found!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110460
(im still not sure how a guy with less than 50 posts got a sticky with info in it that is common sense and really isnt much of a FAQ, but if it helps you guys. go for it.)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719
(Got bios issues, or need the latest bios, or flashed your bios and have questions, the answers are right here)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106685
(OMG! what is this ANOTHER very long DS3 Thread! wow, who'd of thunk it!)


ASUS Boards giving you trouble. pfpfp thats what you get for buying an asus.
but seriously.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110193
(omg thats the first sticky in the Intel section wowwww!)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110719
(yawnnnn another one....)


and the list goes on and one children

this is was and always will be a forum full of some of the best information about new and old hardware around.
but what it requires is some certain level of "knowing what the hell your doing"

i want everyone to learn PC's you need to in this day and age but for god's sake XtremeSystems is NOT the place to start. or atleast start here by reading and reading and then reading some more.

[ZX7891]

Yes, exactly, this isnt the place where you learn how to oc, or build a computer, or configure a system, learn that crap other places along with the other noobs, and only even think about posting here when you have some relative idea of what youre doing.

[Absolute_0]

Lestat it's easy to complain, but there isn't a solution to this.

You're not going to keep people from registering and asking n00b questions unless you block registration....

**I agree with NJKid, either post a helpful response or just ignore it. Some of the duplicate question threads get annoying but we gotta put up with it.

[Brahmzy]

WERD Lestat. This should filter out some of the duplicate threads. It's been REAL bad the last few days.

I suggest you change the title to something like:

******Xtreme Newbie? Then i suggest you stop here.*******

'Cause it's gonna get lost in the mix.

[njkid32]

Lestat I have put up with all your compaining and so has many others. We all started somewhere. YES, people should use the search function a little more often... Instead of complaining and flaming them when they do post why dont you try and help with a positive solution not something negative cuz I dont think I have ever seen you post anything positive. So maybe just stay out of those threads and let one of the experienced oc'ers help them out. XS will always have new unexperienced members so get used to it! There is no reason for this thread so just calm yourslef down and think positive for once. If you have problems with the forums you can pm me or FUGGER.

Edit: This thread is also in the wrong area so its being moved now...

[BlazingArrow]

LOL LOL LOL :clap: :clap: :clap:


THat was sooo funny I can't even explain myself! First off, I have to say I don't know how old you are so I cannot add that to my observations. But I find it hilarious that you just spend that much time, posting a thread about how you are just SICKEND by other peoples threads LOL!

I'll be honest, I am new here and I have posted some threads needing help...but that's why i even signed up an account in the first place lol! I have found the people on XS to be the most helpful out of any forum i've seen for overclocking on the web. I agree that there have been an obsene amount of post's related to Core 2 Duo, but honestly?!?! Does it bother you THAT much, i mean so you can't sleep at night... LOL i mean do you wrestle around at night fighting the idea that there are annoying kids creating senseless threads on YOUR forum??

Dude, why not just skip over the intel section if your that upset...i don't know what it is but for you to be that outraged over some posts in forums, i can't imagine how you react to 'real life' situations! :slapass:

[orion23]

It is a shame that some of you feel in such way.....

Sure this is "xtremesystems" and the creators / users have the right to control what goes on in here.

However, a noobie myself, I didn't really come here looking for anybody's expertise, but simply because this is one of the few places where one can see stuff that hasn't even been released yet.

Also, since most of you techies get these awesome products in advance, one also gets to see what's worth waiting for, what's best, what works..........

One think that I really like here is that there is a "XTREME OVERCLOCKIN" section where most of the time, ONLY THE MASTERS GET TO POST.

Why are you guys so worried about the other sections of the forums when you have a great section that gets a good 1-2 updates a day?

What's so wrong about the rest of us using the other sections of the forums.
(I'm sure advertisement, word of mouth, popularity over this whole Conroe craze has had a great impact on XtremeSystems)

Anyway, almost no forum around can offer any help when it comes to Core 2 duo. It is here only that so many people like myself can find the information we might need to solve our problems.

[Movieman]

Lestat I have put up with all your compaining and so has many others. We all started somewhere. YES, people should use the search function a little more often... Instead of complaining and flaming them when they do post why dont you try and help with a positive solution not something negative cuz I dont think I have ever seen you post anything positive. So maybe just stay out of those threads and let one of the experienced oc'ers help them out. XS will always have new unexperienced members so get used to it! There is no reason for this thread so just calm yourslef down and think positive for once. If you have problems with the forums you can pm me or FUGGER.

Edit: This thread is also in the wrong area so its being moved now...
Perhaps this kind of thread was posted because the author wasn't knowledgeable enough to help the people who asked the questions for assistance and instead chose to flame them?
Ticks you off to read that? I bet it does, just like the guy who got flamed because he asked questions that had been asked before..I can imagine how he feels about now.

[NickS]

Lestat I think you blew a few capacitors in the attic.. newbs turn into XIP's. We were all a noob at one time, no need to bash them.

[ex2cib]

it really depends on the person to me. some people want to have the answer before they solve a problem, which may be why we have a lot of the same posts around here , better use of the forum search would be great yes ( you better believe i searched the forums before my first few posts :p:)

and secondly, there are the people who like to find their own solutions to their own problems.

there are simple ways to help these problems, not solve completely.
the search for one thing
use PM more, if there is something that can be answered by a single person and doesn't really require discussion, PM someone knowledgable on it. dont be abusive with the PM's however.

[STEvil]

This subject has been at hand a few times, didnt you search for it lestat? :P

Anyways, lestat did give me an idea: a section dedicated to "how does this look for a system" questions.

We surely get enough of them that this would be a nice place to dump them and keep the AMD/Intel/OC sections cleaner.

[Movieman]

Just an observation:
When someone is new to any hobby they have huge amounts of passion for it.
That passion slows down over time but in the beginning it is something that you feed with all the info that you can find and in the eagerness for that info one may ask what appears to be dumb questions.
They aren't really dumb, it's like watching a child blowing a soap bubble, the joy of discovery and thats what we have here. Pure joy and discovery.
I read about this kid getting his new conroe system and I'm happy for him and we all know that there's been a lot of issues on them that have even baffled some of the more experienced people here.
Let's take a breath and understand this new passion of theirs and help where we can. This n00b conroe guy may be the network specialist that helps you some night with a problem of your own..;)

[ex2cib]

Just an observation:
When someone is new to any hobby they have huge amounts of passion for it.
That passion slows down over time but in the beginning it is something that you feed with all the info that you can find and in the eagerness for that info one may ask what appears to be dumb questions.
They aren't really dumb, it's like watching a child blowing a soap bubble, the joy of discovery and thats what we have here. Pure joy and discovery.
I read about this kid getting his new conroe system and I'm happy for him and we all know that there's been a lot of issues on them that have even baffled some of the more experienced people here.
Let's take a breath and understand this new passion of theirs and help where we can. This n00b conroe guy may be the network specialist that helps you some night with a problem of your own..;)


this man has a great deal of wisdom:p: :rofl:

[syne_24]

Man you need to relax bro. Yes this Conroe craze has brought a lot of newbies here. But if you dont want to help them then just ignore them. Like everyone above said we're all newbies one time or another; so why so much hate? There are a lot of members here who take this as a small fun hobby and probably arent knowlegeable as others. Can you blame them for that? Everyone is still learning at one level or another.

This is the internet and a lot of people use it to expect quick answer. Its unfortunate that not many like to problem solve on their own. But hey that's just how some people are. I know the repeated threads are annoying but it's bound to happen with this much traffic coming through. Personally I dont mind the repeated questions about technical problems because not everyone is on here 24/7 and they might miss something; also sometimes they cant comprehend the solution as well as others. I'll agree with you what is annoying is "how does my system look" threads. IMO I think there should be a section just for that so it will keep the other threads on topic.

[pcdoc1]

Wow, so XS is now only for the technical elite… Maybe XS should insist that noobs fill out and submit an application prior to receiving membership… Hell, maybe you should be the acceptance committee. LOL

I’ve seen some asinine post here by you but this certainly takes the prize. When you signup here as a member, like all sites, you are told to review the forums rules and are warned that violations could result in being banned from the site… If these rules where stringently enforced, you’d been gone long ago…

This site, like most public entities needs growth to survive, additionally the next WR setter could be a noob that has acquired knowledge that would be shared to the benefit of all. I agree that the concept has never been to teach basics, it is to share knowledge with the enthusiast community. With that said, success is addictive and draws a crowd…

I see many threads that have been started by new members, and as the discussion continues, the majority of responses are from other new members and they reach a reasonable/logical conclusion and therefore are quite satisfied that XS provided a platform to have the dialog and resolve their issue. So what’s wrong with this? You’ll notice that most XS gods/masters don’t usually participate in these post as they understand there’s some learning that happens before comprehension… But many very talented people do jump in now and then to help steer the topic in the right direction… members that come to mind - Absolute_0, eva2000, dogsx2, sierra_bound, Kunaak, and many, many others…

So get off your “high horse” and give us a break... We really don’t need conflict; and being the arrogant ass that I am, I don't generally promote tolerance. But a reasonable understanding and a little patience is in order here...

[SoF]

I agree to Lestat, no matter what you think.
When I came here I did not posted my first oc's here because I knew, they were not belonging here. there are so many forums with, don't know how to explain, with lower aims, focused on the basics, simply there for nubs but here on XS you should have reached subzero proc temps, a 60% and more OC or whatever but you shouldn't come here and just ask questions.
First oc I showed was my 3279MHZ 3200+ and even with this I felt like a nub as misterroadster or njkid32 came and showed theirs >3.5GHZ :eek:

This is what I like here - the xtreme part but since conhoe there are too many people thinking they are in a forum like all the others and everytime I see a stupid question again (specially in the "xtreme overclocking" section) I would give a lot to ban thoose people. It is not against them personally but everyone registering here should bring a bunch of knowledge with him to share, nobody should register here JUST to ask questions and get knowledge.
You don't need to register if you just wanna read.
I could write a lot more about my thoughts on this issue but my GF is just beside my, it's early in the morning here and last day of week-end...I will come back here and see what others say but my last words: thanks Lestat...

[Okda]

i think the title of this thread should show that it is talking mainly about C2D ccause this wil be more helpful

[jimmyz]

noob happens!

[ZX7891]

Anyways, lestat did give me an idea: a section dedicated to "how does this look for a system" questions.



why don't we just remove the xtreme systems and rename the site to [h]ardsystems while youre at it?

you don't come to XS to learn about computers and ask nub questions, youre supposed to know a good deal about computer and ocing BEFORE you even register

[the]

Im gonna have to go ahead and agree with lestat. This used to be a place where you had to have some sort of understanding to take in the threads to their fullest. Wanted to read a quality thread about overclocking, or some specific hardware issues? No problem, choose a thread. Now i have to sift and sift to find a thread worth reading. So many posters on here and not contributing to the community, nor sticking to the idea of XS. "Cool" "Finally" and "It makes sense they used vista, XP only supports 2 cores" are not contributions. At most they're statements of the obvious, wich any way you look at it, is a waste of virtual ink. And naming of a halo director is Xtreme News? Sure maybe some Xbox players our there really care, i played halo on the pc, used to play with the number 1 ranked player of 2005, but this isn't Xtreme news. its just regular news, if news at all. Yea i understand we have AMD and INTEL fanboi's here, and i think its healthy to an extent, but this is getting outta hand. Poeple are not looking at the benches, and the qualities of each proc objectionally, they only make arguments that make thier e-penis feel bigger. I avoid the [H] for this very reason, and i hate to see such a quality site falling the wayside. Yes we were all noobs once, but we used the search function, we read posts about things we dont understand, and used our own intuition to get where we are today. Holding someone's hand thruogh the whole proccess teaches them NOTHING. The majority of the posts here, help noone, and we're not making the community stronger, we're making it weaker. The student given the answer will remain eternally a student.

[.sentinel]

I lurked these forums for around 3 months and then started posting. People showing off my AMD 3000+ at 2.4 is not that exciting.

[Celeron Gamer]

I'm not discriminating, but I partly agree. The Intel section used to be filled with OC attempts, mods, P4GD1 comparisons. But is now filled with DOES MY E6300 LOOK PC GOOD? HOW WELL DOES THE E6400 OC?

When I first posted the rules for xtreme OC section was tight, now even an 80% OC cut it, now it is filled with, HOW DO YOU OVERCLOCK MY 3000+?

I think they should all be moved to the general hardware section. Kind of ruins the point of 'xtreme'

[M.Beier]

Lestat is quite right, but, we learn and donate knowledge, hell, guys like Kyosen & Shamino must think of us all as noobs, since they're on a totally other level, and are gurues..

What really bothers me is the lack in respect the forum has suffered within the last half year...

Most of us remember back when Stephen nearly left XS for good, right? - That says alot...

[[XC] leviathan18]

i've been here 30 min trying to decide to post or not post.... great dilemma

first this site has the part for the xtreme eltist people and other part for the common guy who wants to learn, a forum is to share information and debate to teach what do you guys know if the noob coming today becomes the GURU tomorrow after we help him with this noob questions....

no one has the right to say who enters or who doesnt enter to this forum, as MM said perhaps they are expert in something and someday will need that information and he can provide it to us.

that its annoying the repetitive threads about the same question problem etc i think the issue here is lack of mods doing their jobs i know some mods will :slapass: me but i think few of them are really doing that kind of boring job looking for threads mergin them movin them.... etc

so dont bash the noobs help them... and create a better world free of noobs

[rpg711]

this is sorta offending... everyone starts out a noob, and ur saying u didnt?
when u start out a noob, u ask questions, want an answer to gain knowledge, and use that knowledge to help others
if no one ever responded to the threads i created... i would fee pretty :(
and if some one flamed me for starting a thread... that just makes me feel more :mad:
if every person in the world that knew something about comps didnt answer questions by newbs... the knowing comunity will slowly diminish and die... then there will be no "xtreme systems" buy "xtreme newbs"
we have to spoon feed the newbs with their info ;)

[ZX7891]

this is sorta offending... everyone starts out a noob, and ur saying u didnt?
when u start out a noob, u ask questions, want an answer to gain knowledge, and use that knowledge to help others
if no one ever responded to the threads i created... i would fee pretty :(
and if some one flamed me for starting a thread... that just makes me feel more :mad:
if every person in the world that knew something about comps didnt answer questions by newbs... the knowing comunity will slowly diminish and die... then there will be no "xtreme systems" buy "xtreme newbs"
we have to spoon feed the newbs with their info ;)


noobs can ask stupid questions elsewhere, you shouldnt be a total "noob" when you get here

[rpg711]

noobs can ask stupid questions elsewhere, you shouldnt be a total "noob" when you get here
just because the name of this website is Xtreme Systems, doesnt mean "OMFG NO NOOBS ALOWD"
seriously... u should welcome noobs and help them, tahts what all forums are for

[afireinside]

Everyone starts as a noob. I was a HUGE noob. So was everyone else. READ FFS and stop spamming.

Lestat> You could have just posted this:


-PLEASE STOP REPEATED THREADS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE!
-PLEASE STOP ASKING US HOW YOUR NEW HARDWARE LOOKS
-PLEASE STOP ASKING QUESTIONS FOR WHICH THERE ARE 10 THREADS ALREADY THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED 100x's
-PLEASE USE THE FORUM SEARCH PLEASE, GOD PLEASE!!
-PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD! AND SOME COMMON SENSE.
Computers are not rocket science but it does take a level of skill and technical saviness that most of you new guys dont have from what i see.

And saved us from reading the rest of the crap. That quote right there is the important part. There's so much USELESS CRAP in the Intel section for me to want to sift through to learn about conroe. I'm just going to buy a damn board and CPU and figure it out my self because I don't have hours to look through "HAI GUYZ DOEZ MAI NEW SETUP LOOK GOOD?" and "WTF WHY CAN'T I OVERCLOCKING MY ON GIGABYTE IT RESET BIOS" for information when there's A STICKY THREAD on the board. Props to the man who made that FAQ thread.

I and other people have suggested things to keep the over run of lazy noobs who don't know how to use the search function at bay but nothing happened. Just deal with it.


just because the name of this website is Xtreme Systems, doesnt mean "OMFG NO NOOBS ALOWD"
seriously... u should welcome noobs and help them, tahts what all forums are for

Since when did not being able to read STICKY THREADS and posting "RATE MY NEW COMPUTER" count as learning?

[M.Beier]

just because the name of this website is Xtreme Systems, doesnt mean "OMFG NO NOOBS ALOWD"
seriously... u should welcome noobs and help them, tahts what all forums are for

Well, most of the guys in here started elsewhere I belive, I know I have... :fact:

[rpg711]

ya... so have i, but what if u didnt?

[ZX7891]

ya... so have i, but what if u didnt?


you should have, because obviously if you start here you dont know anything yet,

[SoF]

one thing I could :slapass: people for:
"Show me your 1MB time" this always shows that people have no idea about what they are talking, do they know the formula for Pi? Do they know what Pi is? I'm serious, is it that hard to click "Help" at least once you're in Pi and read about it :confused: (I liked the history and how long certain computers in history needed for calculations)

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

I started as a noob here, and it was probably better that way. When you start off on [H] or similar then you get pre-taught incorrect notions about various items, such as watercooling. its 1000x easier to learn when you learn it right the first time and don't have to relearn everything. sure, people get tired of reading page after page of sticky and thread, but who didn't? I know I've asked my share of stupid/obvious questions and every single one was greeted with a very informative response. Why should that change now?

[guess2098]

2 years ago i didn't know how to OC...
1 years ago i had the AMD 32M WR
XIP but so what

i love to answer everyone's questions
as long as they have good attitude

[kempez815]

Whilst I agree that people should use the search and stickies, this IS the place where people know a lot about all the latest gear, and are experienced and knowledgeable.

I occassionally post somewhere with a half-decent OC: but to say that an OC MUST be above 60% to even be allowed to post is a bit ridiculous. Forums are a place for community and sharing and should be friendly places. I will say that most of my time spent on XS is spent reading, rather than posting.

I do not consider myself a n00b - but sometimes there is a question that I cannot find an answer to and I will ask it...because people on XS will hopefully know.

Other forums aspire to standards that XS set with overclocking and modifying, but if the attitude is such: "Your not elite enough to post here" then I think that that is a very negative point about this forum.

I will say, however, that most of the replies I have got from XS have been friendly and helpful - and I am thankful for that.

[M.Beier]

2 years ago i didn't know how to OC...
1 years ago i had the AMD 32M WR
XIP but so what

i love to answer everyone's questions
as long as they have good attitude

Yeah yeah - blahblah, you know Coolaler, thats cheating :p:

[JuanFlaiter]

A while ago, people read before posting. That´s what everybody new to XS has to do, read at least 2 or 3 months before even daring to ask or answer something.

Even though, I hate noob haters.

[M.Beier]

Seriously, ITS GETTING BAD, look at the Intel section, jesus christ, "look at my new system" threads are FLOATING ALL OVER THE PLACE, its horrible, especially since theres a sticky thread where clocks are suppose too be submitted, I VOTE 25-50 POST LIMIT before being able to post in Intel section!

[Pinnacle]

See, thats why you gotta love the news section, we just dont get this stuff there

;)

[M.Beier]

See, thats why you gotta love the news section, we just dont get this stuff there

;)
Thats right but you got a "see I told ya, DDR3" - enough said :p:

[WesM63]

I'm not going to say I hate n00bs or anything of the like. I love helping people but it has gotten out of hand. Especially when they will come into a few threads and ask the same questions over and over. Gets on my nerves some but i deal with it.

I also know how AFI feels. XS didn't use to be my "home" site, i used to just stop here and read. A quick fix on whats the latest and greatest etc. It is my home now due to R@H and other DC projects. I've been here a while and still have few posts.

To sum it up, i suggest trying to help, but if your new here, please read before asking a question.

[knob]

OMG. Is there more n00bs like me out there? :P

[ozzimark]

just because the name of this website is Xtreme Systems, doesnt mean "OMFG NO NOOBS ALOWD"
seriously... u should welcome noobs and help them, tahts what all forums are for
there's a difference between not allowing noobs and discouraging bad behavior

i'm all for learning and helping others out..... but only when it's something that can't be found somewhere else with a minute or two of searching ;)

[Just Some Dude]

Reeks of arrogance

[spent]

LOL, woah...that's some smug sh*t there.

To any other newbs: people like that arent that common here it's usually the same few people being xtreme as*holes

[M.Beier]

LOL, woah...that's some smug sh*t there.

To any other newbs: people like that arent that common here it's usually the same few people being xtreme as*holes

You dont know much about XS do you?
The thing is, people dont mind rookies, not at all, people mind spammers, and LACK IN RESPECT.

Personally I think you just proved that you should never had visited this forum, "it's usually the same few people being xtreme as*holes", not only do you state that knowing something about something and having skills makes one a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:? But futhermore you've stated that its the same few people that do xtreme things, now you couldnt be more wrong?

Please, if you feal like comment this, please consider your words wisely.

[spent]

You dont know much about XS do you?
The thing is, people dont mind rookies, not at all, people mind spammers, and LACK IN RESPECT.

Personally I think you just proved that you should never had visited this forum, "it's usually the same few people being xtreme as*holes", not only do you state that knowing something about something and having skills makes one a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:? But futhermore you've stated that its the same few people that do xtreme things, now you couldnt be more wrong?

Please, if you feal like comment this, please consider your words wisely.
yea, that first post is just oozing respect...and I don't remember saying skills make you an as*hole either

[ocmyface]

honestly there is most likely only one reasonable solution, and fortunately it is a simple one.

i, like alot of people, started out learning the basics from other forums (AMDforums, extremeOC). once i found out about XS I quickly switched over here. What i noticed, and liked the most about XS, is that it wasn't a forum where people bent over backwards to help you out and hold your hand while you install your RAM in DC mode :eek:

BUT

XS also wasn't the type of forum that brushed off new people who were just getting into the hobby. if you were serious about learning and could show that you actually put some serious effort and research into answering your own question (after all, thats the only way you'll ever truly learn) then EVERYONE was more than willing to help you out.

FOR THE NEW MEMBERS:
no matter what your skill level, XS is a place where you will always learn something new. if you registered to this website becuase you are SERIOUS about learning all about computers and all the different worlds of xtreme cooling, tweaking, modding, overclocking, etc. then this is the best forum you can be at.

the average knowledge level here at XS (call me :banana::banana::banana::banana:y/arrogant/"xtreme a**hole" all day long, but its true) is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than 99% of the other OC related forums on the net. so if it seems like people here aren't very friendly or helpful its becuase most of the people here worked very hard and spent months and months reading and lurking the forums to get the level of knowledge they have and dont feel obligated to answer the same question about your C2D E6600 that was answered in the last 5 threads made in the intel section. its nothing personal, its just that most of us get on here to learn too and arent exactly too excited about telling you which parts to buy then having to link you to each individual product and explaining to you what they do.

but that doesn't mean you have to do the same thing, people learn better with different methods. do whatever you want to do, but just remember that the best way to get help is to SHOW that you have put forth effort, you've used the search bar, checked the stickies, searched on google, and checked other threads from the last few days for answers or tips. if you can show everyone that you have tried to figure the problem out on your own and aren't relying on everyone else to do your homework for you then i can 100% guarantee you that there will be many people helping you and telling you what you need to know.

its so simple and will make such a difference, if you're about to start a thread for a question that you suspect might be already answered and you can't find it then SHOW EVERYONE that you did your research and you will be helped.

however, if you just registered here to spam and waste time cus you get lonely on friday nights then XS is not the forum for you

[spent]

Well said. If it was posted like that in the first place this thread wouldn't be annoying to the people that do the research and ask nothing.

The as*hole remark was uncalled for but so was calling everyone that signs up idiots and morons.

I don't mean to spam even though this is the "chat" area but you can only suck it up for so long when every 3-4 threads you research is some sorta generalized newb complaint...it goes both ways, same as the guy that started this got sick of answering the same questions.

[ocmyface]

Well said. If it was posted like that in the first place this thread wouldn't be annoying to the people that do the research and ask nothing.

The as*hole remark was uncalled for but so was calling everyone that signs up idiots and morons.

I don't mean to spam even though this is the "chat" area but you can only suck it up for so long when every 3-4 threads you research is some sorta generalized newb complaint...it goes both ways, same as the guy that started this got sick of answering the same questions.

honestly i wasn't directing the a**hole remark or any of it to you or anyone in particular, no offense intended. this is just such a common problem on XS lately that i actually have been noticing alot of people calling each other a**holes and people being rude to eachother which NEVER use to happen.

as far as spamming, i was referring more to the people that start threads when they know they can find the answer easily but they'd rather boost their post count. anyone can post in the chat section all they want, thats what its here for and it doesnt increase post count.

[ozzimark]

<snip>
beautifully written :toast:

[ocmyface]

beautifully written :toast:

thanks :toast:

[DeltZ]

Elitism?

personally I just post as little as possible (have nothing really to contribute:P) and leach off the rich information. I agree that people should look a bit harder for the answers...it's like retards who the only word you need to say to them is www.google.com
Saying that, newbs don't annoy too much as long as they are polite, not complete retards, and don't spam or have attitude problems. However, it is apparent that attitude problems also lie within the uber groups of intelligent overclockers which, in this case leads to elitism. I'm sure we can all see where Lestat is coming from, and although you may disagree with him and his notions, they are somewhat commendable...that he wants to preserve the standard of this forum as an ever expanding knowledge base of xtreme computer enthusiasm. XS is pretty much the best around and I like ocmyface, started off learning the basics elsewhere then found XS and realised the amazing level of knowledge...and switched. Although it is a public forum in which anyone round the world can contribute, people don't always show the greatest respect when moving to a new environment. They walk into the forum as if it was their own home, upsetting the furniture etc etc...

erm...that's all...basically what's been already said:P

[b0bd0le]

Elitism?

personally I just post as little as possible (have nothing really to contribute:P) and leach off the rich information. I agree that people should look a bit harder for the answers...it's like retards who the only word you need to say to them is www.google.com
Saying that, newbs don't annoy too much as long as they are polite, not complete retards, and don't spam or have attitude problems. However, it is apparent that attitude problems also lie within the uber groups of intelligent overclockers which, in this case leads to elitism. I'm sure we can all see where Lestat is coming from, and although you may disagree with him and his notions, they are somewhat commendable...that he wants to preserve the standard of this forum as an ever expanding knowledge base of xtreme computer enthusiasm. XS is pretty much the best around and I like ocmyface, started off learning the basics elsewhere then found XS and realised the amazing level of knowledge...and switched. Although it is a public forum in which anyone round the world can contribute, people don't always show the greatest respect when moving to a new environment. They walk into the forum as if it was their own home, upsetting the furniture etc etc...

erm...that's all...basically what's been already said:P


QFT

lestat is a noob :p:

[ozzimark]

QFT

lestat is a noob :p:
:confused:

read what he said again:


However, it is apparent that attitude problems also lie within the uber groups of intelligent overclockers which, in this case leads to elitism. I'm sure we can all see where Lestat is coming from, and although you may disagree with him and his notions, they are somewhat commendable...that he wants to preserve the standard of this forum as an ever expanding knowledge base of xtreme computer enthusiasm.

[dinos22]

there is a simple solution to this and it works at OCAU - Overclockers Australia

There is a separate Newbie Section for the newcomers or people not that confident asking in normal sections. this sections has "no stupid question policy" and you don't see any experienced guys showing up and telling anyone to not be a tool or close the thread and :banana::banana::banana::banana: like that..................it works good so maybe we should implement it here as a sub section + add a couple of different threads like Overclocking help, hardware troubleshooting and whatever else you think is appropriate :toast:

[alexio]

My suggestion to the moderators is to close and delete more threads. I really believe this is very necessary. Too many useless threads are opened, and they are not closed. Instead the question is being answered and after that, the thread goes offtopic. This is because the answer is giving within 3 replies and the rest of the thread is being used by the thread starter to ask all the other 100 questions he has.

If you allow such thread to stay open, you silently agree with the content and then the person that opened the thread thinks it's okay to ask whatever question he has in that thread or he opens another 10. I strongly suggest to close such threads and tell the newby to read the existing threads on that subject and ask the queston there if he can't find the answer he's looking for.

Even if the answer can be given in one word, don't give it. Link to another thread or search function instead. After the answer has been given the user knows he can in the future get answeres to questions just by opening a thread. Yes, many new users seek the easy way. Those new users should be treated as children as they act like one.

This thread is directed at new forum members but should be directed at moderators instead. It's stupid to believe the new users in question will visit this section. It's abvious that they didn't read the forum faq's so it's unreasonable to believe they will read and listen to the advice in this thread.

I think it would be very helpfull if new users can't open a thread before they have atleast an X-amount of posts. There should be a newbie section where they can open threads before they have reached that x-amount of posts. And please also make sure that threads from that section don't come up in the "New Posts section" to keep that free off questions that have been asked 100 times before. I really really want to stress this point as the way it is now just annoys me.

If any moderator reads this please do someting about it. If nothing changes I think I'm going to annoy some mods with PM's :D

Regards,

Alex

[kiwi]

"Don't be afraid to post section" :p: next to Intel section :toast:

[ocmyface]

I think it would be very helpfull if new users can't open a thread before they have atleast an X-amount of posts. There should be a newbie section where they can open threads before they have reached that x-amount of posts. And please also make sure that threads from that section don't come up in the "New Posts section" to keep that free off questions that have been asked 100 times before. I really really want to stress this point as the way it is now just annoys me.

not everyone that is new to XS is new to computers and such. many people that sign up here can bring very valuable input. but what if they had to post in the stupid question forum, i think theyd be more than happy to take their info somewhere else.

stricter enforcement is really the only way to go IMO, a "noob section" is a horrible idea. if stickies and constant reminders dont work, why would a section designed for it work any better? the people that post these irritating threads dont read anything before they do it. they see Intel and say hey I want a conroe, ill post everything in there

[FLMJIGGY]

I am no noob yet I wouldn't consider myself xtreme bcause I've never vmodded a board or anything like that. Can I take a 1.8- 2.8 or close to 3.0 and be stable? Yes. Hvae modded cases and thingsx like that. Do I have much to learn? Yes. Can I help noobs? Yes and do.

I understand both sides of the table in this conversation and agree that a lot of threads that have started up lately are unecessary. I don't have a lot of posts but have been reading a while.

I don't learn that much in other forums anymore. At least much as I do here. I love Extreme and there are a ton of helpful ppl. Thanks. However I DO usethe search button and that new posts button is helpful as well.

This is Extreme and hopefully it will stay that way. However this is a right and wrong way to ask for things. Noobs should also use search more often too.

[Anemone]

You know, in a few more months, this place will go back to it's usual status.

I've asked a few noobish questions, some from lack of sleep, so I won't throw stones in a glass house. However if you withstand this inundation of new enthusiasts, I do think you'll draw a few out of the crowds who will go further. And I do think most of these questions are temporary, and related to the flood of new products out now. It will subside. The community will grow. And even the frustration, will eventually return to just it's normal level (which is not zero!).

:)

[MrDeeds]

I think it would be very helpfull if new users can't open a thread before they have atleast an X-amount of posts. There should be a newbie section where they can open threads before they have reached that x-amount of posts. And please also make sure that threads from that section don't come up in the "New Posts section" to keep that free off questions that have been asked 100 times before. I really really want to stress this point as the way it is now just annoys me.

Im totally for a newbie section but i disagree with the way you think it should be implemented. Limiting peoples ability to start a thread based on posts wouldnt really solve the problem because then all you'd be doing is clogging up the newbie section with the same threads. It would also have a negative effect on lurkers that arent novices that really have something to share.

The real problem isnt random people that found this site with google but people that come from other forums where there isnt alot of regulation on repeat threads. Mods can start the education process by deleting or closing repeat threads and sending a pm to the offender.

[Eldonko]

Maybe we do need a new section for general help so the guys that think they are too big and cool to help noobs can avoid it and quit flaming people trying to get help. :rolleyes:

[Holst]

See, thats why you gotta love the news section, we just dont get this stuff there

;)

You should head over to the TEC section.

I only post every 2 to 3 weeks but I can still answer almost every question posted, and sometimes I even REPLY.. hehe.

But I allready posted on this topic elsewhere so you can read that if your interested on my views.

[rpg711]

omfg this thread is makeing xtremesystems the most unpopular forum out there
u should check out the discussion of this at tpu... THEY ACTUALLY CAME TO A RATIONAL CONCLUSION

[phelan1777]

I think this explains the reason for such a thread in the first place.



-PLEASE STOP REPEATED THREADS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE!
-PLEASE STOP ASKING US HOW YOUR NEW HARDWARE LOOKS
-PLEASE STOP ASKING QUESTIONS FOR WHICH THERE ARE 10 THREADS ALREADY THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED 100x's
-PLEASE USE THE FORUM SEARCH PLEASE, GOD PLEASE!!
-PLEASE USE YOUR HEAD! AND SOME COMMON SENSE.


I work in a lab with 150 computers and after 50th time of telling someone where the Floppy goes it gets nerv racking. ESPECIALLY because the students are required to take a intro to computers class. (Yes the computers here still have Floppy drives)
Not to mention when students come into write a paper for english and they can't use WORD, and they want you to write the paper for them.

The answers are there, you just have to WANT to look for them.
I have done work (as well as lurking on forums, thanks Sharkys/DFI-Street/XS) on my end to know what I know and continue to learn, but I am the one paying for the classes and the time to learn. So after a while I get annoyed because everyone has a tolerance level, some more then others.

It is a matter of laziness. "Seek and ye shall find"
It also doesn't help when you try to help and you get shiiite on by the one asking the question, that certainly doesn't make me want to answer a question.

Yes there are some noobs that are smart enough to look, and know when to ask a question.

To address the other side of the issue.
COMMON SENSE is not COMMON! I have learned that really fast working here.
so next time someone ask a question that may be "common" sense to the mods here, or those at higher levels of knowledge think back to when you were a NOOB.............you didn't know what to ask, or how to ask. (Not ALL but some.) We all have to start some where, some are further along then others.

When I help someone I try to get them to a point where they can do it themselves, i will show them once, talk them through it a second time, just watch a 3rd, then leave them to be, if they don't pick it up, well maybe its not for them. I just show them what they can use to get moving in the right direction.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

Regarding the "freshman" of Highend systems. If you feel the need to spend 3K+ on a system you nothing about...............DON'T DO IT! You have no idea the capability of your hardware, and more then likely never come close to using its resources.

It just irks me that someone that doesn't have a clue will spend 3-4-5-6K on a system and it is their FIRST ONE! such a waste.................then as I have seen here on XS come in and post that they want to OC it, just end up killing it...............Dual Core, Raid 150 Raptors, Quad SLI................I mean. HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!
But then again I guess they have the money for it right?...................The horror.(Thats my RANT)


Okay so as with some aspects of forums where you have a post count, and this would require MODS to be more attentive. Keeping an eye on post that are meaty in content and when a user reaches a certain level or competitance with posted material then other aspects of the forum are unlocked, like with the 100 post limit.

Or as I have seen on another forum when certain words are used they are linked by a definition or a link to further information, so when a Noob submits his/her post they can see that if they click on that word i.e. CPU/RAM etc that they can gain further information...........if someone gets what I mean.

[trance565]

just be happy that when somone posts a thread here, asking how to do something, and when you respond by explaining problems they could confront. atleast they dont flame you on grammar. in fact, just about ev1 ehre uses ... "aol" grammar, which is one ofthe things i love most about this forum, anyways, like they said, if you see it, and you dont want to help, ignore it.

on another forum, whenever i see a help me build a pc thread, i skip over it, as im just tired of doing them.