View Full Version : ZALMAN CNPS9500 or Thermalright SI-128... or stock?
xlink
08-11-2006, 01:18 AM
I am asking for advice on a c2d build, I plan to clock to 3.3GHZ(367FSB on e6600) and would like to know what would work. Case to be a coolmaster centurion.
should a ZALMAN CNPS9500 be sufficient for cooling a C2D clocked at 3.0-3.3GHz? it's on sale and a bit less of a hassle, also similar to BTX specifications in that it doesn't require a huge case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118223
I was also considering a Thermalright SI-128 and an AeroCool XtremeTurbine to use providing that the zalman goes off sale or that ti offers a considerable benefit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835109129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835129245
I'd prefer not to spend more than neccessary, I am ahigh school student working at a low paying part-time job and cash for this(the entire build) is somewhat limited. I'm assuming that stock intel cooling is out of the question, correct?
Any suggestions need to be accompanied with a link to reputeable site if at all possible. as it is, I have a hard enough time convincing my motehr to make orders on newegg(i pay her cash to use her CC#)
Sneaky
08-11-2006, 02:56 AM
thermalright ultra-120?
xlink
08-11-2006, 03:28 AM
I was also considering a TR120, but the performance between it and the 128 is more or less the same from what I'm seeing(atleast based off the recomended list which is pinned though I see more people recomend the 120) and the center of gravity seems a bit closer to the motherboard which is kinda nice since I'll be having the board rest perpendicularly with the HSF orientated to the ground(aka standard tower) and I'm worried about stress.
ineedaname
08-11-2006, 04:30 AM
Personally I wouldn't get anything that isn't copper. Alu heat sinks tend to take forever to heat up.
xlink
08-11-2006, 04:50 AM
alluminimum is of compareable thermal conductivity as compared to copper and it's lighter. in this case though, all that matters is it's effective heat disapation which is good as it is. Also, it's easier to get AL thinner than copper without it's integrity going away, tinner matteriar=grater surface area/volume ratio which helps make up for the fact that AL isn't as conductive as CU. Again, the material sin't important, it's the overall disapation. I don't care if my CPU is instantaneously hotter for a fracition of a second so long as it's not too hot and that it is sufficiently cool
on a related note, i found out that i was wrong, the SI-128 is even larger than the 120 though the fac that it weights about half as much must help to a point.
still waiting for someone to say something about the candidates themselves. What about the fan, is it an acceptabel fan for the CPU?
[XC] Lead Head
08-11-2006, 06:06 AM
Big Typhoon
rpg711
08-11-2006, 06:11 AM
the CNPS9500 is better than the big typhoon
and for a case fan, get a silverstone 110cfm 120mm fan... or two...or fifteen LOL:p:
Dtess17
08-11-2006, 06:16 AM
Well we know that stock is no good. Ever!
So you are left with either a Zalman or the SI-128. I think they are both pretty good heatsinks. I haven't had a chance to use the 128 yet, but the 9500 has worked very well for just about everyone i know. Hell maximumpc used it in their dream machine this year.
as for your case fans, you do not need a 110cfm fan. It just makes a lot of noise! I have some cases that only have a few 30 cfm fans which are dead silent and the temps are not much higher.
If you get something in the 50-60 range you should be fine.
Antec tri cools are a good option because you can use the little switch to go from quiet to performace.
Zardokk
08-11-2006, 06:25 AM
SI-128 is the best. Excluding the Tuniq Tower 120 an maybe the Scythe Infinity, nothing beats the SI-128. And it's not aluminum, it's nickel plated copper. Why they would plate copper with nickel, I don't know. But anyway, I'd recommend getting the SI-128.
rpg711
08-11-2006, 06:32 AM
right now, the zalman CNPS9500 or the sythe infinity is the best, but the zalman is cheaper than the sythe so go for ZALMAN CNPS9500
FLMJIGGY
08-11-2006, 07:27 AM
I don't know of the 128 is the same as the 120 in the sense that you can put fan up or down... meaning you can have a fan pushing air onto the board or flip fan around and have it "pull" away from board. I really loved that of Thermalright. Also the mosfets and stuff around gets cooled if you point fan down... however hot air does stay in... or you can flip around and have air going away...:p:
Thermy gets my vote...
Just get nice fan... maybe yate loon for quiet? Or a Panny = pricey...
Zardokk
08-11-2006, 07:41 AM
Panaflos aren't that expensive. I got my 56CFM 92mm for $4. You can get an 80-some CFM 120mm for about $10.
rpg711
08-11-2006, 07:56 AM
or u can get a silverstone 110 cfm 120mm fan for 13$
Dtess17
08-11-2006, 08:19 AM
or u can get a silverstone 110 cfm 120mm fan for 13$
point is that not needed.
rrogan
08-11-2006, 09:02 AM
i got my zalman 9500 for $48 shipped when newegg had a 1 day sale on it, so i got out pretty lucky
xlink
08-11-2006, 10:41 AM
i was linking to the fan for use on the HS. I am assuming that that 'case fan' can be used on it, correct? and I'll look into the silverstone fan. truse me, I have no intention of running my proc on passive cooling, maxPC mag might have done it with the C2e but I done have money to wate and cant' tolleate sch a risk.
from what I am hearing though, go for the 128, and use that silverstone fan, right?
and FYI, i very well might hae gone for the tuniq tower, it's just that newegg kinda stopped stocking it around 2, 3 months ago(which I'm sure everyone here knows) and I'm not going to some small unknown eretailer. They also don't stock it at Fry's electronics.
and the reason i noted using the stock HSF is that I was kinda able to get away with it on my last system(though form the looks of it, AMDs x2 4200-5000/opteron HSF is a fair amount better than intel's 'solution'). I got my opteron to 2.6GHz on a fairly significant undervolt, I would have gone higher but unless I raised the voltage to my board I started to be limited by the HTT. For the record I'm not spending 50$ on case fans since my case allready includes a few(which I'm sure are so-so but I can tolerate it, if I do buy a case fan, the fan it is replacing will be going over my ram)
i'm in the same situation too. Z9500 or SI-128 or i'll might be the hell with it and go water.
xlink
08-11-2006, 10:51 AM
or u can get a silverstone 110 cfm 120mm fan for 13$
linkage?
and again, I'm looking to place it on the HS, not sure if I'll be getting any mroe than 1 case fan and again, I reuse everything.
Sneaky
08-11-2006, 10:54 AM
Personally I wouldn't get anything that isn't copper. Alu heat sinks tend to take forever to heat up.
thermalright sinks are made of a nickel plated copper base and copper heatpipes, but the fins are aluminum (the nickel plating is mainly for corrosion resistance)
trust me, thermalright knows what they're doing, and the aluminum fins have been doing an insanely good job of cooling on my ultra-120 so far
but definitely go with the SI-128 if you're weary of the ultra 120
rpg711
08-11-2006, 11:07 AM
linkage?
and again, I'm looking to place it on the HS, not sure if I'll be getting any mroe than 1 case fan and again, I reuse everything.
the 120mm 110cfm fan (im getting two of these)
http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/283
another fan that im getting u should look into... 150mm 265cfm fan:
http://www.frozencpu.com/fan-88
Anemone
08-11-2006, 11:10 AM
Wish the CNPS 9700 would get here... :(
FLMJIGGY
08-11-2006, 11:17 AM
I would recommend a panasonic 120mm 38"
But ur $... :)
InSanCen
08-11-2006, 11:33 AM
another fan that im getting u should look into... 150mm 265cfm fan:http://www.frozencpu.com/fan-88
I have one, and it's just too loud for most people. I love it, and think it's quiet, but that's comparing it to a 120mm 190CFM Delta:p:
Panaflo.. check out J-Mag's thread in the For Sale section if you have access. High Pressure, great for tightly spaced fins, 102CFM, and the noise is acceptable at 12v. Will 7-volt nicely too.
Vapor
08-11-2006, 11:37 AM
1) TTBT is better than CNPS9500; CNPS9500 is overrated.
2) SI-128 is alum with nickel-plated copper base, hence the light weight and supreme performance.....
3) SI-128 is better than TTBT, in fact, it's tied for third best, only behind the Tuniq, the Scythe Infinity, and tied with the TR U-120 (also SLIGHTLY overrated due to 'archaic' testing procedures/hardware of many review sites).
4) It handles high-loads extremely well and scales well with impoved fannage (worse than U-120 at low loads and fannage though).
5) It has a very simple mounting system that does not require the board to be remopved from the case.
6) SI-128 is the better choice.
7) (edit) The 102CFM Panaflos are excellent for this HSF ;)
rpg711
08-11-2006, 11:40 AM
I have one, and it's just too loud for most people. I love it, and think it's quiet, but that's comparing it to a 120mm 190CFM Delta:p:
Panaflo.. check out J-Mag's thread in the For Sale section if you have access. High Pressure, great for tightly spaced fins, 102CFM, and the noise is acceptable at 12v. Will 7-volt nicely too.
i dont care about loudness, in my currant rig that im selling, i have 8 fans... :shocked:
xlink
08-11-2006, 08:49 PM
any linkage to any of these excellent 80-110CFM fans you all speak of? preferably from newegg or tigerdirect(again, I don't have a credit card and am at my mother's mercy, it was hard enough to convince her that newegg and TD were secure and reliable)
as it is, I'm leanign towards purchasing two of these(one for CPU HS, another for outtake)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999344
InSanCen
08-13-2006, 02:07 AM
i dont care about loudness, in my currant rig that im selling, i have 8 fans... :shocked:
8 of what fan? if it's akasa ambers (Or other silent-ish fans), you're in for a shock, If it's delta's, you'll be fine. this fan is NOT QUIET! I too don't give a stuff about noise, but I have ran Delta's for years.
When Delta's became popular, I saw no end of people buying them, and selling them again a week later when they realised the prospect of running them 24/7.
Also, to be honest, it's hard to utilise all that airflow. I ended up swapping it out for a Papst using the same chassis. supposed to be 265CFM@24v, run it 125CFM@12v, much better, and has a definate ":banana::banana::banana::banana:! Factor" about it. to utilise that airflow efficiently, you need approx 250CFM exhaust. I could do 190 with a delta, but was better when the PSU fan hot 100%, helping out.
In short, Sanyo Denki 102CFM for tight spaced HS fins. Will shortly be ordering 4 from J-Mag (Roll on pay-day)
If you want to go nuts, the EHE 120mm Delta@190CFM will do nicely. Just make sure you have closed-cup headphones:p: ;)
rpg711
08-13-2006, 02:59 PM
8 of what fan? if it's akasa ambers (Or other silent-ish fans), you're in for a shock, If it's delta's, you'll be fine. this fan is NOT QUIET! I too don't give a stuff about noise, but I have ran Delta's for years.
When Delta's became popular, I saw no end of people buying them, and selling them again a week later when they realised the prospect of running them 24/7.
Also, to be honest, it's hard to utilise all that airflow. I ended up swapping it out for a Papst using the same chassis. supposed to be 265CFM@24v, run it 125CFM@12v, much better, and has a definate ":banana::banana::banana::banana:! Factor" about it. to utilise that airflow efficiently, you need approx 250CFM exhaust. I could do 190 with a delta, but was better when the PSU fan hot 100%, helping out.
In short, Sanyo Denki 102CFM for tight spaced HS fins. Will shortly be ordering 4 from J-Mag (Roll on pay-day)
If you want to go nuts, the EHE 120mm Delta@190CFM will do nicely. Just make sure you have closed-cup headphones:p: ;)
the frozen cpu will be exhaust, i getting a armor case, so i will find a way to put four 120mm's in the front, one is stock, one will be taken from the back, switched with the frozen cpu, and two will be the silver stone 120mm 110 cfm fans
also, im going to take all the fans out of my current rig, thats 5x 80mm fans if u dont know... put 3 in a blow hole and cut holes in the side and put 2 in the side
the poor person buying my rig will never know...
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