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CrazyJohn

08-08-2006, 01:52 AM

CrazyJohn’s Gigabyte DS3 FAQ ;] ver 1.6.0.0
Chinese version /by hicookie/:
http://www1.oc.com.tw/forums/msgexcel.asp?id0=0&id=A02&msgid=219667&new=yes&no=1548970&posit=2&allfrom=219667
http://www.pcdvd.com.tw/showthread.php?t=644390

GigaBytes website - http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2314&ModelName=GA-965P-DS3

Since GigaByte is making a lot of a progress in fixing issues, and the faq is being written from the very early appearance of DS3 on the market, some issues are already fixed by a new bios (some 7600GS, D9 problems). Be sure to first upgrade your bios, then check whether the issue is still present, if so read more. Links to bioses, betas and retail, are at the bottom of this FAQ.

TRY ALSO GIGABYTE’S MEMORY THREAD BY CRAZY JOHN:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1689710

http://www.tomshardware.fr/images/news/20060712/965p-DS3.jpg

[Q] Will my Nina+ fit on DS3?
[A] Yes, there is no need to worry, everything works fine. AFAIK Ninja+ is the best air cooling solution for Core2Duo. People on E6300 fsb 490(x7) 1.5VCore get <70*C load with a low rpm fan. There may be better but they are all louder and more expensive...

[Q] Is it normal that my chipset is soooo damn hot?
[A] Yes and no, on stock settings, the radiator is very, very hot. And it’s quite ok. When o/c’ing it’s good to replace the radiator with an active cooling or to put some fan. 80mm 5V will do.

[Q] Why can’t I overclock at all?
This issue is often mistaken with the issue below. Be sure to read this explanation.
Symptoms of no o/c’ing at all (may be one, may be all):
Cannot change PCIe bus speed, after changing to anything from Auto the system resets in POST before mem testing.
Cannot change fsb because system resets as above.
Changing any V in BIOS doesn’t make any difference in o/c.
Changing timing in BIOS doesn’t make any difference in o/c

Changing in my mind means ex. 267fsb (stock 266), 265fsb and so on. These are slightly (and more significant) changes which cannot be done. This is not a problem of >450fsb or sth. This is a problem of no o/c at all!
This is not a problem of a fsbwall – this is not for you if you have already overclocked even a 1Mhz!

[A] There are several possible causes of this problem:
ONE – BIOS:
look below at disabling the Legacy USB storage detect option in BIOS and UPGRADE your BIOS.
TWO – VGA:
Your VGA card is probably making MB not to overclock. Try buying some crappy PCI /not PCIe/ VGA 1MB card (or 2, 4 MBs:) ) and putting it in, booting with only PCI VGA. It worked for me, I could overclock and when I finished I put my 7600GS inside. Everything is working quite ok :) If not, just try another video card but a different model.
THREE – RAM:
This is the least well known issue today. I guess... replace ram and see if it helps o/c’ing... If so... just buy new sticks ;/ Sorry

[Q] What should I do to overclock more? – a fsbwall
[A] First of all Disable all special features in bios, if you don’t use LPT, disable it. The chipset would very appreciate you not to have to be working so hard :) Then Disable in Advanced BIOS Features everything starting from Limit CPUID Max to 3, ending at Virtualization Technology (including these two mentioned). Then at Integrated Peripherals disable Legacy USB storage detect – it’s an option which is required only if you have na USB hard drive. Set PCIe to 100Mhz, timings to 5-5-5-15 (or other high timings your mem is working with), set x2 for mem speed, set +0.1V for MCH, set 1.5V (or higher) for CPU – to see if it’s not a cpu fault. You may also disable everything under PC Health Status menu... Finally, unplug all USB devices. Hope it helps! If no (for those >450fsb) it means the system overlockability has ended :) or mother board doesn’t like so much your ram or vga... Try then borrowing, and replacing to see if it works...

usb mouse - zero overclock
no usb mouse - FULL OC potentional

For those of you with a wall at 380-390Mhz, I got past that wall by fitting a 40mm fan to the northbridge heatsink. The board now does 450mhz without a problem. Might be an alternative to RMA. :)
update: some people report new F4 bios to rise fsbwall for them ;)

[Q] Why the hell do I see CAS3 (CL3) in CPU-Z while I set in bios CL4/CL5?
[A] Some say the MB makes all ram boot at CL3, some say it’s a bios issue when telling the data to the programs under Windows. I guess it’s the second. Mainly because not all memory could boot at CL3 and what is more, there are highly no memories that would boot at ~500fsb with CL3 ;) So it’s pretty much a bios issue, which we hope to be fixed soon. Just don’t worry :) update: get bios F4E (or never), it fixes the CAS problem.

[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and nVidia cards?
[A] Some nVidia cards prevent this MB from overclocking at all :) Ex. Galaxy 7600GS Zalman edition 1.2ns, see the no overclocking at all problem.

[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and D9 memories?
[A] This, and other GigaByte MBs like DS4 and DQ6 are very fastidious. They, don’t like the best DDRIIs on the market nowadays ;) D9 are known to be Winbond for ddr2 slots memory, tight timings, high frequency. GigaByte Mobos don’t like, for sure, Good Ram nonPRO 667 mem (D9). But these are only to be bought in Poland and/or Germany. The rest is pretty likely to be working well, but look below!

[Q] What is the problem with memories and DS3?
[A] Some memories require 2.0V to boot. Standard DS3 stock VDimm is 1.8V. Simply after a CMOS reset the system won’t boot... If you happened to have such mem, replace them. Or buy some shi++y lowcost mem and put it in to boot, change VDimm and replace with your modules to continue o/c.

[Q] Do I really need a VGA PCI card to overclock?
[A] It depends what is making your system crappy. Sometimes it’s a VGA, sometimes it’s a mem, sometimes these are bios settings. My personal search was: BIOS, VGA, MEM, ordered like that, because changing settings in bios, costs nothing, buying VGA was like 10zl (~3$). Luckily I didn’t have to replace ram.

[Q] What about undervoltage?
[A] Core 2 Duo CPUs have a a very great overlockable potential. They can boot even 150% times faster on the stock VCore. Sometimes it’s profitable to undervolt the cpu to get lower temp and still have system running stable.

[Q] My temps are high, so high... 50*C idle. What to do?
[A] This is an abnormal situation. Check your cooling, maybe put some new thermal paste and try another cooler... This is quite good: http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm so is the Ninja+ cooler http://www.scythe-eu.com/products/cpu/ninja_plus/scnj-1000P.php.

[Q] Why is Gigabyte doing nothing to fix these issues? Can it be done only by a bios upgrade?
[A] Remember that Conroe is a brand new technology. It appeared on marked 2 weeks ago. They are doing their bests at GigaByte to make everything works. They have already fixed few issues, we are waiting for new bioses to several next be fixed :)

[Q] My MB keeps restarting after changing anything in BIOS, is that normal?
[A] As GigaByte says on their website it’s normal. It’a a part of intelligent overclocking system, which keeps system booting even if you set to high / tight parameters during o/c. If, lets say, you want to made it boot at 500fsb, it would reset 2-3 times and come back to stock settings, letting you know the fsb is too high.

[Q] My MB boots at 66Mhz fsb
[A] Upgrade your bios to F3 or F4. There was an fsb issue in F1 bios.

[Q] In windows there are only few IRQ in use – many devices use the same IRQ
[A] GigaByte posted to one of the XS forum members a reply saying there is nothing wrong in having few devices on one IRQ. The theory is different, however, noone has reported problems with having few devices on one IRQ on DS3. If you want, you can change in windows (Control Panel, System, Device Manager? – I’ve got polish windows ;) )

[Q] My CD/DVD is working soooo slowly, what to do?
[A] There is a problem of not enabling DMA mode in windows on DS3. Firstly, check this settings under windows, select DMA and reboot. Then try to install newest drivers from GigaByte website. It should help. Next time installing windows, make sure you have got the newest drivers on fdd. Also make sure you’ve got newest BIOS. Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this.

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.

[Q] Where to get BIOS files?
[A] Try official GigaByte website, then for F4C, F4E (beta bioses) go here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719. Or there is a mirror by Cranox: http://www.cranox.com/Gigabyte/DS3/ thx! :)

[Q] Is it normal that the system will reboot during its first power on after BIOS memory setting changed ? (965P-DQ6, 965P-DS4, 965P-DS3,965P-S3) – FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] For 965P-DQ6, 965P-DS4, 965P-DS3, 965P-S3 motherboard, if the memory setting is not the chipset spec of 800/ 667/533 MHz in the BIOS setting during system installation, then the system will re-write the initial motherboard parameter when the first boot after BIOS seeting. After the re-write is done, the system will reboot. The shutdown and reboot after the first power on is normal situation.

[Q] Is it normal that the system will reboot during its first power on? ( 965P-DS3 and 965P-S3 )– FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] For 965P-DS3 and 965P-S3 motherboard, during the first power on after the system is installed, the system will reset the initial BIOS and Chipset parameter based on the system configuration and then reboot the system. The shutdown and reboot after the first power on is normal situation

[Q] Windows crashes when I start Adobe Audition, Adobe Encore DVD, Adobe Premiere Elements, or Adobe Premiere Pro – FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] Please upgrade Realtek HD audio driver to latest version, and you can download this driver from Realtek website at http://www.realtek.com.tw

[Q] I cannot burn DVD-RW while I can burn DVD-R. I’m using Nero.
[A] Uninstall GigaByte drivers, and GigaByte software. Not sure, at the moment which particular one causes this. AND Update your bios to >=F3 Please PM me somebody.
Uninstalled gigabyte drivers except sound, lan and chipset, works fine.

yes it would seem such included ds3 software such as ETC, ET5, Icool, etc. dont do much other than make things more luckly to F up. I uninstalled them all but @Bios.

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.

I have a DS3. With my Celeron installed I could burn with Nero no problem. Once I put in my E6600 I couldn't burn anything and Nero would crash. From Add/Remove Programs I uninstalled the Gigabyte Raid Configurer, rebooted, and let XP search the internet for missing drivers. I chose the Gigabyte raid driver from the list XP found and now Nero 7 works fine.

[Q] I have disabled EIST but my multiplier keeps dropping. Why is my multiplier dropping? How to lock multiplier?
[A] This is an Intel function which reduces heat and power consumption in idle. May be problematic if you demand high core speed (more power) at once – it takes milliseconds for the CPU to ‘gain speed’ (up the multiplier) which is basically the time needed for bios to react – more power needed –> change multiplier
To disable it set in bios the EIST and C1E options both to disabled. I am not 100% sure which one does what, they are basically the same options ;) The multiplier would lock. Check it ex. in CPUz under Windows. Please PM me somebody if you know the theory and can explain the EIST and C1E function.

[Q] I get so much of a vdroop, is something not right? My VCore drops to ~1.17V
[A]
this is Normal, the first part of your question, where the voltage drops from 1.325 to 1.312, is absolutely normal. every board on the planet, has some level of variation for voltage, the amount your seeing here, is perfectly fine.
it's the VDroop, that most Intel Boards suffer from, that drives people nuts... set 1.5 volts in bios... get 1.44 volts in windows, get 1.39 volts under load... thats a really annoying feature that every Intel board released for the last 5 years has had, its called "V-Droop".
there is no fix for this through bios.
the only partial fix to it, is called a VDroop Mod. Risky if your not familiar with a soldering iron, and not the most beneficial mod one can do either, but its a nice mod, if your serious about your overclocks.

the second part of this question deals with a feature called C1E State.
when thats enabled, the Voltage to CPU drops to about 1.175 volts or close, when the CPU is at Idle... even if EIST is disabled.
this is the second form of "cooling" options intel has on thier latest CPU's.

if you want your Max multiplier always active, and the Voltage to stay near 1.3 volts or whatever you set it to, disable EIST and C1E in bios.

[Q] How do I flash bios?
[A] First, read on GigaBytes website. Then use:

-Hook up a floppy drive to your DS3
-Copy the official BIOS file to a floppy
-Insert floppy
-Boot PC
-Hit "Del" to enter BIOS
-Hit "F8" to enter Qflash.
-Select "Flash from floppy"
-Follow onscreen prompts to flash.
-Reboot when complete
-Enter BIOS, load fail-safe
-Reset CMOS.

Done.
or @BIOS under windows.
BE SURE TO DO FLASHING AT STOCK SETTINGS, NOT OVERCLOCKED

[Q] Hidden BIOS menu? How do I enable additional settings?
[A] If you are noob please press ctrl+f1 and check what’s changed ;)
If you are not and have noticed one menu extra go to: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1669860 and read more. Right now it’s a mystery ;)

[Q] DS3 is showing my DVD drive & DVD-RW as SCSI. Should I be worried?
[A] The DS3, like most 965P mobos, use a JMicron SATA/IDE controller chip that Windows sees as a SCSI device. This is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about. - Fred_Pohl post nr 3 - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1688605&postcount=3 :)

Sorry for my bad English ;)

And found on forum. THX GUYS!

i'd like to post my findings that i made today...hope it'll help...

1. i'm still using the 7600gt to OC and to my surprise, when i switched it from DVI to vga output, the OC CAN be done. this may prove that probably my gfx actually have problem.

2. i'm able to OC using single channel of ram and not dual channel ie. using only 1 stick. i've ran dual channel to OC and it worked before, but somehow or rather, now only 1 stick will work with OC. both rams passed memtest. my opinion would be might be the value select ram is a bit too crappy to the board's liking.

3. try not to plug in USB mouse. my board is able to OC without USB mouse. Ps2 mouse will do just fine. this also applies to keyboard.

4. when i OC with all the above conditions, the enabling of usb legacy support doesn't really come into play. i guess it's not affecting mine.

that's all that i've found out for today. i'm still not OC-ing my board cos no PS2 mouse. btw, i'm getting another replacement gfx and hope to post more findings.

Warning :
DS3 Hates Forton Powersupply , no boot.

Gigabyte 965P-DS3 is Not Compatible with Fotron 350w Aurora & Fortron 500w BlueStorm (i think all Fortron :( )

Again my tips for those hitting FSB walls are
ONE: Try putting PCIE Freq. at AUTO. It has given me nearly 100FSB more than with it locked at any number.
TWO: Try lowering the vdimm if you have it at +0.2 or higher. I get my best results at 0.1V
All the other things I could say have been said many times already, but not these two.

MODS Use ONLY at your own risk !!!
Vdroop pencil mod - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110101&highlight=ds3+mod

Disclaimer: I get no responsibility or whatsoever of using this FAQ. All changes are done at your own risk. If you happen to find an error PM me. If I did quote you and you don’t like this PM me. It’s impossible to ask everyone at the forum when using his/her idea or quoting them, sorry.

Updated at... look at the date below

ClockCatcher

08-08-2006, 02:05 AM

Nice FAQ, now let's wait new BIOS revision from Gigabyte to fix these issues.
Yeah and sticky would be great.

Khaotic

08-08-2006, 02:21 AM

kiwi

08-08-2006, 02:39 AM

You can also add link to mods section, including pencil mods :)
http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=3870&s=9

And some boards report wrong (higher) temps

Nice FAQ and I wish my german/french was like your english :D

ferds

08-08-2006, 03:12 AM

nice FAQ!!
this will help me when i get my DS3..
thanks

CrazyJohn

08-08-2006, 04:10 AM

@kiwi,
yeah and i forgot about the IRQ and DMA mode issues, i'll write it later ;)

i wrote to the moderator to stick it :) i'll wait cause there's a time difference ;) lately i've been speaking to a guy from canada, i was getting up while he was in the middle of the night ;)

damn, found already a slight mistake ;) will correct later :)

Cranox

08-08-2006, 04:12 AM

Thx for the FAQ :)

vsamaco

08-08-2006, 05:41 AM

I just intsalled the board today with a P4-640 that I had running on an Asus P5WD2 Premium - the 955 model. My CPU oc isn't the issue, its the southbridge - and the lack of features I'm finding. Intel says the 965P has the Storage Matrix (RAID) but I don't see the <CTRL-I> message to bring up the RAID controller. The IDE connector is attached to a Gigabyte controller and SLOW AS WORM DIRT. Putting my IDE CD-ROM drives on a IDE to SATA adapter doesn't work, the BIOS won't recognize them - no matter what jumper position the optical drives are in.
I'm loosing faith in this board. Help restore it.

You'll probably need to update your bios to fc4 => http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719. Did you make sure that you went into bios and set it to ide/raid? Also are the sata harddrive connected to the purple slot? If all that is done, there should be a prompt, after the first boot screen to press ctrl+g.

There is an issue with sata+raid that causes ide drive to operate in pio mode. Use the sata drivers on gigabyte website when your installing windows...

Lestat

08-08-2006, 06:00 AM

pencil mod's hhmmmm

dualshock

08-08-2006, 06:11 AM

i'd like to post my findings that i made today...hope it'll help...

1. i'm still using the 7600gt to OC and to my surprise, when i switched it from DVI to vga output, the OC CAN be done. this may prove that probably my gfx actually have problem.

2. i'm able to OC using single channel of ram and not dual channel ie. using only 1 stick. i've ran dual channel to OC and it worked before, but somehow or rather, now only 1 stick will work with OC. both rams passed memtest. my opinion would be might be the value select ram is a bit too crappy to the board's liking.

3. try not to plug in USB mouse. my board is able to OC without USB mouse. Ps2 mouse will do just fine. this also applies to keyboard.

4. when i OC with all the above conditions, the enabling of usb legacy support doesn't really come into play. i guess it's not affecting mine.

that's all that i've found out for today. i'm still not OC-ing my board cos no PS2 mouse. btw, i'm getting another replacement gfx and hope to post more findings.

CrazyJohn

08-08-2006, 06:40 AM

updated.

@dualshock i hope u don't mind ;)

dualshock

08-08-2006, 07:35 AM

no prob man...go right ahead, i hope it helped a lot of ppl...

badboy

08-08-2006, 09:43 AM

Nice quide. But I need my 7950GX2, both USB mouse and keyboard because they work the best in the USB ports as they Logitech G7 and G15. If I try to use the in the PS ports they won't work. I have a E6400 at stock speeds and this sucker is faster in most of benchmarks than a 4400+ at 2.7ghz I had before I got this intel setup. I seem to can't up the FSB at all though.

CrazyJohn

08-08-2006, 11:29 AM

about mpouse and keyboard - u know ps2 is not hot plug? a restart is needed, and a reinstallation of drivers

zillaoc

08-08-2006, 01:42 PM

I would luv to see a list of working ram for the DS3...

I'm still deciding what to buy the ds3 >P5B dlux >or P5W DH...

"Me sits and waits"
"has no patience > reaches for credit card"
"hits self on head"

CrazyJohn

08-08-2006, 02:39 PM

Corsair 667 on Elpida chips (what's the proper word for that?:|) works great with DS4 and DS3

eklipze

08-08-2006, 02:55 PM

thx for FAQ it should help me when i get my DS3 and e6400 but i'm not sure if i picked a good ram. -- RAM= 5400 XTC Gold 4-4-4-12 OCZ

edit: the OCZ Gold 5400 is at 1.9V .. wil the ram boot ???

korruptedone

08-08-2006, 03:26 PM

thx for FAQ it should help me when i get my DS3 and e6400 but i'm not sure if i picked a good ram. -- RAM= 5400 XTC Gold 4-4-4-12 OCZ

edit: the OCZ Gold 5400 is at 1.9V .. wil the ram boot ???

Best answer is to try and see. I'm getting some Corsair that runs at 1.9V for my build that starts on Thursday. I'll post how it works out after my finals are over.

eklipze

08-08-2006, 03:33 PM

okay thx if your corsair boots out of the box i'm probably buying the same ram as you =P i was thinking PC26400 DDR2 800 5-5-5-12? corsair? am i correct?

Khaotic

08-08-2006, 05:17 PM

okay thx if your corsair boots out of the box i'm probably buying the same ram as you =P i was thinking PC26400 DDR2 800 5-5-5-12? corsair? am i correct?

I was using Corsair PC2-6400 at 5-5-5-15 and not getting good results. I'm going to GUESS that my board was bad. I could not get a Windows install to start and overclocking went the same as a lot of folks. The sys would reboot back to default settings, and yes - i had an nvidia 7900GTX. And like someone else mentioned, I use USB 2.0 for my G15/G7 combo. Putting them on the PS2 just isn't going to happen. So I guess neither is an upgrade until the big POP happens and somebody makes a board worth the cardboard it's shipped in.

|SiLA|

08-08-2006, 05:42 PM

every brand of rams with D9 chips has problem with it?i bought some ocz D9 chips just for this mobo and 6400 so i can go higher 1:1 :(

lopri

08-08-2006, 06:29 PM

Will my Nina + fit on DS3?

Isn't it Ninja?

dualshock

08-08-2006, 06:30 PM

john, pls include the following to your faqs

for all who has problem not being able to OC at all, pls remove all your USB connections (working or not) and only plugged in the most basic connections, PS2 keyboard (pure pS2 not with converter) and VGA cable (not dvi and not converter).

vsamaco

08-08-2006, 06:47 PM

I was using Corsair PC2-6400 at 5-5-5-15 and not getting good results. I'm going to GUESS that my board was bad. I could not get a Windows install to start and overclocking went the same as a lot of folks. The sys would reboot back to default settings, and yes - i had an nvidia 7900GTX. And like someone else mentioned, I use USB 2.0 for my G15/G7 combo. Putting them on the PS2 just isn't going to happen. So I guess neither is an upgrade until the big POP happens and somebody makes a board worth the cardboard it's shipped in.

I have overclocked my d805 from 2.6 to 3.8ghz using corsair 6400 cl5 and ds3 mobo. I had issues at first, but when I put settings to manual (pci-e, memory frequency, timings, vcore, vdimm), i was able to overclock w/o much hassle there after...

Oh yea, this is with fc4 bios and latest sata+raid drivers.

eklipze

08-08-2006, 06:59 PM

hm..wow so much problems lol well if these 6400 rams are cuasing these problems probably i'm going to get some 1.9V DDR2 667 they're low volt and can run at about 800Mhz. = 400 mhz frequency so yeah thats about good too =D

zillaoc

08-08-2006, 07:12 PM

Corsair 667 on Elpida chips (what's the proper word for that?:|) works great with DS4 and DS3

Ty for the info m8...
i was looking at these as well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820220095

eklipze

08-08-2006, 07:34 PM

not bad ram zillaoc. you probably can get that to 5-5-5-15 and up some voltage =D

BottomsUp

08-08-2006, 07:56 PM

How is it possible that using a DVI connection vs VGA causes overclocking problems? THis doesn't make sense to me.

Chris583

08-08-2006, 10:58 PM

"Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this. "

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.

MQuartermass

08-08-2006, 11:15 PM

Still can't boot with OCZ800 RAM. Everyone seems to say that putting in some cheap ram and updating the BIOS then upping the DIMM Voltage +.2 or +.3 makes it work (which I did), but it still does the exact same thing after all that, even with one stick OCZ in. Fans start up, but I get no signal on the monitor and don't get the startup beep.

Any suggestions? Using a Seasonic 430W PSU, MSI 7600GT Card, and E6300.

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 02:07 AM

Isn't it Ninja?
Is's Ninja PLUS (Ninja+)

john, pls include the following to your faqs

for all who has problem not being able to OC at all, pls remove all your USB connections (working or not) and only plugged in the most basic connections, PS2 keyboard (pure pS2 not with converter) and VGA cable (not dvi and not converter).
I think i did write that?:> maybe i didn't make myself clear i wrote to unplug all usb

"Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this. "

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.
i'll put it in faq

updated.

MQuartermass

08-09-2006, 03:14 AM

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

oohms

08-09-2006, 03:17 AM

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

should work fine.. im using a pioneer 108 with mine

boblemagnifique

08-09-2006, 03:17 AM

/!\ Gigabyte 965P-DS3 is not Accept 512mb Corsair 5400 UL rev 1.3 /!\

:mad: :mad: :mad:

eklipze

08-09-2006, 03:38 AM

wow very surprised this is the first time i've seen corsair having problem with the DS3 board since most corsair are at the low 1.9-2.0V

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 03:48 AM

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

i;m using IDE Pioneer DVD-RW and is working very good

eklipze

08-09-2006, 03:54 AM

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=373

anyone think those mushkin ram will have any problems with the DS3?

ea6gka

08-09-2006, 04:06 AM

anyone pleayed with balistix on teh DS3?

irenic

08-09-2006, 04:08 AM

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=373

anyone think those mushkin ram will have any problems with the DS3?

i'm using that ram, 2x1gb (996527) and it runs superbly. prime stable @ 1080mhz 5-6-5-15 2.2vdimm :D

but i'm using DS4.

cool_dude

08-09-2006, 04:18 AM

Can anyone reading this thread confirm that the DS3/DS4 works fine with Gskill LA 5400?

cheers!

eklipze

08-09-2006, 04:22 AM

irenic: i'm thinking about that ram i still can get the OCZ plat which runs SUPERB too but i just have to boot up and get the F4C Bios update.-- i'm still thinking about it -- BTW: Mhz. and timings are kinda loosened too much. don't think i'll ever need ram to run at 1000 Mhz lol

Cool_dude: if Gskill is about 1.9V it should do perfectly fine unless the DS3/4 doesn't like that kind of ram. pS: most people only have problems with the PC26400 DDR2800 rams cuz they're usually higher voltage.

cool_dude

08-09-2006, 04:48 AM

Can anyone reading this thread confirm that the DS3/DS4 works fine with Gskill LA 5400?

cheers!

I forgot to mention that it works fine on DS3, im getting a DS4 so should be the same yup?

Anyone sucessful in clocking this ram here?

Cheers.

gam3r

08-09-2006, 05:51 AM

I forgot to mention that it works fine on DS3, im getting a DS4 so should be the same yup?

Anyone sucessful in clocking this ram here?

Cheers.

I'm intrested in the answer to this too! Please someone enlighten us :)

PcCI2iminal

08-09-2006, 06:00 AM

Gigabyte DS3
i have tried Team Group DDR2 1000 5-5-5-15 and Corsair XMS2 Pro DDR 533 3-3-3-8 with no problems to boot

Chris583

08-09-2006, 07:53 AM

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

It should... I have a E-IDE Samsung DVD-RW...and it works, mind you dvd playback didnt work at first with the mobo on the stock F2 bios, but F4C seemed to work for me and who knows the F3 might too. I'm going to test burning dvds tonight.

Also, TeamGroup DDR2 667 3-3-3-8 2GB Kit works fine in the DS3 at boot.

desolator

08-09-2006, 08:24 AM

Can any 1 confirm if the G.Skill 2GBHZ DDr2 800

My system failed to boot, and i have no other ddr2 to test on the system

I power it on, it runs for rnd 2 secs before powering down, it duznt seem like a ram issue to me, but just to be sure, cud sum 1 tell me if its the memory?

Miwo

08-09-2006, 08:25 AM

Very nice FAQ, should be extremely helpful for both existing and future DS3 owners.

To hold off till RD600 or jump DS3 now.....hmmmmm XD

MQuartermass

08-09-2006, 08:26 AM

Anyone have an answer to this: In POST and BIOS, my e6300 is correctly recognized at 1.86 with multiplier x7. But in CPU-Z, it says multiplier is x6 and core speed is 1.60 ... ?

EDIT: Using F4C BIOS...

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 09:36 AM

@MQuartermass
it's normal. when not used the cpu slows down...

damn i won;t write the features of the cpu in the faq :P

gravelayer

08-09-2006, 09:36 AM

So to OC this board I have to dump my logitech G15 keybaord and MX1000 mouse? How do any gamers use this board!
ARGGHHHHH!
I have a conroe in my hands wanting a mobo.......

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 09:40 AM

who says so? i've got mx610 usb2ps2 and is working perfectly well

gravelayer

08-09-2006, 09:50 AM

|SiLA|

08-09-2006, 09:52 AM

So to OC this board I have to dump my logitech G15 keybaord and MX1000 mouse? How do any gamers use this board!
ARGGHHHHH!
I have a conroe in my hands wanting a mobo.......

i let u know tomorrow when i get my ds4 with 6400
i have mx1000 and the keyboard from the kit mouse+kb of mx700

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 09:55 AM

From your post :

"Originally Posted by dualshock
usb mouse - zero overclock
no usb mouse - FULL OC potentional"

I can't take the chance of getting a mobo to OC with that won't OC with USB devices plugged in.

that was one user
some report unplugging usb devices to make 10-20Mhz more
some report that this has nothing to do with o/c'ing...

gravelayer

08-09-2006, 11:32 AM

Took the Plunge with some 2x1Gig Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 so I'll report back Friday night :fact:

Dirt

08-09-2006, 02:16 PM

i let u know tomorrow when i get my ds4 with 6400
i have mx1000 and the keyboard from the kit mouse+kb of mx700

Well SiLA how did it work out? Im very interested since I will get my DS4 and E6400 next week.

|SiLA|

08-09-2006, 02:27 PM

Well SiLA how did it work out? Im very interested since I will get my DS4 and E6400 next week.

well it's only 11,30pm here... :p: i should have it running in 14/16 hrs :toast:

eklipze

08-09-2006, 02:29 PM

Took the Plunge with some 2x1Gig Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 so I'll report back Friday night :fact:

hahah cool lemme kno if it works kk?

CrazyJohn

08-09-2006, 02:57 PM

the faq is being updated, but still i don't know some thngs...

if anybody knows anything please PM me :)

desolator

08-09-2006, 03:18 PM

Hassan

08-09-2006, 05:52 PM

mine boots and oc's fine with usb keyboard, usb mouse, and GSKill 2G 6400 HX's

Dirt

08-09-2006, 11:24 PM

well it's only 11,30pm here... :p: i should have it running in 14/16 hrs :toast:

Damit the youth of today, what happended to hard work all night? :nono: :slapass: ;)

Xtasy

08-09-2006, 11:34 PM

nice faq :)

matt89

08-10-2006, 02:24 AM

nice work on this faq

Dirt

08-10-2006, 02:43 AM

nice work on this faq

Agree, now we just like a similar FAQ for the DS4 Board :)

eklipze

08-10-2006, 02:51 AM

DS4 is pretty much the same as DS3 although i think DS4 have a bit less problem than the DS3. considering DS4= upgarded version? corrrect?

importpsycho

08-10-2006, 03:49 AM

[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and D9 memories?
[A] This, and other GigaByte MBs like DS4 and DQ6 are very fastidious. They, don’t like the best DDRIIs on the market nowadays D9 are known to be Winbond for ddr2 slots memory, tight timings, high frequency. GigaByte Mobos don’t like, for sure, Good Ram nonPRO 667 mem (D9). But these are only to be bought in Poland and/or Germany. The rest is pretty likely to be working well, but look below!

how common is this?
Just put an order on Team group with D9GMH
:sick:
my currrent OCZ Platinum pc2 6400 wont overclock squat so I thought I'd try proven overclocker....:(

Dirt

08-10-2006, 04:40 AM

DS4 is pretty much the same as DS3 although i think DS4 have a bit less problem than the DS3. considering DS4= upgarded version? corrrect?

At least thats what I hope for :) It has 6-phase power compared to the 3-phase of DS3, actually the board seems to have more things in common with the DQ6 than the DS3.

Havn´t seen much overclocking on it so far but what I have seen looks good: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108937

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=108372

Kampfflummi

08-10-2006, 05:22 AM

As there still seems to be some confusion about whether or not the DS3 overwrites the ram timings I would like to report my findings here.

I have read what Lestat wrote about the subject but to be honest I did not really understand what exactly his proof was, maybe my english is too bad.

Anyway, I have a
DS3 (F4C)
2GB Mushkin PC6400 5-5-5-15
Radeon 1900XT

The Mushkin is pretty good for the Money, being able to do CL4 at DDR800 and sometimes going up above DDR900 at 5-5-5-15.

Here is the Test:
I set VDimm to +0,3, all other Voltages remain untouched.
The FSB is set to 400MHZ
The ram is set to 2XFSB, making it run at DDR800
(the Problem only turns up when running the Ram 1:1 with the FSB, which is hard to prefent for overclocking)

So first I start with the ram timings set to auto. The System starts, but breaks down during Windows loading screen. Three times, so I give up.

I set the timings to CL6. Same outcome.
I set them to CL5, same outcome. (Tried five times now)

I set them to CL4, and the system starts. Not only does it start, it is able to run two instances of prime for 39 minutes before reporting a mistake.

I repeatet the test twice. Same outcome.

So why is it that CL4 is much more stable than CL5 and CL6? Easy, it is because CL4 is actually the lowest timing I can possibly get. Cl5 and Cl6 are reportet as CL3 by CPUZ when I start at FSB266, and it is right. CL4 is reportet as CL4 by CPUz, and it is right.

I just felt It is important to post that here as I do not want the Gigabyte engineers to get funny ideas about having a working bios when they read here:rolleyes:

There is a guy at www.forum-3dcenter.org who has the same Problem with the same Ram/Boar combination, so I consider this matter to be clear now. Let me know if I have made mistakes here, If not I would like you to try yourself (or anyone who has the Issues for that matter) and correct the Section in the Faq, as I am sure by now that this is clearly a case of overwritten data in the Bios and I would like engineers and customers to know.

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 05:32 AM

how common is this?
Just put an order on Team group with D9GMH
:sick:
my currrent OCZ Platinum pc2 6400 wont overclock squat so I thought I'd try proven overclocker....:(
very common, sorry...

davvy76

08-10-2006, 05:38 AM

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.

oijkue

08-10-2006, 05:38 AM

thx
nice FAQ :toast:

Thrawn

08-10-2006, 05:42 AM

So why is it that CL4 is much more stable than CL5 and CL6? Easy, it is because CL4 is actually the lowest timing I can possibly get. Cl5 and Cl6 are reportet as CL3 by CPUZ when I start at FSB266, and it is right. CL4 is reportet as CL4 by CPUz, and it is right.

Then take a look at this. http://www.lie.id.au/pics/500fsb_3dMark.jpg

My result is with Corsair PC-5300 Value sticks. I really doubt value stick can pull off CAS 3 at 500 FSB. So the reading must be false.

Kampfflummi

08-10-2006, 05:51 AM

Which Bios is that?

vsamaco

08-10-2006, 05:55 AM

Anyone know a way to get memory frequency and fsb:dram to show up in cpuz? The last time I saw it was when I set my memory multiplier to 3:5... This is using a d805 and xm2 6400 cl5 memory

Thrawn

08-10-2006, 06:15 AM

Which Bios is that?

F3 BIOS

Kampfflummi

08-10-2006, 06:47 AM

Ok I just testet the same with F3 and got the same results.
Also, I testet 1:1 against 4:5. At 400FSB that means DDR1000, but CPUZ reports the right timings at 4:5 so I figured it worth a try.
To make it short; DDR1000 beats DDR800 in Case of stability. Funny...

If your shots are real all I can guess is that the real ram issue on this Board is linked to certain sticks only, which should be clear by now, while the wrong showing of the Timings occurs always.

btw I am impressed your sticks do DDR1000 at all, is it stable?

Thrawn

08-10-2006, 07:16 AM

btw I am impressed your sticks do DDR1000 at all, is it stable?

Quite stable. I'm on my second DS3 right now (the shot before was on my 1st DS3). This one is not as good as the first and doesn't seem to like "Auto" settings or the 1:1 dividers. I have to use the 4:5 dividers to achieve stability. Running in "daily use" at 408 FSB now on an e6400. RAM is at 1020 odd 5-7-7-24 2.0v.

Kampfflummi

08-10-2006, 07:35 AM

Well...that is about the same problem I desribed, isn't it? So maybe you should test what I testet so we can be sure.

Why did you give away your old Board anyway?

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 08:30 AM

My result is with Corsair PC-5300 Value sticks. I really doubt value stick can pull off CAS 3 at 500 FSB. So the reading must be false.
That is my opinion to. :)

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.
i need another confirmation and i'll change faq :)

mkorpal333

08-10-2006, 09:38 AM

ste

08-10-2006, 09:43 AM

I'm getting the same problems as Kampfflummi. There is only a problem when using the 1:1 ratio. All other ratios seem fine to me. When I use 4:5 ratio my ram is stable at ~460Mhz, when using exactly the same timings but changing the ratio to 1:1, the system won't even load windows. Something has to be wrong with the 1:1 ratio at least for some kinds of Ram. I'm using G.Skill DDR2 PC2-6400 NR Series 5-5-5-15 ram

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 09:57 AM

Quick question, how hard is it to flash the bios on the DS3. I'm thinking of getting it and if it's going to be a pain to flash, than I will wait to make sure that a decent bios is shipped with the board. I've never actually flashed bios, so I'm not sure how hard it is.

a baby can do it ;)
windows, dos, bios (from bios special menu) flash. easy like 1,2,3... under windows it's like 4clicks on special buttons, don't worry ;)

thunderstruck!

08-10-2006, 10:04 AM

I've got a question about this mobo and decided to post here instead of creating a thread, but I haven't found an answer.

When I boot up, the system powers on (fans begin to spin), then stalls (fans pause for 1-2 seconds, then the fans start spinning again normally and it POSTS.

Is this normal? I just installed this DS3 w/ a 6400. Using box cooler for now.

TimothyB

08-10-2006, 10:18 AM

I think in the FAQ here there are some questions related to how the board will go on and off, once or many times in a row. So feel better that it's normal for various reasons for this mobo to do this. So check out the fact to find out if one of the answers about it restarting clears things up for yo.

But does your mobo post fine from then on after the initial power on?

I can't give anymore feedback because I have the ZX GSkill ram which doesn't work so my system so it powers on and off endlessly right now until my new ram that will arrive later today.

mkorpal333

08-10-2006, 10:31 AM

Another quick question, how hot does the NB get? Is it worth it to get aftermarket cooling for the NB? I was thinking that if I had room, I would get a thermalright HR-05.

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 10:35 AM

read the faq ;[

mkorpal333

08-10-2006, 10:41 AM

read the faq ;[

Oops. I've read it at least twice but I must have missed it. Do you know of any results from people who replace the NB heatsink. Like a max OC with the stock and a max OC with the aftermarket.

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 12:23 PM

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 01:55 PM

So I gues the best bios for the ds3 for the highest fsb`s possible is currently the F3 bios from Gigabyte`s webpage ?

CrazyJohn

08-10-2006, 01:58 PM

f4c if ur mem boots at 1.8V

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 02:05 PM

And why is the f4c better than f3 ? We want all to obtain the highest fsb possible , I am curious if the f4c is better for high fsb`s.

Rare1

08-10-2006, 02:11 PM

Great info!

Subscribed

Lt_JWS

08-10-2006, 04:25 PM

I've been doing some testing with my DS3/E6400, I can prime @ 3.2Ghz 400x8 1.475vcore in bios, wont bootup with any higher setting with "virtualization" technology enabled, with it disabled i can boot @ 3.3 and its pretty much stable, just wondered if anyone else had the same results???

ocZZZ

08-10-2006, 04:44 PM

anything over 400fsb is crap with mine with virtualization or not.

I've been doing some testing with my DS3/E6400, I can prime @ 3.2Ghz 400x8 1.475vcore in bios, wont bootup with any higher setting with "virtualization" technology enabled, with it disabled i can boot @ 3.3 and its pretty much stable, just wondered if anyone else had the same results???

korruptedone

08-10-2006, 04:59 PM

no, no results, sorry
but the NB itself is so damn hot that i am thinking of putting sth there... but what can fit under ninja :| and it has to be silent... i've got a problem...
anyway it's normal that the NB is so hot that u cannot touch it

http://www.frozencpu.com/vid-64.html?id=IeQ2eoum

I have that plus the Ninja mounted, just got all of my stuff today finally. Mounting the NB cooler was a little scary (haven't seen a naked NB in ages...used to a heatspreader) and I'm not even sure if my system is gonna boot, but I do have this + the Ninja. As long as it turns on I think it's a good pairing.

fyleow

08-10-2006, 05:02 PM

I noticed that the memory dividers aren't really stable. If I run at stock speeds using the 667mhz or 800mhz dividers it crashes my system. But I can run using the 1:1 divider at 333 mhz FSB, giving me the same 667mhz on the memory and everything works fine. What is going on?

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 05:37 PM

So I gues F4c is the preferred DS3 BIOS right now because CPU-Z showes the information correctly with this bios. Ok

fyleow

08-10-2006, 06:05 PM

Can't get 7 x 400 = 2.8 ghz stable with an E6300 @ 1.4Vcore. I wonder if it's a crappy CPU or a crappy board. Using an Thermalright SI-120, and RAM seems to pass memtest at this speed.

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 06:24 PM

changelog F3 to F4c ( download here : http://www.venomousmofo.com/XtremeSystems/BIOS/Gigabyte/DS3/965PDS3.F4C )

"this bios greatly improves compatibility with ram"

"PIO MODE problem is fixed with F4 bios"

" You may have to boot with 1 stick of ram to get the board to post out of the box, then flash the bios and try both sticks "

"can allow to use 2.1V ram and++"

"you need to turn off all unnecessary things in the BIOS, USB legacy, parallel ports etc"

"DMA mode is fully working" to check this : Go to device manager from system. Under IDE ATA/Atapi controller, right click on primary ide channel (maybe multiple) for properties. Should be under advanced settings tab =>transfer mode.

Lestat ""the F3 bios would reset the bios and let you boot into the bios if you overclocked too far. the F4 bios isnt letting you do that. you have to reset the bios. i dont care for that but hey they are making progress and its a beta so..."

" Due to the 4MB cache and hitting the 1066 memory strap earlier, these CPUs have not been clocking as high on the P965 boards (9x410 or so) unless you drop the mulitplier which defeats the purpose of buying one. The bios revisions are coming in hot and heavy right now"

and remember, the North Bridge get`s very warm, even @ 300 mhz fsb so cool it PROPER ;)

>> To go to the advanced settings in the bios : hit ctrl F1

Who does the bios flash in windows ?

Fred_Pohl

08-10-2006, 07:35 PM

So I gues F4c is the preferred DS3 BIOS right now because CPU-Z showes the information correctly with this bios. Ok

My DS3 came with the F1 bios. It booted right up with a E6400 and 2x1GB of OCZ Platinum PC6400 (4-5-4-15). I set the Vdimm to +.2v and flashed to the F4C bios and it was fine until I OC'd it too far and had to clear the CMOS. Since then everytime I try to power on the fans start to spin and the mobo promptly turns off. No beeps, no keyboard lights, nada. Removing the battery doesn't help. I tried some PNY PC4300 I had laying around (yeah, I know it has to run at PC5400) and the same thing happens.

Is this normal behavior if the ram doesn't have enough voltage? I expected to get some beeps if the ram was the problem. I'm trying to decide whether to buy some cheap PC5400 to boot with or just RMA this buggy piece of crap. :(

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 07:37 PM

I'm trying to decide whether to buy some cheap PC5400 to boot with or just RMA this buggy piece of crap. :(
Sounds like an RMA to me to :( . F4E is like 1 hour warm .........:eek:

Akaikami

08-10-2006, 07:39 PM

How much can I overclock a E6400 with stock cooling?

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 07:39 PM

F4E bios is here, this one not bricking your ds3 : http://rapidshare.de/files/28960251/965pds3.f4e.html

This morning I got "another" F4e BIOS, which they said is "the same as" what I've received yesterday, of course I don't believe it though...
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/kenofstephen/DSC00359.jpg
Once again, please use it at your own risks, the above picture showing the successful screen after updating.
http://rapidshare.de/files/28960251/965pds3.f4e.html
they said "After updating to F4e on 965P-DS3, there is no problem at all.
Please see the attached picture."

thanks kenofstephen

Fred_Pohl

08-10-2006, 07:46 PM

Sounds like an RMA to me to :( . F4E is like 1 hour warm .........:eek:

That's what I'm afraid of. RMAs are a PITA and I don't know which board to replace this DS3 with.

FWIW, someone here says that the F4E bios killed his DS3. Considering that my board worked fine until I flashed it to F4C, I'm inclined to avoid beta bioses from Gigabyte.

Pjoeloe

08-10-2006, 08:35 PM

that F4E of his was actually the wrong bios, that was a renamed by gigabyte ds6 bios. The new F4E is not killing your ds3. Where do you downloaded your bios ?

Fred_Pohl

08-10-2006, 08:50 PM

that F4E of his was actually the wrong bios, that was a renamed by gigabyte ds6 bios. The new F4E is not killing your ds3. Where do you downloaded your bios ?

I got F4C from a link posted here. It did work fine until I cleared the CMOS. I suspect that while my ram could boot with F1 at 1.8V, it might not with F4C. Perhaps F1 incorrectly read the spd as 5-5-5 and F4C correctly reads it as 4-5-4? I'm guessing here.

Rare1

08-11-2006, 06:36 AM

So to OC this board I have to dump my logitech G15 keybaord and MX1000 mouse? How do any gamers use this board!
ARGGHHHHH!
I have a conroe in my hands wanting a mobo.......

I have G15 and G7 mouse and I have the usb keyboard and mouse disabled and it all works fine.

No worries :toast:

realsmasher

08-11-2006, 10:32 AM

Akaikami

08-11-2006, 12:07 PM

Pitt

08-11-2006, 12:32 PM

Memory should be fine, that's what I'm running in mine.

Try the usual stuff...clear bios, take out battery for a min and put back in, reseat everything.

edit: also make sure you didn't forget the 4 pin PCI-E power cable to the MB

TimothyB

08-11-2006, 12:40 PM

Somebody help please just built my system and it won't post.

E6400 + DS3
Antec SONATAII 450W PSU
2GB Corsair DDR2-800 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590 )
eVGA Nvidia 7600GT KO
I have a CD-drive connected and my HD connected.

It just starts up for a few seconds then shuts down then starts up and stays on, nothing is showing up on my monitor and there are no post beeps.

Edit: If somebody could help me over AIM that would be great, my screen name is TheAkaikami

I have the same CPU, Mobo and Ram. If this is the first time using the mobo, it may only have the F1 bios, so I would try one stick of memory if you haven't. And when turning the PSU off and pulling the cable from the back, try pushing the case power button several times too before doing anything. So see if one stick works, if it still does nothing try a different slot that hasn't been used yet with one stick.

I had just started a thread with some odd behavior from the ram here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111024

Dominus

08-11-2006, 01:20 PM

i got a question :

does anyone know a good fan control for ds3 + boxed cooler ?

my starts to run full speed at around 60-65°C which is REALLY high in my opinion.

i would like to have it run full speed allready at 50-55°C. any possibility to do so ?

the fan control in easy tune is greyed out for me....

ah yes : bios is on auto, so i could set it to "disabled" but then fan runs full then speed ALL the time, and that's not acceptable.

Looking for a decent fan controller too myself - CPU temps are ok, but not for overclocking. My freezer 7 pro only hits 1000RPM though, it should do triple.

is 49C system temp OK for OCing? Was hitting 61C without a fan on it.

Akaikami

08-11-2006, 02:02 PM

I have the same CPU, Mobo and Ram. If this is the first time using the mobo, it may only have the F1 bios, so I would try one stick of memory if you haven't. And when turning the PSU off and pulling the cable from the back, try pushing the case power button several times too before doing anything. So see if one stick works, if it still does nothing try a different slot that hasn't been used yet with one stick.

I had just started a thread with some odd behavior from the ram here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111024

I figured out what I had to do. I just took out the CMOS battery and shorted the jumper and left it out for 10 minutes. And I was previously only using 1 stick of ram but I put both in and it posted fine. I'm not posting on this system and it is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing FAST.

ocZZZ

08-11-2006, 02:40 PM

yay! 1000 speeds with the new bios

delas52

08-11-2006, 03:15 PM

Ok, well got the ds3 a while ago, my E6400 wednesday, and my gskill 2gbnr RAM came today. i was worried this ram wouldn't work becuase it didn't for a few others but it has booted up great everytime!

MY problem is the mouse. It is a usb laser mouse (the logitech g5). It worked great during windows installation but then I installed a few drivers from the gigabyte disc and re-booted and it wont work. It doesn't even light up anymore unless I use my usb -> ps2 adapter, then it will light up but not work. I tried enabling usb mouse in bios and that didnt work.

I think it is that INF updater (it says it controls usb plug and play when you install it). I thought I would need that but it is most likely causing the trouble. I have been trying to unistall it with just the keyboard but running the installer again doesn't do anything and it doesn't appear to be in add/remove programs. It could have been one of the other usb drivers I guess (like the ICH8 one) but I don't know. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks.

mkorpal333

08-11-2006, 03:27 PM

yay! 1000 speeds with the new bios

Is your memory the 3-3-3-8 or the 3-4-4-8 timmings. Also, what voltage are you using. And last, does it boot ok at 1.8V. Thanks.

ocZZZ

08-11-2006, 03:28 PM

was 3-4-4-8 667 but running 5-5-5-10 +.4 at 1000 speeds

d@rkn1ko

08-11-2006, 03:49 PM

yay! 1000 speeds with the new bios

what bios? :toast:

ocZZZ

08-11-2006, 03:55 PM

f4e, still stuck at 400fsb though :/ ah well

mkorpal333

08-11-2006, 04:12 PM

korruptedone

08-11-2006, 04:36 PM

Man, this is annoying. These boards seem bi-polar. One will oc like crazy and the next will not go 1 mhz over stock. And some won't even boot. I really want to get one, but it seems like a huge gamble.

I wouldn't say it's a gamble, but you definately have to do your homework. BIOS updates have been helping a lot, and if you research well enough you can find out a lot of the fixes for issues people have been seeing.

CrazyJohn

08-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Akaikami

08-11-2006, 04:50 PM

Ok I got my system running and everything, right now i'm on the F1 BIOS and i'm just wondering a few things.

This was my first time putting thermal paste on a cpu/HSF and it was a big pain in the ass. I did it as directed on the Arctic tutorial. I put a rice-sized glob of it in the middle of the proc and spreaded it around with my finger wrapped in seran wrap in a circular motion until it almost covered the whole top of the CPU. Then I put on the HSF (stock) and I found it to be a HUGE pain in the ass to get on. I would get 2 of the plastic things popped in but then the other 2 wouldn't go in until I pushed them so hard it didn't sound good on my mobo.

Well anyways, I was wondering if idling at 40-43C is bad for stock cooling?

fyleow

08-11-2006, 05:13 PM

@mkorpal333...
one again, read and understand...
the motherboard is the same, basically every single one is the same. it all depends on mem and gpu, not on motherboard.
mine not-ocing-a-1mhz board will go 500 with good mem and gpu

updated faq.

That's not true, I have two of these boards sitting in front of me now. They both have the F4C bios and with the exact same components one will not OC past 2ghz on an E6300 while the other one does 2.4ghz dual prime stable. Heatsink, memory, video card, hard drive, bios verion and settings, psu, cooling, etc is exactly the same.

SlackAdjuster

08-11-2006, 08:45 PM

Delas52,

I had my mouse also quit working on me after doing a reinstall, I have a Logitech MX518 & after I was installing some updates & the INF driver my mouse just quit. It would light up on Post but once it got into windows it would not light up again. What I did to get it working again was I went into device manager & noticed that all my UB root hubs had yellow exclamation marks by them. I just removed the hubs & rebooted & let windows redetect them & everything started to work again. I think it is possibly a bug with the inf drivers.

delas52

08-11-2006, 08:48 PM

Thank you. I got it fixed by installing the Ich8 usb drivers a second time. Not sure why, but it worked.

numbers

08-11-2006, 09:04 PM

Suggestion: Can we get a list of compatible / noncompatible ram with this board? Granted its not too hard to google and find various threads listing compatible sticks but it'd be nice to have it in one place. Some working/nonworking ram modules are listed here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110645

RonTheMan

08-11-2006, 09:14 PM

drwowe

08-11-2006, 09:46 PM

I installed the F4E beta bios today. It completely cured the "can't overclock" problem, even with dual channel RAM and a 7600gt GFX card. Everyone having these problems should try it.

CrazyJohn

08-12-2006, 12:28 AM

That's not true, I have two of these boards sitting in front of me now. They both have the F4C bios and with the exact same components one will not OC past 2ghz on an E6300 while the other one does 2.4ghz dual prime stable. Heatsink, memory, video card, hard drive, bios verion and settings, psu, cooling, etc is exactly the same.
i did exaggerate on purpose. my point was to show that no o/c at all doesn’t mean the board is crappy, it means it doesn’t like components and will o/c some mhz with another set of mem and gpu...

ofc there are differences in o/c’ing as u said

Dirt

08-12-2006, 01:34 AM

Anyone tried to OC this card with a 6800 card??

vintage_guitar

08-12-2006, 01:39 AM

weird , my SATA drive allows me to O/C to 400+FSB , whereas my IDE won't allow 360+ at ANY volts or setting.

kenofstephen

08-12-2006, 03:03 AM

I join the 500 club too~:woot:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/kenofstephen/club.jpg

The_Hardstylez

08-12-2006, 06:04 AM

I join the 500 club too~:woot:

Picture of 400FSB

Whats are your chipset V settings ?

Has anyone SETFSB/Clockgen for me that works on a DS3 ? Easytune sucks :/

vintage_guitar

08-12-2006, 06:12 AM

Whats are your chipset V settings ?

Has anyone SETFSB/Clockgen for me that works on a DS3 ? Easytune sucks :/

the new SETFSB works fine

The_Hardstylez

08-12-2006, 06:15 AM

the new SETFSB works finewhere can I find it ? I can't find it with google..

The_Hardstylez

08-12-2006, 06:17 AM

ok, i found it, works fine,

Thanks :)

ocZZZ

08-12-2006, 06:37 AM

where at?

ok, i found it, works fine,

Thanks :)

kenofstephen

08-12-2006, 07:14 AM

Whats are your chipset V settings ?

Has anyone SETFSB/Clockgen for me that works on a DS3 ? Easytune sucks :/

do you mean MCH? just +0.1v:)

kenofstephen

08-12-2006, 07:18 AM

where at?

The official site here: http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/

New SetFSB : for GA-965P - Supported Gigabyte GA-8I965P-DS3 (should be GA-965P-DS3)

http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/download/beta/setfsbU15a1_GA-965P.zip

Cranox

08-12-2006, 08:23 AM

I join the 500 club too~:woot:

Maybe im wrong but that is 400 fsb in the cpu-z screen.

ClockCatcher

08-12-2006, 08:30 AM

Maybe im wrong but that is 400 fsb in the cpu-z screen.
Maybe he meant that benchmark score?

Cranox

08-12-2006, 08:32 AM

Aha , ok that explains it :)

gravelayer

08-12-2006, 08:38 AM

I installed the F4E beta bios today. It completely cured the "can't overclock" problem, even with dual channel RAM and a 7600gt GFX card. Everyone having these problems should try it.

OK my board comes in tomorrow so where can I get the F4E BIOS? I can't find a beta bios section at gigabyte.

The_Hardstylez

08-12-2006, 10:35 AM

whats the different from F3 > F4E ? Higher fsb ?

ClockCatcher

08-12-2006, 10:39 AM

whats the different from F3 > F4E ? Higher fsb ?
Not sure about fsb, but at least many issues has been fixed (PIO, Geforce7, CAS, and some other fixes).

CrazyJohn

08-12-2006, 11:06 AM

Not sure about fsb, but at least many issues has been fixed (PIO, Geforce7, CAS, and some other fixes).
were they?
are u sure 7600GS is working?
and CAS also?

i am sure about DS4, not DS3...

AgonxOC

08-12-2006, 11:42 AM

I am thinking about playing with a DS3 with an E6400, but I want to get some good RAM. What RAM works with this board. I like OCZ, but I can get anything else if its as high end stuff...

Alex

MaSell

08-12-2006, 11:48 AM

What about support ECC memory?

delas52

08-12-2006, 12:00 PM

F4E cures the CAS problem.

CrazyJohn

08-12-2006, 01:08 PM

F4E cures the CAS problem.
i did put it in my faq ;)

vintage_guitar

08-12-2006, 02:57 PM

I upgraded to the F4C bios, but I am still having PCI issues. I have 2 different pci ide controller cards and when they are installed the system goes to the xpress 2 recovery. If I remove them I can boot perfectly fine! I cant figure out how to fix this!
Try upgrading to f4e

hicookie

08-12-2006, 03:15 PM

SlackerXL

08-12-2006, 03:16 PM

Try upgrading to f4e
any links available?
T.I.A.

Cranox

08-12-2006, 03:36 PM

I have put some DS3 biosses on my website http://www.cranox.com/Gigabyte/DS3/
F3
F4C
F4E

Gigabyte biosthread here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719

SlackerXL

08-12-2006, 03:46 PM

I have put some DS3 biosses on my website http://www.cranox.com/Gigabyte/DS3/
F3
F4C
F4E

Gigabyte biosthread here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109719
Thanx m8
hope F4E & 2X1GB ocz 6400 will let my 6600b2 reach ~ 3.5....

CrazyJohn

08-12-2006, 04:22 PM

that's a good article, i translated to chinese:D

chinese here
http://www1.oc.com.tw/forums/msgexcel.asp?id0=0&id=A02&msgid=219667&new=yes&no=1548970&posit=2&allfrom=219667
http://www.pcdvd.com.tw/showthread.php?t=644390

could u please PM me and tell what did u add to it? because i can see some new links? :)

and a question, did u put a link to this forum? asking because i upgrade my faq very often - today twice ;)
please put there the ver number or sth on which u based...

nice work :)

xanthic

08-12-2006, 06:05 PM

-.-

FinanceFan

08-12-2006, 07:30 PM

I thought it was fixed, but I am still having problems with both my pci ide controllers even using the newest bios. The problem was that when I had the controller plugged in it forced me to boot up to the xpress recovery 2. Now I am able to boot up to windows, but it doesn't recognize any of the devices like if nothing is plugged in. I did the usual and the drivers are in and theres no conflicts. None of the drives still show up in the disk management so I can import them. I would appreciate some help. Is my board bad? Should I just get something else?

lm358

08-12-2006, 07:51 PM

Hi guys,

Sorry if this has been answered before (couldn't find anything from search). Can someone please explain the different between the DS3 and the S3 motherboards? Is it worth paying the extra for the DS3? (Looking for an interim MB :)

fyleow

08-12-2006, 07:54 PM

Akaikami

08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Quick question.

I'm using the DS3 right now and I setup the onboard sound and it's working well. However the sound for various stuff like voices, ingame announcers, stuff like that are really low (including self-weapon sounds and footstep sounds in games like CS:S)

Is there a solution to this because it's really annoying! :(

delas52

08-12-2006, 08:46 PM

I have hit a huge fsb-wall at 330FSB. Once I go any higher the PC wont stay stable. I have tried every voltage item individually, different RAM slots, different SATA slots, different timings, different pcie frequencys, without usb, and everything else I can think of basically. Any ideas? Different pci slots? I don't think so but this really is irritating me. F4e bios. Specs in sig. Help please! Thanks.

tys90

08-12-2006, 09:11 PM

Thought I would share my results and maybe get some advice. My system is:

DS3
E6400
2x1GB OCZ DDR2-800 Plat XTC
7900GT
Big Typhoon
etc...

First, I had to grab a stick out of a dell to boot, then once flashed to F4E I haven't had any troubles running the OCZ at all, multiple CMOS clears, etc. I messed around with it for a good while and have concluded there is a solid wall at 399/400 FSB and it's the DS3 that is limiting me. No matter what multipler, MCH/FSB/PCI/Vcore/Vdimm voltage, auto memory SPD, manual SPD, PCI-E freq, and then many combinations of extra settings can get me past 400 in bios or in windows using easy tune. I can boot and am 32M stable at 395 with vcore at 1.4, but I can't even post at 400. I feel that the CPU has a lot left but I'm not sure how I can go about getting an exchange for the MB (what do I say as an excuse?). I think I just got a crappy MB. Anyways, any suggestions are useful, but I've tried pretty much every combination of settings with no luck.

chrisf6969

08-12-2006, 10:05 PM

So the new BIOS fixes the Cas3 problem?

Was it that the old BIOS always forced Cas 3 ? or was it just CPU-Z misreporting?

Obviously, I've tried the Ctrl+F1 trick to manually set it.
Cas 3-5 always shows up in CPU-Z as Cas 3.
Cas 6 makes the computer go in to a reboot loop, that requires a Clear CMOS!

If so I think thats what may be limiting my overclock, right now. (I've got some cheap DDR667 that doesn't go very high at Cas3)

BTW, was that in the first post? You have to hit Ctrl+F1 while at main BIOS menu, then when you go in to the MIT section you'll have all the "secret" advanced options! :)

CrazyJohn

08-13-2006, 01:54 AM

ocZZZ

08-13-2006, 04:02 AM

you're CRAAAZZY! hehe

SlackerXL

08-13-2006, 04:53 AM

Kampfflummi

08-13-2006, 05:50 AM

NO FOR ONE MORE TIME
THE BOARD DOES NOT MAKE YOUR RAM BOOT AT CAS 3 ALL THE TIME.
IT'S JUST AN ERROR WHEN BIOS IS GIVING SETTINGS TO WINDOWS PROGRAMS.

THERE IS NO MEM ON THE PLANET THAT WOULD BOOT CAS 3 @ 550 MHz AND BE PRIME STABLE
!!!

As in many cases not all users need to have the same problems. Please read my little test concerning this again, I do not have any other Idea than the CAS Problem actually being a problem, at least for some. Now with F4e I can run this thing at 375FSB without touching any Voltages besides memory, running at 1:1. Now thats an improvement over not being able to overclock more than to 300FSB with every other Bios before. One could almost think my stability issues were solved the same time this little displaying bug dissapeared. Now THAT'S a coincidence...

rzrsk8

08-13-2006, 07:37 AM

Which SATA ports are you guys using for over 400+ FSB.

I can't pass dual prime with 400 x 6 = 2.4ghz or 400 x 7 = 2.8 ghz with an E6400. But it is dual prime stable with 350 x 8 = 2.8 ghz.

I have tried switching to a Matrox PCI card and using a PS/2 mouse but no luck. I think it might be the SATA?
Can someone please just answer this real quickly? I've asked this before but no one will answer...when using the darker colored GSATA ports any overclock at all causes the computer to not even boot.

kenofstephen

08-13-2006, 08:09 AM

Can someone please just answer this real quickly? I've asked this before but no one will answer...when using the darker colored GSATA ports any overclock at all causes the computer to not even boot.

I use SATA0

SlackerXL

08-13-2006, 09:42 AM

i've been testing a DS3 with a B2 6600 since yesterday...
tried all available bios (official and non official)
currently testing with F4E
unfortunately i only have two OCZ 2GB kits to play with...
which can't actually work at their default speeds :confused:

the first kit (2x1gb 667 gold)
wont boot at fsb=333 regardless of timmings
and the second (2x1gb 800 XTC Platinum)
is having difficulties reaching its stock speeds fsb~390

all test are done with a multi of 7 or lower so that the cpu freq is not the limiting factor in any way
timmings are set manually and auto
and voltage is always set manually as OCZ recomends in their website

F4E seems to solve the problem with the ram...
Both memory kits boot up fine and pass SnM memory test at stock speeds

but now the rest of the settings seem to work whenever they feel like...
they eithet boot fine and pass spi32m and SnM torure test
or bsod me at XP welcome screen

this board definitely has a personality of its own...

one more thing i've noticed is that the Northbridge does NOT get hot
even @ vmch~1.3/ 380fsb
although the little 4cm fan i've put there does a decent job
i still suspect poor contact with the HS
gonna try Thermalatke SpiritII asap

BottomsUp

08-13-2006, 09:55 AM

i want a NB cooler too. Is Thermalatke SpiritII the best choice? I'm afraid to buy something because i can't tell what fits under my BT.

fyleow

08-13-2006, 11:28 AM

i've been testing a DS3 with a B2 6600 since yesterday...
tried all available bios (official and non official)
currently testing with F4E
unfortunately i only have two OCZ 2GB kits to play with...
which can't actually work at their default speeds :confused:

the first kit (2x1gb 667 gold)
wont boot at fsb=333 regardless of timmings
and the second (2x1gb 800 XTC Platinum)
is having difficulties reaching its stock speeds fsb~390

all test are done with a multi of 7 or lower so that the cpu freq is not the limiting factor in any way
timmings are set manually and auto
and voltage is always set manually as OCZ recomends in their website

Do you guys know if all the secondary memory timmings are set correctly when in auto mode?

i can't find any other explanation as to why the board can't run two sets of ram at even their stock speeds

any suggestions are welcome

Do NOT assume that the board is capable of 390 FSB. Most likely the limiting factor is the motherboard and not the memory. I have the same 6400 platinum sticks, and I can pass memtest at 400 FSB but I will fail dual prime in windows at the same speeds. I'm almost certain that some of the FSB walls (even those under 400) people have been hitting are caused by the motherboard and not the other components.

I just exchanged my DS3 and I haven't tested the memory dividers on this particular board, but they seem to be buggy as well. Running at stock speeds and running the divider so the memory is at 800mhz will allow me to pass memtest but fail dual prime. I tried with 667 and 800 with no luck, and this memory is rated for 800. I have also tried a pair of Corsairs with the same result.

CrazyJohn

08-13-2006, 12:01 PM

As in many cases not all users need to have the same problems. Please read my little test concerning this again, I do not have any other Idea than the CAS Problem actually being a problem, at least for some. Now with F4e I can run this thing at 375FSB without touching any Voltages besides memory, running at 1:1. Now thats an improvement over not being able to overclock more than to 300FSB with every other Bios before. One could almost think my stability issues were solved the same time this little displaying bug dissapeared. Now THAT'S a coincidence...

strange,
i don't want to argue, but you are the first person who says it'a s bug in bios... we'll see when more ppl report what they gained by F4e
it is likely that i'm wrong ;)

ClockCatcher

08-13-2006, 01:37 PM

Hey, I read this on Newegg DS3 customer reviews:
Cons: I put the wrong front connector pin for the power button in the power connector spot on board. The one that says power on the board is actually the reset switch

Other Thoughts: I am guessing that some of these people who are rmaing all these boards are not checkng all connections and type of ram before doing do
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012

Strange...

ClockCatcher

08-13-2006, 01:41 PM

Hmm, you should put links to the Bios versions in the FAQ.

tys90

08-13-2006, 02:07 PM

Do NOT assume that the board is capable of 390 FSB. Most likely the limiting factor is the motherboard and not the memory. I have the same 6400 platinum sticks, and I can pass memtest at 400 FSB but I will fail dual prime in windows at the same speeds. I'm almost certain that some of the FSB walls (even those under 400) people have been hitting are caused by the motherboard and not the other components.

I just exchanged my DS3 and I haven't tested the memory dividers on this particular board, but they seem to be buggy as well. Running at stock speeds and running the divider so the memory is at 800mhz will allow me to pass memtest but fail dual prime. I tried with 667 and 800 with no luck, and this memory is rated for 800. I have also tried a pair of Corsairs with the same result.

I've come to the same conclusion about that same memory/MB combination, it's fine to atleast 800, probably even higher, but for the life of me I can't even get the MB to boot at 396+ but it is stable enough to boot and run anything for a while at 395 (haven't tried prime for a long period of time yet). I've tested this out with 6x, 7x, and 8x multipler and all hit the same wall, so it's not my CPU and I've ruled out the memory. I've e-mailed for a RMA exchange, they should give me one and then I'll ship it out. Hopefully mwave's RMA process is quick, I'm sick of waiting.

SlackerXL

08-13-2006, 02:14 PM

I've come to the same conclusion about that same memory/MB combination, it's fine to atleast 800, probably even higher, but for the life of me I can't even get the MB to boot at 396+ but it is stable enough to boot and run anything for a while at 395 (haven't tried prime for a long period of time yet). I've tested this out with 6x, 7x, and 8x multipler and all hit the same wall, so it's not my CPU and I've ruled out the memory. I've e-mailed for a RMA exchange, they should give me one and then I'll ship it out. Hopefully mwave's RMA process is quick, I'm sick of waiting.

what rev. is your current DS3?

tys90

08-13-2006, 02:16 PM

what rev. is your current DS3?

Rev: 1.0

SlackerXL

08-13-2006, 02:25 PM

Rev: 1.0
mine too (with similar symptoms as yours)

are there any newer revisions out there?

(can't wait to go back to work on Wednesday
to open every single ds3 to check'em out...)

fyleow

08-13-2006, 02:31 PM

mine too (with similar symptoms as yours)

are there any newer revisions out there?

(can't wait to go back to work on Wednesday
to open every single ds3 to check'em out...)

All 3 DS3s I've tried are Rev 1.0, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the only one out right now.

First one I tried was not dual prime stable over 300 FSB.
Second one seems ok at around 350, I haven't tried higher. It also did 450 for about 30 minutes before failing.
Third one will not even post at 450, but was dual prime stable at 350 FSB for 18 hours.

tys90

08-13-2006, 02:44 PM

All 3 DS3s I've tried are Rev 1.0, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the only one out right now.

First one I tried was not dual prime stable over 300 FSB.
Second one seems ok at around 350, I haven't tried higher. It also did 450 for about 30 minutes before failing.
Third one will not even post at 450, but was dual prime stable at 350 FSB for 18 hours.

Hmm...makes my board look good, I can probably do 24/7 stable at 380 if I had to guess. I was really hoping for 3.2 Ghz (400x8), but knowing that there are better DS3s out there, and my CPU and memory aren't holding it back, makes me want to return it. With my luck, I'll probably get a worse one. If I start spending a bunch on shipping it back a bunch of times then it kinda ruins the point of getting a price/performance board like the DS3.

celerity

08-13-2006, 04:25 PM

I got E6400 + DS4 at 3,00 GHz with F2 BIOS. Is there any know issues with DS4 temp sensors? In BIOS it shows my idle CPU temp is 28 C (my room temp is 22C) and System Temperature (this is the NB temp, right?) round 32 C.

I downloaded Core Temp Beta 0.9 and it shows diffrent

Then EasyTune shows even lower on CPU... this is not possible since its lower than my room temp.. but the system temp looks like the one in BIOS.

The highest one is the real temperature? I always thought BIOS had the most correct temperature.

fyleow

08-13-2006, 06:06 PM

fyleow

08-13-2006, 06:19 PM

Hmm...makes my board look good, I can probably do 24/7 stable at 380 if I had to guess. I was really hoping for 3.2 Ghz (400x8), but knowing that there are better DS3s out there, and my CPU and memory aren't holding it back, makes me want to return it. With my luck, I'll probably get a worse one. If I start spending a bunch on shipping it back a bunch of times then it kinda ruins the point of getting a price/performance board like the DS3.

I think 380 isn't bad at all, but I guess my expectations are low because of the string of bad luck I've had. Just make sure it's actually stable by priming overnight. I was overjoyed at my 450 FSB overclock thinking I had finally solved the problem until it failed 30 minutes later.

Are you running MCH, FSB, and PCI voltages at stock? It doesn't seem to make a difference for me, and according to the E6400 overclock thread most people are getting 400 FSB on the DS3 with everything stock...

If you don't mind running a test for me could you try setting the CPU to default FSB and changing the multiplier so your memory runs at 800? See if it will dual prime stable for about 1-2 hours. Mine just refuses to be stable under any memory multiplier other than 2, and I have this problem on multipler boards.

tys90

08-13-2006, 06:29 PM

I think 380 isn't bad at all, but I guess my expectations are low because of the string of bad luck I've had. Just make sure it's actually stable by priming overnight. I was overjoyed at my 450 FSB overclock thinking I had finally solved the problem until it failed 30 minutes later.

Are you running MCH, FSB, and PCI voltages at stock? It doesn't seem to make a difference for me, and according to the E6400 overclock thread most people are getting 400 FSB on the DS3 with everything stock...

If you don't mind running a test for me could you try setting the CPU to default FSB and changing the multiplier so your memory runs at 800? See if it will dual prime stable for about 1-2 hours. Mine just refuses to be stable under any memory multiplier other than 2, and I have this problem on multipler boards.

Only voltage that makes a difference is +.1 MCH, +.2 and +.3 do nothing more, nothing less. I keep FSB and PCI stock since they seem to do nothing as well. I'll do the prime for the memory in a bit here then do prime overnight for the 380x8 and if all goes well I'll probably just keep everything and call it good.

EDIT: Started memory test, I can only do an hour or so (early day tomarrow).

EDIT2: 1.5 HRs 0 errors, I put everything to stock (+.3 vdimm for my OCZs), disabled throttling,etc, changed mem to 3x making it 800 and then ran the test.

kenofstephen

08-13-2006, 08:14 PM

can anyone run over DDR2 950 on DS3? please post your results if it's ok, thanks!

fyleow

08-13-2006, 08:38 PM

Only voltage that makes a difference is +.1 MCH, +.2 and +.3 do nothing more, nothing less. I keep FSB and PCI stock since they seem to do nothing as well. I'll do the prime for the memory in a bit here then do prime overnight for the 380x8 and if all goes well I'll probably just keep everything and call it good.

EDIT: Started memory test, I can only do an hour or so (early day tomarrow).

EDIT2: 1.5 HRs 0 errors, I put everything to stock (+.3 vdimm for my OCZs), disabled throttling,etc, changed mem to 3x making it 800 and then ran the test.

Thanks. Guess it's just me then :confused:

I just failed at 380 FSB after 40 minutes, gonna try +0.1 MCH, if not then it looks like I'm stuck at 370 or maybe lower :mad:

tys90

08-13-2006, 09:07 PM

So...I just put my settings back what I had for 380 and the board won't post, cleared cmos, now it beeps at me like the ram is the problem, so I changed it out with my el cheapo stick that I used to boot before and it still does the long beep at me. wtf?

I'll try the ram out in a different system tomarrow, but I think my MB just decided to :banana::banana::banana::banana: out on me. I can't get the thing to stop doing the long beep.

EDIT: Tried the ram out in another system, works fine. I guess it's RMA time :(

Dominus

08-14-2006, 03:09 AM

doom_st

08-14-2006, 03:44 AM

Hmm, not impossible - My DS3 turns on oddly, it powers on for less than a second, powers off and then turns on properly - Looks like time to mess around with the connectors then.

That is normal for these boards.

kiwi

08-14-2006, 05:04 AM

can anyone run over DDR2 950 on DS3? please post your results if it's ok, thanks!

I can run Corsair UL up to 490 1:1 4-4-3 fine but it has serious problems running above 510-520 any timings and 2.5 memory divider

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1784/32m3400ma8.jpg

ClockCatcher

08-14-2006, 05:07 AM

Off-topic
kiwi: Why do you use such huge font?

kiwi

08-14-2006, 06:39 AM

Can anyone show me retail 4MB Conroe that is easily bootable and benchable at least 9x450 on any 965 board and any cooling? ES doesn't count since I can't easily get them anymore

ClockCatcher:
Because it greatly reduces eye stress and fatigue :)

BigSteve

08-14-2006, 07:09 AM

DQ6 FAQ here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=165099

delas52

08-14-2006, 07:34 AM

God, I think my motherboard might be limited at 330FSB. It can boot up at up to 350, but only stable at 330. I tried everything I could think of. I'll do some more testing today.

shawn1998

08-14-2006, 09:10 AM

I have a quick question related to the DS3 and sata drives. I have 2 150gig Raptors (not in raid, just two individual drives) and a Plextor 755SA (sata drive). I have all three connected to the Intel sata ports and have disabled the Gigabyte sata controller. What mode should I have the ports set to? Should it be set to AHCI?

Shawn

Ribbon

08-14-2006, 10:58 AM

Can anyone show me retail 4MB Conroe that is easily bootable and benchable at least 9x450 on any 965 board and any cooling? ES doesn't count since I can't easily get them anymore
Same - my DS3/E6600 is honestly disappointing T_T

JNav89GT

08-14-2006, 11:03 AM

DS3 6300 question.
Have combo rock solid stable at 440fsb=3080mhz
trying 450 and system boots fine, but locks within one minute on orthos/dual SP2004. Raising Vcore mch etc... doesn't help. Diff ram doesn't seem to help. Cpu seems capable of higher.

This is pretty much untweaked board/bios, just changed a few settings like ram to 533 and manually set cas/trcd/trp.tras etc... No other items disabled
if you can help me get higher I will much appreciate advice.

temps are fine btw
thx

misteroadster

08-14-2006, 04:15 PM

Warning :

DS3 Hates Fortron Powersupply , no boot.

kiwi

08-14-2006, 05:05 PM

Specific model?

My Epsilon 700 works just fine :)

I haven't tested my 2nd fsp400 though

Pjoeloe

08-14-2006, 05:21 PM

I join the 500 club too~:woot:
What`s your max mhz of your cpu kenofstephen ? :) Does anybody does above 4000mhz on air with the ds3 ?

goal = 9 x 445 . we`ll see :p:

EDIT: Final F4 bios is warm out of the fabric : http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2314&ProductName=GA-965P-DS3

Pjoeloe

08-14-2006, 06:10 PM

Same - my DS3/E6600 is honestly disappointing T_T
from splmann :
CPU: E6600 Retail
Cooling: Single Stage
Voltage: 1.575
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 F3e Bios
RAM: Mushkin Redline DDR2-1000
Graka: 7900GTX @700/1830

http://s2.bilder-hosting.de/img/PR4H6.jpg
over 4000 mhz is possible with a e6600 and ds3 retail although this man used harcore cooling ;)

Lt_JWS

08-14-2006, 07:50 PM

Im having some crazy issues, im using a wireless mouse and keyboard, with SP2 connectors, they work fine for about 10-20minutes of gaming then the keyboard will stop responding, sometimes it wont work on bootup so i have to restart it multiple time to get it working, im using the F4e bios right now... any thoughts on this problem? driving me crazy :(

Ribbon

08-14-2006, 08:42 PM

from splmann :
CPU: E6600 Retail
Cooling: Single Stage
Voltage: 1.575
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 F3e Bios
RAM: Mushkin Redline DDR2-1000
Graka: 7900GTX @700/1830

over 4000 mhz is possible with a e6600 and ds3 retail although this man used harcore cooling ;)
Nice! I guess my RAM is my limiting factor, then: Corsair XMS2 PC6400 DDR800 5-5-5-12 :|

Fred_Pohl

08-14-2006, 09:00 PM

Warning :

DS3 Hates Fortron Powersupply , no boot.

Hmmm... mine had no problems with an old FSP 530W with only 18A on the single 12V rail.

TheMeatFrog

08-14-2006, 09:51 PM

Well I need some help. I've hit a massive wall at 390FSB with my 6400. Any input is welcome...

It seems to be a FSB wall and not a chip wall because dropping the multi to 7x doesn't help at all.

System Specs. F4 Official Bios
E6400
BBA X1900XT
2x1GB Team 3-4-4 667
OCZ 600w
PS2 Keyboard
USB MX510 Mouse (I've tried unplugging it and it didn't help)
Let me know if you need more info.

Bios Screens
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8607/img2277sc2.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2277sc2.jpg)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1852/img2278yt4.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2278yt4.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1847/img2281sf6.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2281sf6.jpg)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3103/img2282yf4.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2282yf4.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8061/img2285qa7.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2285qa7.jpg)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1523/img2286lc4.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2286lc4.jpg)

tys90

08-14-2006, 10:57 PM

TheMeatFrog

08-15-2006, 05:07 AM

I hit a brick wall at 395 that I eventually figured out it was the board. Then for some reason, it just wouldn't boot with any available ram I had, so it's going back to RMA. It has some other weird problems with my raptor and floppy that I hope were specific to that one board.

I think some boards just aren't very good and hit walls before you even get close to hitting walls with other parts.
Just my luck...

Well I've got a 6300 on the way and if I get the same results then I guess off to RMA it goes. :slapass:

Shonky

08-15-2006, 05:44 AM

For those of you with a wall at 380-390Mhz, I got past that wall by fitting a 40mm fan to the northbridge heatsink. The board now does 450mhz without a problem. Might be an alternative to RMA. :)

splmann

08-15-2006, 07:00 AM

@TheMeatFrog

Tray to go with PCIExpress Frequency to 110Mhz !!

Regards

SPLMANN

TheMeatFrog

08-15-2006, 07:18 AM

Tried the fan and the 110MHz and still no luck. :(

CrazyJohn

08-15-2006, 07:48 AM

For those of you with a wall at 380-390Mhz, I got past that wall by fitting a 40mm fan to the northbridge heatsink. The board now does 450mhz without a problem. Might be an alternative to RMA. :)
i did put that in my faq

edit: since i'm not a native english speaker so tell me plz sb what does RMA stand for? :D Returning...? I think I know what it should mean.;)

edit2: thx Pyr0 !

Pyr0

08-15-2006, 07:54 AM

i did put that in my faq

edit: since i'm not a native english speaker so tell me plz sb what does RMA stand for? :D Returning...? I think I know what it should mean.;)

RMA = Return Material Authorization

delas52

08-15-2006, 09:47 AM

RMA = Return Material Authorization

No, it's actually Return Merchandise Authorization.

fyleow

08-15-2006, 10:24 AM

Try lowering DIMM voltages to 0.2, I had mine on 0.3 and it wouldn't go past 350. I was prime stable for 10 hours at 400, and I'm testing 425 right now.

The_Hardstylez

08-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Hi guys,

I have here 2 temprature's program's. They say all three a different temprature.. Witch one i must believe ?

Easytune 5
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5084/easytunezr7.jpg

CoreTemp
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2275/coretempbq8.jpg

I think easytune 5 read it directly out of the bios. But coretemp via SMbus ?

gravelayer

08-15-2006, 11:54 AM

colly

08-15-2006, 01:57 PM

can i just ask if anyone has tried to use norton ghost with this board and successfully backed up and loaded the image with this board or any other program simlar
thanks anyone

Mykou

08-15-2006, 02:03 PM

can i just ask if anyone has tried to use norton ghost with this board and successfully backed up and loaded the image with this board or any other program simlar
thanks anyone

I couldn't use no more Ghost with my asus so you can try Acronis true image

Awesome too and fast , don't regret ghost ;)

colly

08-15-2006, 02:09 PM

have you loaded the image back on with Archonis and its worked ?

igor0203

08-15-2006, 03:33 PM

Does TT Extreme Spirit fits on NB? Cuz my NB stock cooler is damn hot. I can't have finger on it for more than 2sec. :S

dogsx2

08-15-2006, 03:40 PM

Does TT Extreme Spirit fits on NB? Cuz my NB stock cooler is damn hot. I can't have finger on it for more than 2sec. :S

Yep, I've got one and had it on the NB.

delas52

08-15-2006, 03:50 PM

Hi guys,

I have here 2 temprature's program's. They say all three a different temprature.. Witch one i must believe ?

I think easytune 5 read it directly out of the bios. But coretemp via SMbus ?

Core Temp is the most accurate software for reading the temperature. BIOS and programs taht read the temp thru the bios are meh....

On Core Temp: The temperature readings are very accurate as the data is collected from a Digital Thermal Sensor (or DTS) which is located in each individual processing core, near the hottest part.

Pjoeloe

08-15-2006, 03:58 PM

have you loaded the image back on with Archonis and its worked ?
yes, with true image it worked flawles here booting :cool:

chrisf6969

08-15-2006, 04:36 PM

EDIT: Final F4 bios is warm out of the fabric : http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2314&ProductName=GA-965P-DS3

Whats the difference between that BIOS & F4E ?

Has anyone compared them, yet?

RangerXLT8

08-15-2006, 04:55 PM

@ themeatfrog: What bios allows you to set the memory timings?

I have tired F4C, F4E and the F4 bios on Gigabytes website and all are a no go....

chrisf6969

08-15-2006, 05:38 PM

@ themeatfrog: What bios allows you to set the memory timings?

I have tired F4C, F4E and the F4 bios on Gigabytes website and all are a no go....

-noob alert- J/K!! :)

hit CTRL+F1 while at the main BIOS screen
then when you go in to the MIT section you will see the option to manually set DRAM timings.

darkandlong

08-15-2006, 06:27 PM

Just to let everyone know... I just quickly put my DS3 BIOS F2 rev 1.0 together with some Team D9 (the 3-3-3-8 stuff) and a Celeron D 326 - it posted without issues.

I wish Qflash recognized my USB floppy though :( had to dig up an old internal one. Flashed to F4.

Those stock Intel coolers are pretty hard to mount... Had to apply quite a bit of force for the last pin.

kenofstephen

08-15-2006, 07:00 PM

Nice! I guess my RAM is my limiting factor, then: Corsair XMS2 PC6400 DDR800 5-5-5-12 :|

it is one of the "suckest" memories available on market.:fact:

I got one pair before and sold within 24hrs

stevey67

08-15-2006, 07:06 PM

ken, does the Corsair not o/c very well? I am supposed to be getting some of this, but it's backordered. What would you recomend instead of this? I would like to buy from a CAN online dealer.

Thanks

kenofstephen

08-15-2006, 07:08 PM

ken, does the Corsair not o/c very well? I am supposed to be getting some of this, but it's backordered. What would you recomend instead of this? I would like to buy from a CAN online dealer.

Thanks

seems that you own a pair of it, so you should know the performance right?

in my opinion, no specific brand is dominating except "Micron D9":banana:

RangerXLT8

08-15-2006, 07:24 PM

-noob alert- J/K!! :)

hit CTRL+F1 while at the main BIOS screen
then when you go in to the MIT section you will see the option to manually set DRAM timings.

Hardly a noob but thanks for the pointer.:D

darkandlong

08-15-2006, 07:28 PM

Hey, does anyone know which SATAII chip performs better? The Intel or the Gigabyte?

[XC] serlv

08-15-2006, 07:36 PM

Hmmm... mine had no problems with an old FSP 530W with only 18A on the single 12V rail.

Same here. Using a Fortron 400...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Is anybody using a Swiftech MCX159-CU NB cooler with this board?

RangerXLT8

08-15-2006, 07:41 PM

Hey, does anyone know which SATAII chip performs better? The Intel or the Gigabyte?

The DS3 uses A OEM Jmicron SATAII controller for RAID. Intel ICH8 on the DS supports no RAID functions....

Pjoeloe

08-15-2006, 07:59 PM

Ok, I didn`t read this anywhere, but the south bridge is also getting warm ALOT, so people, cool this one also proper :cool: .

BottomsUp

08-15-2006, 08:38 PM

Fred_Pohl

08-15-2006, 09:20 PM

I just attached a 50mm fan to my DS3 NB with super glue. I couldn't find any hot glue or screws to fit so do you think this will be ok? It gets stupid burning my finger hot and i don't know how super glue will react to the heat. I did it anyway though. lol

I've been attaching heatsinks using super glue for many years and very few have ever come loose. It's not the best choice but it does the job in a pinch. I also super-glued a 50mm fan on my DS3's NB HS and plan to put a 40mm on the SB HS or maybe just a better HS. The fan lowered my NB temp by about 7C.

Ribbon

08-15-2006, 09:36 PM

So do you guys think my RAM is definitely the limiting factor in my system (specs should be in sig)? I see some E6300's OC'ing higher than me :|

korruptedone

08-15-2006, 10:04 PM

So do you guys think my RAM is definitely the limiting factor in my system (specs should be in sig)? I see some E6300's OC'ing higher than me :|

Just test your memory. Lower the multi and see how high it can go.

I have the same RAM but I haven't had the need to o/c it just yet, since I can do 400x8 with no issues and thats a 1 ghz o/c on my E6400. I'll see how high I can get it (not very high I'm guessing since some ppl are dissing it, but it fit my budget so meh) and report back. However, what's 400 FSB on an E6600, like 3.6 gig? I don't think it'd be your ram, since at 400x9 you'd be running your RAM at stock speed. Correct me if I'm wrong here though, as I'm just coming back to Intel since the days of RDRAM.

Ribbon

08-15-2006, 11:20 PM

Just test your memory. Lower the multi and see how high it can go.

I have the same RAM but I haven't had the need to o/c it just yet, since I can do 400x8 with no issues and thats a 1 ghz o/c on my E6400. I'll see how high I can get it (not very high I'm guessing since some ppl are dissing it, but it fit my budget so meh) and report back. However, what's 400 FSB on an E6600, like 3.6 gig? I don't think it'd be your ram, since at 400x9 you'd be running your RAM at stock speed. Correct me if I'm wrong here though, as I'm just coming back to Intel since the days of RDRAM.

Exactly, I thought I'd be able to hit 400FSB easily but right now I'm sitting at 356x9 and it's not even dual prime stable :[

Edit: I can't even post @ 400x8!! I don't know what the deal is...

korruptedone

08-15-2006, 11:39 PM

Exactly, I thought I'd be able to hit 400FSB easily but right now I'm sitting at 356x9 and it's not even dual prime stable :[

Edit: I can't even post @ 400x8!! I don't know what the deal is...

Sounds like a few possibilities:

Your board doesn't like the 9x multi.

Your board hits the FSB wall.

You have bad RAM that can't do it's rated spec.

What kinda Power Supply? Did you disable all of the things suggested on page 1? (assuming you have, but checking for clarity's sake) What voltage settings you have on RAM and Vmch? Also, the dividers are really flaky. I just stick with 1:1 since half of them crap out under any sort of adjustments.

Notyfus

08-16-2006, 01:59 AM

Hello,
When TM2 is disabled in the bios, there shouldn't be throttle any more?
With my celeron, I've always throttle even if I've disabled it.
Am I alone? :D

darkandlong

08-16-2006, 02:57 AM

The DS3 uses A OEM Jmicron SATAII controller for RAID. Intel ICH8 on the DS supports no RAID functions....

Aside from RAID, which benches better? Any idea? I don't use RAID...

NoSinder

08-16-2006, 03:20 AM

Ok, quick question. I'm running my E6400 at 3.2ghz at 1.344 CPU vCore 1:1 with my ram. Everything runs fine and I can run SuperPi and run games and benchmarks from SiSoftSandra and Everest, but when I run SP2004 ORTHOS, it has an error in the first second. I ran Small FFTs.

I get this message...

Using CPU #1
Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
Press Stop to end this test.
Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.4999859929, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
Torture Test ran 0 minutes 2 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
Execution halted.

Any ideas?

Dominus

08-16-2006, 04:20 AM

This is a noob question;
Anyone know of a tutorial to updating the bios to F4 Official? Is it possible to use the methods in the manual? (Q Flash and @bios)

darkandlong

08-16-2006, 06:25 AM

This is a noob question;
Anyone know of a tutorial to updating the bios to F4 Official? Is it possible to use the methods in the manual? (Q Flash and @bios)

-Hook up a floppy drive to your DS3
-Copy the official BIOS file to a floppy
-Insert floppy
-Boot PC
-Hit "Del" to enter BIOS
-Hit "F8" to enter Qflash.
-Select "Flash from floppy"
-Follow onscreen prompts to flash.
-Reboot when complete
-Enter BIOS, load fail-safe
-Reset CMOS.

Done.