When does this thing update?

[Chong345]

When does it update?
I did 32 wu's yesterday and don't see them on our stats. Also I have no control over any options for Folding Program. Did I download the wrong version? Please help.

[MrBill]

You probably did 32 frames, not work units. If you are using the GUI version, it will say something like 32/100. Indicating you have completed 32 out of 100 frames. If you are using the text version, it will say finished a frame (1), finished a frame (2), etc..., until the Work Unit is complete.

Most work units are 100 frames, but there are some 50 frame and 10 frame work units. I have heard of 20 frame and 200 frame work units, but have yet to see one.

You have to complete a Work Unit and wait for Stanford to update (which is hourly) before you will show up on the stats page. :)

What options are you wanting to change?

[Chong345]

nah i was just curious

[LutaWicasa]

Hey, Idon't even worry about updates. Just knowing that it may someday make a difference is what it's about. Stats and competition are just an enjoyable little sideline :)

[Hardass]

Originally posted by LutaWicasa
Hey, Idon't even worry about updates. Just knowing that it may someday make a difference is what it's about. Stats and competition are just an enjoyable little sideline :)

Ah yes competition. * Looks behind him for JBELL, no where in sight.*:D

[Chong345]

well I'm not worried about update but I thought the info wasn't getting to them.

[Chong345]

also how long does it take you guys to finish a WU normally and at what speed are your cpu's.

[JBELL]

each protein is different....


protein A's are the worst!

[stompah]

Originally posted by JBELL
each protein is different....


protein A's are the worst! Have you had a 'GAAA_tetraloop' yet? It seems VERY slow too.

[Chong345]

I just did an A now I'm doing the gaga tetraloop. Be genereal if you have to on the time frame. I just wanna know if mine is running really slow or what.

[LutaWicasa]

How long a protein takes is dependant on many variables. My TBird 1@1.5 will chew up a protein A in about 1/3 less time than my P4 1.8@2.4

On average, the Tbird will do your basic protein A in about 11 hrs. I can't give you specific frame times as I no longer run a single instance of F@H on any given rig. I always run at least 2, and when I'll be out of town for a few days I'll load up 4.

[MrBill]

Here are some times for comparison using version 2.19. This is from 3/21/02. Version 3.0 is faster, but I have not recorded any frame times with it yet.

Client: 1
AMD XP1800+ @1.587ghz, 512mb Crucial DDR PC2100, XP Home Edition

ProteinAnat = 9.37m avg. per frame

Client: 2
AMD 1.2 @ 1.2ghz, 768mb Crucial PC133, Win98SE

ProteinAnat = 12.55m avg. per frame

Client: Folding_1
P2-450mhz, 32mb HP ram, 98Lite

ProteinA = 53.15m avg. per frame

[Chong345]

mine seems like it would take longer than a day to do one wu. I have SETI running too. I only have one rig so it makes it really hard to do.

[MrBill]

Originally posted by Chong345
mine seems like it would take longer than a day to do one wu. I have SETI running too. I only have one rig so it makes it really hard to do. Running SETI and F@H on one rig that probably is used for your everyday stuff, you will probably take more than a day to complete a WU. Every little bit helps though, and I would encourage you to continue on. :)

[MrBill]

Originally posted by stompah
Have you had a 'GAAA_tetraloop' yet? It seems VERY slow too. 4.11 avg per frame on my xp1700@1.46 stock speed. Less than half what a ProteinA takes. :)

How long is your's taking for this WU and with what speed proc?

[stompah]

Originally posted by MrBill
4.11 avg per frame on my xp1700@1.46 stock speed. Less than half what a ProteinA takes. :)

How long is your's taking for this WU and with what speed proc? Like I said it SEEMED very slow... there is the possibility that while was at work it had finished and picked another GAAA_tetraflop. Or that I was using my comp more than usual during that time.... I have no monitoring software soI cannot say exactly when I got it and when I finished it.

1800+ @ a mild 1610MHz. 384MB DDR RAM @ 140MHz

[stompah]

Ok I just got another GAAA_tetraflop. This time the machine is clocked at 1690MHz

[MrBill]

I've got a GAAA_Tetraloop now on my xp1800@1.58. 3.91 avg per frame. Yours should be a bit faster @1.69.

I've got 3 xp1800's running F@H. 1 @ 1.53(stock), 1 @ 1.58, and 1 @ 1.64. Every little "extra" mhz adds up. :)

[stompah]

well as of now I am 86/100 on this one.

[stompah]

Ok the GAAA_tetraflop finished and now its on its second in a row GAAA_tetraflop, just went 5/100 on teh second one.

so it takes almost 10 hours @ 1690MHz

[MrBill]

10 hours is definitely long for 1690mhz on this protein. I have this protein on 4 different machines and all 4 are taking around 6 hrs.

Unless you are running some other CPU intensive programs, I don't know why yours is taking so long with this protein. It would be interesting to see your frame times for each frame to see what's going on.

Can you look at your FAHlog.txt file or email it to me so I can look at it? I would really like to see what's causing your's to take so long. (email: tntitans@comcast.net)

Here's a snapshot of my foldmonitor so you can see I'm not bs'ing you. This is an xp1800@1640mhz.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tntitans/GAAA_Tetraloop.jpg

[stompah]

Ok it was actually closer to 9 hours than ten. This is my main rig using 2k I keep deleting files to keep me from fully filling my hard drive. I do not have any other program that would be eating up cpu cycles... I have checked for trojans a few days ago and nothing came up.

email sent...

[MrBill]

Thanks Stompah. Reply email sent. 2 actually, since I did not notice something until after sending the first. :)

[stompah]

Actually this computer is ready for retirement so I am not too worried about the speeds.

I dont mind the text only version on my 1.2 Athlon. So when I build the new system I will DL the text version. But I do need to find a folding monitor. Any suggestions?

Thanx for your help MrBill.

[MrBill]

You're welcome Stompah.

I LOVE FoldMonitor. It is very helpful if you have multiple systems running F@H and you want to keep an eye on what's happening without having to physically look at each computer.

It is not necessary....just a useful tool if ya prefer to use it.

Fold Monitor 5.1.4 can be found here (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foldmonitor/files/foldmonitor-5.1.4-exe.zip)

Some people like Electron Microscope. I have never used it.

Electron Microscope can be found here (http://home.attbi.com/~wxdude1/emsite/download.html)

[Chong345]

so is the text version much faster? to monitor it do I need the thingy's in the previous post above this one

[MrBill]

I can't say if the text console is faster than the GUI in version 3.

But....my frame times on 2.19 went from 15 min avg to 12 min avg on 1.2ghz Tbird with a proteinA. That was a couple months ago. I personally will not go back to the GUI.

One thing some people seem not to like about the text console, is that when minimized it sits in the task bar. I "think" there are programs to hide it or put it in the sys tray, but it doesn't bother me, so I have not messed with it.

If you are only running it on 1 PC or don't mind physically checking each PC you are running F@H on, then no, you don't need a monitor program. It just makes it easier to monitor multiple PCs. I have 9 PC's running F@H and they are in 3 different rooms, so it makes it easier for me to see what's going on because I can check them all from my main PC.

Having said that...even on a single PC, it's easy to see what Protein you are working on and what the avg frame time and estimated time of completion is. So, it does have it's advantages, but not necessary.

I hope some of that rambling makes sense to you. :)

Bill

[Chong345]

how do you get all the averages etc? I don't have that info available etc.

[MrBill]

I get them from Fold Monitor.

You can also look at your FAHlog.txt file and calculate the time between each frame. That is one of the things I did with stompah's log file. I subtracted the start time from the finish time and divided by 100 since it was a 100 frame WU. That will give you an average per frame time.

Fold Monitor is the easy way though and you can check multiple machines quickly. :D

[Chong345]

damn this protein A. This is taking forever. Damnit right when I thought I would be moving along.

[Hardass]

MrBill why don,t you post the steps for installing folding monitor. That way it,s here. I found it a little tricky. Your instructions work good.

[Chong345]

yeah, I don't understand how the text version works. I used it but it looked like it wasn't doing anything so I turned it off.

[Hardass]

Patience grasshopper!

[Chong345]

LOL, so should I have just let it run? I didn't know how to change any configs with it. Keep in mind this is before you helped me config the gui version. Also keep in mind seti is there in the background as well.

[Chong345]

so how do I use that text?

[Hardass]

If I were you I would look at which one has more frames complete and shutdown the other. I am not sure the console can be adjusted.

[MrBill]

When installing the 3.0 Console version, there is a prompt "Change Advanced Options". If you answer yes to this prompt, you will be able to set some things.

Here are the advanced option settings:

Core Priority (idle/low) - You will want to set this to LOW if running SETI on the same machine. SETI "does not play well with others", so I have heard.

CPU Usage Requested (5-100) - I set mine to 100, but you can set this to whatever amount you want to use.

Machine ID (1-4) - This will default to 1 and should only be changed if running more than one instance of the F@H program on a single computer.

The -config switch does not seem to work with version 3.0. I tried it today and did not receive config prompts. However, if you are careful, you can manually edit the client.cfg file

I will have to do some research on why the -config switch is not working....

//edit: I used the -config switch today (6/29/02) and it works. I am using version 3.01.


I will try to list install information for the Folding Monitor when I get home tonight.

[Hardass]

Thanks MrBill.

[JAWS]

Does the completed time look to long for a protein A? I think I'm going to try the text version. :smileysex

[MrBill]

That depends on what speed processor you are using and what else is running.

It takes about 3 days to do a ProteinA on my 450mhz system. :banana: