ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

[OldCoot]

Cheers! First post and great forum.

Just a heads up for anyone wanting to "Ghost" their RAID 0 system using Norton Ghost.

On all the systems in my home I've always had the operating system on a drive about 8 GB. and made a "Ghost" image of it.

I have a P5W DH Deluxe and wanted to try RAID 0 (for performance) and ghosting it. I have two 320 GB Western Digital SATA drives I put on the EZ Raid connectors. Norton Ghost 9 had no problem making an image file, or restoring it.

The more I read on here, I realized EZ Raid wasn't the optimum way to go for performance. I connected the drives to the SATA 1 & 3 connectors, started over, formated and re-installed XP and some other goodies.
I created a ghost image of the operating system drive, no problem.
When I tried to restore, Norton couldn't see the D: drive where the image was, or any drives for that matter. Using Norton's Recovery Disk to boot with, and hitting the F6 key to load drivers didn't help. It appeared to load them, but didn't use them.
Checking Symantec's website, Ghost doesn't support any version of Raid unless it can access it through DOS, and even then it's iffy. My drives are formated as NTFS, so DOS is out of the question.
So having any Raid (other than the EZ Raid) on an NTFS partition isn't going to fly with Norton.
In conclusion, I did manage to make an image file of my C: drive and successfully restore it using Acronis True Image 9. (Raid 0 on SATA connectors 1 & 3)
I hope this saves someone all the time and effort I spent screwing around trying to get Norton to work in this configuration.

[SKiLL3D]

Cheers! First post and great forum.

Just a heads up for anyone wanting to "Ghost" their RAID 0 system using Norton Ghost.

On all the systems in my home I've always had the operating system on a drive about 8 GB. and made a "Ghost" image of it.

I have a P5W DH Deluxe and wanted to try RAID 0 (for performance) and ghosting it. I have two 320 GB Western Digital SATA drives I put on the EZ Raid connectors. Norton Ghost 9 had no problem making an image file, or restoring it.

The more I read on here, I realized EZ Raid wasn't the optimum way to go for performance. I connected the drives to the SATA 1 & 3 connectors, started over, formated and re-installed XP and some other goodies.
I created a ghost image of the operating system drive, no problem.
When I tried to restore, Norton couldn't see the D: drive where the image was, or any drives for that matter. Using Norton's Recovery Disk to boot with, and hitting the F6 key to load drivers didn't help. It appeared to load them, but didn't use them.
Checking Symantec's website, Ghost doesn't support any version of Raid unless it can access it through DOS, and even then it's iffy. My drives are formated as NTFS, so DOS is out of the question.
So having any Raid (other than the EZ Raid) on an NTFS partition isn't going to fly with Norton.
In conclusion, I did manage to make an image file of my C: drive and successfully restore it using Acronis True Image 9. (Raid 0 on SATA connectors 1 & 3)
I hope this saves someone all the time and effort I spent screwing around trying to get Norton to work in this configuration.
In the Manual from Asus its written: use Port1 for optical drives! Try 3+4 and maybe that will solve it :D

iLL

[OldGuy]

Thanks for that info OldCoot...been trying to decide between Norton or Acronis using a similar config (2 drives RAID 0 and another drive for image).

[tjelaw]

Yes - the other Programs just dont read the actual Multi. They identify the CPU and assume that the defaultMulti is runnin.

iLL

sounds logical, but erm... its not ready the multi wrong, its reading the FSB wrong 444x9 and not 400x10 instead of 400x9 at which it is set.


Anyone but me that is stuck with 380fsb with the 1503 bios but can go to 405 with 1305 bios?

Edit: Yay the 2000th post in this thread!

I never tried 1305, but I might now. Are u talking about (orthos)stable FSB's or just bootup? And what multi are u using?

[Sparx]

Everything is alright!

G.Skill set those SPDsettings for the N00bs that have bad Boards just to secure they work with 1,8V on EVERY ddr2capable Board on the Planet.

In fact u should know how to handle HighendRAM if u buy it :slap:

Go to the damn Chipset Settings and set them like u want them. Just keep in mind that u have to leave the Setting BY SPD if u want to go beyond 360-370FSB.

Another Possibility: go get THAIPHOON BURNER 3 (http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=258763) and reprogram your SPD to your needs, so that u can leave the timingSetting to BY SPD and have high FSB370+

PHU1 + PHU1 = PHU2 so thats alright too

Thats the Reason i keep waiting for another good BIOS to solve 2 Problems on this Board:
a) C1E/EIST-independent VcoreSetting(like Abit AW9D!)
b) HighFSB without having to set the timings BY SPD(more Subtimings would be nice, too)

I dont know how long i'll be waiting for this BIOS, but i will not wait until 2008. The AW9D-Max is a very competitive Board to this P5WDH and the most Feature(remote+wlan) are not really needed...

iLL
I don't have this problem with G.skill. I am running 400x9 and I have the RAM manually set 5 5 5 15 1:1.

I don't understand the problem. I am using 1503 BIOS.
sparx

[SKiLL3D]

I don't have this problem with G.skill. I am running 400x9 and I have the RAM manually set 5 5 5 15 1:1.

I don't understand the problem. I am using 1503 BIOS.
sparx
??? u have 6400-CL4-4-4-12 RAMs running on 5-5-5-15? So what? Try them on 4-4-4-12 and when they are really HZs(D9 or Elpidas) u won't get the Board to boot. Its a problem many people in many threads about this Board have.

iLL

[pee4]

Cheers! First post and great forum.

Just a heads up for anyone wanting to "Ghost" their RAID 0 system using Norton Ghost.

On all the systems in my home I've always had the operating system on a drive about 8 GB. and made a "Ghost" image of it.

I have a P5W DH Deluxe and wanted to try RAID 0 (for performance) and ghosting it. I have two 320 GB Western Digital SATA drives I put on the EZ Raid connectors. Norton Ghost 9 had no problem making an image file, or restoring it.

The more I read on here, I realized EZ Raid wasn't the optimum way to go for performance. I connected the drives to the SATA 1 & 3 connectors, started over, formated and re-installed XP and some other goodies.
I created a ghost image of the operating system drive, no problem.
When I tried to restore, Norton couldn't see the D: drive where the image was, or any drives for that matter. Using Norton's Recovery Disk to boot with, and hitting the F6 key to load drivers didn't help. It appeared to load them, but didn't use them.
Checking Symantec's website, Ghost doesn't support any version of Raid unless it can access it through DOS, and even then it's iffy. My drives are formated as NTFS, so DOS is out of the question.
So having any Raid (other than the EZ Raid) on an NTFS partition isn't going to fly with Norton.
In conclusion, I did manage to make an image file of my C: drive and successfully restore it using Acronis True Image 9. (Raid 0 on SATA connectors 1 & 3)
I hope this saves someone all the time and effort I spent screwing around trying to get Norton to work in this configuration.

Ghost 8 can backup to / restore image files from NTFS partitions

I use Ghost 8 after booting with a DOS boot disk to backup and restore a RAID 0 on the Intel RAID controller with no issues.

[Getttosmurf]

Had the same problem with my p5w 64 ws pro , nothing helpd spent 20h + to get it to post but nothing worked so sent it back and got a p5w dh and it posted on first atempt. Only thing i noticed on the ws pro was that 1 pin didnt look like the othera at the bottom of the socket , not bent but looked odd.

Had my DH for a couple of days now and it's so picky with settings im going crazy , vant run my ram anywhere close to rated 1000Mhz and nothing over 375 fsb is stable with any voltage 370 is rock stable at 1.4 (bios) 1.36 (win) and had a ton of problems trying to run 5 sata drives on it. cant run sata drives in ahci (real sata) at all = ( returning this pos board tomorrow ! og forgott somtimes onboard lan stops working for no reason with latest drivers and fresh xp install did not help. Installed a pci card and it seemd to fix the issue but now it randomly stops working = (


Hi guys, i've already posted this in the "making ur p5w ready guide"-thread, but I'll just post it here again just to be sure.

***
I remounted my NB heatsink with AS5 and now my mobo doenst want to power on. The green LED is lit, but it doenst respond in any way to the power switch. No fans spinning, no beeps, literally nothing. Anyone got some suggestions?

I tried:
- The mobo with only the cpu, mem installed.
- Tried inside my casing and also outside my casing(on a cardboard, so the mobo isnt short-circuited by the case)
- Checked both ATX & 4pin power connector.
- Checked the power button of my case, tried with the reset button and also manually connecting the power on pins.

:( cud use some tips and help

[Sparx]

??? u have 6400-CL4-4-4-12 RAMs running on 5-5-5-15? So what? Try them on 4-4-4-12 and when they are really HZs(D9 or Elpidas) u won't get the Board to boot. Its a problem many people in many threads about this Board have.

iLL
OK so I have done what you said I cannot do anything else?
I will continue to run 5-5-5-15-5 however because it is sooooooooooo stable this way.
:toast:


Sorry for the crappy image quality. :rolleyes:
Maybe these other people have issues with inferior components?

My v core is at 1.4125 CPUz is wrong on that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/sparx21/screen44412400x9.jpg

sparx

[The Nemesis]

People say this can be done with this board too. Ram is G. SKill HZ 06060610211XX
http://img.techpowerup.org/061108/9 X 400 FSB Benchmark 4-5323.jpg

[Sparx]

:D Nem
How do you set the camera to get such clear images?
sparx

[The Nemesis]

SparX

Don't use a camera. Press the print screen button on your keyboard, open paint or whatever photo editor & paste.

[Sparx]

OK Nem I run the Super Pi 1M too... :)

Sparx
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/sparx21/bench400x9.jpg

[Sparx]

SparX

Don't use a camera. Press the print screen button on your keyboard, open paint or whatever photo editor & paste.
Yeah I have done that but you only get the active window right?
Then you have to caputer all 4 and paste them on one Paint file?
thanks bud
sparx

[SKiLL3D]

i still dont get it - uhave stable 4-4-4-12 runnin and u still wanna go back to 5-5-5-15?:confused:

i hope u didnt use SetFSB or MemSet :P

iLL

[Sparx]

i still dont get it - uhave stable 4-4-4-12 runnin and u still wanna go back to 5-5-5-15?:confused:

i hope u didnt use SetFSB or MemSet :P

iLL
I am cautious, for me stability is everything. Those faster timings are not going to make any difference, especially if and when it crashes. My computer is used for record keeping and to run my small business, not just a race car.

Heck I am happy to have 3.6 with 1.41 volts and doing it all on air, I ran Ortho 6hours yesterday perfectly.

Also working up this OC I never crashed once with ORtho, I am not going to argue with success.

I have very nice week 30 cpu. :clap:
sparx

[NghtShd]

:D Nem
How do you set the camera to get such clear images?
sparx

O_O

[coredump]

O_O

My thoughts exactly :toast:

[kevsta112003]

Which bios allows for highest FSB thus far?

Did they fix cold boot in 1503?

[Sparx]

O_O
What does O_O mean?

[Sparx]

Which bios allows for highest FSB thus far?

Did they fix cold boot in 1503?
Yes the cold boot issue was fixed in 1503.

[Getttosmurf]

with 1503 im at 3333 (can boot 3443) with 1.35v (bios) 1.32 cpu-z and mem at ddr2 900 4 4 4 12 so moving in the right direction but this board simply cant keep up with my cpu and ram = (

still with stock intel cooler , waiting for s775 wc block

[phogger]

What does O_O mean?

Google "O_O"

smiley o_o

[Strikez]

enyone get higher clock with 1601?
or some other good changes?

I have a more stable system overclocking with 1601 as I can now get it to boot and run programs at 411 fsb 1:1 but freezes when running mark 3d. I will be lowering my Fsb to get a stable system; 1601 for my system is the best bios I have tried so far.

[xpsentity]

In regards to the RAM problems over 365~ FSB, it's a tRD issue with SPD.

Loosen the tRD, no problems. It's too bad Asus does not include these subtimings in the bios.

Only some RAM exhibits this behavior, it depends on the programming of the SPD of the particular chip (Not IC's mind you).

That Thaiphoon SPD prog is interesting.. great way to thrash some ram if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing. ;)

[SKiLL3D]

In regards to the RAM problems over 365~ FSB, it's a tRD issue with SPD.

Loosen the tRD, no problems. It's too bad Asus does not include these subtimings in the bios.

Only some RAM exhibits this behavior, it depends on the programming of the SPD of the particular chip (Not IC's mind you).

That Thaiphoon SPD prog is interesting.. great way to thrash some ram if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing. ;)
Then i have some Questions for you:D

Which tRD-Setting is:
fastest?
slowest?
preferred to avoid the RAMproblem?

my Default is 6 - according to MemSet

Do i have to apply MemSet-settings everytime i boot or does MemSet save into BIOS?

iLL

[Quentin]

anyone have tested bios 1601 ?

[neologan]

late to the party but i only just got this board. Before this one i had a DFI 975X/G and in all this time i've never had a problem getting 800MHz 3-3-3-9 with 2.25V from my RAM on the DFI or two other AM2 boards.... until now.

At first i thought this was due to the agressive TRFC which lawrywild hinted to, but i've used MemSet and tried a high TRFC with no luck. I have no idea why i cannot get my 2GB OCZ PC2-8000 Plat EL XTC to work at speeds that were fine on 3 other mainboards. On the 0503 bios.

If i disable SPD and set 5-5-5, no boot, 4-4-4, no boot, 3-3-3, DOES boot, but then once in widnows orthos fails with a TRFC set at 42, tried many. the p5E DH default is 15!

This is at stock btw, X6800, no overclocking, just trying to get 800MHz 3-3-3 stable. hyperthingie is disabled.

Anyone got any ideas as this is really starting to get on my nerves :(

[lawrywild]

In regards to the RAM problems over 365~ FSB, it's a tRD issue with SPD.

Loosen the tRD, no problems. It's too bad Asus does not include these subtimings in the bios.

Only some RAM exhibits this behavior, it depends on the programming of the SPD of the particular chip (Not IC's mind you).

That Thaiphoon SPD prog is interesting.. great way to thrash some ram if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing. ;)

it is 100% NOT tRD, it is caused by tRFC

[SKiLL3D]

it is 100% NOT tRD, it is caused by tRFC
Then maybe u can answer my Questions?

Which tRFC-Setting is:
fastest?
slowest?
preferred to avoid the RAMproblem?

my Default is 6 - according to MemSet

Do i have to apply MemSet-settings everytime i boot or does MemSet save into BIOS?

iLL

[neologan]

This is as good as i can get with this board so far (with my memory i mean). if i try cas 3 orthos would fail within 5 seconds, doesn't matter what trfc i set either. next step is to try 2.3v to see if that sorts it.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9423/bestpossiblemc2.th.gif (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bestpossiblemc2.gif)

[brock01]

im having trouble with my ram and here it is in memset
i notice that the tRFC is pretty high? does that cause instability
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8122/ramfx4.png (http://imageshack.us)
heres my ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227139
any help is Greatly Appreciated
thanks, brock01

[neologan]

it's meant to be the opposite really, though so far i've found no real difference between high or low.

it's got to be some memory settings that are too aggressive, but the hell if i know which ones.

[Sparx]

OT
I am not getting email alerts regarding posts on this Forum, anyone else?
sparx

[ccl2006]

Guys,

Fyi, bios 1506 is out for the ASUS P5W DH Deluxe:http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe

[syne_24]

Guys,

Fyi, bios 1506 is out for the ASUS P5W DH Deluxe:http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe


i heard that is even more crap, any truth to that?

On another note, anyone experience some kind of lag in the bios once installed a g80? It lags everytime I change one fsb, like it tries to refresh everytime, weird.

[lawrywild]

im having trouble with my ram and here it is in memset
i notice that the tRFC is pretty high? does that cause instability
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8122/ramfx4.png (http://imageshack.us)
heres my ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227139
any help is Greatly Appreciated
thanks, brock01

No, 42 is the ideal setting to have

[lawrywild]

Then maybe u can answer my Questions?

Which tRFC-Setting is:
fastest?
slowest?
preferred to avoid the RAMproblem?

my Default is 6 - according to MemSet

Do i have to apply MemSet-settings everytime i boot or does MemSet save into BIOS?

iLL

I think your reading tRD, if tRFC is 6 then no wonder you're having problems :stick:

[neologan]

1506 - Enhance memory compatibility

Perhaps this will allow me 3-3-3-9 because so far this board is really poor to have problems when 3 of my other boards all allow 3-3-3-9.

[SKiLL3D]

I think your reading tRD, if tRFC is 6 then no wonder you're having problems :stick:
Ye, you're right i copoed my Post before and forgot to change Numbers.

SO my tRFC is 35. Will the Board keep the Setting when i apply 42 or will ihave to change it everytime i boot?

iLL

[neologan]

hmmm if i save the settings in MemSet, will it save just the sub timings or the timings aswell?

[pancito]

Any news on 1506 Bios

[irenic]

i heard that is even more crap, any truth to that?

On another note, anyone experience some kind of lag in the bios once installed a g80? It lags everytime I change one fsb, like it tries to refresh everytime, weird.


yeah.. i thought my bios is corrupt but then i read urs so i guess the problem came from my 8800gtx + p5w dh? ..

[lawrywild]

Ye, you're right i copoed my Post before and forgot to change Numbers.

SO my tRFC is 35. Will the Board keep the Setting when i apply 42 or will ihave to change it everytime i boot?

iLL

It will reset 35 when you reboot, you can save your memset profile and put it into startup folder so it automatically loads those timings upon each boot

[ccl2006]

i heard that is even more crap, any truth to that?

On another note, anyone experience some kind of lag in the bios once installed a g80? It lags everytime I change one fsb, like it tries to refresh everytime, weird.

1506 is a crap? where did you hear that? I checked this http://hentges.net/tmp/BIOS/asus-p5w-dh-deluxe/ and I don't see any 1506 bios at all. Please give us the links that the 1506 is crappy. Tia.

[Pol1977]

I updated to 1506... So far it is the same for me as 1503. There is an extra memory setting for users running 64bit OSes, if I'm not mistaken. The SPD thing when OCing is still there :(

[coredump]

1506 is a crap? where did you hear that? I checked this http://hentges.net/tmp/BIOS/asus-p5w-dh-deluxe/ and I don't see any 1506 bios at all. Please give us the links that the 1506 is crappy. Tia.

hentges.net has been updated

[Orbitech]

I see 1601 in the link.. Anyone tried it so we can see if they fixed the tRD issue?
Fvckin ASUS too many boards and zero support.. I knew I should have gone with Gigabyte.. Maybe I should swap it for one with 680...:stick:

[JokerCPoC]

I see 1601 in the link.. Anyone tried it so we can see if they fixed the tRD issue?
Fvckin ASUS too many boards and zero support.. I knew I should have gone with Gigabyte.. Maybe I should swap it for one with 680...:stick:

Speaking of Gigabyte, Asus and Gigabyte are joining forces and making motherboards and what not in a Joint venture.

[pee4]

Fvckin ASUS too many boards and zero support.. I knew I should have gone with Gigabyte.. Maybe I should swap it for one with 680...:stick:

If you hate Asus, you are going to REALLY hate Gigabyte. They completely suck... take a look at 8IRXP fiasco when we were duped by Tom's Hardware...

[ccl2006]

1506 is sweet! 1506 is the first bios that allowed me to do 400FSB 1:1 ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ccl2003/cpuz_400fsb_111106.jpg

Cpu-z validation:http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=137225

Screenshot:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ccl2003/superpi_400fsb_111106.jpg

[syne_24]

yeah.. i thought my bios is corrupt but then i read urs so i guess the problem came from my 8800gtx + p5w dh? ..


i think so, it was the only thing I swapped out and my system wasnt acting like that before. I found a solution tho, i feel like an idiot for not noticing this before. Apparently you can just key in the FSB number instead of using +/- which causes the lag with the G80. I didnt know that lol..;)

[Orbitech]

i think so, it was the only thing I swapped out and my system wasnt acting like that before. I found a solution tho, i feel like an idiot for not noticing this before. Apparently you can just key in the FSB number instead of using +/- which causes the lag with the G80. I didnt know that lol..;)

So is there any bios that can eliminate this problem yet? I'm getting my G80 on Monday and if possible I wanna be ready.. :)

[Brahmzy]

Sorry, what problem are we talking about? I have an 8800GTX with my P5W DH and don't see any problems...

[kyleslater]

asus support really sucks...seems P5WDH is dead already, im still waiting for the resolution of SPD bug at +370fsb (tRFC related)

I had a bad board too. But it was more like not recognizing the Raptors on Raid and not being stable after 20 minutes. No overclocking at all. The temp was also 47C (normal for that board supposedly) but the replacement board I got is only 39C with a Zalman 9500 AT and a Antec P180B case (total crap if you ask me get something bigger).

[lawrywild]

I did some more digging around the tRFC issue

If you set 2:3 divider over 333fsb (not sure about lower than 333 didn't try) with 5-5-5-15 the board will set tRFC to 42 and tRD to 7 like SPD would. So to not get this SPD issue you need some ram that can do over 1100 cas 5..

Also, another weird thing I've experienced is, even if my ram can handle ddr-833 1.8v, at 333fsb 4:5 = 833mhz ram I have to set over 2.00v to get stable. Same thing happens at 356mhz fsb, where I need 2.20v to run 712 lol??

So I'm thinking if you have D9 try pumping 2.40v and setting 2:3 5-5-5-15-5 and see where that gets you.

[SKiLL3D]

Thats some buggy RAMsetting ASUS:slapass:

i got GSKiLL 2GBHZ - need 2,1V to boot at FSB335 divider 4:5 = PC836 - on FSB266 i need 1,9V. WTF asus!

Now we need the RAMspd Problems fixed
+Vcore adjustable when C1E+EIST enabled^^

iLL

[DutchBBQ]

Downloading and installing latest BIOS & Drivers helps reducing installation problems and instability of your system. Don't use the drivers on the accompanied ASUS CD of your P5W HD Deluxe motherboard!!

Please note:
NEW FINAL Intel Matrix Storage Manager v.6.2.0.2002 dated Oct 13, 2006 available

See link:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061112200624969&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

[neologan]

Downloading and installing latest BIOS & Drivers helps reducing installation problems and instability of your system. Don't use the drivers on the accompanied ASUS CD of your P5W HD Deluxe motherboard!!well duh :stick:

:p:

[DutchBBQ]

well duh :stick:

:p:

While the idea is dead obvious--the problem is that we don't do the obvious.

[phogger]

I too put vCore to 1.60v, following the lead - not as brave.

Core Temp Beta temps are 48/47 C right now on air.

That's been the only way to get me past 3.2GHz in BIOS.

I have been able to boot into Windows at 400 FSB, logon, but even 1M superpi fails some of the time, though my fastest was 14.140s.

I've backed off to 3.33Ghz/370 FSB in BIOS for more stability. I'm running 2x FAH 24/7 with temps TAT 44-48C; CoreTempBeta 45-48C; ambient right now in the shack is 66F.

[phoeniXfury]

Hey everyone!

Been a while since I was overclocking the opteron...decided to jump the gun and go for a Core2 Duo:

E6600 L631
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (1506)
OCZ PC2-8000 Platinum XTC
Triple 120mm Rad Water Cooling on CPU
X1900XT
OCZ PowerStream 600W

I'm having a problem getting to 350FSB for some reason:stick:.

vCore=1.6v (in BIOS...1.55 actual)
vMem=2.2v
vMCH=1.65v (more doesn't help)
vFSB-Term=1.4v (more doesn't help
vICH=Auto

DRAMfreq=700Mhz (I've used it over 800Mhz without issues)
Hyperpath3=Disabled
DRAMtiming=SPD
PCIfreq=33.33Mhz locked
PCIEfreq=100Mhz locked
PerfMod=Standard

Any ideas? CPU's not the problem...I've hit 3.02Ghz and am now running with a multiplyer of 8 instead of 9 and still no go. So the FSB needs some work. Also...I am running Windows Vista RC1 and I get BSOD while login loads.

[phogger]

Hey everyone!

Been a while since I was overclocking the opteron...decided to jump the gun and go for a Core2 Duo:

E6600 L631
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (1506)
OCZ PC2-8000 Platinum XTC
Triple 120mm Rad Water Cooling on CPU
X1900XT
OCZ PowerStream 600W

I'm having a problem getting to 350FSB for some reason:stick:.

vCore=1.6v (in BIOS...1.55 actual)
vMem=2.2v
vMCH=1.65v (more doesn't help)
vFSB-Term=1.4v (more doesn't help
vICH=Auto

DRAMfreq=700Mhz (I've used it over 800Mhz without issues)
Hyperpath3=Disabled
DRAMtiming=SPD
PCIfreq=33.33Mhz locked
PCIEfreq=100Mhz locked
PerfMod=Standard

Any ideas? CPU's not the problem...I've hit 3.02Ghz and am now running with a multiplyer of 8 instead of 9 and still no go. So the FSB needs some work. Also...I am running Windows Vista RC1 and I get BSOD while login loads.

Looks good to me. . . .

Here's my settings FYI

BIOS 1601
BIOS SETTINGS
JumperFree Configuration
AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL
CPU Frequency : 370MhZ
DRAMM Frequency :740Mhz
Performance Mode :Standard
PCI Express Frequency : 110Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz
Memory Voltage : 2.20v
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.50v
FSB Termination V : 1.50v
MCH Chipset V : 1.65V
ICH Chipset V : 1.20v
Digital Home: Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
CPU Configuration
Modify Ratio Support : Disabled
****Ratio CMOS Setting: [9]
Microcode Update : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
Enhanced C1 Control: Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
Advanced Chipset Settings (DDR2)
Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : Enable
DRAM CAS Latency : 5.0
DRAM RAS Precharge : 6
DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 6
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 18
DRAM Write Recovery Time : 24
Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disable
Memory Remap Feature: Enabled
--------------------------------------------------------
Intel TAT 51/48C Ambient 72F
--------------------------------------------------------

I've hit 400FSB and total stable at 370 FSB/3.33GHz.

[ninrocket]

This is my first shot at overclocking:

http://www.ihssol.com/MY%20PC.JPG

verification is here (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=137741)

My voltages seem low but the system is stable. Going to get a phase change unit from jinu117
next and see how hard I can push it.

F.E.A.R. with max settings is a real treat on this system! I bought the Dell 24" widescreen and it is AWESOME. No dead pixels and 1920x1200 rez....SWEET!

Thanks in advance PHOGGER for saving me all the typing!!

BIOS 1506
BIOS SETTINGS
JumperFree Configuration
AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL
CPU Frequency : 400MhZ
DRAMM Frequency :800Mhz
Performance Mode :Standard
PCI Express Frequency : 100Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz
Memory Voltage : 2.20v
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.425v (drops to 1.40 under full load)
FSB Termination V : 1.40v
MCH Chipset V : 1.55V
ICH Chipset V : 1.05v
Digital Home: Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
CPU Configuration
Modify Ratio Support : Disabled
****Ratio CMOS Setting: [9]
Microcode Update : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
Enhanced C1 Control: Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
Advanced Chipset Settings (DDR2)
Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : Enable
DRAM CAS Latency : 4
DRAM RAS Precharge : 4
DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time : 16
Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disable
Memory Remap Feature: Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------
Intel TAT 42/45C Ambient 70F

[phoeniXfury]

Thanks for the info! :)

As I suspected...Vista isn't as stable as I'd like it to be...but then again...it's RC1 that I have...I gota grab RTM soon;)

I'm on XP now @3.15 and still going:banana: Idle: 37C full load 51C

Hope I'll get to at least 3.6...more the better :D

As a side note...I understand Windows XP installation taking 15min...but Vista also took 15min...and that was at stock 2.4Ghz!!!

[Thasp]

Does this motherboard still have the problem mentioned in the other thread where the shipping BIOS is not compatible with core 2 duo CPUs?

[NghtShd]

Does this motherboard still have the problem mentioned in the other thread where the shipping BIOS is not compatible with core 2 duo CPUs?

It's very unlikely that you'd get one with a BIOS that old now.

[ninrocket]

Does this motherboard still have the problem mentioned in the other thread where the shipping BIOS is not compatible with core 2 duo CPUs?

nope....not unless you got a hold of some ANCIENT stock. I got mine 2 months ago and it came with 0701. I just got around to building it this weekend.....I love it!

Not only is it fast but it is very quiet!

What's the best software for FSB, MEM, VOLT adjustments in real time for this board? Anyone?

[Thasp]

Wow, cool. :D

Is it possible to take the heatpipe cooling off also? It'll be watercooled, I'd rather add a cheapo waterblock to the chipset at the end of the loop than use passive.

Gigabyte mobos make it a real pain in the ass to remove that stuff, almost as if it wasn't meant to be removed.

Also, are open box models on newegg older models?

[ninrocket]

Wow, cool. :D

Is it possible to take the heatpipe cooling off also? ........

Also, are open box models on newegg older models?

Heatpipe is very easy to take off.
I would bet that the newegg models would be OK....since they go through a lot of inventory.

[phoeniXfury]

I doubt u'd find one that doesn't support Core2...unless if ur buying it from someone that had the board for a long time.

My board that I got 2 days ago came with 1305...so my local store did have a load of these from a while ago but ASUS officially supports Core2 with 1011...and as others said earlier ones will work as well.

As an update, I'm enjoying this board very much as well as the chip!:toast: I am now at 3.86Ghz with memory 1:1 at 430Mhz. I can't go any further now though, I actually think it's the FSB that is limiting me now as I attempted 8x multiplier on my E6600 and going for higher. Though I'm pretty sure the CPU is at its limit with my cooling system anyway. All in all: :banana: :banana: :banana:

All that's left to do is Orthos!

[Thasp]

I've read that a lot of conroe mobos will not POST with RAM that requires higher vdimm.

Is this one of those mobos? Is there a recommended RAM list for this mobo? I am looking at this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231087) right now.

[NghtShd]

I've read that a lot of conroe mobos will not POST with RAM that requires higher vdimm.

Is this one of those mobos? Is there a recommended RAM list for this mobo? I am looking at this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231087) right now.
My RAM is spec'd @ 2.2v and the board posted fine. You might want to read the reviews on that RAM. Maybe a lot of it is user error, but there seem to be a lot of unhappy owners with Conroe systems.

[SKiLL3D]

This is my first shot at overclocking:

BIOS 1605...
Where di u get 1605?!??!

iLL

[Burner27]

I flashed to 1506 and now noticed something......

I have 4GBs of ram which the system sees but where it states "system memory", it looks like this:

Size: 4096MB
Appropriated: 1152MB
Available: 2944MB

What causes this? What is "appropriating" 1152MBs of memory?

[ninrocket]

Where di u get 1605?!??!

iLL

typo....sorry

I fixed it.

[cadaveca]

I flashed to 1506 and now noticed something......

I have 4GBs of ram which the system sees but where it states "system memory", it looks like this:

Size: 4096MB
Appropriated: 1152MB
Available: 2944MB

What causes this? What is "appropriating" 1152MBs of memory?

Motherboard resources get this memory. This is why there is the addition on the switch for 64-bit support, allowing the OS to get access to full ram, or have ram used properly when XP/2000 is installed. such a waste of manpower, if you ask me.:slapass:

[Burner27]

Motherboard resources get this memory. This is why there is the addition on the switch for 64-bit support, allowing the OS to get access to full ram, or have ram used properly when XP/2000 is installed. such a waste of manpower, if you ask me.:slapass:

So even though i am using a 32bit OS (WinXP Pro) should I switch that setting to 64-bit support?

[JokerCPoC]

So even though i am using a 32bit OS (WinXP Pro) should I switch that setting to 64-bit support?
Sorry, But as MS has said XP Pro will only address 4Gb, Minus drivers, Windows, Bios, etc. If You want 64bit support get Windows XP x64, It can be bought for about $74 or so, Do so only If Your cpu and motherboard support AMD64 or EM64T.

By limiting the address space to 4 GB, devices with 32-bit DMA bus master capability will not see a transaction with an address above the 4 GB barrier.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2mempr.mspx

[rpr]

Question for the experts:

My E6600 does 3.2Ghz with ease with all voltages left at stock "Auto" (I just disabled Hyperthreading 3), with idle temps at 42C and load temps at 54C.

Despite its impressive overclockability to 3.2 Ghz at stock settings, I can't run stable at 3.6 Ghz even with the CPU VCore cranked up to 1.525V and the VMCH cranked up to 1.65V. Its actually a bit more stable when I leave the VMCH on Auto, although not much. Temps at these voltages increase to 54C at idle and 70C at load.

I can't believe there is no more headroom in this CPU over what it can do with stock voltages! Anybody have any similar experiences? Suggestions?

[Burner27]

Sorry, But as MS has said XP Pro will only address 4Gb, Minus drivers, Windows, Bios, etc. If You want 64bit support get Windows XP x64, It can be bought for about $74 or so, Do so only If Your cpu and motherboard support AMD64 or EM64T.

By limiting the address space to 4 GB, devices with 32-bit DMA bus master capability will not see a transaction with an address above the 4 GB barrier.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2mempr.mspx

I know that. My question is purely related to the bios. If I enable 64-bit support in the bios will the "appropriated memory" go back to 0?

[JokerCPoC]

I know that. My question is purely related to the bios. If I enable 64-bit support in the bios will the "appropriated memory" go back to 0?
NO. You would still need a 64bit OS to see any possible effect, So under XP Pro x32 It's useless. :(

[MacClipper]

I flashed to 1506 and now noticed something......

I have 4GBs of ram which the system sees but where it states "system memory", it looks like this:

Size: 4096MB
Appropriated: 1152MB
Available: 2944MB

What causes this? What is "appropriating" 1152MBs of memory?

On 1506 with a AIW X1900, mine says

Size: 4096MB
Appropriated: 896MB
Available: 3200MB

Nice!

PS: Gave up on my el cheapo dual 7300GTs due to my earlier missing RAM issue.

[Thasp]

My RAM is spec'd @ 2.2v and the board posted fine. You might want to read the reviews on that RAM. Maybe a lot of it is user error, but there seem to be a lot of unhappy owners with Conroe systems.

I have searched the forum and I found one thread, the one with the g.skill tech posting settings.

Are you sure it's the right ram you're referring to? What would you recommend in that price range, then?

[Thasp]

Question for the experts:

My E6600 does 3.2Ghz with ease with all voltages left at stock "Auto" (I just disabled Hyperthreading 3), with idle temps at 42C and load temps at 54C.

Despite its impressive overclockability to 3.2 Ghz at stock settings, I can't run stable at 3.6 Ghz even with the CPU VCore cranked up to 1.525V and the VMCH cranked up to 1.65V. Its actually a bit more stable when I leave the VMCH on Auto, although not much. Temps at these voltages increase to 54C at idle and 70C at load.

I can't believe there is no more headroom in this CPU over what it can do with stock voltages! Anybody have any similar experiences? Suggestions?

I see no system specs.. how can I help?

For all I know you're using an evercool vc-re for a CPU heatsink.

[Burner27]

NO. You would still need a 64bit OS to see any possible effect, So under XP Pro x32 It's useless. :(

But this didn't happen under Bios 1101 so your answer is still not directed towards my question.

I understand I need a 64bit OS to see all the ram--that's not the question. If the previous bios I was using DID NOT appropriate any memory, and the OS I am using now "sees" 3GB of ram BEFORE I flashed to 1506 without appropriating 1152MBs of ram---how can I get that appropriated ram back?

This is a BIOS/Motherboard question--not and OS question.

[NO1B4ME]

Downloading and installing latest BIOS & Drivers helps reducing installation problems and instability of your system. Don't use the drivers on the accompanied ASUS CD of your P5W HD Deluxe motherboard!!

Please note:
NEW FINAL Intel Matrix Storage Manager v.6.2.0.2002 dated Oct 13, 2006 available

See link:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061112200624969&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

Thanks I just upgraded my system with the 8/1/2006 ones. I will try these new ones out for the raid.

[nicepun]

Question for the experts:

My E6600 does 3.2Ghz with ease with all voltages left at stock "Auto" (I just disabled Hyperthreading 3), with idle temps at 42C and load temps at 54C.

Despite its impressive overclockability to 3.2 Ghz at stock settings, I can't run stable at 3.6 Ghz even with the CPU VCore cranked up to 1.525V and the VMCH cranked up to 1.65V. Its actually a bit more stable when I leave the VMCH on Auto, although not much. Temps at these voltages increase to 54C at idle and 70C at load.

I can't believe there is no more headroom in this CPU over what it can do with stock voltages! Anybody have any similar experiences? Suggestions?

Well you need to post more info (rig specs) and bios settings.

[NghtShd]

I have searched the forum and I found one thread, the one with the g.skill tech posting settings.

Are you sure it's the right ram you're referring to? What would you recommend in that price range, then?

I looked at the RAM at newegg by clicking the link you provided then I checked the reviews there. Granted you have to take those reviews with a grain of salt (a lot of people just don't know what they're doing) and if you look at most lower priced RAM which has a good number of reviews there you'll see a lot of negatives, but I would at least do some shopping.

I don't really have anything to go on regarding recommendations other than my own experience. I'm using Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146565), which I got on sale for $250 before a $40 rebate. (Newegg's price is $340, but ZipZoomFly (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80061-9) has it for $270.)

[Psitech]

1602

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[lockeh]

why is there new bios's flying out left right n center

what are they fixing?

is the stupid after 360fsb SPD bug fixed yet?

is the cold boot problems fixed yet?

has there been anymore overclocking with these new releases?

[lawrywild]

1602

http://web54.nsi24.miniserver.de/wbb2/attachment.php?attachmentid=126

Thanks, Flashed, I see no changes in the bios so far...:(

[JokerCPoC]

But this didn't happen under Bios 1101 so your answer is still not directed towards my question.

I understand I need a 64bit OS to see all the ram--that's not the question. If the previous bios I was using DID NOT appropriate any memory, and the OS I am using now "sees" 3GB of ram BEFORE I flashed to 1506 without appropriating 1152MBs of ram---how can I get that appropriated ram back?

This is a BIOS/Motherboard question--not and OS question.
Either You go back to that Bios version or wait until the 3Gb of ram comes back in a New bios version, Otherwise there is nothing You can do as some or all of that ram that is missing is taken up by Your Bios, the OS, It's drivers, programs, etc. It has to go someplace within the 4Gb address space otherwise It wouldn't be a 32bit OS.

To think otherwise is a bit naive. As It was the same with DOS years ago when people asked if DOS can address 1Mb How come I don't see It all? It has to go someplace.

The Bios and the OS has everything to do with How much ram You have that can be seen by the Bios/motherboard as outlined above, Since You may have 4Gb installed, But the Bios and then Windows is in charge of what goes where and since there may be some overlap, Guess what doesn't show up? Yep the ram that is missiing.

[rpr]

I see no system specs.. how can I help?

For all I know you're using an evercool vc-re for a CPU heatsink.
I AM using an Evercool VC-RE as my CPU heatsink. It's all I had...what's wrong with that? :(

Just kidding. System is as follows:

E6600 w/ Zalman 7700Cu
2GB OCZ PC 6400 Platinum Rev 2
P5W-DH Deluxe (first shipping revision)
ATI X1900XT

Settings are as follows:

356x9 (3.2 Ghz) rock solid Orthos stable with all stock BIOS settings (incl all "Auto" voltages & memory left at SPD) except for Disabled HyperPath 3. Running RAM at 890Mhz SPD timings. Idle temps are 42C and load temps are 54C.

400x9 (3.6 Ghz) best I can do is run Orthos for 80 seconds. Running RAM at rated speed of 800Mhz at SPD timings. Tried all combinations of CPU VCore (up to 1.525V) and VMCH (up to 1.65V). At 1.525 VCore and 1.65 VMCH my idle temps are 54C and load temps are 71C.

I haven't played with other BIOS settings other than disabling HyperPath 3 and bumping up VCore and VMCH. Actually seems a bit more stable with VMCH on "Auto". What am I missing???

With my 2.4 Ghz E6600 being able to do 3.2 Ghz at stock settings, I really don't feel the extra heat and stress on the system associated with ratcheting up voltages, etc. is worth it unless I can eek out at least another 400Mhz out of it (i.e.: to ~3.6 Ghz).

Any suggestions? What do I need to focus on other than VCore and VMCH???

[brock01]

i have the exact same system rpr except diff hsf, CNPS9500led is what i got
and i found out that my ram SUCKS, i think
sending it back to newegg tom
try memtest and see if you get some errors

[Burner27]

Either You go back to that Bios version or wait until the 3Gb of ram comes back in a New bios version, Otherwise there is nothing You can do as some or all of that ram that is missing is taken up by Your Bios, the OS, It's drivers, programs, etc. It has to go someplace within the 4Gb address space otherwise It wouldn't be a 32bit OS.

To think otherwise is a bit naive. As It was the same with DOS years ago when people asked if DOS can address 1Mb How come I don't see It all? It has to go someplace.

The Bios and the OS has everything to do with How much ram You have that can be seen by the Bios/motherboard as outlined above, Since You may have 4Gb installed, But the Bios and then Windows is in charge of what goes where and since there may be some overlap, Guess what doesn't show up? Yep the ram that is missiing.

I am in the BIOS and the ram is posting as 4096MB TOTAL. But then what is available IN THE BIOS shows up as 2944MB after "appropriating" 1152MB. You're saying the BIOS now, after a BIOS upgrade needs 1GB of ram? For what purpose? It didn't need it in the past. Please stop telling me it is DRIVERS, my OS and programs. The OS isn't even in the equation here.

I ask why the BIOS is usurping 1152MB when before in was taking 0.

************After a bit of tinkering I found out how to stop taking so much ram. Under the Chipset features, there is a setting for "memory remapping" 32 Bit disable/64bit enable. If I switch it to enable I get all 4096MB available even though WinXP sees 3GB (i know why I do not need an explaination)

[syne_24]

I AM using an Evercool VC-RE as my CPU heatsink. It's all I had...what's wrong with that? :(

Just kidding. System is as follows:

E6600 w/ Zalman 7700Cu
2GB OCZ PC 6400 Platinum Rev 2
P5W-DH Deluxe (first shipping revision)
ATI X1900XT

Settings are as follows:

356x9 (3.2 Ghz) rock solid Orthos stable with all stock BIOS settings (incl all "Auto" voltages & memory left at SPD) except for Disabled HyperPath 3. Running RAM at 890Mhz SPD timings. Idle temps are 42C and load temps are 54C.

400x9 (3.6 Ghz) best I can do is run Orthos for 80 seconds. Running RAM at rated speed of 800Mhz at SPD timings. Tried all combinations of CPU VCore (up to 1.525V) and VMCH (up to 1.65V). At 1.525 VCore and 1.65 VMCH my idle temps are 54C and load temps are 71C.

I haven't played with other BIOS settings other than disabling HyperPath 3 and bumping up VCore and VMCH. Actually seems a bit more stable with VMCH on "Auto". What am I missing???

With my 2.4 Ghz E6600 being able to do 3.2 Ghz at stock settings, I really don't feel the extra heat and stress on the system associated with ratcheting up voltages, etc. is worth it unless I can eek out at least another 400Mhz out of it (i.e.: to ~3.6 Ghz).

Any suggestions? What do I need to focus on other than VCore and VMCH???


guys not all E6600 can run stable less than 1.5v My week 24 needed 1.55v in the bios to be stable with orthos. I went through 10 A batch E6600's and 2 B batch, all vcore were different for 3.6 stability. Raise the vcore is needed to tell what's holding you back. Do not be afraid to raise the vcore. I would go up to 1.6v for air just to rule out any possibility besides the CPU that is causing the unstability.

[rpr]

guys not all E6600 can run stable less than 1.5v My week 24 needed 1.55v in the bios to be stable with orthos. I went through 10 A batch E6600's and 2 B batch, all vcore were different for 3.6 stability. Raise the vcore is needed to tell what's holding you back. Do not be afraid to raise the vcore. I would go up to 1.6v for air just to rule out any possibility besides the CPU that is causing the unstability.
With load temps of 71C at 1.525???

[syne_24]

ok if your not comfortable with the temps then maybe it's about time to rethink on a new cooler? If you're not going to isolate the problem how do you know what's holding you back? 90% of the time if your ram setting, vdimm, vmch and everything else is set right; it's the vcore that's needed to get stable. You tell me how do you know if you aint going to try..

This is my setting @ 3.6 stable:

CPU Frequency: 400MHz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 800MHz (1:1)
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 101
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.25V *depend on memory
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.375V *depend on cpu
FSB Termination: AUTO or 1.4
MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.65V *depend on board, might need 1.75v for memory @ 1000mhz
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (use rated timing such as 4-4-4-12 etc..)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Enabled
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

Under advanced CPU settings:

Microcode Updation: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled
*Everything else: Disabled*

Under device settings:

1394 Controller: Disabled
PCIE GbE LAN 1 or 2: Disabled (the one you're not using)
Jmicron SATA: Disabled (if not use)
Serial Port Address: Disabled

[JokerCPoC]

I am in the BIOS and the ram is posting as 4096MB TOTAL. But then what is available IN THE BIOS shows up as 2944MB after "appropriating" 1152MB. You're saying the BIOS now, after a BIOS upgrade needs 1GB of ram? For what purpose? It didn't need it in the past. Please stop telling me it is DRIVERS, my OS and programs. The OS isn't even in the equation here.

I ask why the BIOS is usurping 1152MB when before in was taking 0.

************After a bit of tinkering I found out how to stop taking so much ram. Under the Chipset features, there is a setting for "memory remapping" 32 Bit disable/64bit enable. If I switch it to enable I get all 4096MB available even though WinXP sees 3GB (i know why I do not need an explaination)

My point is that the Bios leaves a certain amount of space for those devices for XP x32, However if It sees a 64 bit NT loader program then that reserved space isn't needed by Windows XP x64, as x64 can load them above ones ram.

Well I'm glad You have Your 3Gb of ram. :D

[Brahmzy]

Don't expect all E6600's to do 3.6GHz stable at all - any voltage.

My week 23 wouldn't do it. My week 27 does.

What about 3.4GHz? What does it take to get there? I think 3.4GHz is a great OC - an even 1000MHz OC.

In fact, I have since backed mine down to 3.4GHz as my 24/7.

Now I just need to figure out how to cool and OC my new 8800GTX.

[ntvh]

My week 26 does OC at 3.6 GHz @ 1.4v after c/o BIOS 1506.:toast:

[DutchBBQ]

1602

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It is suggested that this BETA BIOS 1602 includes:
-Fix CPU Temp (previous versions showed too low temperatures)
-Update Kentsfield Quad Core uCode

However, some users determined and reported that the Fix CPU Temp actually has NOT been fixed the temp monitoring problem!

I'n not in for this beta-bios-version!

[Burner27]

My point is that the Bios leaves a certain amount of space for those devices for XP x32, However if It sees a 64 bit NT loader program then that reserved space isn't needed by Windows XP x64, as x64 can load them above ones ram.

You're talking OS level again. The BIOS does not know what OS you are running and cannot dynamically determine that. I could be running Ubuntu Linux for all it knows. The point is the OS did not determine what this problem was nor did it cause it. The problem was never at the OS level, which you keep insisting is the problem.

[AndrewZorn]

Don't expect all E6600's to do 3.6GHz stable at all - any voltage.

My week 23 wouldn't do it. My week 27 does.

What about 3.4GHz? What does it take to get there? I think 3.4GHz is a great OC - an even 1000MHz OC.

In fact, I have since backed mine down to 3.4GHz as my 24/7.

Now I just need to figure out how to cool and OC my new 8800GTX.
i am struggling for 3.3ghz. i mean, sure its 900mhz and all (IF i can stabilize it) but i mean come on, i didnt buy a P5W DH and Team memory to get the same overclock as those on E6300 + ASrock boards, etc... yet again, premium hardware + bad luck = bad luck...

[thorlak]

Hi everyone, sorry for my english it’s not very good. I don't know if this is really the place for this post but the title of the thread says Problems + Fixes... so I think it maybe right here, if not, tell me please.

It’s been one month since I’ve built my new computer and I have a problem which I couldn’t have fixed yet.

My systems specs are:

CPU: Intel Core2Duo e6600
MotherBoard: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
RAM: 2x1GB DDR2 TeamXtreem 800Mhz (4-4-4-10) – Before I had 2x1GB DDR2 GEIL 800Mhz (5-5-5-15)
Primary HDD: Western Digital Raptor 74GB
Data HDD: 2 x Western Digital 320GB in Raid 0
Power Supply: Hiper HPU-4M670-SU (Version 1) – Before I had Tacens Valeo Pro 600W
Graphic Card: Ati Sapphire X1900XT 512MB

The problem:

When I turn on my computer it makes 4 beeps (1 large and 3 short), and I get no POST screen (no signal on the monitor) but the fans are working. If I let it run a while in this mode and then restart it the computer boots well and then I can play, work, etc, with no problems. (Sometimes it takes me up to 3 or 4 restarts to boot it well).

Regarding to AMI bios beep codes: (http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/amibeep.htm) 1 large and 3 short mean: Memory test failure A fault has been detected in memory above 64KB.

I’ve tried inserting just one stick of memory in every slot of the motherboard (I’ve tried with all sticks I have). I thought it was a memory problem so I bought a new pair of Team Xtreem memory (before I had GEIL memory) and the problem persists.

I’ve also tried updating bios (first I had 1201, then updated to 1407 and yesterday I’ve updated to 1506). But nothing of this solved the problem.

I thought it could be a PSU problem so I have also tried changing the PSU (before I had Tacens Valeo Pro 600W) now I have Hiper HPU 4M670 which is supposed to be compatible (http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/buildyourown2.html) with my graphic card
My computer passed satisfactory all tests I have run on it (BurnInTest Pro, Memtest, 3DMark06 and PCMark05).

The symptoms:

The matter is that all I have described before just happens when the computer has been some time turned off, I mean when it is working, if I turn it off and in five or ten minutes I turn it on, it boots well. If I turn it off and half an hour later I turn it on the computer makes the beeps and doesn’t boot well.

I don’t know what else to try or to do, the problem is still there and I would like to fix it as soon as it is possible.

I would appreciate your help.

[Liquid3D]

Maybe I missed it, but what operating system are you using? Isn't this a problem (for those watching the thread) that could have something to do with RAM Throttling? It seems people have this setting Disabled

In the DRAM settings I'd also suggest running the memory at SPD - Enabled
make sure the ECC is Disabled

And I would drop the memory divider to 533MHz just to see what effect this has.

Also what FSB speed are you running? 266MHz 333Mhz?

By the way WELCOME and your English is excllent, very, very, concise post :)

[OldCoot]

I built the rig in the sig a few weeks ago. I'm very happy with the performance and the OC is Orthos stable at 22.5 hours, the longest that I've let it run.

I had a problem with S3 standby from the very beginning. Stock clocked or over clocked it would crash coming out of standby 100%. Hibernate would crash and restart sometimes going in and would crash and restart about 50% on resume. Very frustrating. I was blaming the video drivers since my previous build (AMD/nvidia) would sometimes not reinitialize the display coming out of standby and it definitely changed behavior with different video drivers.

Yesterday I found http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889673 and installed the hotfix. Standby works perfectly ever since!:clap: I have not tried hibernate again, since standby works so good now.

I hope this helps others who were frustrated by this issue.

I have the same problem. I have 2 drives in RAID0 on the SATA 1 & 3 connectors, a burner on the Intel IDE port, and added 2 IDE drives on the JMicron IDE ports.
Everything works fine until the system goes into 'Standby' (sleep) mode. When it resumes, the drives on the JMicron IDE port have disappeared! The only way I can get them back is to reboot.
I had the 1305 BIOS, switched to the 1503 BIOS and same issue.
I did the Microsoft 'hotfix' and it did nothing.
Any suggestions?

[SKiLL3D]

I have the same problem. I have 2 drives in RAID0 on the SATA 1 & 3 connectors, a burner on the Intel IDE port, and added 2 IDE drives on the JMicron IDE ports.
Everything works fine until the system goes into 'Standby' (sleep) mode. When it resumes, the drives on the JMicron IDE port have disappeared! The only way I can get them back is to reboot.
I had the 1305 BIOS, switched to the 1503 BIOS and same issue.
I did the Microsoft 'hotfix' and it did nothing.
Any suggestions?
Try reading the Manual - Asus does recommend SATA1 for Optical Drive...Try your RAID at SATA3+4. Maybe that will fix something, but dont expect too much. Jmicron is crappy - u better disable it and buy ANY cheap PCI-IDE-Controller if u really need the IDEdrives.

iLL

[Potato Salad]

i am struggling for 3.3ghz. i mean, sure its 900mhz and all (IF i can stabilize it) but i mean come on, i didnt buy a P5W DH and Team memory to get the same overclock as those on E6300 + ASrock boards, etc... yet again, premium hardware + bad luck = bad luck...
Ha ha I like that line Premium Hardware + bad luck= Bad Luck..
That's great..
I hear ya, that's what usually happens to me aswell..DAMN:mad:

[thorlak]

Maybe I missed it, but what operating system are you using? Isn't this a problem (for those watching the thread) that could have something to do with RAM Throttling? It seems people have this setting Disabled
Hi Liquid3D, I'm using Windows XP Professional. Ok I'll disable RAM Throttling (I hope it works :)).

In the DRAM settings I'd also suggest running the memory at SPD - Enabled
make sure the ECC is Disabled
I've tried before with SPD enabled and the problem persists :(

And I would drop the memory divider to 533MHz just to see what effect this has.

Also what FSB speed are you running? 266MHz 333Mhz?
I'll try to change the memory divider too. I'm running FSB at 266Mhz (I haven't done any overclocking on the computer).

By the way WELCOME and your English is excllent, very, very, concise post :)
Thanks!!! :)

[Liquid3D]

I trotally missed the SATA RAID respsones that looks to be much more of an astute assesment :)

[axemanrio]

thorlak, it sounds like the only thing that's changed is your MEMORY... you might want to check whether memory voltage is set to "Auto" in BIOS. If it is, overwrite the Auto setting with the rated voltage of your memory. Keep SPD enabled too. Let us know if this works.

[DarthVader]

Ever since installing a new PSU (an 800W Tagan Dual Engine) and updating to BIOS 1506 I have observed something that did not happen before. When I overclock my E6600 to 3ghz (with the memory voltage at 2v to get 4-4-4-12 at DDR2-833/835) the CPU fan seems to kick in at full pelt when being overclocked, which is something that never happened when I first overclocked many moons ago under BIOS v1101 or something.

Of course it is nice to see the cold boot problem seems to have been sorted but this constant whirling of the fan at full pelt can't be good - even when overclocked the CPU is not too hot and particularly not so given that winter is fast approaching. Is there any way to make the CPU speed lower for idle operations or am I stuck with it like this when overclocking?

[Pol1977]

Ever since installing a new PSU (an 800W Tagan Dual Engine) and updating to BIOS 1506 I have observed something that did not happen before. When I overclock my E6600 to 3ghz (with the memory voltage at 2v to get 4-4-4-12 at DDR2-833/835) the CPU fan seems to kick in at full pelt when being overclocked, which is something that never happened when I first overclocked many moons ago under BIOS v1101 or something.

Of course it is nice to see the cold boot problem seems to have been sorted but this constant whirling of the fan at full pelt can't be good - even when overclocked the CPU is not too hot and particularly not so given that winter is fast approaching. Is there any way to make the CPU speed lower for idle operations or am I stuck with it like this when overclocking?

I don't know why this is happening. You can use Speedfan, an excellent freeware application to control the fans connected to your motherboard. You can easily find and download it if you google for it.

How can you set your memory timings to 4-4-4-12 while overclocking? Don't you have to set memory timings to "by SPD" in order to go past 360-370 fsb? I guess you are using an FSB lower than 360, right?

[Durzel]

i am struggling for 3.3ghz. i mean, sure its 900mhz and all (IF i can stabilize it) but i mean come on, i didnt buy a P5W DH and Team memory to get the same overclock as those on E6300 + ASrock boards, etc... yet again, premium hardware + bad luck = bad luck...If it makes you feel any better I bought a P5W64 (~£200), E6700ES (~£400) and modded Vapochill LS (~£450) and with it I'm getting 4.3Ghz so far. Yet, in 3DMark I get pretty much exactly the same score as running it at 3.6Ghz, so I've "wasted" money too. :(

[DarthVader]

I don't know why this is happening. You can use Speedfan, an excellent freeware application to control the fans connected to your motherboard. You can easily find and download it if you google for it.

How can you set your memory timings to 4-4-4-12 while overclocking? Don't you have to set memory timings to "by SPD" in order to go past 360-370 fsb? I guess you are using an FSB lower than 360, right?

Aye I've set my FSB to 334mhz and set the memory voltage to 2v (it's corsair stuff so it should do 2.1v with no problems so I hear). I have the timings set manually rather than by SPD.

[kaiguy]

How can you set your memory timings to 4-4-4-12 while overclocking? Don't you have to set memory timings to "by SPD" in order to go past 360-370 fsb? I guess you are using an FSB lower than 360, right?
Sorry to jump into this, but why are you assuming a 360 or lower FSB with those timings? I'm running fine at 400 FSB with 4-4-4-12...

[Liquid3D]

Ever since installing a new PSU (an 800W Tagan Dual Engine) and updating to BIOS 1506 I have observed something that did not happen before. When I overclock my E6600 to 3ghz (with the memory voltage at 2v to get 4-4-4-12 at DDR2-833/835) the CPU fan seems to kick in at full pelt when being overclocked, which is something that never happened when I first overclocked many moons ago under BIOS v1101 or something.

Of course it is nice to see the cold boot problem seems to have been sorted but this constant whirling of the fan at full pelt can't be good - even when overclocked the CPU is not too hot and particularly not so given that winter is fast approaching. Is there any way to make the CPU speed lower for idle operations or am I stuck with it like this when overclocking?

As far as I know Dual Engine for the 800W model (indeed all Dual Engine models) refers to Dual transfomers, one transformer handles the 3.3V 12V1, and 12V3 "taps". The other transformer the 5V, 12V2, and 12V4 "taps". The rail assigment may be such that raising the memory voltage and Vcore taxes the 3.3V, 12V1 and 12V3 activating the cooling fan.

As an experiment I'd try leaving the overclock as is, and simply dropping the memory voltage as well as memory timmings on SPD and Auto respectively. If this stops the fan spin-up then you've found your no longer over taxing those particular rails, hence that transformer and it's simply a design aspect of the Tagan Dual Engine. The 800W certainly isn't their lowest power rated Dual Engine model, however; they may have made an error in simply reducing power without re-assinging transformer tap assigment as wattge dropped. In other words that combination may be fine for the 1KW model, but at lower voltages certain rails might have been assigned to different transformers for a more effective design.

I'm getting a little in-depth on the PSU design, however; the fact the fan is spinning up is a result of a temp increase somewhere in the PSU. If it were a temp increase from other components in your system in which the PSU was then drawing that heat air through it, the fan RPM increase wouldn't be immediate, but have a slight delay.

[Pol1977]

Sorry to jump into this, but why are you assuming a 360 or lower FSB with those timings? I'm running fine at 400 FSB with 4-4-4-12...

Most memory sticks have what they call "safety settings" programmed in their SPD. My GSkill 6400 4-4-4-12 ram "works at 2.0-2.1 V at those settings but has SPD programmed to 5-5-5-15 for people not knowing how to set manual voltage and timings and for crappy motherboards" (quote from GSkill technical support).

So, I assumed that to have 4-4-4-12 you must be able to set the timings manually, something you cannot do if your FSB is higher than 360-370 MHz with the BIOSes floating around at the moment.

If your SPD is set at 4-4-4-12 there is no reason you can't run at these settings and have 400MHz FSB :)

[kaiguy]

Most memory sticks have what they call "safety settings" programmed in their SPD. My GSkill 6400 4-4-4-12 ram "works at 2.0-2.1 V at those settings but has SPD programmed to 5-5-5-15 for people not knowing how to set manual voltage and timings and for crappy motherboards" (quote from GSkill technical support).

So, I assumed that to have 4-4-4-12 you must be able to set the timings manually, something you cannot do if your FSB is higher than 360-370 MHz with the BIOSes floating around at the moment.

If your SPD is set at 4-4-4-12 there is no reason you can't run at these settings and have 400MHz FSB :)
Thanks for the explanation. I'm actually surprised then that my sticks have the 4-4-4-12 setting in SPD, but I guess it's possible. I have my BIOS set for manual timings at 400 FSB, but maybe it's just reverting to SPD, or, somehow, I'm just lucky with the revision pf my mobo.

Food for thought, I guess.

[cadaveca]

MY sticks(Crucial Tracer) are not SPD programmed for 4-4-4-12 400mhz, but are EPP profiled for such(SPD is 5-5-5-18 400mhz/4-5-5-18 333mhz). maybe that's what make the difference...I have no issues running manual timings @ any FSB speed, unless on 4:5 divider

[DarthVader]

As far as I know Dual Engine for the 800W model (indeed all Dual Engine models) refers to Dual transfomers, one transformer handles the 3.3V 12V1, and 12V3 "taps". The other transformer the 5V, 12V2, and 12V4 "taps". The rail assigment may be such that raising the memory voltage and Vcore taxes the 3.3V, 12V1 and 12V3 activating the cooling fan.

As an experiment I'd try leaving the overclock as is, and simply dropping the memory voltage as well as memory timmings on SPD and Auto respectively. If this stops the fan spin-up then you've found your no longer over taxing those particular rails, hence that transformer and it's simply a design aspect of the Tagan Dual Engine. The 800W certainly isn't their lowest power rated Dual Engine model, however; they may have made an error in simply reducing power without re-assinging transformer tap assigment as wattge dropped. In other words that combination may be fine for the 1KW model, but at lower voltages certain rails might have been assigned to different transformers for a more effective design.

I'm getting a little in-depth on the PSU design, however; the fact the fan is spinning up is a result of a temp increase somewhere in the PSU. If it were a temp increase from other components in your system in which the PSU was then drawing that heat air through it, the fan RPM increase wouldn't be immediate, but have a slight delay.

An indepth discussion indeed. ;) I had actually tried overclocking to the current values with my older Tagan 480W and the CPU fan going at full pelt was an issue with it too (this was with BIOS v1503 at the time I think). With the current one I did try leaving the memory voltage on auto and leaving the memory timings slightly higher as a result (at 5-5-5-12) but the CPU fan was still firing away at full pelt for some peculiar reason.

[Pol1977]

I have my BIOS set for manual timings at 400 FSB, but maybe it's just reverting to SPD, or, somehow, I'm just lucky with the revision pf my mobo.

So, you're saying that your P5W DH Deluxe boots up OK with 400MHz FSB and manual memory timing settings? What BIOS are you using?

MY sticks(Crucial Tracer) are not SPD programmed for 4-4-4-12 400mhz, but are EPP profiled for such(SPD is 5-5-5-18 400mhz/4-5-5-18 333mhz). maybe that's what make the difference...I have no issues running manual timings @ any FSB speed, unless on 4:5 divider

There are many posts in this forum from people who can't boot with manual timings and FSB higher than 360-370 MHz. I am one of them :P
What is your FSB and what BIOS are you using?

[cadaveca]

good up to 450FSB, 4-4-4-12 bios 1305/1407/1503/1506. I run 416 daily, although now that board is dead. 450 does not work right w/ 1503 tho.

[Liquid3D]

An indepth discussion indeed. ;) I had actually tried overclocking to the current values with my older Tagan 480W and the CPU fan going at full pelt was an issue with it too (this was with BIOS v1503 at the time I think). With the current one I did try leaving the memory voltage on auto and leaving the memory timings slightly higher as a result (at 5-5-5-12) but the CPU fan was still firing away at full pelt for some peculiar reason.

My whole explanation is absolutely WRONG!!!!! I misread your POST I thought it said your were concerned about the PSU fan spinning up not the "CPU" fan therefore disreagrd what I said or apply as if the problem you were discussing was the PSU fan spinning up everytime you etc etc etc.

As far as the CPU fan in the BIOS you may have the Fan speed contollers enabled. What I do is disable all such controls. I want my fans to spin full-out because i want my hardware to run as cool as possible regardless of the noise these fans make.

[kaiguy]

So, you're saying that your P5W DH Deluxe boots up OK with 400MHz FSB and manual memory timing settings? What BIOS are you using?
My P5W DH Deluxe boots up perfectly. If you look at my signature you can see the particulars (400FSB, manual RAM timings, etc.). I'm currently using 1506 but it worked fine with 1503 and 1407. I also don't need to have my memory voltage very high at all nor my vcore. My only issue with my setup is the idle and load temps (cpu 46-50 idle). Aside from that, no instability, no boot problems.

[DarthVader]

As far as the CPU fan in the BIOS you may have the Fan speed contollers enabled. What I do is disable all such controls. I want my fans to spin full-out because i want my hardware to run as cool as possible regardless of the noise these fans make.

They are indeed enabled at the moment. It is a highly bizarre problem though because it never used to happen. Perhaps it is a change to the BIOS in one of the updates that is causing this sort of behaviour?

[kaiguy]

They are indeed enabled at the moment. It is a highly bizarre problem though because it never used to happen. Perhaps it is a change to the BIOS in one of the updates that is causing this sort of behaviour?
I think I experienced something similar to you. When I was running at stock speeds, the auto-adjusting fan setting in the BIOS worked very well. Once I overclocked (not sure at what point it started happening) the CPU fan just went at max speed. I ended up disabling the automatic fanspeed control and went with a fan adapter to control the speed manually.

The problem is I don't know if it was due to a change in a BIOS version, or when the FSB went above a certain speed... so I'm little help there. But the overclocking is what is causing the erratic qfan control.

[Pol1977]

My P5W DH Deluxe boots up perfectly. If you look at my signature you can see the particulars (400FSB, manual RAM timings, etc.). I'm currently using 1506 but it worked fine with 1503 and 1407. I also don't need to have my memory voltage very high at all nor my vcore. My only issue with my setup is the idle and load temps (cpu 46-50 idle). Aside from that, no instability, no boot problems.

I also have an E6400 and BIOS 1506 and am running @3.2GHz with 400 FSB and all that on Auto voltage except the MCH which has to be 1.65V (one step up from auto/normal which is 1.55V). My CPU idles at 28C now that it's getting colder but doesn'd go above 32C on idle even when it's warm (the Thermalright 120 Ultra and lian-li PC-V2000BPlusII case help there). And it's whisper quiet with 5 120mm fans @ <1000rpm and a 140mm PSU fan.

But I still can't find a way to boot my system at 400MHz FSB without SPD enabled. It doesn't matter what timings I put in manually, even if I put the same ones that are on the SPD. As stated some posts before, it is some memory subtiming issue which we hope will be fixed in some future BIOS.

Why you can run at 400MHz FSB and be able to set your timings manually at the same time is a mystery to me.

[kaiguy]

I also have an E6400 and BIOS 1506 and am running @3.2GHz with 400 FSB and all that on Auto voltage except the MCH which has to be 1.65V (one step up from auto/normal which is 1.55V). My CPU idles at 28C now that it's getting colder but doesn'd go above 32C on idle even when it's warm (the Thermalright 120 Ultra and lian-li PC-V2000BPlusII case help there). And it's whisper quiet with 5 120mm fans @ <1000rpm and a 140mm PSU fan.

But I still can't find a way to boot my system at 400MHz FSB without SPD enabled. It doesn't matter what timings I put in manually, even if I put the same ones that are on the SPD. As stated some posts before, it is some memory subtiming issue which we hope will be fixed in some future BIOS.

Why you can run at 400MHz FSB and be able to set your timings manually at the same time is a mystery to me.
Not too sure. The type of RAM could play a role, no? Maybe these Corsair sticks are set for SPD at those settings (but I doubt it as it would likely be a bit relaxed--I should probably change it to SPD to see what CPU-Z shows it as). Or, as I said before, maybe it could be the board revision? I know that the serial number on my first board was 68 or 69MOAG, but this one is 6AMOAG--which, from what I have read, no one has mentioned on this thread. The voltage settings are manually set for the minimum on everything except vcore (1.25) and vdimm (2.0).

I think I need to try the 120 Ultra or the new Zalman. These temps with AS5 are really irritating me. But the room where the computer is located is consistently warm.

[Brahmzy]

I couldn't set RAM timings @ 400FSB with REV 1 OCZ Platinum XTC 6400(SPD only), I RMA'd the RAM for the REV 2 stuff and can set all the timings I want @ 400+FSB.

[DarthVader]

The problem is I don't know if it was due to a change in a BIOS version, or when the FSB went above a certain speed... so I'm little help there. But the overclocking is what is causing the erratic qfan control.

Personally I'm convinced it will be something that has changed in the BIOS. After all if it was not happening back in the day when overclocking it in theory has no reason to do so now.

[kaiguy]

Personally I'm convinced it will be something that has changed in the BIOS. After all if it was not happening back in the day when overclocking it in theory has no reason to do so now.
Makes sense, but I could not for the life of me get the automatic fan control to work properly when overclocking. So I'd say its more likely that a BIOS update is what created this anomoly, rather than a setting (you really only have, what, two settings for speed control?).

[DarthVader]

Makes sense, but I could not for the life of me get the automatic fan control to work properly when overclocking. So I'd say its more likely that a BIOS update is what created this anomoly, rather than a setting (you really only have, what, two settings for speed control?).

Indeed. Hopefully it will be fixed in a later BIOS update.

[wyattcoop]

Indeed. Hopefully it will be fixed in a later BIOS update.
Beta 1602 on Asus FTP site dated 11/8/06 not sure what it updates or fixes.

[Thasp]

I just got the board, it seems like this CPU cover thing doesn't come off. Do I have to live with this thing resisting the transfer of heat the whole time? Can I take it off? Can I keep it on without my temps being slaughtered by it?

[Thasp]

Hmm, I got the cover thing off, now the stock heatsink takes the CPU out of the socket whenever I take it off.. the socket doesn't hold the CPU in anymor.

I feel lost from AMD-DFI land. :(

Oh great, there's a plastic piece on top of the metal cover that I had to take off, not remove the whole metal piece that kept the CPU in. Now I can't get the metal piece back on.

[kaiguy]

Hmm, I got the cover thing off, now the stock heatsink takes the CPU out of the socket whenever I take it off.. the socket doesn't hold the CPU in anymor.

I feel lost from AMD-DFI land. :(
I'm not sure what you're referring to... What CPU cover thing? The metal bracket that holds the CPU down?

Or, if you are referring to the pad on the heatsink/fan, that is the not supposed to be removed. It is used instead of thermal grease.

Whatever it is, though, the CPU should be firmly in place. Mine is practically bolted to the board with the metal bracket.

Added: Oh, the plastic guy. Yup, you remove that not the whole bracket. Hopefully you can get it back on, but that's going to be a problem.

[Thasp]

I just got it back on, put the CPU on. I feel like I'm putting together my first pC again - boy intel is a pain in the ass!

I just put he heatsink on. I felt like I was fighting it the whole time, I really hope I didn't crack the motherboard doing this. We'll see tonight though. :D

[fornowagain]

So, you're saying that your P5W DH Deluxe boots up OK with 400MHz FSB and manual memory timing settings? What BIOS are you using?



There are many posts in this forum from people who can't boot with manual timings and FSB higher than 360-370 MHz. I am one of them :P
What is your FSB and what BIOS are you using?
Well mine is one of the first and its always booted at 400MHz with manual timings way back to 0701.

[thorlak]

thorlak, it sounds like the only thing that's changed is your MEMORY... you might want to check whether memory voltage is set to "Auto" in BIOS. If it is, overwrite the Auto setting with the rated voltage of your memory. Keep SPD enabled too. Let us know if this works.

Hello axemanrio, I've tried setting voltage to the rated voltage of my memory and keeping SPD enabled too. This haven't solved the problem :(, I think I've tried everything... I finally will make use of the motherboard warranty and change it for a new one.

Thanks for the help:)

[Liquid3D]

Unfortunately I can't run my DDRII-1000 (PC2-8000) beyond 533MHz when I clock past 400FSB.

It's sad really given the fact I have an E6400 which does 425FSB (so far) without touching Vcore, check out the numbers below 1.29V Vcore at 425FSB

[Pol1977]

Unfortunately I can't run my DDRII-1000 (PC2-8000) beyond 533MHz when I clock past 400FSB.

It's sad really given the fact I have an E6400 which does 425FSB (so far) without touching Vcore, check out the numbers below 1.29V Vcore at 425FSB

What MHC voltage are you using for 425MHz FSB?

[cuke2u]

Thasp
Read the instructions of how to fit the CPU that comes with the CPU and your motherboard. Without following these you may have broken something quite expensive. I've just come over from AMD too and found this installation of the CPU very easy but only after I'd read up on it....
ChrisC

[Timmaah]

well bios 1503 let me boot up at 3.54ghz, all mobo vcores at max, cpu vcore at 1.5125v - got an e6600.

I feel as if ive finally hit a wall... namely fsb, ive got everything done, hyperpath disabled, spd set i just think that this motherboard doesnt like fsbs of ~400+ unless its modded... or maybe im just too scared to put anymore vcore in my cpu?

[jagt]

I see 1602 is officially out @ asus.com now. How is this compared to the 1503 beta? Does it have the boot bug?

[Stelios]

I see 1602 is officially out @ asus.com now. How is this compared to the 1503 beta? Does it have the boot bug?
No boot bug in any bios after 1503 . :)

[jagt]

Ok right. How is 1602 anyway? I'm not sure if I can be assed to flash if there's no difference. Running 1503 now.

[Thasp]

I'm doing 3.6 GHz right now at 1.5v on my e6400. 57c according to asus, 70 according to TAT. What temp can I be at before I enter the "your CPU will be dead in two months" zone?

[Pol1977]

I'm doing 3.6 GHz right now at 1.5v on my e6400. 57c according to asus, 70 according to TAT. What temp can I be at before I enter the "your CPU will be dead in two months" zone?

There should be no problem as long as you stay bellow the TJunction temp (shown in Core Temp, normally 85C for your processor). But no one can guess what long term overvoltage will do to your processor.

3.6 on a E6400 means a 450MHz FSB... What motherboard settings allow you to go this high on the FSB?

[Thasp]

I'll take detailed pictures later.

chipset voltages, I am at 1.4/1.65/1.2 on the bottom of the screen, I forget which is which, but that is the order when reading up to down.

CPU is 1.5v, I am using the lowest divider. I read around and disabled a few things, I set the PCI express to 100 and pci to 33.

I expected this to be a lot harder.

What is the stock voltage on the e6400? With all the software errors and vdroop and speedstep I have no clue what the voltage is actually supposed to be for this CPU. My opteron ran at 1.575v up from 1.35v regularly. Is this a more insane boost than the opteron, or less?

p.s.

451 FSB ;) :D

[Thasp]

Bah, froze after 30 minutes of encoding.

1.525v now.

I just got the CPU waterblock today, an MP-05. I don't have anything else yet so I can't use it. I like how it came with a baggie of tons of screws, nuts, and washers but not instructions or any piece of paper. Very smooth. :)

[Pol1977]

What is the stock voltage on the e6400?

It's 1.3V :)

[walste]

what is better with the new 1602 bios, anyone get higher clock?

[Mykou]

yeah.. i thought my bios is corrupt but then i read urs so i guess the problem came from my 8800gtx + p5w dh? ..
WTF I got same issue after installed 8800 GTS and posted for that in 3dteam !!

OMG i'm not alone ! :p: :woot: :toast: :banana:

so what clue to solve that funny pb ? :confused:

Sorry, what problem are we talking about? I have an 8800GTX with my P5W DH and don't see any problems...
It seems that some G80 users , like me too , got lags during posting and under bios settings

could you tell me please what bios settings do you have ?

tried 1602 bios without success :(

sounds weird !!

[DarthVader]

It seems that some G80 users , like me too , got lags during posting and under bios settings

could you tell me please what bios settings do you have ?

tried 1602 bios without success :(

sounds weird !!

Weird indeed - I found that when I had my XFX 8800 GTX in the machine there was a delay (sometimes quite long) anytime I wanted to go into the hardware monitor in the settings.

However, I have noticed something unusual about this new BIOS version. PC Wizard 2006 is reporting my clock speed (at idle) of around 1.6ghz (for a stock speed of 2.4ghz) and around 1.8ghz for an overclock of 2.7ghz (at least at this speed the fans don't kick in at full pelt like at 3ghz). I probably should check if it has enabled speedstep in the BIOS actually. Oh and has the hardware monitor in the BIOS been simplified with this latest update?

EDIT - Turns out speedstep was set to automatic but even disabling it does not seem to help. Has anyone else found that their CPU speed is being reported as lower than it should be?

EDIT2 - By the way does having speedstep enabled have any effect on gaming? Is it best to leave it disabled?

[Liquid3D]

I'm doing 3.6 GHz right now at 1.5v on my e6400. 57c according to asus, 70 according to TAT. What temp can I be at before I enter the "your CPU will be dead in two months" zone?


Here's a really short answer - you would be surpised to learn how many of the transistors which make up a CPU can be damaged and your CPU will still work. Heat is of course the enemy, however; voltage can and will damage a CPU regardless of how cool you chill that processor. Cooling is good, but if your constantly raising Vcore to acheive faster speeds, transistor damage will occur.

When your dealing with with a semi-conductive environment i.e. the CPU core, your dealing with an environment which is just that, "semi-conductive" meaning regions will allow voltage to travel on through unless they are "treated" or rather "doped". A CPU is essentially a series of capacitance switches otherwise known as transistors. These are tiny electrical switches which must be charged at all times since they have no moving parts. Indeed at this size it would be impossible to build a CPU with millions of tiny physical or mechnaical switches.

Capacitence switches are the foundation of your CPU and miilions of these switches not only provide the redundance needed for speed but for more complex instructions. So why is it all these switches and the channels along which current travel are housed in a semi-conductive material? For the same reason you wouldn't be able to construct a processor with millions of tiny mechancial switches, you couldn't construct mechanical switches that small nor could insulate wires betwen the switches that small. Thereforee a CPU is made using polished wafers which then have those tiny "lines" or "traces" imaged into it through what is known as Lithography. Once these patterns are projected onto the silicon that silicon is then doped with materials which insulate ensuring the current travelling along the "lines" travels where is should, similair to insulating wire in reverse. During fabrication, a process known as Voltage Threshold Dpoing occurs in which certain levels of dopant are used to confrom with certain voltages.

Another technique you may have heard of is SOI (Silicon On Insulator) where a layer of glass insulates areas around gates and helps prevent phenomenon such as Static Current Discharge and/or gate leakage. But the bottom line is some current inevitably leak's since tolerances are so close. Where talking about traces, interconnects and switches on a molecular level, ergo leakage is ocurring. This is where a substantial portion of the heat generated by your CPU derives from.

Whenever you overclock you're pushing your CPU beyond what the deisgner intended and those tolerances are already very tight. A CPU is profitable only if it is "squeezed" for every MHz or instruction you can get out of it, and then they expect a certain amount of transistor failure and lekage to occur which largely determines product warranty. After all no matter how "smaller faster cheaper" things become it's not logical to build a care that lasts forever or a CPU that lasts 20-years. It help's to remember your CPU is very close to a maximum operating threshold which is closer to failure (failure defined as malfucntion).

Now the whole point of overclocking or what I personally call "Purist Overclocking" is basically taking advanatge of the Fabruication and binning process in the CPU world. As you may or may not know when a CPU or Core is designed it costs approximately 2-billion dollars to constrcut a Fab facility for that single core, since lithography equipment and priocess changes with every die shrink. So the manufactuer deigns a core from which many thousands are made, aLL exactly the same. In other words a Allendale based Core Duo E6300 is essentially the same cpu as a Conroe Core Duo X6800. What the manufacturer does is disable half the cache, and lock the upper multiplier. There are then several methods to make your chip go faster, raise FSB or Rasie voltage and FSB.

The difference between a purist and everyopne else is that the pursit doesn't raise Vcore. In my humble opinion that's not overclocking so much as over-volting and the latter does much more damage to the chip. What the purist is doing is simply taking advantage of the binning process. When Intel produces all those CPUs they bin the X6800's from the E6300's thorugh a series of basic burn in tests, if the "batch" was ideal all pass and have the potential to become X6800's if not they find perspective bins based on more tests. The Purist OCer comes along and buys the least expensive chip[ yet gets the most expensive core unfortunately minus 2MB of cahe, can;'t do much about that. However understanding the Fabrication process is where overclocking began, as overclocker's became more sophisticated they began to identify (through forums) which "steppings" were the best overclockers. They also did this based on which Plant they came from; for example Costa Rice vs. Malaysia. Hence overclocking NOT over-volting was born. I am a Pursit I am most happy when I find a chip that keeps on going without rasing Vcore. I loathe rasing Vcore in fact.

For so many reasons I can't begin to explain them all here, the Conroe core is an exceptional overclocker, for example; Intel was building ineffcient CPUs for so long that their SOI, Lithography, and other assorted technologies to control leakage, keep tolerances tight and produce igher trnasistor counts were basically overkill when mated with the architecture of Conroe. You take all the advances made by necessity to CPU fabrication and incoperate them into a short pipelined, high IPC Core and you have their best decision in ten years. Your Conore is effectively an amalgmation of a PIII with mobile technology fabricated with todays lithopgraphy and interconnect methods and they all come together to produce some of the best performers ever. The previous Net-Burst technology which made so many millions off the ignorance of the consumer who believed speed = performance actually forced AMD into creating the PR Performance Rating system and delayed chips like this for about seven years. Conroe at around the 2.0GHz mark is now a "normal" IPC chip in todays technological world, hence the drop in speed and increase in performance.

So the purist overclocker comes along and knows if the "batch" (stepping) is good then all he/she needs to do is purchase the least exopensive model to get the fastest chip's speed, unfortunately they loose 2MB (in this case) of disabled L2 cache. this is the Overclocker's wet-dream. now when we choose the to raise Vcore we have chosen another road and this is basically a method which "tricks" the Vcore suinuwave to meet the higher voltage peaks at a faster speed. This is difficult to explain but basically traising Vcore damges transistors and floods channels and transistors with more voltage then they were designed to accomodate. This increases static current discharge, capacitance and the opportunity for current to jump across channels. Once current begins to behalf outside the designated chasnnels and leaks into the semi-conductive strata all Hell breaks loose and your CPU is NEVER the same. It doesn't repair itself and all the cooling in the world won't prevent current from doing what it does.

IN conclusion you will most likely NEVER see a dead CPU, failure occurs on the same principle a CPU is built upon, micro-processes x milions. What does happen is a file may open more slowly or such and such an execution will will see errors. it will be a slow bleeding to death by a million tiny cuts. The number of erros in your CPU will slowly increase and once they occur they are not as I said above, repair themselves. This is why I would never buy a used CPU, or any type of semi-conductor, albeit memory, VGA card etc. You si,mply don't know what the end-user did with it. Especially people who sell chips that broke world record. If they clocked that high with so few purists left you can be sure the thing was dmaaged with voltage and has millions of transistors dmaged already. it won;t be noticiable becuase it rarely is you simply get frustrated with all thsese littel erros and the hours you spend trying to fix other things is a waste of your time.

The moral of the story, toomuch voltage is the enemy. So don't use Vcore to run your CPU faster, find it's best speed at default Vcore and be happy. Only in that way can you minimize the number of transistors which would otherwise be destroyed. As In Neurophilosophy which is my area of study, the CPU is the perfect model for the human brain for many reasons. Their both essentially made of organic material, they both operate on low levels of electric current, they both have long and short term memory and they both work on a binary system. On/off that's how synpases fire between synaptic clefts and how your cognitive processes occur. Just as you get to a certain age and brain cells don't regenerate, your CPU is born at that age, ergo dmaged transistors will never regenerate. So don't let your CPU get too hot by pushing voltage into it, that's analagous to feeding your brain GHB. It may feel good for a while but too much will overheat it destryong neurons or transistors, so don't turn your CPU into a "burn-out."

[Rattle]

WTF I got same issue after installed 8800 GTS and posted for that in 3dteam !!

OMG i'm not alone ! :p: :woot: :toast: :banana:

so what clue to solve that funny pb ? :confused:


It seems that some G80 users , like me too , got lags during posting and under bios settings

could you tell me please what bios settings do you have ?

tried 1602 bios without success :(

sounds weird !!

I dont see any problems with these 2 pieces of hardware since I put them together, running 1506, no lag or any weirdness.

[Mykou]

I dont see any problems with these 2 pieces of hardware since I put them together, running 1506, no lag or any weirdness.
thanks , gonna try 1506 and see

[irenic]

Mykou, i'll wait for ur result..

[fhpchris]

The moral of the story, toomuch voltage is the enemy. So don't use Vcore to run your CPU faster, find it's best speed at default Vcore and be happy. Only in that way can you minimize the number of transistors which would otherwise be destroyed. As In Neurophilosophy which is my area of study, the CPU is the perfect model for the human brain for many reasons. Their both essentially made of organic material, they both operate on low levels of electric current, they both have long and short term memory and they both work on a binary system. On/off that's how synpases fire between synaptic clefts and how your cognitive processes occur. Just as you get to a certain age and brain cells don't regenerate, your CPU is born at that age, ergo dmaged transistors will never regenerate. So don't let your CPU get too hot by pushing voltage into it, that's analagous to feeding your brain GHB. It may feel good for a while but too much will overheat it destryong neurons or transistors, so don't turn your CPU into a "burn-out."


Temperature kills things, not a little 30% increase in voltage , although voltage can kill, just not at such a low % increase.

[Thasp]

I have read up on quantum tunneling and the effect abuse has on our CPUs before I bought the opteron. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing a 40% overvolt or that 65 nm CPUs died when overvolted by 0.15v before I did anything, thanks for the clarification.

[MacClipper]

>So don't use Vcore to run your CPU faster

Be glad you are on the P5W then, the P5B Dlx mobo I am now testing out increases Vcore on its own if the BIOS is set at AUTO. Even at idle, I have seen it go up to 1.5V bringing the temps up too...

The way AUTO Vcore setting is implemented on the P5W vs the P5B Dlx is just so different.

[fmilin]

Hi, i need some help.
I have a P5WDH with an E6600, seasonic S550+, 1 raptor 150 Gb, 1 maxtor 320 Gb sata, a X1900XT, all in a coolermaster wavemaster.
Yesterday i unmount everything to change the rad on the SB for a zalman nbf47 and to plug a plextor 760SA.
I remount everything in the case and then: no display on boot, no post only the fans working and the led on the motherboard.
I cleared the cmos during 4 hours (did it two times)
I tried different things, unmount everything, unplug everything except the graphic card, and the memory, unmount the motherboard ---> nothing still the same problem!!
And when i try to boot with no memory or no graphic card, i don't even have a bip from the motherboard !!!
Do you think the mobo is faulty (it was working perfectly well two days ago, at 3.2 G with a zalman 9500 and default voltage)

ps bios is (was 1402)

[Mykou]

Mykou, i'll wait for ur result..
Irenic there is now bios which solve our pb ..just tested 1506 and same thing

have to wait for official bios release

[Pluppo]

Hi, i need some help.
I have a P5WDH with an E6600, seasonic S550+, 1 raptor 150 Gb, 1 maxtor 320 Gb sata, a X1900XT, all in a coolermaster wavemaster.
Yesterday i unmount everything to change the rad on the SB for a zalman nbf47 and to plug a plextor 760SA.
I remount everything in the case and then: no display on boot, no post only the fans working and the led on the motherboard.
I cleared the cmos during 4 hours (did it two times)
I tried different things, unmount everything, unplug everything except the graphic card, and the memory, unmount the motherboard ---> nothing still the same problem!!
And when i try to boot with no memory or no graphic card, i don't even have a bip from the motherboard !!!
Do you think the mobo is faulty (it was working perfectly well two days ago, at 3.2 G with a zalman 9500 and default voltage)

ps bios is (was 1402)

I had a problem like this once, no beep, no post. I took the motherboard out of the case and tried taking out components one by one. I got the board to post after removing the cpu heatsink and changing the thermal paste. I don't think the problem had anything to do with the thermal paste, but I think the cpu must not have been properly seated in its socket.

Try removing the cpu heatsink as well as the cpu, and put them back on. This board needs to have the cpu in to be able to post.

[Timmaah]

every board needs the cpu in order to post :/

[fmilin]

i tried to remove the cpu, but all the same.

I just received my new board and it's working, so i am now sure the board was faulty but i don't know why !!??

[coredump]

Temperature kills things, not a little 30% increase in voltage , although voltage can kill, just not at such a low % increase.

And you know that how? Are you a trained EE? A 30% increase is a lot. I for one wouldn't want my TV to run w/ 300+V instead of 240V for which it was desgined.

[Timmaah]

well bios 1503 let me boot up at 3.54ghz, all mobo vcores at max, cpu vcore at 1.5125v - got an e6600.

I feel as if ive finally hit a wall... namely fsb, ive got everything done, hyperpath disabled, spd set i just think that this motherboard doesnt like fsbs of ~400+ unless its modded... or maybe im just too scared to put anymore vcore in my cpu?


you guys reckon ive hit a cpu wall or a fsb wall?

[njkid32]

Guys please keep on topic and stop the fighting or I'll close this thread:) Thanks!

[nicepun]

P5W DH Deluxe BIOS 1602
Fix CPU frequency incorrectly display problem on AiBooster
Enhance HDD compatibility


Link To Download Page (http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe)

Asus is really cranking out the BIOS updates...

Let's see if this is a good one.

[lawrywild]

Guys please keep on topic and stop the fighting or I'll close this thread:) Thanks!

errr :stick:

ban them, don't close my thread :nono:

[Thasp]

My latest disappointment is HD performance.

Everything here is faster, but HD performance really goes up and down here. I can go from a steady 27 MBps on LAN transfer down to 2, on a clean reboot when the computer is doing nothing. I thought it was a network issue until I tried writing video data to disk, it took twice as long as it did before.

I did a clean reinstall of windows a day after getting this system all set up. I am going to try different sata ports later, but this is no fun for now. :(

[Tranzmit]

My latest disappointment is HD performance.

Everything here is faster, but HD performance really goes up and down here. I can go from a steady 27 MBps on LAN transfer down to 2, on a clean reboot when the computer is doing nothing. I thought it was a network issue until I tried writing video data to disk, it took twice as long as it did before.

I did a clean reinstall of windows a day after getting this system all set up. I am going to try different sata ports later, but this is no fun for now. :(

Have you set the drive to enable 32 bit transfers in the bios?

[Thasp]

I never even knew there was such a setting for HDs. I never saw that on my DFI NF4-DAGF before. I will look for it, but if it is not set to enable 32 bit by default, then I do not have it set.

[kevsta112003]

thasp what bios did you get 450 fsb with?

[Thasp]

1503, it was stock.

Orthos gives me 83c at full load.. this is insane. I need my watercooling to get here soon. :(

Can I use winflash with this mobo like I did with my old DFI? The mobo manufacturers must be schizophrenic - it's 2006, but they still use floppy disks for BIOS flashing.. ? :(

[syne_24]

1503, it was stock.

Orthos gives me 83c at full load.. this is insane. I need my watercooling to get here soon. :(

Can I use winflash with this mobo like I did with my old DFI? The mobo manufacturers must be schizophrenic - it's 2006, but they still use floppy disks for BIOS flashing.. ? :(


If you have a usb thumb drive it's the best way to flash with this mobo. Load the bios file in the usb drive and stick it in the computer. Reboot into bios and go find EZ Flash in there and it takes you to your usb thumb drive, and load the bios file from there.

[Thasp]

How about a UMS MP3 player? I don't have a thumb drive.

Can I put the files onto a CD and go from there?

[syne_24]

I dunno about that, maybe try it? If the pc recognize it as a removable disk type and you can store the bios file in there, I dont see why it wouldnt work. I used to do the cd method with the nv boards, but I havent try it with this one yet. Just get a usb flash drive, it's very convenient for loading basic drivers and stuff, also there are tons of them for like under $20

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2013240522+1309421168&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=522

[Thasp]

I could buy a flash drive, but buying one to flash a BIOS is the wrong reason to - it should never require extra money to do what the product should be capable of doing on its own.

I load drivers by keeping my OS and data partitions seperate. I go into a setup folder, have programs and drivers in a seperate folder.

I will have to try a CD.

Do newer BIOSes let you set RAM subtimings? That's the only reason I care about this. I am annoyed at my :banana::banana::banana::banana:tacular RAM's inability to do more than boot into windows and freeze at 2.2v, 5-5-5-15 DDR900. It's 3-4-4-12 DDR 677 2.2v right now which passed lots of memtest. Even though the timings are tight for DDR2, it burns me that I'm running it below stock because I can't use the next-up divider of DDR900 with any kind of timings. :(

[NghtShd]

How about a UMS MP3 player? I don't have a thumb drive.

Can I put the files onto a CD and go from there?

I've done it using my mp3 player.

[cuke2u]

Hi, I've just flashed the bios using my usb memory stick and found that it didn't reset the bios settings. Thus I will not be using this method and will go back to using Asus Flash, which does...
ChrisC

[Sparx]

1503, it was stock.

Orthos gives me 83c at full load.. this is insane. I need my watercooling to get here soon. :(

Can I use winflash with this mobo like I did with my old DFI? The mobo manufacturers must be schizophrenic - it's 2006, but they still use floppy disks for BIOS flashing.. ? :(
Have you pulled your heat sink and verified full contact with the surface of the CPU?

I had the same issue with my Big Typhoon (replaced with Ultra 120 now) after removing it found I had only 50% contact!

sparx

[irenic]

flashed to 1602 and the bios lagginess is still there.. :(

[Thasp]

Have you pulled your heat sink and verified full contact with the surface of the CPU?

I had the same issue with my Big Typhoon (replaced with Ultra 120 now) after removing it found I had only 50% contact!

sparx

Twice. I put thermal paste on the CPU in a conservative layer, then put a small drop in the middle, like I usually do. Then I put it on, twisted it a tiny bit, and screwed it on very tightly.

I tried that BIOS option and moving it over one sata port, it's still 27 MBps on LAN transfer and even faster writing video, and sometimes 1-2 MBps.. :(

[Cornel]

Weird indeed - I found that when I had my XFX 8800 GTX in the machine there was a delay (sometimes quite long) anytime I wanted to go into the hardware monitor in the settings.

However, I have noticed something unusual about this new BIOS version. PC Wizard 2006 is reporting my clock speed (at idle) of around 1.6ghz (for a stock speed of 2.4ghz) and around 1.8ghz for an overclock of 2.7ghz (at least at this speed the fans don't kick in at full pelt like at 3ghz). I probably should check if it has enabled speedstep in the BIOS actually. Oh and has the hardware monitor in the BIOS been simplified with this latest update?

EDIT - Turns out speedstep was set to automatic but even disabling it does not seem to help. Has anyone else found that their CPU speed is being reported as lower than it should be?

EDIT2 - By the way does having speedstep enabled have any effect on gaming? Is it best to leave it disabled?

I have a xfx 8800 gtx card, and it's a delay in post with this videocard.
I have 1503 bios.

[DarthVader]

I have a xfx 8800 gtx card, and it's a delay in post with this videocard.
I have 1503 bios.

I presume this issue applies to all 8800 GTXs rather than just the XFX one?

[Sparx]

Twice. I put thermal paste on the CPU in a conservative layer, then put a small drop in the middle, like I usually do. Then I put it on, twisted it a tiny bit, and screwed it on very tightly.

I tried that BIOS option and moving it over one sata port, it's still 27 MBps on LAN transfer and even faster writing video, and sometimes 1-2 MBps.. :(
Are you get the 80c temp read from Core Temp Ver-0.93?
sparx

[Severance]

hey guys i need help. this is my first post so im not very experienced. I have read all 80+ pages and have tried everything but still cant get over 360fsb.
x6800
p5wdh mb
corsair 5400pro with those lights on them.I have already fried my new corsair8500c5 trying to get them to run at 1066. Can somebody just post a link of all bios settings i need to set to get over 360fsb please...would help me alot thanx

[scaramonga]

flashed to 1602 and the bios lagginess is still there..

Ah.....so its not just me...lol........damned irritating the BIOS lag :(

Also.....when I turned on PC today the BIOS was reporting 'overclocking or voltage overclock failure'.......press F1 to go to Setup??

I don't have the thing overclocked!!........just rebooted and all was OK?.......anyone had this?

[nanoprobe32]

hey guys i need help. this is my first post so im not very experienced. I have read all 80+ pages and have tried everything but still cant get over 360fsb.
x6800
p5wdh mb
corsair 5400pro with those lights on them.I have already fried my new corsair8500c5 trying to get them to run at 1066. Can somebody just post a link of all bios settings i need to set to get over 360fsb please...would help me alot thanx


Its a ram timing problem (safty feature)
when you boot at FSB 360+ the asus 975 boards
are more stricter with SPD timmings if your pushing high FSB

so when you set manual memory timings then save and reboot
it no's your ram cant run @ those speeds so it gives you a black screen

so now it then wants you to set auto SPD but the problem now is your memory is running way slack timmings

look at your SPD tables and i bet you they suck

so the only way to solve it, is buy ram that has aggrasive timings in the
SPD tables like the teams xtreem,Cellshock, Gskill, and you will boot 400 fsb with manual timings no problem.

i have found this out with my pw5 64 workstation
changed ram and no more 360 fsb bug
can boot @ 400 fsb 1.1 with memory

hope this helps alot of folks i spent ages trying to solve this.

[Severance]

so your saying that if i enable spd i can go over 360? cus iv tried that too.


Its a ram timing problem (safty feature)
when you boot at FSB 360+ the asus 975 boards
are more stricter with SPD timmings if your pushing high FSB

so when you set manual memory timings then save and reboot
it no's your ram cant run @ those speeds so it gives you a black screen

so now it then wants you to set auto SPD but the problem now is your memory is running way slack timmings

look at your SPD tables and i bet you they suck

so the only way to solve it, is buy ram that has aggrasive timings in the
SPD tables like the teams xtreem,Cellshock, Gskill, and you will boot 400 fsb with manual timings no problem.

i have found this out with my pw5 64 workstation
changed ram and no more 360 fsb bug
can boot @ 400 fsb 1.1 with memory

hope this helps alot of folks i spent ages trying to solve this.

[Mykou]

f

Ah.....so its not just me...lol........damned irritating the BIOS lag :(

Also.....when I turned on PC today the BIOS was reporting 'overclocking or voltage overclock failure'.......press F1 to go to Setup??

I don't have the thing overclocked!!........just rebooted and all was OK?.......anyone had this?
Syne24,Irenic and I got the same lag issue during post .

:banana: :banana:

[nanoprobe32]

so your saying that if i enable spd i can go over 360? cus iv tried that too.


look @ your SPD tables with CPUz and post a screenshot

[Severance]

if i could just get it to boot with auto mem timings that would be ok cus i could just use memset to lower them? but i cant get it past 360fsb using auto spd


Its a ram timing problem (safty feature)
when you boot at FSB 360+ the asus 975 boards
are more stricter with SPD timmings if your pushing high FSB

so when you set manual memory timings then save and reboot
it no's your ram cant run @ those speeds so it gives you a black screen

so now it then wants you to set auto SPD but the problem now is your memory is running way slack timmings

look at your SPD tables and i bet you they suck

so the only way to solve it, is buy ram that has aggrasive timings in the
SPD tables like the teams xtreem,Cellshock, Gskill, and you will boot 400 fsb with manual timings no problem.

i have found this out with my pw5 64 workstation
changed ram and no more 360 fsb bug
can boot @ 400 fsb 1.1 with memory

hope this helps alot of folks i spent ages trying to solve this.

[Severance]

yes i see that timings are very loose when using auto spd. But why wont it boot?



if i could just get it to boot with auto mem timings that would be ok cus i could just use memset to lower them? but i cant get it past 360fsb using auto spd

[nanoprobe32]

your way above your ram limit, it problay would have to run
cas6 to hit over 360

even the corsair XMS2-8500C5 have very poor SPD timings
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9144/cpuzei9.png

Team Xtreem PC6400
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3792/spdyd0.jpg

cellshock PC6400
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4263/cellshockih9.jpg


so guess out of those 3 rams that will run into the 975 bug
corsair compatable spd timings myth

the Team Xtreem PC6400 and cellshock wont have the FSB bug over 360
simply because their programmed correctly.

[Liquid3D]

hey guys i need help. this is my first post so im not very experienced. I have read all 80+ pages and have tried everything but still cant get over 360fsb.
x6800
p5wdh mb
corsair 5400pro with those lights on them.I have already fried my new corsair8500c5 trying to get them to run at 1066. Can somebody just post a link of all bios settings i need to set to get over 360fsb please...would help me alot thanx

I just wanted to ask how did the 8500 "fry" what gave you this indiator? Did you test the memory in another system before RMAing it? I have the feeling you RMA'd the memory and then someone told you to clear CMOS which means you sent back a perfectly good kit of memory.

This is not meant as an insult or accusation just a question. SPD is not ideal but unfortunately it may nbe the way the BIOS was written with Corsair in mind as the memory maker. Of course if you have PC2-5400 you can't really overclock when you consider your working off a 1066FSB (or you have to start with 266FSB not 200FSB) so the Memory Divisor must be 266FSB x 2.5 = 675 (665 actually) so this would be a motherboard which would have benefitted from divisors displayed as they are instead of displaying the memory speed, such as 400, 533, 567, 800 etc.

Now if you take 266 x 4 = 1066 x 8 = 8500 (PC2-8500) now we need someone with more timne better at math then me to figure out where many end-users are making mistakes with their settings? I know I can't run my system at 425FSB or even 400FSB without dropping the memory divisor to 675MHz.

[Severance]

ok nowu got my attention lol. luckily i have not sent them back yet. Heres how it happend. I installed a water cooling kit. went to boot up it wouldent. I think then we reset cmos. still wouldent boot. Then we tried other ram and it booted. tried the corsair again it would boot only with 1 stick but not the other. left the 1 stick at the comp shop came home booted using the 1 stick but it would hang trying to get into hardware monitor. took it out put in pair of corsair 5400 sticks and all is good. So what did i do? jump the gun?


I just wanted to ask how did the 8500 "fry" whayt gave you this indocator? Did you test the memory in another system before RMAing it? I have the feeling you RMA'd the memory and then someone told you to clear CMOS which means you sent back a perfectly good kit of memory.

This is not meant as an insuklt or accusation just a question. SPD is not ideal but unfortunately it may nbe the way the BIOS was written with Corsair in mind as the memory maker. Of course if you have PC2-5400 you can't really overclock when you consider your working off a 1066FSB (or you have to start with 266FSB not 200FSB) so the Memory Divisor must be 266FSB x 2.5 = 675 (665 actually) so this would be a motherboard which would have benefitted from divisors displayed as they are instead of displaying the memory speed, such as 400, 533, 567, 800 etc.

Now if you take 266 x 4 = 1066 x 8 = 8500 (PC2-8500) now we need someone with more timne better at math then me to figure out where many end-users are making mistakes with their settings? I know I can't run my system at 425FSB or even 400FSB without dropping the memory divisor to 675MHz.

[Sparx]

Is it me or does it seem many people have issue with Corsair Ram and this board. I have noticed this more than a few times while reading on the Asus P5w, in various threads.

About two weeks ago another guy had one dead stick and went through power supplies etc until he checked the RAM- found the Corsair was the culprit 1 dead stick, same error you reported first post Sererance overvolting vdimm error bla-bla-bla.

I run 1:1 400 x 9 4-4-4 12-4 no issues with G.skill, but you have a E6800 right?
sparx
Edit: here is that guy's post I mention in the text above, back about 10 pages right here on this very thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110193&page=76 (see thickfog)

[Severance]

x6800....
Is it me or does it seem many people have issue with Corsair Ram and this board. I have noticed this more than a few times while reading on the Asus P5w, in various threads.

About two weeks ago another guy had one dead stick and went through power supplies etc until he checked the RAM- found the Corsair was the culprit 1 dead stick, same error you reported first post Sererance overvolting vdimm error bla-bla-bla.

I run 1:1 400 x 9 4-4-4 12-4 no issues with G.skill, but you have a E6800 right?
sparx
Edit: here is that guy's post I mention in the text above, back about 10 pages right here on this very thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110193&page=76 (see thickfog)

[irenic]

for your guys information, i never had problem setting the mem manually and i manage to hit 430 fsb with both my E6400 week 28 and my E6600 week 29.

my ram is Mushkin EM2 DDR2 800 with green heatspreader. the rated timing is sux, 800mhz @ 5-5-5-12 but this ram is great as i manage to oc stable until 1088mhz :D

[Sparx]

x6800....
Ok so you are at 2.9 stock.
Corsair RAM seems to have issues.

[Severance]

it does seem that way. just tried lower multiplier lower ram ratio..cpu running at 2.3 ram at 533 fsb at 370. shes a no go. By running ram that low have i counted out the mem timing theory at 370? or am i just an idiot?

Ok so you are at 2.9 stock.
Corsair RAM seems to have issues.

[Severance]

to tellu guys the truth..i dont know why im trying to run fsb so high anyways cus anything over 340fsb and my crossfire dies anyways. I need to uninstall drivers reinstall them and sometimes it works sometimes not. when it does work if i go above 340fsb crossfire dies again. what i mean by die is...in games there are artifacts when i disable 1 vid card all is good but with both running its messed up

[Timmaah]

running my e6600 at 3.0ghz, rams at 1ghz - spd. g-skill 2x1gb "hz" ram

Just was wondering... my timings according to cpu-z are:

frequency: 500.2mhz
fsb:dram : 2:3
CAS# Latency: 5.0clocks
RAS# to CAS# Delay Latency: 6 clocks
RAS# Precharge: 6 clocks
Cycle Time (Tras) 18 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (Trc) 21 clocks

System is stable, bf2 works fine for couple hours as does games like fsx, havent checked orthos but i imagine it is...

Would it be advisible to make the timings tighter? Or would there be no real performance boost from it, and also if if would be advisible to make the timings tighter what would the bios settings be?

Thanks.

[Sparx]

Timmaah
You should be able to run 4-4-4-12-4 with that RAM. I am using 2.05 volts on my ram btw.

Try it and test with Orthos it will act up within 3 hours if there is an issue.
Also run 3d05 and check the performace with your settings then run it again to test with new settings and compare.
Sandra (test program) also can be used to test performance.

[Thasp]

Using a CD with only the ROM file loaded did not work for that ezflash thing under tools in the BIOS, I will try putting onto CD what it wants me to put onto a floppy. Unless it's one of those things where you give the program your floppy drive letter and it makes the floppy for you. :(

[Potato Salad]

Timmaah
You should be able to run 4-4-4-12-4 with that RAM. I am using 2.05 volts on my ram btw.

Try it and test with Orthos it will act up within 3 hours if there is an issue.
Also run 3d05 and check the performace with your settings then run it again to test with new settings and compare.
Sandra (test program) also can be used to test performance.

Just curious Sparx why do you suggest 3d05 to check for stability and not 06 or another program??

[syne_24]

Using a CD with only the ROM file loaded did not work for that ezflash thing under tools in the BIOS, I will try putting onto CD what it wants me to put onto a floppy. Unless it's one of those things where you give the program your floppy drive letter and it makes the floppy for you. :(


when i flashed it with the cd method on the NF4 board, i think i had to put the flash tool file with the bios, and select that drive as priority boot in order to run it. You didnt try the usb mp3 player flash method? Someone said it works for them, just do a manual cmos reset when your done.

[nicepun]

to tellu guys the truth..i dont know why im trying to run fsb so high anyways cus anything over 340fsb and my crossfire dies anyways. I need to uninstall drivers reinstall them and sometimes it works sometimes not. when it does work if i go above 340fsb crossfire dies again. what i mean by die is...in games there are artifacts when i disable 1 vid card all is good but with both running its messed up

What? I never had this problem back when I had X1900 CF Setup and my current one. Also, I currently have the mem in my (Corsair) working fine.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=139583

[revenant]

to tellu guys the truth..i dont know why im trying to run fsb so high anyways cus anything over 340fsb and my crossfire dies anyways. I need to uninstall drivers reinstall them and sometimes it works sometimes not. when it does work if i go above 340fsb crossfire dies again. what i mean by die is...in games there are artifacts when i disable 1 vid card all is good but with both running its messed up

hard set the pci-e frequency to 100mhz and pci-e sync to 33.3mhz.. that should help. after doing that my CF setup was good to go up to 400mhz on the fsb.

[Potato Salad]

I believe you should always reset bios after flashing..
Right after flashing on reboot, load setup defaults, then when it reboots, go back in bios then change what you need to..:)

[Jaap74]

Hi,

My Rig :
E6700, Asus P5W DH Deluxe, Corsair 2GB XMS2-8500C5, Tuniq Tower

Having some OC problems with these settings with BIOS 1506 :

CPU Frequency: 350MHz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 700MHz (1:1)
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 100
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.20V
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.4V
FSB Termination: 1.4
MCH Chipset Voltage: Auto
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (per RAM specs 5-5-5-15)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Auto
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

Under advanced CPU settings:

Microcode Updation: Enabled
Everything else: Disabled

I have every device Disabled that I don't need eg. RAID controller, Serial Port etc etc

Problem is that with these setting I run Prime95 or Orthos and it immedietely gives me errors.

Any idea's what mistakes I've made ?

Cheers

[flashnc]

raise your Vcore to say 1.475 ( then any voltage higher that temps allow you as you overclock higher, keep an eye on temperatures)
MCH to 1.65
ICH to 2.0
dram throttling-disabled

make sure all the qfan and anything to do with fan settings are disabled also

[Sparx]

Just curious Sparx why do you suggest 3d05 to check for stability and not 06 or another program??
3D06 is great too, I have been lazy not downloading 3d06. :D

Jaap74set Pcie to 105

sparx

[Timmaah]

well i used memset and set it to 5-5-5-12 expecting the pc to freeze, i cant find the trc value though in memset 3.0. Pc didnt freeze so im pleasantly surprised, even though the tras is 26 and not 10 :|

[Severance]

When my corsair c5 was alive i was able to get it to 510mhz stable with 4449 timings but not 1066 55515 as for the crossfire... dont know why im having problems getting over 340fsb. im using asus 1950s.



What? I never had this problem back when I had X1900 CF Setup and my current one. Also, I currently have the mem in my (Corsair) working fine.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=139583

[seanmcgpa]

Hey guys... upgraded to the new 1602 BIOS and now can't increase the multiplier of my x6800 to 13. Anyone else notice this?

In 1503 I have the multiplier=13 for 3.46ghz, ram at DDR2-1067 for PC-8500 - very fast.

Not sure if they added something that I am missing or not ...

[tompl]

Hi,
Ive errors in memtest x86, while running test 7:

Test 7 [Random number sequence]

This test writes a series of random numbers into memory. By resetting the seed for the random number the same sequence of number can be created for a reference. The initial pattern is checked and then complemented and checked again on the next pass. However, unlike the moving inversions test writing and checking can only be done in the forward direction.

My cfg:
* Intel duo 2 e6400: 400x6
* DDR2 PC6400C4 Corsair 2x512

It only happens when running in DUAL CHANNEL !!

I dont know what to do, please help me. I tried to disable all features in bios but with no effect.

What is better: run in dual channel or fsb2ram 1:1 ?

/edit

Tested with 300x8 and ram at 800mhz, works fine.

[kaiguy]

Hi,
Ive errors in memtest x86, while running test 7:

Test 7 [Random number sequence]

This test writes a series of random numbers into memory. By resetting the seed for the random number the same sequence of number can be created for a reference. The initial pattern is checked and then complemented and checked again on the next pass. However, unlike the moving inversions test writing and checking can only be done in the forward direction.

My cfg:
* Intel duo 2 e6400: 400x6
* DDR2 PC6400C4 Corsair 2x512

It only happens when running in DUAL CHANNEL !!

I dont know what to do, please help me. I tried to disable all features in bios but with no effect.

What is better: run in dual channel or fsb2ram 1:1 ?

/edit

Tested with 300x7 and ram at 800mhz, works fine.

Try putting your RAM in the other two dual channel slots. Sometimes those slots can be picky.

[pphx459]

Hey guys, it's been awhile since I've overclocked, but like many others, I found this thread to be very helpful.

I don't know if this problem is strange or not, but my settings are as follows:

CPU Frequency: 400MHz (e6600)
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 800MHz (1:1) - G.skill
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 101
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.15V
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.61V (1.58 reported by asus probe)
FSB Termination: 1.2
MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.65
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (per RAM specs 4-4-4-12)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Disabled
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

So I'm running dual prime 95 with the custom settings - max FFT at 900, and memory usage at 1790kb for both. I made this mistake as I really meant to put 900kb for memory usage on both instances of prime 95. It's strange that with the settings like this, I can run 18hours+ of this and everything is fine. However, when I left the max FFT to default at 4096, and memory usage at 900kb, 1 instance of prime will crash within minutes. Can anyone explain why this is?


Am I at the limit with my cpu? I've tried all voltage settings from 1.56 -> 1.61 and it seems like 1.61 (1.58 in asus probe) has allowed me to run dual prime 95 at 400fsb, but with the above problem. This chip was able to run at least 370fsb at 1.4v. Seems like too high of a jump in vcore to hit 400fsb. Heat doesn't seem to be a problem as I'm running a watercooling setup (cpu doesnt hit over 40C) as well as an active cooler on the nb (nb doesnt hit over 50c). I've tried everything including changing bios to 1602, reverted back to 1503 now. I've changed VMCH to 1.8+ and vdimm set to SPD/manual at 2.2 vdimm, FSB termination to 1.3, swapped memory slots, etc and nothing seems to help except the vcore increase.

One last thing to note: I'm able to run 3dmark loop at 400fsb w/ 1.56v(1.52-1.53v) for 24+ hours and memtest86 for 24+ hours without any problems. I'm also able to play bf2102 and company of heroes for hours without any problems as well.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Edit: It's the chip, set the multiplier at 8 and runs 400mhz w/o any probs.

[MacClipper]

S3 resume JMicron problems seem to be solved by the 10 Oct 06 beta JMB36X drivers, have done 4 proper S3 resumes so far. Hoping this is the real thing at last!

:D

[tompl]

Try putting your RAM in the other two dual channel slots. Sometimes those slots can be picky.
I tried, but with no effect.

Can somebody help me?

I dont know whats going on, with it.
Now i have set fsb 375x7, with fsb:ddram ratio 1:1 and works fine. When i closing to fsb 400, i get many errors ~7 in one pass, passing 400mhz fsb number of errors increase.

390 is max speed, without error

[Gascogne]

It's the chip, set the multiplier at 8 and runs 400mhz w/o any probs.
How do one change the multiplier? :confused:
*edit*
Found it. :o

[Jaap74]

raise your Vcore to say 1.475 ( then any voltage higher that temps allow you as you overclock higher, keep an eye on temperatures)
MCH to 1.65
ICH to 2.0
dram throttling-disabled

set Pcie to 105



yep i did as you suggested but Orthos still dies after 40 seconds.... Prime95 lasted 13 mins

[rpr]

your way above your ram limit, it problay would have to run
cas6 to hit over 360

even the corsair XMS2-8500C5 have very poor SPD timings
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9144/cpuzei9.png

Team Xtreem PC6400
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3792/spdyd0.jpg

cellshock PC6400
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4263/cellshockih9.jpg


so guess out of those 3 rams that will run into the 975 bug
corsair compatable spd timings myth

the Team Xtreem PC6400 and cellshock wont have the FSB bug over 360
simply because their programmed correctly.
I'm lost. I also can't boot over 360fsb, and I have tried everything. I can boot at all stock voltages and run completely stable at 356fsb with SPD timings (1:1 and 5:4 memory ratios).

If I try 360fsb, with Auto SPD (PC6400 OCZ Platinum Rev 2 at any divider, including running below rated speed) I can't boot, nor can I run stable even if I crank all my voltages up.

So what is keeping me from posting at 360fsb or above???

[Sparx]

You got Pcie set at 105 in Bios?
Also you might want to try 1503 BOIS.

[Potato Salad]

Guys I need help here..
This is not pertaining to this thread, so please don't flame me..
This is the only username/password I could remember..
I just installed Windows Vista, and I'm having a hard time finding drivers for it, I think it installed it's own drivers for eveything..
But I can't find drivers for my 8800 GTS, + I can't use the Asus Installed disk for my P5WDH Deluxe..
Can someone do me a favor and find me some links for drivers and things so I can get back up running fully..
And clock this baby up again...:)

Thankyou so MUUUCH...guys.

[syne_24]

I'm lost. I also can't boot over 360fsb, and I have tried everything. I can boot at all stock voltages and run completely stable at 356fsb with SPD timings (1:1 and 5:4 memory ratios).

If I try 360fsb, with Auto SPD (PC6400 OCZ Platinum Rev 2 at any divider, including running below rated speed) I can't boot, nor can I run stable even if I crank all my voltages up.

So what is keeping me from posting at 360fsb or above???

Flash 1503 Bios and try these settings:

CPU Frequency: 400MHz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800MHz (1:1)
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 101
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.25V
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.5v *if it doesnt boot keep upping it till it boots; if it does boot run orthos an hour, if it fails then go back up more vcore, if it doesnt then go back lower it a bit and rerun orthos
FSB Termination: 1.4
MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.65V *you have the older board no 1.85vmch, avoid running divider for your ram @ 1000; some board need 1.75v to get stable with that
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (use rated timing such as 4-4-4-12 etc..)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Enabled
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

Under advanced CPU settings:

Microcode Updation: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled
*Everything else: Disabled*

Under device settings:

1394 Controller: Disabled
PCIE GbE LAN 1 or 2: Disabled (the one you're not using)
Jmicron SATA: Disabled (if not use)
Serial Port Address: Disabled

[BobyTT]

Hi guys is there anybody who is running QX6700 at ASUS P5W DH DLX?
And if yes.
What OC he was able to reach? I am sort of stuck at 3200MHz ,

and i think there is something wrong with my temperature

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8876/tempdf9.jpg

This is what Core Temp shows me , so i think i messed ups something with installation of the Tuniq Tower.

[775911]

7 degree difference does seem a bit much but the temp could be about right.

[Nitrium]

Any solution yet to the PIO mode-only problem using the Intel IDE port? I switched to the JMicron port, but having a streched cable over the soundcard really stinks...

Thanks.

[Gascogne]

Flash 1503 Bios and try these settings:

CPU Frequency: 400MHz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800MHz (1:1)
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 101
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.25V
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.5v *if it doesnt boot keep upping it till it boots; if it does boot run orthos an hour, if it fails then go back up more vcore, if it doesnt then go back lower it a bit and rerun orthos
FSB Termination: 1.4
MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.65V *you have the older board no 1.85vmch, avoid running divider for your ram @ 1000; some board need 1.75v to get stable with that
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (use rated timing such as 4-4-4-12 etc..)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Enabled
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

Under advanced CPU settings:

Microcode Updation: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled
*Everything else: Disabled*

Under device settings:

1394 Controller: Disabled
PCIE GbE LAN 1 or 2: Disabled (the one you're not using)
Jmicron SATA: Disabled (if not use)
Serial Port Address: Disabled

Tried that and I was able to boot up but I can't get it stable past 390 FSB.
It so damn hard to get to 400 FSB on this motherboard. :stick:

[pancito]

Tried that and I was able to boot up but I can't get it stable past 390 FSB.
It so damn hard to get to 400 FSB on this motherboard. :stick:

Thats wierd, i can get 400 easily.

How is your NB Cooling? i ripped apart the HOME and Asus logo from NB and SB and installed 2 40mm fans on them my temps have gone down a lot to run 1.75 MCH and 2v ICH with out problem, I don't have the magical B stepping CPU as everybody else. but I manage to boot with out a problem at 400x8 in my 6400.

My approach to OC is max everything in Bios in terms of Voltages, except Memory because mine will not run on anything ABOVE 2.30 (even with cooling). and start at FSB 333, if its start run 20mins of orthos and if stable, up to 350,380,400 There is a whole in my OC adventure when 1 time i was able to boot at 450 and be stable but with vCore of 1.6 since I was in air i didn't feel comfortable at core temps of around 70-72.

For 400x8 I normally need MCH at least at 1.65 or 1.75 and vCore of 1.4250 other values don't matter much... Remember to disable everything you don't need (JMicron, Serial, LAN2, etc etc.)

[pancito]

Why do you guys recommend 105 Mhz in PCI-E instead of the normal 100? i have read almost all of the 90+ pages but can't find why...

[rpr]

Flash 1503 Bios and try these settings:

CPU Frequency: 400MHz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800MHz (1:1)
Performance Mode: Standard
PCI Express Frequency: 101
PCI Clock Synchronization Mode: 33.33
Memory Voltage: 2.25V
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.5v *if it doesnt boot keep upping it till it boots; if it does boot run orthos an hour, if it fails then go back up more vcore, if it doesnt then go back lower it a bit and rerun orthos
FSB Termination: 1.4
MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.65V *you have the older board no 1.85vmch, avoid running divider for your ram @ 1000; some board need 1.75v to get stable with that
ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO
Digital Home Mode: Disabled

Under Advanced Chipset:

DRAM Timings by SPD: Manual (use rated timing such as 4-4-4-12 etc..)
DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled
Hyper Path 3: Disabled
DRAM Throttling Threshold: Enabled
*All PEG Settings AUTO*

Under advanced CPU settings:

Microcode Updation: Enabled
Virtualization Technology: Enabled
*Everything else: Disabled*

Under device settings:

1394 Controller: Disabled
PCIE GbE LAN 1 or 2: Disabled (the one you're not using)
Jmicron SATA: Disabled (if not use)
Serial Port Address: Disabled
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

[syne_24]

Tried that and I was able to boot up but I can't get it stable past 390 FSB.
It so damn hard to get to 400 FSB on this motherboard. :stick:


So you were able to boot, what's your vcore at with 400x9? Keep raising it and rerun orthos to isolate the problem if its coming from the cpu. I usually do 3 simple vcore range to tell if my e6600 is good or not such as: 1.35v (1st class), 1.45v (2nd class), 1.55v (3rd class). Once you can boot with one of those at 400x9 then you need to keep upping or lowering it by little and rerun orthos until stable.

Edit: I should also added you guys with the 400fsb problem have already reapply some AS5 in the northbridge and hopefully are not running it passive right? You need a fan on the northbridge for this board, I would highly recommend it if you'r having stability problem.

[Sparx]

I agree completley about a fan for the MCH or Northbridge. That HS measures about 78C at its base with active cooling and about 40C with a 40mm fan on it.

sparx

[Gascogne]

So you were able to boot, what's your vcore at with 400x9? Keep raising it and rerun orthos to isolate the problem if its coming from the cpu. I usually do 3 simple vcore range to tell if my e6600 is good or not such as: 1.35v (1st class), 1.45v (2nd class), 1.55v (3rd class). Once you can boot with one of those at 400x9 then you need to keep upping or lowering it by little and rerun orthos until stable.

Edit: I should also added you guys with the 400fsb problem have already reapply some AS5 in the northbridge and hopefully are not running it passive right? You need a fan on the northbridge for this board, I would highly recommend it if you'r having stability problem.

Yes I have added AS5 to the northbridge and such, but is a fan really needed if the temperature is around 36 degress celsius?

I would rate my E6600 as 4th class due to it is really volt hungry, it needs around 1.65v (36-37 degress celcius idle).
Batch code: L624A606

[Sparx]

Yes I have added AS5 to the northbridge and such, but is a fan really needed if the temperature is around 36 degress celsius?

I would rate my E6600 as 4th class due to it is really volt hungry, it needs around 1.65v (36-37 degress celcius idle).
Batch code: L624A606
That is a very good temp without a fan.
Are you using the factory HS and taking temp from base of HS?
sparx

[Gascogne]

That is a very good temp without a fan.
Are you using the factory HS and taking temp from base of HS?
sparx
Yes it is factory HS and Im using Asus Pc Probe to see the temp.

[STaRGaZeR]

Yes I have added AS5 to the northbridge and such, but is a fan really needed if the temperature is around 36 degress celsius?

I would rate my E6600 as 4th class due to it is really volt hungry, it needs around 1.65v (36-37 degress celcius idle).
Batch code: L624A606

If you are reading that temps from the sensor called "MB sensor", you must know that it´s placed in the southbridge, not northbridge :)

[syne_24]

Yes I have added AS5 to the northbridge and such, but is a fan really needed if the temperature is around 36 degress celsius?

I would rate my E6600 as 4th class due to it is really volt hungry, it needs around 1.65v (36-37 degress celcius idle).
Batch code: L624A606


Yes the week 24 which is one of the first batch that came out as retail, needed a lot of vcore for staility. My first one needed 1.58v to get stable and about 6 other week 24's I had needed around 1.53-1.57v as well. You did good, atleast you isolated the problem to the point where you know it's the cpu that is what holding you back. My recommendation is to get a latest B batch E6600, they normally do very well with much lower vcore. As matter of fact the B batch is what got me interested in these Conroe again, frankly I was getting kinda bored.

[Sparx]

If you are reading that temps from the sensor called "MB sensor", you must know that it´s placed in the southbridge, not northbridge :)
:nono:

I have a proble stuck in the MCH HS to get a reading.
@ 27C ambient 39 mch idle.
sparx

[tompl]

why do u increase memory voltage, when u dont overclock it?

[Sparx]

why do u increase memory voltage, when u dont overclock it?
I don't know who is doing that but 1.35 is good for a E6600.
jim