ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

[X7007]

Not sure I can show you a SCREENshot but here's a photo:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1228581/Q6600PAKEDATE.jpg

totally awsome m8, exacly what i needed :clap: :D

[begundal]

Yep, blind as a bat.... LOL
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2052882&postcount=4184
after i saw your pic i found it
thanks bichi

i could've swore that option wasn't there before :o

[dddan]

Hello chaps, I'm in a bit of a fix and wonder if you can help?

I've recently bought the P5WDH mobo - love it, although to say it has it's quirks is understating things somewhat. Anyway, I was running the 2205 bios which I found totally stable, except that it would disable the sound every time I rebooted.

Hoping that an update would fix this, I tried the 2206 beta that has been mentioned. Asus Update erased the eeprom but then refused to load any bios file, even the backup of the original I made before starting.

Now my PC won't boot - won't even post. I switch on the machine and it checks both cdroms but won't load anything (the board I got was an oem version and didn't come with a recovery cd - in fact, it didn't come with anything). I've tried making a CDrom with only the P5WDH.ROM file on it and switching on with it inserted, leaving it for half an hour, but it hasn't done the trick. Am I missing something? Does it look for a disk with a particular name or something?

Is there

a) anywhere I can download the recovery CD

or

b) some way I can make one

or

c) anything else I can do to try and get this board to reload a rom?

I have a C2D so I'm guessing that's a sticking point - someone mentioned sticking a Celeron or old P4 in there just to reflash the bios, but I don't have one and really hope there's another way.

Any help you can give a n00b on this would be much appreciated.

[lawrywild]

Try this:

http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?type=3&id=177&desc=asus_p5w_dh___retail_conroe_bios_issues

You could modify the .iso with a newer bios yourself (with PowerISO). Rename 2004 to the same bios as on this image and replace it, then burn)

EDIT: actually you can't replace the bios on the image, seems the bios is in a hidden sector of the disc. Should do the trick 'as is' anyway.

[dddan]

Try this:

http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?type=3&id=177&desc=asus_p5w_dh___retail_conroe_bios_issues

You could modify the .iso with a newer bios yourself (with PowerISO). Rename 2004 to the same bios as on this image and replace it, then burn)

EDIT: actually you can't replace the bios on the image, seems the bios is in a hidden sector of the disc. Should do the trick 'as is' anyway.

Thanks lawry. :)

I burnt the image to a disk and switched on with the disk in the drive, but it doesn't seem to have done anything, even though I left it for a good 20 minutes. Is there anything else I can try (I'm guessing I'm not the only person who has experienced this problem :( )

[Ragdd]

Maybe put the latest bios on a floppy or CDR(W).
The filename must be P5WDH.rom

When you power on the computer, press ALF+F2 several times.
That should trigger the EZ flash program.

[dddan]

Maybe put the latest bios on a floppy or CDR(W).
The filename must be P5WDH.rom

When you power on the computer, press ALF+F2 several times.
That should trigger the EZ flash program.

Thanks Ragdd.

I tried using both floppy and cdrom with P5WDH.ROM file in the root of each, but have no luck. I get no output on the screen whatsoever and if I press CAPS or NUM lock keys, no lights switch on on the keyboard. I do have a core2 processor installed - am I going to have to buy a cheap Celeron to be able to reflash this?

[Falkentyne]

Forgive me for the noob question,
But will a QX6850 (g0) work on the p5wdh?
If so, will it work at full speed? I know this is a 1333 FSB CPU....

[lawrywild]

Should do, unless it's a really bad board. Chances of 333fsb will decrease with 4GB ram (4x1) but it's unlikely you won't be able to run 333fsb.

[nicepun]

I should get a Q6600 G0 sometime next week, I will give your bios a try, but I'm currently using 2103 w/out problems but I can't remember if it's supported.

[bichi]

Hello chaps, I'm in a bit of a fix and wonder if you can help?
c) anything else I can do to try and get this board to reload a rom?
Any help you can give a n00b on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks Ragdd.
I tried using both floppy and cdrom with P5WDH.ROM file in the root of each, but have no luck. I get no output on the screen whatsoever and if I press CAPS or NUM lock keys, no lights switch on on the keyboard. I do have a core2 processor installed - am I going to have to buy a cheap Celeron to be able to reflash this?

Bummer!
- all the best luck!

PREP:
- rename selected BIOS file to "P5WDH.ROM" and copy to clean floppy
- if no floppy, then copy to flashdrive with BIOS file renamed to "P5WDH.ROM"
- (never personally tested CD-ROM method)
- use PS/2 keyboard, if available

PROCESS:
- power off system
- unplug all external USB, eSATA, LAN, RS-232, etc.
- remove cards, except graphics
- clear BIOS (jumper, 10sec)
- insert floppy with renamed "P5WDH.ROM"
- if no floppy, connect flashdrive with renamed "P5WDH.ROM"
- (not sure if process will access CD-ROM drive...)
- note: use only floppy or flashdrive, not both
- power up system and hold "ALT-F2"
- recovery screen should appear and begin to seach for "P5WDH.ROM" file (see attached pic)

If the "ALT-F2" screen does not appear in reasonable time, (few minutes), then a replacement
BIOS chip will have to be ordered from ASUS. (if USA, 510-739-3777, ask for BIOS department)
- cost is $1 USD, with expedite shipping extra
- old BIOS chip must be sent back to ASUS, or $20 USD will apply
- some shops have replacement BIOS chips or ability to re-write BIOS chips
- BADFLASH.com is another alternative: http://www.badflash.com/

ASUS AFUDOS:
http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/technicaldocuments.aspx?no=546&SLanguage=en-us

- if you are technically savvy, HOT-FLASH, but thats another discussion
- part number below, about $2.73 USD

WINBOND PART: W39V080FA (PLCC 32)
8mbit, 3.3vdc, 1Mx8bits

[lawrywild]

Yea, if you know someone else with this board, hotflash the chip. It's really not hard aslong as you're careful taking out the chip without damage.

[nickfd]

Not sure I can show you a SCREENshot but here's a photo:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1228581/Q6600PAKEDATE.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2620/08052007ky3.jpg

^-- there's my box with the g0 q6700. I'll be trying out your bios and the CPU in a couple of days, lawry. I need to pick up some more as5 + remover + prepper, and find some time to do it. Always a pain to clean up your old cpu and mounting plate from as5!

[nrs250]

I read this post:

I just updated the BIOS on my Asus p5w dh delux to the latest 2206 Version.
For some funny reason. when i disable the onboard sound in the BIOS. And save. It keeps enabling again. It wont let me disable it.

Has this been fixed with any BIOS version, reversion or mod, including P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004-G0-45nm-Edition (Modified by lawrywild)?

Also is anyone running PC2-6400 at 800MHz with this chip (Q6600) and board.

I want to sell my E6400 (OC to 3.2 Ghz) on BIOS 1703, update the BIOS, buy the G0 Stepping Q6600, but am reluctant to move to this if the BIOS versions are so flaky on a fundamental level.

[Lemmingsbeest]

Same problem exists by me...check also speedstep...problem is here it stays disabled...I have the 2103 bios now on my p5wdh and the Q6600(65nm)...Works oke for me...2205 and 2206 give the problem with sound card and speedstep...I hope that asus will bring out a good bios update...

[nrs250]

Are you saying that with BIOS 2103....

No Sound Card Problem..
No Memory Issue....

Oh... and the Speedstep issue- not a major feature for desktops I guess.. (posted by Lemmingsbeest above)

Anyone have a Q6600 45nm with a bulletproof BIOS revision on basic items like sound and memory?

Chip is $300. I would like to have a working sound card for $300 and be able to use my Corsair Dominator RAM as well. It would not be OK not to run memory at 800MHz at least. I would like memory to run at spec minimum... leave OC'ing alone for now.

I don't know why Asus would claim to support the Q6600 with a major issue like that. Its like saying.. this car works fine....just don't make right turns....

I am running 1503 BIOS because I have a stable 3.2 GHz OC on an E6400 on WC.. For every 10 revisions ASUS puts out there there is like 1 real improvement.

[dddan]

Bummer!
- all the best luck!

PREP:
- rename selected BIOS file to "P5WDH.ROM" and copy to clean floppy
- if no floppy, then copy to flashdrive with BIOS file renamed to "P5WDH.ROM"
- (never personally tested CD-ROM method)
- use PS/2 keyboard, if available

PROCESS:
- power off system
- unplug all external USB, eSATA, LAN, RS-232, etc.
- remove cards, except graphics
- clear BIOS (jumper, 10sec)
- insert floppy with renamed "P5WDH.ROM"
- if no floppy, connect flashdrive with renamed "P5WDH.ROM"
- (not sure if process will access CD-ROM drive...)
- note: use only floppy or flashdrive, not both
- power up system and hold "ALT-F2"
- recovery screen should appear and begin to seach for "P5WDH.ROM" file (see attached pic)

If the "ALT-F2" screen does not appear in reasonable time, (few minutes), then a replacement
BIOS chip will have to be ordered from ASUS. (if USA, 510-739-3777, ask for BIOS department)
- cost is $1 USD, with expedite shipping extra
- old BIOS chip must be sent back to ASUS, or $20 USD will apply
- some shops have replacement BIOS chips or ability to re-write BIOS chips
- BADFLASH.com is another alternative: http://www.badflash.com/

ASUS AFUDOS:
http://support.asus.com/technicaldocuments/technicaldocuments.aspx?no=546&SLanguage=en-us

- if you are technically savvy, HOT-FLASH, but thats another discussion
- part number below, about $2.73 USD

WINBOND PART: W39V080FA (PLCC 32)
8mbit, 3.3vdc, 1Mx8bits

Yea, if you know someone else with this board, hotflash the chip. It's really not hard aslong as you're careful taking out the chip without damage.

Thanks guys - in fact, thanks to everyone who has replied and tried to help me.

I'd really be up for hotflashing, except my only other system (which does happen to have a PLCC32 chip) has it soldered to the board, so it isn't gonna happen.

I'm going to try a couple of the local PC stores, see if they can reprogram the chip for me. If not, I've found a UK-based supplier who can ship me a replacement flashed with the revision of my choice in a couple of days. (It's a bummer having your system out of action for any length of time, isn't it?)

Anyway - to the poster who asked if they can run the 1333FSB chips on this board - I can answer quite categorically YES, it is certainly supported in rev. 2205. I was running the E6850 quite happily with 4x1GB sticks of Geil PC-6400 until the BIOS mishap (I'll never use Asus Update ever again - Asus should be shot for releasing such shoddy code!) Only thing I had to do was set the RAM to 833MHz and up the voltage by 0.5V when I added in the extra two sticks and it worked fine. (Strangely enough, I didn't need to touch the voltage at all until I added the extra two sticks, but I guess that's just another of the board's quirks).

One question - I'm using the onboard sound, and 2205 kept disabling this in bios everytime I rebooted (hence why I tried to flash to 2206). Does anyone know if this bug is definitely fixed in rev. 2206? Does the onboard sound stay enabled, or is it just the same and I can stick with 2205, which ran fine except for helpfully (ahem!) disabling the onboard audio?

[w2richwood]

lawry has a modded 2004 bios that my work even better

[X7007]

Are you saying that with BIOS 2103....

No Sound Card Problem..
No Memory Issue....

Oh... and the Speedstep issue- not a major feature for desktops I guess.. (posted by Lemmingsbeest above)

Anyone have a Q6600 45nm with a bulletproof BIOS revision on basic items like sound and memory?

Chip is $300. I would like to have a working sound card for $300 and be able to use my Corsair Dominator RAM as well. It would not be OK not to run memory at 800MHz at least. I would like memory to run at spec minimum... leave OC'ing alone for now.

I don't know why Asus would claim to support the Q6600 with a major issue like that. Its like saying.. this car works fine....just don't make right turns....

I am running 1503 BIOS because I have a stable 3.2 GHz OC on an E6400 on WC.. For every 10 revisions ASUS puts out there there is like 1 real improvement.

Q6600 is 65nm not 45nm m8, use the lastest bios and disable the sound card from windows, it wont bother you after anymore.

[MarcusTaz]

Thanks guys - in fact, thanks to everyone who has replied and tried to help me.

I'd really be up for hotflashing, except my only other system (which does happen to have a PLCC32 chip) has it soldered to the board, so it isn't gonna happen.

I'm going to try a couple of the local PC stores, see if they can reprogram the chip for me. If not, I've found a UK-based supplier who can ship me a replacement flashed with the revision of my choice in a couple of days. (It's a bummer having your system out of action for any length of time, isn't it?)

Anyway - to the poster who asked if they can run the 1333FSB chips on this board - I can answer quite categorically YES, it is certainly supported in rev. 2205. I was running the E6850 quite happily with 4x1GB sticks of Geil PC-6400 until the BIOS mishap (I'll never use Asus Update ever again - Asus should be shot for releasing such shoddy code!) Only thing I had to do was set the RAM to 833MHz and up the voltage by 0.5V when I added in the extra two sticks and it worked fine. (Strangely enough, I didn't need to touch the voltage at all until I added the extra two sticks, but I guess that's just another of the board's quirks).

One question - I'm using the onboard sound, and 2205 kept disabling this in bios everytime I rebooted (hence why I tried to flash to 2206). Does anyone know if this bug is definitely fixed in rev. 2206? Does the onboard sound stay enabled, or is it just the same and I can stick with 2205, which ran fine except for helpfully (ahem!) disabling the onboard audio?


Hey is there anyway to get a socket soldererd to the mobo and a new chip to avoid this in the future?

[MacClipper]

It is actually already socketed on the P5W.

[holwill]

Just wanted to say that I have just done the Vdroop pencil mod and have gone from a Vdroop of 0.06 to 0.02-1 and it has helped lower my vcore to 1.4875 from 1.5125 @3.6 and be 12hrs Orthos stable small ffts. Will try to lower it further tonight! Big thanks for the info in this thread!:)

[5OH]

I have a few questions I hope someone can answer.

1. Is there a general overall problem with the P5W DH and the Q6600 CPU (G0)? Because I have a Q6600 which I know can overclock to 3.2GHz on air on a P35 mobo, but I can only get 3GHz (333x9) with it on the P5W using water cooling. I'm using the 2206 BIOS.
2. On P35 boards using the Q6600 multiplier 6, 7, 8 & 9 are available, but on this board even when I select multiplier 6-9, it always defaults to 9. I take it the multiplier can't be changed when using the P5W DH with the Q6600?
3. I would like to try an older BIOS, but can't seem to because it tells me I CAN'T LOAD AN OLDER BIOS. I tried using a floppy and AFUDOS, with same result.

Help would be appreciated. :)

[purecain]

I'M ONLY GETTING 3.2GHZ on air at the moment. no matter what i do it wont clock any higher and be prime stable. i think there could be certain settings needed or conditions i have yet to find. strange as i could get 3.6 easily with the e6600 installed instead of the quad....

[MacClipper]

2. On P35 boards using the Q6600 multiplier 6, 7, 8 & 9 are available, but on this board even when I select multiplier 6-9, it always defaults to 9. I take it the multiplier can't be changed when using the P5W DH with the Q6600?

I see this presently on the Commando 1404 BIOS too but for that mobo, it is a misreporting of speed on POST. The set multiplier actually works as can be seen using CPU-Z in Windows.

Anyway, do give 9 x 356FSB a try if you are still going for 3.2GHz. I am not sure if the P5W can do 400FSB with quads. Haven't had the chance to try it out yet with my SLACR, still testing it on my Commando.

[5OH]

I'M ONLY GETTING 3.2GHZ on air at the moment. no matter what i do it wont clock any higher and be prime stable. i think there could be certain settings needed or conditions i have yet to find. strange as i could get 3.6 easily with the e6600 installed instead of the quad....

I have a similar situation, but can only get 3GHz (9x333).

So you have a Q6660 and can mange to get 3.2GHz (356MHz x 9 I suspect?) with the P5W DH? Is so, please post your BIOS setting.

Oh what BIOS are you using?

[5OH]

I see this presently on the Commando 1404 BIOS too but for that mobo, it is a misreporting of speed on POST. The set multiplier actually works as can be seen using CPU-Z in Windows.

Anyway, do give 9 x 356FSB a try if you are still going for 3.2GHz. I am not sure if the P5W can do 400FSB with quads. Haven't had the chance to try it out yet with my SLACR, still testing it on my Commando.

Are you 100% sure the BIOS is reposting it incorrectly and it's not the software (CPUZ) that's reporting it incorrectly?

I tried many clock settings and none will work above 333MHz x 9 for the Q6600 CPU. Interesting enough I had an E6400 at 3.2 (8x400MHz). So it has to be an Q6660 + P5W DH issue :(

[GFORCE100]

Are you 100% sure the BIOS is reposting it incorrectly and it's not the software (CPUZ) that's reporting it incorrectly?

I tried many clock settings and none will work above 333MHz x 9 for the Q6600 CPU. Interesting enough I had an E6400 at 3.2 (8x400MHz). So it has to be an Q6660 + P5W DH issue :(

I don't know why but with the quads, the P5W DH won't allow you a high FSB.

If I tough the northbridge it's very hot so that could be the reason (having to handle more I/O requests due to more cores).

It will do 333MHz though giving 1333MHz effective, even without bumping up the voltage.

[GLENBOY]

Are you 100% sure the BIOS is reposting it incorrectly and it's not the software (CPUZ) that's reporting it incorrectly?

I tried many clock settings and none will work above 333MHz x 9 for the Q6600 CPU. Interesting enough I had an E6400 at 3.2 (8x400MHz). So it has to be an Q6660 + P5W DH issue :(


the B3 q6600 top out at about 350fsb if you are lucky on the p5w motherboard, not sure on the new G0 stepping ones, i had a qx6700 and thatr would only go to around 320fsb on the p5w

[5OH]

I don't know why but with the quads, the P5W DH won't allow you a high FSB.

If I tough the northbridge it's very hot so that could be the reason (having to handle more I/O requests due to more cores).

It will do 333MHz though giving 1333MHz effective, even without bumping up the voltage.

the B3 q6600 top out at about 350fsb if you are lucky on the p5w motherboard, not sure on the new G0 stepping ones, i had a qx6700 and thatr would only go to around 320fsb on the p5w

I guess it's just a limit of the board when it comes to quad cores, which I kinda expected :(

Time to upgrade this system to a P35 mobo I guess.

[roger_h99.nor]

Could ppl with problems with this combination please investigate the vdroop? (use Speedfan, I find this fairly accurate).

Problems reaching high fsb only during load, or also in idle?

Maybe the vcore circutry on this board is too weak for 4 cores.

Planning a quad on this board, but not until autumn.

Regards.

[MacClipper]

Are you 100% sure the BIOS is reposting it incorrectly and it's not the software (CPUZ) that's reporting it incorrectly?

I tried many clock settings and none will work above 333MHz x 9 for the Q6600 CPU. Interesting enough I had an E6400 at 3.2 (8x400MHz). So it has to be an Q6660 + P5W DH issue :(
101% sure on Commando, not even 0.01% sure on the P5W. You've got to do your own investigations for now. :D

btw, you can't compare dual and quad core FSB o'cing even on the same mobo. Prob. going to test out the SLACR on the DFI P35 next so can't feedback the max. FSB on my P5W for a while yet.

[BulldogPO]

I´m getting 3.2GHz Orthos stable and 3.36GHz SuperPi 8M Stable.

[dddan]

I have a few questions I hope someone can answer.

1. Is there a general overall problem with the P5W DH and the Q6600 CPU (G0)? Because I have a Q6600 which I know can overclock to 3.2GHz on air on a P35 mobo, but I can only get 3GHz (333x9) with it on the P5W using water cooling. I'm using the 2206 BIOS.
2. On P35 boards using the Q6600 multiplier 6, 7, 8 & 9 are available, but on this board even when I select multiplier 6-9, it always defaults to 9. I take it the multiplier can't be changed when using the P5W DH with the Q6600?
3. I would like to try an older BIOS, but can't seem to because it tells me I CAN'T LOAD AN OLDER BIOS. I tried using a floppy and AFUDOS, with same result.

Help would be appreciated. :)

I can help with (3). Get yourself afudos 2.11

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Other-DRIVERS-TOOLS/Others/Asus-AS-D770-Afudos-BIOS-Update-Tool-2-11.shtml

this seems to allow you to go back to earlier BIOS revisions - later versions won't.

BTW my replacement BIOS chip should be arriving tomorrow. I will never trust Asus Update ever again! Been without my main rig since Friday night and I feel like I lost my right arm!

[MacClipper]

I´m getting 3.2GHz Orthos stable and 3.36GHz SuperPi 8M Stable.

Not bad, 8 x 400 or 9 x 356?

[MarcusTaz]

the B3 q6600 top out at about 350fsb if you are lucky on the p5w motherboard, not sure on the new G0 stepping ones, i had a qx6700 and thatr would only go to around 320fsb on the p5w

Respectfully disagree. I run my system everyday @ 378 FSB and I can run it @ 395 if I wanted but I have to put to much Vcore into it. Your talking maybe an average possibly? I have B3 currently and a G0 stepping on the way and then I will know for sure if I can run 3.6ghz stable I am oonly looking for 400fsb and PC 6400 on the nose. If I can get those numbers I will be very happy indeed!

[sssf]

I´m getting 3.2GHz Orthos stable and 3.36GHz SuperPi 8M Stable.

thats quite impressive.
What volts are you using?

[lawrywild]

Respectfully disagree. I run my system everyday @ 378 FSB and I can run it @ 395 if I wanted but I have to put to much Vcore into it. Your talking maybe an average possibly? I have B3 currently and a G0 stepping on the way and then I will know for sure if I can run 3.6ghz stable I am oonly looking for 400fsb and PC 6400 on the nose. If I can get those numbers I will be very happy indeed!

? Are you even running a quad core? Don't expect to get the same fsb on a quad as a dual.

[5OH]

I´m getting 3.2GHz Orthos stable and 3.36GHz SuperPi 8M Stable.

Are you using a Quad core CPU? If so, I for one would love to know your BIOS setting :)

[5OH]

I can help with (3). Get yourself afudos 2.11

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Other-DRIVERS-TOOLS/Others/Asus-AS-D770-Afudos-BIOS-Update-Tool-2-11.shtml

this seems to allow you to go back to earlier BIOS revisions - later versions won't.

BTW my replacement BIOS chip should be arriving tomorrow. I will never trust Asus Update ever again! Been without my main rig since Friday night and I feel like I lost my right arm!

Thanks. I will give it a try later :yepp:

[GFORCE100]

Respectfully disagree. I run my system everyday @ 378 FSB and I can run it @ 395 if I wanted but I have to put to much Vcore into it. Your talking maybe an average possibly? I have B3 currently and a G0 stepping on the way and then I will know for sure if I can run 3.6ghz stable I am oonly looking for 400fsb and PC 6400 on the nose. If I can get those numbers I will be very happy indeed!

I bet you are:
1) Not running a quad core
Or/And
2) Own a very recent version of the P5W DH using a 975X chipset revision that's newer than C1.

[purecain]

replacing my Q6600 b3 with a go..... it isnt even prime stable @3.2 anymore.... i'm sure the board isnt helping but i cant help but think the G0 will give me better results. i used to get 3.6ghz 24/7 on my e6600....

[MarcusTaz]

? Are you even running a quad core? Don't expect to get the same fsb on a quad as a dual.

Yes running a Q6600...

Bios Settings are as follows:


ASUS P5WDH Dlx Overclock Settings

CPU : Q6600 Bx
DDR2 : Crucial Ballistic 4GB (4 x 1GB)
Bios : 2004
VGA : 1 ATI HD 2900XT 1GB DDR4
HDD : WD Raptor 150gb 16mb
PSU : Antec 650w Tri Rail
OS : Win Vista X64
Sound: Creative XFI Fatality Pro
OVERCLOCK (MHz) = 3406Mhz

BIOS SETTINGS

JumperFree Configuration

AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL

CPU Frequency : 378MhZ
DRAMM Frequency :758Mhz (1:1 according to CPUZ)

Performance Mode :Turbo
PCI Express Frequency : 100Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz

Memory Voltage : 2.2v
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.5
FSB Termination V : 1.4
MCH Chipset V : 1.65
ICH Chipset V : 1.2
--------------------------------------------------------

CPU Configuration

Microcode Update : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------

Advanced Chipset Settings (DDR2)

Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : MANUAL
DRAM CAS Latency : 4
DRAM RAS Precharge : 4
DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time : 4

Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disabled

I bet you are:
1) Not running a quad core
Or/And
2) Own a very recent version of the P5W DH using a 975X chipset revision that's newer than C1.

As far as revision of my mobo, I have just purchased this from newegg this very month so I am sure I got the latest rev. :clap:

Oh and if the G0 stepping is not any better I will gladly keep this B3 and just settle for the 3.4GHz... But that 400FSB 3.6GHZ and 800MHz even #s would be nice. I am just anal like that...

[lawrywild]

Is that my 2004 you're running (G0/45nm edition)? :D

Or official :(

[MarcusTaz]

Is that my 2004 you're running (G0/45nm edition)? :D

Or official :(


No Larry you were not nice to me when I asked you a question. :shakes:


:p: I will give it a try after I get the G0 stepping...

[nickfd]

Thanks Ragdd.

I tried using both floppy and cdrom with P5WDH.ROM file in the root of each, but have no luck. I get no output on the screen whatsoever and if I press CAPS or NUM lock keys, no lights switch on on the keyboard. I do have a core2 processor installed - am I going to have to buy a cheap Celeron to be able to reflash this?

I had this same problem once before. Only one of the options worked for me, and I can't recall which it was. Floppy, CDR, or usbstick. But for sure it worked!

[GFORCE100]

No Larry you were not nice to me when I asked you a question. :shakes:


:p: I will give it a try after I get the G0 stepping...

Run CPU-Z or Sandra and tell us what revision of 975X chipset you got. C2?

[MarcusTaz]

Run CPU-Z or Sandra and tell us what revision of 975X chipset you got. C2?

Rev. C0

What are the differences, I guess I have the older Rev...

After trying to find info on a C2 stepping 975x I cannot. I only see a C2 stepping on a 965

[dddan]

I had this same problem once before. Only one of the options worked for me, and I can't recall which it was. Floppy, CDR, or usbstick. But for sure it worked!

It would be useful to know - if you ever remember, be sure to post about it.

I got no output whatsoever (although my proc. is a Core2 and I have rev. 1.02G board) so I wasn't sure if it would be able to boot an old bios with this processor anyway. It did check both cdroms when I switched the PC on, although when I tried it with P5WDH.ROM on the root of a cdrom it totally ignored it. It also ignored the same file when I loaded it on a floppy drive.

Oh well, new bios chip arriving tomorrow so hopefully will be sorted out with that.

UK posters (who cannot get Asus to supply a new chip) might find this place useful:

http://www.biosflashuk.com/html/contact_us.html

------------------------

Incidentally, I found this link on the web for AMIbios - it suggests using a different filename instead of P5WDH.ROM when trying to recover from floppy, CD etc. I'll post it here as I think you guys might find it useful.

http://www.ami.com/support/doc/AMIBIOS8_Flash_Recovery_Whitepaper_v10.pdf

I'll try it with my old (ruined) BIOS and let you know if it works.

[nickfd]

One guy that got my same batch of q6700 on a phasechange cooling setup got 360x10 with 1.4 vcore. Attached is pic.

That's a good sign if it requires that little voltage to hit such a high speed. g0 rocks!!

[MarcusTaz]

Run CPU-Z or Sandra and tell us what revision of 975X chipset you got. C2?


Can you confirm there is even a C1 let alone a C2 975X? I see no revisions of steppings on the 975x

[Eastcoasthandle]

has anyone updated their 975x chipset driver (http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-021728.htm)s? It appears they have addressed the SMBus device not installing correctly (http://downloadmirror.intel.com/13500/ENG/relnotes.htm). It's been a while but it's finally fixed.


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=133982&highlight=smbus

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120904&highlight=smbus

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1592656&postcount=44


even the P4GD1 has this problem (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88450&highlight=smbus) LOL
Well, even though the driver updated (have to do it manually) the irq conflict is still there.

Sidnote:
I have more success manually updating (using the zip version) then using the setup file. It's tedious but I checked each system device and ide ata/atapi controllers to see what will take and what didn't. You usually have to check the universal serial bus controllers but I already updated that. (found in device manager).

[GFORCE100]

Can you confirm there is even a C1 let alone a C2 975X? I see no revisions of steppings on the 975x

I will have to check whether CPU-Z reports C0 or C1 on mine. C2 sounds like a P965 indeed, sorry.

[MarcusTaz]

I will have to check whether CPU-Z reports C0 or C1 on mine. C2 sounds like a P965 indeed, sorry.


Cool you got me really nervous there. After searching Intels site and various other sites, I could not even find a C1...

[MacClipper]

SLACR@333FSB x 9, Vcore at AUTO with EIST/C1E activated - note the rather low Vcore on this mobo detected as by the onboard sensor, rather bad news for those like me who have to use AUTO Vcore for EIST/C1E. Thought someone did say 2206 gives 1.4V at AUTO (kindly confirm) which may make o'cing with EIST/C1E easier.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/P5W_Q6600/333FSB_Auto_4448_OCCT_OK.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/P5W_Q6600/2007-08-08-23h03-VCore.png

[GueD'S]

Cool you got me really nervous there. After searching Intels site and various other sites, I could not even find a C1...
Mine here is C0

[MacClipper]

Ah, found the 2206 1.4V reference here but sadly, the poster isn't using a quad.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&id=20070801012417609&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

[RangerXLT8]

So is it true that with the 2004 bios update the P5W DH supports Intels 45nm?

[nicepun]

Got my Q6600 G0 but I'm on baby duty (watching my daughter) so my wife can go take her test (College) and my daughter refuses to take a nap so I will not get a chance to play with it today. I go to bed early because I have to be @ work @ 4:30am -- so maybe tomorrow.

[MarcusTaz]

Got my Q6600 G0 but I'm on baby duty (watching my daughter) so my wife can go take her test (College) and my daughter refuses to take a nap so I will not get a chance to play with it today. I go to bed early because I have to be @ work @ 4:30am -- so maybe tomorrow.

Please let me know how she OCs. I have my G0 on order and would love to know how it does compared to the Bx

[w2richwood]

So is it true that with the 2004 bios update the P5W DH supports Intels 45nm?

lawry has a 2004 bios that will work with the 45nm cpus and the go.s

[bichi]

"...Thought someone did say 2206 gives 1.4V at AUTO (kindly confirm) which may make o'cing with EIST/C1E easier...

Not sure if you were looking for Q6600 G0 only, or just any quad
- 2206 BIOS; C1 and EIST enabled
- QX6700 B3 @ 3g
- OCCT v1.1.1.b04 (short 10min test)

[nicepun]

I tried the 2004 modded and regular and 2103 and for some damn reason all I get is Auto for vcore (I know to disable EIST and C1E).

[lawrywild]

Q6600 G0?

My bios works fine otherwise yeah? No microcode errors or anything.

No idea why it's doing that though. Did you load setup defaults first?

[nicepun]

Q6600 G0?

My bios works fine otherwise yeah? No microcode errors or anything.

No idea why it's doing that though. Did you load setup defaults first?

I'm reflashing through DOS with old Afudos 2.11 and the /pbnc /n switches.

Edit: Just tried with 2103 and no go. I will try with the 2004 modded later or tomorrow.

[MacClipper]

Thank you very much for the info bichi, precisely what I wanted.

Tried out 2206 on my G0 Q6600 but too bad, Vcore values remained exactly the same as 2205 previously, varying between 1.15V idle and 1.25V load. So it looks like they upped the Vcore for B steppings only. Or perhaps diff. P5W revisions play a part, mine is the earliest 1.85V revision.

[sbinh]

I tried the 2004 modded and regular and 2103 and for some damn reason all I get is Auto for vcore (I know to disable EIST and C1E).

Enable it then need to disable Speed Step again

[lawrywild]

I'm reflashing through DOS with old Afudos 2.11 and the /pbnc /n swtiches.

I was reading the documents before.

Flash with

afudos /i2004.rom /p /b /n /c /reboot

Options
The optional field used to supply more information for flashing BIOS ROM. Following lists the supported optional parameters and format:
�� /P Program main bios image
�� /B Program Boot Block
�� /N Program NVRAM
�� /C Destroy CMOS after update BIOS done
�� /E Program Embedded Controller block if present
�� /K Program all non-critical blocks
�� /Kn Program n’th non-critical block only (n=0 - 7)
�� /Q Quiet mode enable
�� /REBOOT Reboot after update BIOS done
�� /X Do not check ROM ID
�� /S Display current system’s BIOS ROM ID
�� /Ln Load CMOS default (n=0 - 1)
L0: Load current CMOS optimal settings
L1: Load current CMOS failsafe settings
L2: Load CMOS optimal settings from ROM file
L3: Load CMOS failsafe settings from ROM file
�� /M<MAC Address> Update BootBlock MAC address if exists
�� /R Preserve all SMBIOS structures during NVRAM
programming
�� /Rn Preserve specific SMBIOS structure during
NVRAM programming

[lawrywild]

Thank you very much for the info bichi, precisely what I wanted.

Tried out 2206 on my G0 Q6600 but too bad, Vcore values remained exactly the same as 2205 previously, varying between 1.15V idle and 1.25V load. So it looks like they upped the Vcore for B steppings only. Or perhaps diff. P5W revisions play a part, mine is the earliest 1.85V revision.

Whatever you read is wrong. The bios reads the VID of the cpu under load and uses 1.1625v idle. These are the EIST values. P5WDH Bios revision never changes stock vcore. The cpu itself determines this via the VID, which can be read in coretemp or everest. And by the way, lower VID is generally better.

[MacClipper]

Whatever you read is wrong. The bios reads the VID of the cpu under load and uses 1.1625v idle. These are the EIST values. P5WDH Bios revision never changes stock vcore. The cpu itself determines this via the VID, which can be read in coretemp or everest. And by the way, lower VID is generally better.
... except when it comes to trying to o'c it higher cos this chip is confirmed stable at 3.2GHz at 1.30V on my Commando (lovely independent Vcore/EIST-C1E options).

Nonetheless thanks for the consolation, lawry. :D

3GHz is enough, 3GHz is enough, 3GHz is enough... my new chant. lol

Coretemp with EIST/C1E, load vs no load
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/Q6600_SLACR/Coretemp.jpghttp://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/Q6600_SLACR/Coretemp_Idle.jpg

[lawrywild]

... except when it comes to trying to o'c it higher cos this chip is confirmed stable at 3.2GHz at 1.30V on my Commando (lovely independent Vcore/EIST-C1E options).

Nonetheless thanks for the consolation, larry. :D

3GHz is enough, 3GHz is enough, 3GHz is enough... my new chant. lol

Coretemp with EIST/C1E, load vs no load
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/Q6600_SLACR/Coretemp.jpghttp://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/MacClipper/Q6600_SLACR/Coretemp_Idle.jpg

Dude, there are no exceptions... (EDIT: Oh nevermind, I understand you now, you were talking about the lower VID is better comment. The information below is still useful though, so I'll leave it)

The change in vcore your getting from the VID is the result of Vdroop.

You can do what I did and Vcore mod the motherboard. Thus, I can run EIST but increase vcore above stock. (this also increases the EIST vcore by the same fraction too)

for example. The vcore mod provides a vcore 18/15 x Your VID.

So 18/15 x 1.300v = 1.56v under load (without vdroop)

EIST VID is 1.1625v so you will get 18/15 x 1.1625v in IDLE mode which = 1.395v

[MacClipper]

Did the Vdroop for my Commando test mobo (easy, works great) but the P5W is casing installed so kinda PITA to pencil it so willing to live with 3GHz for now. Waiting for the incoming X38 anyway.

:)

[lawrywild]

Not vdroop, vcore mod. Solder a pot on ;)

Lookie here:

http://img3.shareavenue.com/getimage.php?file=7139ce7b6489570de5c87f974eb97b77 32aa7e21

[bichi]

FYI:
- whether P5WDH BIOS can override processor VID values is another story, assuming all manual
- tough to defeat/exceed PROCHOT# and Tj and override processor shutdown limit with BIOS, Vmods, in any case
- and QX6700 VID is higher than Q6600 B3 and appears to be even lower with Q6600 G0

From Intel Q6000 Series Datasheet, page 18:

3. Each processor is programmed with a maximum valid voltage identification value (VID), which is set at
manufacturing and can not be altered. Individual maximum VID values are calibrated during manufacturing such
that two processors at the same frequency may have different settings within the VID range. Note this differs
from the VID employed by the processor during a power management event (Thermal Monitor 2, Enhanced Intel
SpeedStep® Technology, or Extended HALT State).

REF LINK:
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Quad-Core Processor QX6000Δ Sequence and Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6000Δ Sequence Datasheet
http://www.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/315592.htm

[nicepun]

I was reading the documents before.

Flash with

Tried but luck.

Enable it then need to disable Speed Step again

Tried but no luck.

Thank you very much for the info bichi, precisely what I wanted.

Tried out 2206 on my G0 Q6600 but too bad, Vcore values remained exactly the same as 2205 previously, varying between 1.15V idle and 1.25V load. So it looks like they upped the Vcore for B steppings only. Or perhaps diff. P5W revisions play a part, mine is the earliest 1.85V revision.

I think this is where the problem lyes....:shrug: :shakes: Mine is an earlier version 1.85v Rev1.02g. Dammit I don't feel getting another mobo right now.

[lawrywild]

FYI:
- whether P5WDH BIOS can override processor VID values is another story, assuming all manual
- tough to defeat/exceed PROCHOT# and Tj and override processor shutdown limit with BIOS, Vmods, in any case
- and QX6700 VID is higher than Q6600 B3 and appears to be even lower with Q6600 G0

From Intel Q6000 Series Datasheet, page 18:

3. Each processor is programmed with a maximum valid voltage identification value (VID), which is set at
manufacturing and can not be altered. Individual maximum VID values are calibrated during manufacturing such
that two processors at the same frequency may have different settings within the VID range. Note this differs
from the VID employed by the processor during a power management event (Thermal Monitor 2, Enhanced Intel
SpeedStep® Technology, or Extended HALT State).

REF LINK:
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Quad-Core Processor QX6000Δ Sequence and Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6000Δ Sequence Datasheet
http://www.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/315592.htm

Not sure what your point was, but P5WDH can not alter VID values and we are talking about AUTO setting in bios (EIST enabled).

I don't get what you mean by qx6700 vid is higher than q6600 b3. VIDs are nothing to do with steppings. VIDs are assigned individually to each cpu depending on it's stability at what voltage at stock clocks. I.e. Not all q6600 b3 have the same vid, or qx6700 or whatever cpu.

[lawrywild]

Tried but luck.



Tried but no luck.



I think this is where the problem lyes....:shrug: :shakes: Mine is an earlier version 1.85v Rev1.02g. Dammit I don't feel getting another mobo right now.

Hmm, I have an even earlier 1.65v revision. No G0 yet but hopefully in a few weeks.

(I will be using Auto vcore anyway. EIST FTW! Vcore mod FTW! :D )

[Chlikaflok]

Hey everyone,

I haven't kept up with the 200+ pages of stuff there is here, but I've searched the internet High and low for a fix, and it seems I'm not the only one with the problem, but I have been having pretty heavy problems with the whole LAN portion of this board, from both the 2 Marvell Gb NICs and the Realtek Wireless Adapter. I have sudden and short disconnects at random intervals, be it in games, applications, or simply browsing the web. I have tried many different driver versions for both the WLAN NIC and the 2 Wired NICs, even though evidence points to something other than drivers since the problem applies to both network components. My own personal (uneducated, even though I'm an IT graduate, I'm not really into hardware) guess is that the Chipset falls out of sync, but that's most probably a wrong guess.

Here's hoping someone knows something about this and would like to share :D

Specs:
Core 2 Duo E6600
P5W DH Deluxe (obviously) with the most recent drivers from Intel for the 975X chipset
2x1024Mb Corsair RAM (I can't remember the whole product number and stuff, and unless it's really useful I can't be bothered to dig up the exact name)
ASUS GeForce 8800 GTS (up to date drivers, forceware from week of July 22th)
Running Windows XP SP2 somewhat up to date (mid-june)
Stock Fans (but no temp problems whatsoever)
Everything is at stock speeds/memory rates/etc. No OC at all, and no intention to do so.

Thanks for reading and don't hesitate to ask for more info, I'm soooo eager to rid myself and most probably a few of us of this problem.

Cheers,
Chlikaflok

[djstudio]

Max OC E6600
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe
http://members.chello.cz/dj_studio/pictures/screeny/cpuid_3726.jpg

CPU Watercooled
Hyperpatch 3 - Disabled;Memory Voltage 2.20V;Chipset 1.55V;PCI Clock 33.33MHz

[Chrysalis]

does anyone have answer as to why speedstep is causing sound and video stuttering problems for me? this also occurs at stock speeds so isnt a result of too low voltage (I think).

Is it possible that whilst the cpu is jumping between clock speeds it causes a stutter.

[MacClipper]

no, EIST shouldn't do that. Check the DMA status on your host drive instead.

[nickfd]

Hi all.. So last night I took out my e6600, cleaned off the AS5, and installed the g0 q6700 that arrived. Prior to doing this, I had installed lawry's g0 200(4/6?) modified bios on the mb, and was content with it working OK.

So when I booted the box, I went into the bios and started looking at the hardware monitor page. I think it was like 1.21 or 1.23vcore by default, and temperature was 24-25c at idle on my water. I started by mildly overclocking, and got it to post at 333mhz*10 at 1.45vcore. I didn't go into the OS at all, just sticking in the bios.

Then I upped the vcore and went up to 366x10. Still posted fine. Then did 400x10, and did 1.50vcore. Black screen, no post. After several hours of clearing the CMOS many, many times, and doing so without the battery in the mb, I finally got my bios back. I decided to go back to 333x10 and see if my os worked, testing the OS for the first time.

Bad news, nope. It would start booting, give the windows xp splash screen, then bluescreen immediately, and reboot. I couldn't tell what the msg was, since it rebooted so fast. Safe mode did the same thing. Then I tried Vista Ultimate 64bit, which I had on the same hd in a dualboot scenario. Same thing.. It would die shortly after splashscreen.

I was thinking worst case scenario.. something happened in the hd, and it corrupted the OS. K, so I formatted (reluctantly, since there was some stuff I didn't have backed up), and went to install XP SP2. It would finish installing the console/text portion of the OS, and when you reboot to have it go into the GUI, it would reboot constantly. Broke.

Testing the memory with memtest86 showed that there was no errors after an hour of crunching, back at normal 2.66ghz, with auto vcore. I tried upping the voltage to the cpu and it still made no difference. I also upgraded the mb bios from lawry custom to 2206, which had no impact or change on functionality, or lack thereof.

So I'm kinda stumped. I'm going to take out the q6700 tonite and pop my e6600 back in to see if it works. I don't know if the problem is the mb or the cpu may be a lemon, or got messed up while I was testing for higher oc? Either way, i'm frustrated.

I'm happy that other people posted pics with their g0's working on our mb, so at least I know mine SHOULD work. But I don't understand why it's not.

[GFORCE100]

Hi all.. So last night I took out my e6600, cleaned off the AS5, and installed the g0 q6700 that arrived. Prior to doing this, I had installed lawry's g0 200(4/6?) modified bios on the mb, and was content with it working OK.

So when I booted the box, I went into the bios and started looking at the hardware monitor page. I think it was like 1.21 or 1.23vcore by default, and temperature was 24-25c at idle on my water. I started by mildly overclocking, and got it to post at 333mhz*10 at 1.45vcore. I didn't go into the OS at all, just sticking in the bios.

Then I upped the vcore and went up to 366x10. Still posted fine. Then did 400x10, and did 1.50vcore. Black screen, no post. After several hours of clearing the CMOS many, many times, and doing so without the battery in the mb, I finally got my bios back. I decided to go back to 333x10 and see if my os worked, testing the OS for the first time.

Bad news, nope. It would start booting, give the windows xp splash screen, then bluescreen immediately, and reboot. I couldn't tell what the msg was, since it rebooted so fast. Safe mode did the same thing. Then I tried Vista Ultimate 64bit, which I had on the same hd in a dualboot scenario. Same thing.. It would die shortly after splashscreen.

I was thinking worst case scenario.. something happened in the hd, and it corrupted the OS. K, so I formatted (reluctantly, since there was some stuff I didn't have backed up), and went to install XP SP2. It would finish installing the console/text portion of the OS, and when you reboot to have it go into the GUI, it would reboot constantly. Broke.

Testing the memory with memtest86 showed that there was no errors after an hour of crunching, back at normal 2.66ghz, with auto vcore. I tried upping the voltage to the cpu and it still made no difference. I also upgraded the mb bios from lawry custom to 2206, which had no impact or change on functionality, or lack thereof.

So I'm kinda stumped. I'm going to take out the q6700 tonite and pop my e6600 back in to see if it works. I don't know if the problem is the mb or the cpu may be a lemon, or got messed up while I was testing for higher oc? Either way, i'm frustrated.

I'm happy that other people posted pics with their g0's working on our mb, so at least I know mine SHOULD work. But I don't understand why it's not.

Yeah I had the scenario you're having with my QX6700 at 10x333. It would work at 11x300 but not 10x333. The same situation with Windows XP not loading and rebooting at one point during start-up (though I'm sure the latter is because I had the restart after BSOD option enabled in device manager).

Finally I figured out one had to disable EIST and C1E for it to work, this was with the 1506 BIOS. Since then I just disable both regardless what BIOS I'm using when overclocking the QX6700.

[nicepun]

So am I the only one with a P5W DH and a Q6600 G0?? Anyone else having problem with vcore value staying "Auto" no matter what BIOS version and settings you use? Thanks, it looks like I'll have to go with a P5K Premium.

[nickfd]

Yeah I had the scenario you're having with my QX6700 at 10x333. It would work at 11x300 but not 10x333. The same situation with Windows XP not loading and rebooting at one point during start-up (though I'm sure the latter is because I had the restart after BSOD option enabled in device manager).

Finally I figured out one had to disable EIST and C1E for it to work, this was with the 1506 BIOS. Since then I just disable both regardless what BIOS I'm using when overclocking the QX6700.

Well, I can't get into any OS to disable the autoreboot, and now after format and start of xp install, the gui part of the install doesn't work.

My CPU settings are:

Microcode Update : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Enabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled

^- all the same stuff I had on my e6600 that worked an hour before I took it out and popped in the q6700.

And also remember that even when not overclocking, I can't get an OS either. So like I said, I think it must be the CPU that's messed up, or my frankenstien p5w dh deluxe that finally threw in the towel. If that's the case, Im gonna get a p35. :) I'll update after I put the e6600 back in tonight after work.

[RangerXLT8]

So the question still stands can* the P5W DH work with Intel 45nm?
I know the badaxe 2 does,,,,,,,,

[MarcusTaz]

So am I the only one with a P5W DH and a Q6600 Q0?? Anyone else having problem with vcore value staying "Auto" no matter what BIOS version and settings you use? Thanks, it looks like I'll have to go with a P5K Premium.


I assume you mean G0? I am waiting on www.frys.com to sell out their old stock before they can ship me a G0, then I will be able to let you know if I experiance the same issue. Did you try Larry's modded bios?

[lawrywild]

Hey everyone,

I haven't kept up with the 200+ pages of stuff there is here, but I've searched the internet High and low for a fix, and it seems I'm not the only one with the problem, but I have been having pretty heavy problems with the whole LAN portion of this board, from both the 2 Marvell Gb NICs and the Realtek Wireless Adapter. I have sudden and short disconnects at random intervals, be it in games, applications, or simply browsing the web. I have tried many different driver versions for both the WLAN NIC and the 2 Wired NICs, even though evidence points to something other than drivers since the problem applies to both network components. My own personal (uneducated, even though I'm an IT graduate, I'm not really into hardware) guess is that the Chipset falls out of sync, but that's most probably a wrong guess.

Here's hoping someone knows something about this and would like to share :D

Specs:
Core 2 Duo E6600
P5W DH Deluxe (obviously) with the most recent drivers from Intel for the 975X chipset
2x1024Mb Corsair RAM (I can't remember the whole product number and stuff, and unless it's really useful I can't be bothered to dig up the exact name)
ASUS GeForce 8800 GTS (up to date drivers, forceware from week of July 22th)
Running Windows XP SP2 somewhat up to date (mid-june)
Stock Fans (but no temp problems whatsoever)
Everything is at stock speeds/memory rates/etc. No OC at all, and no intention to do so.

Thanks for reading and don't hesitate to ask for more info, I'm soooo eager to rid myself and most probably a few of us of this problem.

Cheers,
Chlikaflok

I know what you mean. I had that problem with the wireless. I couldn't fix it so I just bought an abit airpace pci-e x1 card and it's perfect. (also bought a huge aerial which gets 100% signal constantly)

[MacClipper]

So am I the only one with a P5W DH and a Q6600 G0?? Anyone else having problem with vcore value staying "Auto" no matter what BIOS version and settings you use? Thanks, it looks like I'll have to go with a P5K Premium.
No problem on my rig, I can change the Vcore once C1E/EIST is disabled - tried with both 2205 and 2206. However, I am using Auto cos I love C1E/EIST power/heat reduction. Have you tried clearing the CMOS by removing the battery for a few mins.? Have personally seen weird disappearing options with corrupted CMOS settings.

the gui part of the install doesn't work
@nickfd - have u tried the FAQ advice to disable all the unnecessary onboard devices eg. 1394, audio etc.. while installing yet?

[nickfd]

@nickfd - have u tried the FAQ advice to disable all the unnecessary onboard devices eg. 1394, audio etc.. while installing yet?

Yep. Ive been a user on this thread since page 145 or so, when I bought it and got my e6600. Audio, 1394, and bottom nics are disabled. jmicron is disabled as well. All the basic debugging is done, and all that's left is swapping the q6700 with the e6600 to cross out motherboard or cpu.

What I don't understand is why memtest86 works fine when I boot it, and also the text based installer, but not when the graphical part of the OS wants to start.

Hmm i really hope my 8800gtx isnt going.

[nicepun]

No problem on my rig, I can change the Vcore once C1E/EIST is disabled - tried with both 2205 and 2206. However, I am using Auto cos I love C1E/EIST power/heat reduction. Have you tried clearing the CMOS by removing the battery for a few mins.? Have personally seen weird disappearing options with corrupted CMOS settings.


What rev is your mobo? I cleared the CMOS but not by removing the battery, I used the jumper. I will give it a try by removing the battery.

Additional Comments: NO GO!! I'm still getting the same "Auto" value regardless. I haven't tried 2205 but if 2206 doesn't do it I doubt 2205 will make a difference.

[lawrywild]

nicepun, the manual has the correct way to completely clear cmos.

[nicepun]

:shakes: nicepun, the manual has the correct way to completely clear cmos.

:down: No go my friend. :shrug:

[GFORCE100]

nickfd

So does the P5W DH work with your E6600 or is Windows XP doing the same thing?

Sounds very odd, as if some capacitor was broken off.

[icrunk]

I've got a P5W-DH, but my IDE pioneer burner gets detected on boot up, but then after some time it just disappears from the list in My Computer.

What could be the problem?


Also a few months back, i attempted to boot up my computer and i heard something pop and smoke was coming out of a chip. It is circled in red in the picture.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2743/1198law4.jpg

The things i have discovered from the pop, is that the 2 fan connectors next to the chip don't work...

What is that chip supposed to do?

[MarcusTaz]

IC Regulator or power output transistor. Call Asus and setup an RMA, if you want a crossship so you do not have any downtime you can arange that with them if the mobo is a current model... Always worked for me...

[lawrywild]

That's a mosfet; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_MOSFET

[nickfd]

Well, I took off the cpu, and was shocked to see what happened. It looks like there are ~25 charred pads on the CPU, and the corresponding pads on the MB are charred as well.

I was able to clean it up a little bit, and some of the substance came off as well when I scraped at it with a knife. However, it leaves little marks where I scrape, so I don't want to do that.

I'm figuring when I was cleaning the board, some as5 cleaner made its way between the chip + mb, and oxidized the connections when the board supplied it with power. I don't know for sure, cause I've never seen anything like this before.

I took the chip slightly better than what you see in the pics, and put it on the board and put my waterblock on the cpu. I was able to actually see the board+cpu POST, but due to my absolutely WONDERFUL luck, the pump on my water reservoir decided to die on me.

Being too afraid to see if it worked, cause I went into the HW Monitor and saw the temperature just rising without stopping, I shut it down. As you guys with watercooling solutions know, the cpu block is very small, and isn't designed to run very well without any kind of flow.

So I guess my plan now is to toss the motherboard, get a p35 (any suggestions?), and go air cooling for a little while. I don't have the extra cash to spare now to get a whole new water solution, which i desperately need, cause the pump going is just the latest of problems that have been plaguing my crap boxset water solution.

If the CPU still causes me problems when I get the new mb, I'll cross my fingers and HOPE that intel takes the chip in for warranty. I just don't know how to even approach them about what I see on the cpu without having them void my warranty for misuse or something.

Sigh. Stuff like this always happens at the worst times. I leave on a cross continental vacation in less than a week, and I really need this time to research plans, options, and things to do. GRRRRRR. </rant>

pics:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1209/08092007275dt6.jpg
^- look at the bottom pins, which lined up to the left pins on the image below (mb)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3153/08092007276sr1.jpg
^- look at the left part of the board.

[mstp2009]

Judging by the INSANE amount of thermal grease I see on the underside of the socket mounting clip, I think we know what your problem is.

You put too much thermal paste on there, and when the CPU was clamped down it oozed into the socket.

This is user error, and both Intel and ASUS are going to say sorry, no warranty.

[Potato Salad]

A little dab will do ya.. literally.

[GFORCE100]

Judging by the INSANE amount of thermal grease I see on the underside of the socket mounting clip, I think we know what your problem is.

You put too much thermal paste on there, and when the CPU was clamped down it oozed into the socket.

This is user error, and both Intel and ASUS are going to say sorry, no warranty.

Yes I 2nd that opinion, and what's with all the dust? Seems it needs a good blow-out.

[Potato Salad]

First off..is there a stable bios that does not enable the hd audio on a reboot?
Second how to flash to an earlier bios, I am using 2006 I tried to go back to earlier 2004 or 2005 tried 2103 It won't let me says it's older than the 1 I'm using..using ez-flash
I wantedto try Larrywild's 2004 bios but it won't let me..
Third, I was using Vista 64bit but started having major issues with programs crashing randomly, working fine 10min earlier then not starting up, windows error reporting poping up all the time..
I was using 4G ram Q6600 see sig.
So I have since reinstalled Vista Business 32bit and was having the same issue again, so I took out 2G ram and while doing that I was reading that by using all 4 dimms/4G I had to run ram at 667 only..What should the default voltage be for Q6600 1.24 and how high is safe? also my Corsair Voltage what is the default voltage for that 1.8-2.0 or higher and how high is safe?
It's Corsair XMS2 6400 timings of 5-5-5-12
I was forcing them to run 800 all the time before, and I swear they were working fine before at 800, but now not..
So right now everything is running perfect, Vista 32bit 2G ram running 800, Q6600 and bios 2006 except the HD audio bug..on reboot.
and my default stock score of 3dmark06 is now 11000, before I only get 9200-9400..??Vista64bit and 4Gram.
Also did a bit of case modding last weekend..
Bought an Antec Nine Hundred case..nice case except it has piss poor cable management, so I took my dremel to the back of it and made some exit holes to hide wires..cut a hole in the bottom of it to mount the PS the right way..
Now motherboard temps are 31 degrees and cpu shows 23 according to Everest..

[Potato Salad]

memory stuff

[Chrysalis]

no, EIST shouldn't do that. Check the DMA status on your host drive instead.

already been suggested the drives are defenitly in dma mode, or its been reported wrong, althoughit was acting like pio mode it isnt the case.

I have noticed tho that when not using ahci or raid it just uses the slow microsoft drivers I guess intel dont deem it worthy developing drivers for the normal ide mode. I plan to test it on multiboot to see if the stuttering is gone in ahci with eist disabled.

[BulldogPO]

So, should I update to bios version 2206, or not?

[nickfd]

Judging by the INSANE amount of thermal grease I see on the underside of the socket mounting clip, I think we know what your problem is.

You put too much thermal paste on there, and when the CPU was clamped down it oozed into the socket.

This is user error, and both Intel and ASUS are going to say sorry, no warranty.

Well, I don't expect ASUS to replace my mb, since I already voided the warranty by putting on the nb cooler. However, I'm crossing my fingers with Intel.

Yes, I guess I did put a bit of a glob of as5, but when I took the chip out of the socket, there was no paste on the bottom of it.

And like I mentioned, I got it to post and begin starting up, but it got too hot with my pump dead, not moving the water, so I had to shut it down. The CPU *may* be ok if I can clean off the oxidation properly.

I'll still be trying to rma it tho.

I'll update with progress as it comes.

[nickfd]

Can someone please remind me what the really good, huge, air cpu cooler was that people got close to watercooled temps and overclockability with?

Was it the Thermaltake CL-P0114: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106061

Or Zalman CNPS9500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223

Or the Tuniq Tower 120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001

K, found someone with the Thermaltake, lapped, getting REALLY low temps. Gonna get that. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152722

[lawrywild]

Tuniq Tower 120
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme

[fornowagain]

Can someone please remind me what the really good, huge, air cpu cooler was that people got close to watercooled temps and overclockability with?
Big enough?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/navig/IFX14/IFX14deltarama.jpg

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=126195

[lawrywild]

Fornowagain, the IFX-14 was a big disappointment and is inferior to the Ultra-120 Extreme... (which is cheaper and smaller)

PS: I still haven't got a refund from Eclipse.... :/

[nickfd]

Tuniq Tower 120
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme

URL says Thermaltake :)

I ordered that + Gigabyte p35 dq6 motherboard. After checking a lot of reviews and a bunch of threads on here, much of the highest clocks were on that board. It sucks that ddr3 isn't backwards compatible with ddr2, so you have to pick one or the other when you're looking into new boards.

With the price of ddr3 now, (559$ for 2gb), I think i'm gonna stick with ddr2 for now.

I contacted the company I bought the cpu from, and they're going to ship me a new one, and I have to send mine back to them after I receive it. So I figure I will try to get the rest of the oxidation or scorch marks, or whatever they are off of the chip before I ship it back. Hopefully they won't make a fuss about it!

@fornowagain - lol that's intense heh.

[lawrywild]

I know the link says thermaltake but the thermalright ultra-120 extreme is much much better than any thermaltake heatsink.

[sbinh]

Well, I don't expect ASUS to replace my mb, since I already voided the warranty by putting on the nb cooler. However, I'm crossing my fingers with Intel.
.............



Put it back and RMA ... ;)

[JLT2000]

for you patato salad take the 2004 mod by larrywild or beta bios 2103 the others is not running so great and i just flash it with my usb pen in dos no problems back and forward with afudos 221...

or use a floppy good luck

[miochza]

Just got my Q6600 G0 L24A760 in, testing it at stock volts currently, at 3.0 ghz prime stable 10 min so far. My VID is 1.2875 and my load volts are bouncing between 1.25-1.26. 2206 bios.

[MarcusTaz]

Just got my Q6600 G0 L24A760 in, testing it at stock volts currently, at 3.0 ghz prime stable 10 min so far. My VID is 1.2875 and my load volts are bouncing between 1.25-1.26. 2206 bios.

Nice!!

Air or water cooled?

[miochza]

Water, load temps are ~38 C, 38 C, 43 C, 43 C at 21 C ambient

[MarcusTaz]

Can you try 400 FSB x9 for a 3.6Ghz and let me know if that proc will do it?

[nicepun]

Just got my Q6600 G0 L24A760 in, testing it at stock volts currently, at 3.0 ghz prime stable 10 min so far. My VID is 1.2875 and my load volts are bouncing between 1.25-1.26. 2206 bios.

What rev mobo do you have?

[Lee13168]

Hey, i have a huge problem with my p5w. Im hitting fsb wall of 335 and its unstable that high. Currently im at 330x9 so my e6600 is around 3.0. I tried everything and i cant solve the problem. My bios is 1901, is updating it gonna help it anyway? I didnt get around updating bios because im out of floppys. My cpu stepping is 6 revision b2 vcore at 1.280.
Ram gskill 1gbhz at ddr 1000 4-4-4-12. Mobo revision is c0. Did i get unlucky on my mobo or something is wrong with it?

[miochza]

Can you try 400 FSB x9 for a 3.6Ghz and let me know if that proc will do it?

I'll do some extensive OC testing tomorrow, I'm done for the night, pretty much conclusive that its 3 ghz stable at stock volts.

What rev mobo do you have?
Rev 1.02G
Probably one of the oldest versions, its pre 1.85 MCH

[nrs250]

Well I am expecting my Q6600 G0 in 4 days.

I upgraded to BIOS 2204. All is well.

Anyone have a Q6600 G0 running at stock stable on 2204? (not the modded flavor).

Should I go to the mod because why (someone help with this point)???

[nrs250]

I have a question about the BIOS flash utility:

1) I used a Win98 boot disk on a USB floppy (set BIOS up right to boot from it) and then inserted a second floppy with AFUDOS 2.11 on it (second floppy be so I made sure room was not an issue). I was able to type:

AFUDOS /oOLDBIOS1.rom

as per page 4-6 in the manual and it worked as expected.

Next:

I tried using a USB stick formatted in WinXP as an MSDOS boot disk (not the 98 version I describe above), I then put AFUDOS on it and repeated the procedure. It would not work. The USB key was a Sandisk 2GB U3 key. No go. I kept getting drive "write errors" on the AFUDOS /oOLDBIOS1.rom command after the flash was read. It seems to have an issue writing to the USB stick.

I even used this (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/serveroptions/us/download/23839.html) to prep the key and used Sandisk's U3 uninstall utility (http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415) to make sure the key is clean and free of the U3 crap that Sandisk loads on it.

Can anyone tell me how you went about
1) getting a USB key to work with AFUDOS
2) what key did you use (if it even matters)
3) how you prepped or formatted the key.
4) what Windows boot disk you used (98, XP etc)

I will save the rant that we have a damn QUAD CORE processor and we are using 1990 floppies to flash mobos in 2007.

[nicepun]

Rev 1.02G
Probably one of the oldest versions, its pre 1.85 MCH

O.K., I have 1.02g 1.85mch version and no matter what I tried I was never able to change the vcore from "Auto". So I've moved on to the Asus P5K Premium. TTFN!!:cool:

[bichi]

O.K., I have 1.02g 1.85mch version and no matter what I tried I was never able to change the vcore from "Auto". So I've moved on to the Asus P5K Premium. TTFN!!:cool:

P5WDH; Rev 1.02g; 66M0AG; 1.65MCH; BIOS: 2206; Purchased: Jul 29, 2006
- setup for testing only
- VCore set to 1.25vdc
- C1E and EIST both disabled
- CPU-Z v1.40.9b (cpuz.ini - Sensor=OFF to show Core VID)
- reboot and BIOS pix taken

No problems with VCore or any other settings with any BIOS
- maybe the newer revs are the ones affected?

[happ]

Where I can see what rev is my P5WDH?

[GFORCE100]

P5WDH; Rev 1.02g; 66M0AG; 1.65MCH; BIOS: 2206; Purchased: Jul 29, 2006
- setup for testing only
- VCore set to 1.25vdc
- C1E and EIST both disabled
- CPU-Z v1.40.9b (cpuz.ini - Sensor=OFF to show Core VID)
- reboot and BIOS pix taken

No problems with VCore or any other settings with any BIOS
- maybe the newer revs are the ones affected?

Not sure if you understood correctly but I think he meant the Vcore can't be changed if C1E and EIST is both enabled.

It happens on mine as well, only BIOS up to 1602 I believe didn't have this bug/issue.

Even if I reboot, I can't change Vcore unless I disable C1E & EIST.

[~aoe~]

Where I can see what rev is my P5WDH?

It's printed on the board (just above 1st memory slot).

[nickfd]

I know the link says thermaltake but the thermalright ultra-120 extreme is much much better than any thermaltake heatsink.
Yeah, I kinda wish I would have looked at your post before I clicked the trigger, lawry. But that's ok. As long as I don't have fitment issues (which should be ok), then I'll be happy with this Thermaltake when it arrives on Tuesday.

Put it back and RMA ... ;)
Unfortunately, I can't. I cut the heatpipe when I removed the stock NB block, and after a week or two of running the Spirit 2 NB cooler, one of the two hooks that's holding it in pulled out from the mb. Thankfully it was the bottomright one, nearby the memory, and I was able to stretch the mounting legs and pull it to the hole that the motherboard gets mounted in.

It's okay though. This motherboard has done me proud, and done me well in the 8 months I've owned it. It will rest in piece(s), and will always have a spot in the back of my mind, since it was my first attempt at watercooling. :)

Just got my Q6600 G0 L24A760 in, testing it at stock volts currently, at 3.0 ghz prime stable 10 min so far. My VID is 1.2875 and my load volts are bouncing between 1.25-1.26. 2206 bios.
Glad to know that stock volts can do so well with the g0's! I can't wait to get my new board and chip and begin playing around again. :)

[happ]

It's printed on the board (just above 1st memory slot).

I see it now. It is 1.03g, thank you.

[miochza]

Not looking good... I can post at 400 x 9 with vMCH maxed (only 1.65) but it crashes when it starts loading windows. I tested in 100 mhz increments (from 3.6 down to 3.2). It's the same (posting but no windows load) all the way down until 356 x 9 (3.2 ghz). At 3.2, windows will load but gives me a BSOD about memory management. Clearly 975X is a failure when it comes to quads. I'm sure the 1.85 vMCH will help for those who have the option, but unfortunately it looks like its ~3.0 for me, until I get a new x38 board.

[GLENBOY]

Not looking good... I can post at 400 x 9 with vMCH maxed (only 1.65) but it crashes when it starts loading windows. I tested in 100 mhz increments (from 3.6 down to 3.2). It's the same (posting but no windows load) all the way down until 356 x 9 (3.2 ghz). At 3.2, windows will load but gives me a BSOD about memory management. Clearly 975X is a failure when it comes to quads. I'm sure the 1.85 vMCH will help for those who have the option, but unfortunately it looks like its ~3.0 for me, until I get a new x38 board.

good info there yes i think the power circuitry on the p5w isn't really meant for the quad cores

[MarcusTaz]

what are your bios settings? Have you tried my settings?:

AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL

CPU Frequency : 378MhZ
DRAMM Frequency :758Mhz (1:1 according to CPUZ)

Performance Mode :Turbo
PCI Express Frequency : 100Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz

Memory Voltage : 2.2v
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.5
FSB Termination V : 1.4
MCH Chipset V : 1.65
ICH Chipset V : 1.2
--------------------------------------------------------

CPU Configuration

Microcode Update : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------

Advanced Chipset Settings (DDR2)

Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : MANUAL
DRAM CAS Latency : 4
DRAM RAS Precharge : 4
DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time : 4

Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disabled


I can hit 395 FSB and boot into windows vista @ 3.55 ghz but I have to pump in 1.6vcore which really yields me 1.55 vcore and run FSB termination of 1.5 and MCH of 1.65 but my temps are way high and even though it is stable surfing www, it is not stable with orthos and unpredictable in gaming. 400FSB I can boot in with same voltage settings but it is just to unstable.

Please try these setting if you can and let me know...

[miochza]

This is a quad core? I'll test out those settings, all the voltages are similar so I'm doubtful that it will change much...

EDIT: Wouldn't boot windows at your settings.

[nicepun]

P5WDH; Rev 1.02g; 66M0AG; 1.65MCH; BIOS: 2206; Purchased: Jul 29, 2006
- setup for testing only
- VCore set to 1.25vdc
- C1E and EIST both disabled
- CPU-Z v1.40.9b (cpuz.ini - Sensor=OFF to show Core VID)
- reboot and BIOS pix taken

No problems with VCore or any other settings with any BIOS
- maybe the newer revs are the ones affected?

I'm talking about the Q6600 G0, I owned a QX6700 before I didn't have this problem.

[MarcusTaz]

This is a quad core? I'll test out those settings, all the voltages are similar so I'm doubtful that it will change much...

EDIT: Wouldn't boot windows at your settings.

yup running a Q6600 B3 step suprisingly and if the G0 does not perform as well what isthe point of me exchanging it. I am waiting for some results to help me make my mind up... :)

[MarcusTaz]

Ah man that is a shame.. Can you try of 1.75 on you MCH??? Or you have an older rev?

[miochza]

Ah man that is a shame.. Can you try of 1.75 on you MCH??? Or you have an older rev?

Older rev... looks like your board is much more agreeable with quads. My recommendation is that if you plan on keeping the P5W DH, keep your B3. If you're planning on getting a new mobo soon, the G0 will have alot more OC room.

[MarcusTaz]

Older rev... looks like your board is much more agreeable with quads. My recommendation is that if you plan on keeping the P5W DH, keep your B3. If you're planning on getting a new mobo soon, the G0 will have alot more OC room.

Well I bought it from www.frys.com and they have a 30 day refund policy so I am gonna get the G0 see what it can do and if it will not run 400FSB 3.6Ghz and if it does not perform better then my current B3, then I will keep the B3. Thanks for trying my settings...

[miochza]

BTW, just flashed my BIOS to the lawrywild 2004 modded one. Works fine with my Q6600 G0.

[happ]

BTW, just flashed my BIOS to the lawrywild 2004 modded one. Works fine with my Q6600 G0.

Thank you for sharing. Can you give us as much details as possible. I am expecting Q6600 G0 next week, so I would like you to help me decide what bios to use. I am having in mind issues with on board audio and Vcore adjustment.

[miochza]

happ, I personally haven't had the problems you've described on BIOS 2206. But also, lawry's 2004 G0 bios is working great for me. So, I would say, try out lawry's 2004 BIOS if 2206 gives you trouble.

[happ]

happ, I personally haven't had the problems you've described on BIOS 2206. But also, lawry's 2004 G0 bios is working great for me. So, I would say, try out lawry's 2004 BIOS if 2206 gives you trouble.

Have you try to OC with lawry's bios? Is it any better than 2206?

[miochza]

Have you try to OC with lawry's bios? Is it any better than 2206?

Unfortunately, it isn't much better than 2206 for me. I still can't get windows stable at 3.2 ghz. I was thinking about pencil modding for higher vMCH, but my multimeter's tips are too big to measure the required resistor with any accuracy and I really don't want to do it blindly.

[happ]

Unfortunately, it isn't much better than 2206 for me. I still can't get windows stable at 3.2 ghz. I was thinking about pencil modding for higher vMCH, but my multimeter's tips are too big to measure the required resistor with any accuracy and I really don't want to do it blindly.

Can you change Vcore in lawry's bios, with C1 and EIST enabled?

[MarcusTaz]

Unfortunately, it isn't much better than 2206 for me. I still can't get windows stable at 3.2 ghz. I was thinking about pencil modding for higher vMCH, but my multimeter's tips are too big to measure the required resistor with any accuracy and I really don't want to do it blindly.


That is a bummer man.. Sorry to hear that... How about you call Asus and see if you can RMA for random BSOD or better yet, hit it with a tazer gun and try and get a newer rev.... < did I just say that? :clap:

[miochza]

That is a bummer man.. Sorry to hear that... How about you call Asus and see if you can RMA for random BSOD or better yet, hit it with a tazer gun and try and get a newer rev.... < did I just say that? :clap:

HAHAHA. I'm not gonna bother RMAing it. Although it is getting REAL hard waiting for the X38. If I didn't know that was right around the corner, I would have bought a P5K Premium by now.

[AHolland]

Hi Again,

I posted some questions regarding overclocking back in the mid 180 pages but never really got an answer I was looking for. I'm trying again in case something new has popped up since then. Here is my issue.

I can overclock from a FSB of 266 up to 333 with no issues. One fsb above that and my machine locks up. I've tried jumping past that with dozens of different FSB up to 375 with no success. I did that as some boards seem to have a hole at one spot where they are unstable.

I can play with different memory timings with no problem, but raise that FSB above 333 and the system dies hard. I really was expecting a zone of flakeyness before the hard die. I've tried a number of differnt bios's from 16-20 and settled on 17 for no real reason.

I just don't know why everyone is getting reasonable overclock..3.2-3.6 GHz but I can only get to 3.0. Yes, I could have a wimpy cpu, but I am really worried that I am missing something. Voltage changes on the cpu makes no difference at all. It's that damn 333 vs 334 wall.

Anything that you guys think I can try?

Thanks in advance.

[MarcusTaz]

Hi Again,

I posted some questions regarding overclocking back in the mid 180 pages but never really got an answer I was looking for. I'm trying again in case something new has popped up since then. Here is my issue.

I can overclock from a FSB of 266 up to 333 with no issues. One fsb above that and my machine locks up. I've tried jumping past that with dozens of different FSB up to 375 with no success. I did that as some boards seem to have a hole at one spot where they are unstable.

I can play with different memory timings with no problem, but raise that FSB above 333 and the system dies hard. I really was expecting a zone of flakeyness before the hard die. I've tried a number of differnt bios's from 16-20 and settled on 17 for no real reason.

I just don't know why everyone is getting reasonable overclock..3.2-3.6 GHz but I can only get to 3.0. Yes, I could have a wimpy cpu, but I am really worried that I am missing something. Voltage changes on the cpu makes no difference at all. It's that damn 333 vs 334 wall.

Anything that you guys think I can try?

Thanks in advance.

Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disabled

have you checked my bios settings above? a few posts up? also are these settings disabled?

[bichi]

Not sure if you understood correctly but I think he meant the Vcore can't be changed if C1E and EIST is both enabled.

It happens on mine as well, only BIOS up to 1602 I believe didn't have this bug/issue.

wtf?
- you mean you hayseeds are expecting/complaining about VCore adjustments with C1E/EIST enabled?
- clearly states that C1E and EIST must be disabled before VCore can be adjusted (see attached clips)
- and here I thought ya'll were :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about AUTO with C1E/EIST disabled..... LOL!

I'm talking about the Q6600 G0, I owned a QX6700 before I didn't have this problem.

- ahh, OK
- will try with Q6700 G0, IF it ever gets delivered
- (been waiting for almost 3 weeks from supplier....)

[MacClipper]

Can't totally blame them if they have other mobos which unlinks Vcore from EIST/C1E, even Asus own 965 mobos have unlinked options.

Are all 975 mobos from other brands doomed to behaving likewise ie. a chipset limitation? Or are the Asus P5W BIOS writers...

[happ]

Can't totally blame them if they have other mobos which unlinks Vcore from EIST/C1E, even Asus own 965 mobos have unlinked options.

Are all 975 mobos from other brands doomed to behaving likewise ie. a chipset limitation? Or are the Asus P5W BIOS writers...

In BIOS 1901 EIST/C1E is not linked with Vcore.

[nickfd]

Hi Again,

I posted some questions regarding overclocking back in the mid 180 pages but never really got an answer I was looking for. I'm trying again in case something new has popped up since then. Here is my issue.

I can overclock from a FSB of 266 up to 333 with no issues. One fsb above that and my machine locks up. I've tried jumping past that with dozens of different FSB up to 375 with no success. I did that as some boards seem to have a hole at one spot where they are unstable.

I can play with different memory timings with no problem, but raise that FSB above 333 and the system dies hard. I really was expecting a zone of flakeyness before the hard die. I've tried a number of differnt bios's from 16-20 and settled on 17 for no real reason.

I just don't know why everyone is getting reasonable overclock..3.2-3.6 GHz but I can only get to 3.0. Yes, I could have a wimpy cpu, but I am really worried that I am missing something. Voltage changes on the cpu makes no difference at all. It's that damn 333 vs 334 wall.

Anything that you guys think I can try?

Thanks in advance.

Hi, looks like in your sig you have an e6600 with 1.50vcore to hit your 3ghz, which is 333 fsb. What are your temperatures like on your cores in windows using CoreTemp at idle? How about with orthos or prime?

I had a similar problem with my e6600, but under water, I could push 1.60+vcore and get up to my sig's speeds. You want to stay under 70c at the cores under full load. Anything more, and you're slowly killing your proc. 85c and your thermal junction between the cores will melt.

I believe lawrywild has a similar issue with speeds, and part of why he started this thread, and why he is getting a quad g0. ;)

[Lee13168]

Hi, I can hit 3.0 with 333 FSB on STOCK voltage but if i go to more fsb even if multiplier on 8 to make it 2.7 i still cant get in. So is it possible that i need higher vcore to break 335fsb wall? I tried 1.3 but no luck, should i go as high as 1.5 to see if vcore effects fsb? Dont want to fry my e6600, revision b2 stepping 6.

[MarcusTaz]

Ok since it was just mentioned about the "cores" temp. I use the everest sidebar in Vista to monitor all my temps. It shows me the individual cores and then the overall CPU temp. When we speak of thermal limitaitons are the engineers measureing overall CPU temp or the individual cores?

[AHolland]

Thanks to the people that responded to my question.

To answer, I have disabled everything that I could, including the hyperpath, etc. I hae also tried core voltages up to 1.5 with no luck. I did notice that the board does not seem to recognise my 320gb drive. I boot off of a raptor 150gb. I also have a couple of 500GB's in a mirror raid config. The SATA2 connector is not there so I have the 320gb drive connected to one of the other sata connectors.

My board is the 1.02 version but I have full control of the MCH up to 1.85, vcore control, etc. Is there some issue with the board 1.02 version.

And on the OE issue. Can someone lay down a quick paragraph on what this discussion is about?

Lawrywild could you append your first post to include some of these issues? It would make an easy point to point people to who are asking these same questions. Over time it would (and is already) be a go to point rather than having people like me asking the same questions over an over again. We can be told to read the forums, but with 225+ pages it becomes a lot to go through.

Thanks guys

[AHolland]

Here is also a quick one. Where the heck is the motherboards serial number. I may send this board back to the manufacturer, but because I bought 2 at the same time from 2 different vendors, I have to figure out which bill to use.

In short, I made up a board from a friend and the local vendors only had one in stock at each of the stores so I had to run around getting two of them.

Thanks

[MarcusTaz]

Here is also a quick one. Where the heck is the motherboards serial number. I may send this board back to the manufacturer, but because I bought 2 at the same time from 2 different vendors, I have to figure out which bill to use.

In short, I made up a board from a friend and the local vendors only had one in stock at each of the stores so I had to run around getting two of them.

Thanks

Bro please try upgrading your bios to 2004. My board came with the 1901 and it was not nearly as stable as it is now with my current OC settings... I really believe the newer bios do a better job but that is just IMHO....

[bichi]

Here is also a quick one. Where the heck is the motherboards serial number. I may send this board back to the manufacturer, but because I bought 2 at the same time from 2 different vendors, I have to figure out which bill to use. Thanks

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2340216&postcount=5413

[AHolland]

Okay, for arguments sake I ramped up and tested the system on some of the highest voltage settings.

If I put the vcore voltage to 1.6 volts the system blue screens. If I bring it back down again it's happy. In testing voltages between 1.3 - 1.5 there is absolutly no difference. I ahd previously tested these settings overnight and found them all stable up until passsing the 333SB level. It's interesting to see that the system became unstable if the voltages went too high.

I also tried putting up the voltages such as MCH to their highest levels (1.85). Again the system is okay until 333 FSB and then unstable past that.

I'm just going to have to accept that either the motherboard or the CPU is limiting the overclock. I have worked in the electronics world (design and manufacture of PCB's, robotic board manufacture etc.) for 15 years. It is extremely unlikely that a chip will work to a specific level and then completely not work at a very fine different level. There is always a grey area in between when chips get flakey. My system is telling me that there is some other outside influence making the 333 - 334FSB limitation. I just wish I could figure out what it is. I've checked and rechecked that all the components are properly soldered, seated, etc. There just can't be something about my board that would not show up on other peoples boards to make this specific limitation.

I forgot to add that the temps under load were in the low 50's

Arrghh

[MarcusTaz]

I also tried putting up the voltages such as MCH to their highest levels (1.85). Again the system is okay until 333 FSB and then unstable past that.

My system was never stable with 1.85 MCH. 1.75 is ok but again my mobo does not even like that but raising my FSB to 395 I have to run it there or it will not post... I like to keep it @ 1.65 and that gives me the most stability....

[Zray]

I used P5wdh and TRU 120 cooler, I want replace a new NB cooler, any body know how to remove bronze box in NB chipset?

[~aoe~]

I used P5wdh and TRU 120 cooler, I want replace a new NB cooler, any body know how to remove bronze box in NB chipset?

Check out the link in my signature (P5W DH mod guide) or here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106563)

[Zray]

thx, I'm a newbie in this 4rum so I forgot search :D

[simri]

Asus P5W DH Help

Im removed wrong jumper and now...

Chassis Intruded !
Fatal Error... System Halted!

And i can't do anything, no access to the bios, nothing. I read the manual,
but the Chassis Intrusion jumper is in default. Already claered cmos, but the same.:(

I don't now what to do.

Any ideas?

I can flash by holding F2+Alt

Tested Bios:
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-0065
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-160x
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004-G0-45nm-Edition
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2206
P5W64-WS-ASUS-PRO-0802


I have try, attempt and search in 3 day's
http://www.google.se/search?q=P5W+DH%2BChassis+intrusion%2BFatal+Error&hl=sv&start=10&sa=N

[MarcusTaz]

Asus P5W DH Help

Im removed wrong jumper and now...

Chassis Intruded !
Fatal Error... System Halted!

And i can't do anything, no access to the bios, nothing. I read the manual,
but the Chassis Intrusion jumper is in default. Already claered cmos, but the same.:(

I don't now what to do.

Any ideas?

I can flash by holding F2+Alt

Tested Bios:
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-0065
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-160x
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004-G0-45nm-Edition
P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2206
P5W64-WS-ASUS-PRO-0802


I have try, attempt and search in 3 day's
http://www.google.se/search?q=P5W+DH%2BChassis+intrusion%2BFatal+Error&hl=sv&start=10&sa=N

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111129

You have to:

1. Remove the battery
2. Change the position of the clear_cmos -jumper for 10 secs
3. Change the jumper back to it's normal position
4. insert the battery back
5. Voila! :woot:

hope this helps, read that post it seems the other folk had this problem and it is correctable....

[simri]

Doesnt work :(

Tested with:
Flash Chip 1 P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2206
Flash Chip 2 P5W64-WS-ASUS-PRO-0802

[MarcusTaz]

how are you flashing??
Use a USB stick or floppy and make sure you use the pbnc switch??

so:

afudos \ip5wdh.rom \pbnc \n

[simri]

Ctrl+Page UP
Boot block .........

Is the only thing i can do to flash

(USB Device)
P5WDH.ROM

[MarcusTaz]

not sure man, anyone else can chime in with any advise to help this dear fella...

[nrs250]

I know many on this board have more than 1 rig but I was just wondering, I use this board because it has been my rock stable machine for 6 months now. Yet, when I check out the boards, especially with the Q6600 it seems like the P5W DH is a mediocre, mabe even poor overclocker. FSB of 333 vs. reported values closer to 400FSB on 965x and P35 boards. Any thoughts on why people stick with this? Cost? I have to admit that the thing that keeps me from moving to another is the hassle of moving my Windows platform. I like my machine the way it is now and reinstalling Windows plus working out all the bugs on a new board gives me a headache.

I guess the devil you know is better that the one you don't.

Why do you stick with this board?

[bichi]

Ctrl+Page UP
Boot block ......... Is the only thing i can do to flash (USB Device) P5WDH.ROM

not sure man, anyone else can chime in with any advise to help this dear fella...

Did a quick Google and found this article about "loose/bent pin" chassis intrusion jumper:
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/windows/alex/archives/asus-p5b-deluxe-and-the-paranoid-intrusion-detection-system-15608

If the jumper is not "loose" and verified it's over the correct pins: (see attached pic)
- unplug AC power
- CAREFULLY double-check intrusion jumper and pins for "tightness"
- check PCB mounting for odd shorts
- disconnect all USB devices, especially powered HUBs (in case of a "sneak-circuit" supplying +5sbvdc to intrusion circuit)
- clear BIOS with jumper (10sec)
- connect only keyboard and USB port if needed for flashdrive, else floppy
- reconnect AC power and pray

If all fails, guess its time to request replacement BIOS chip from ASUS Support?

Best of luck to you!

EDIT: just found more stuff using Google "ASUS intrusion" search term
http://www.digit-life.com/forum/0003/000387.html

clipped from above thread:
Dr Fat Chick - Junior Member
I had this problem with my brand new A7v333 and fixed it successfully:
If you look on the Asus web site you can find the fix tucked away in a faq - it suggests removing the existing jumper, rebooting (yes, you'll get the error but now correctly because the chassis alert pins are bare).
Now jump the pins with a NEW jumper cap (should ship with the board) and....huzzah!! immediate boot....at least that fixed mine.
It's still a bit worrying that this problem crops up on so many Asus boards though.

[uOpt]

I know many on this board have more than 1 rig but I was just wondering, I use this board because it has been my rock stable machine for 6 months now. Yet, when I check out the boards, especially with the Q6600 it seems like the P5W DH is a mediocre, mabe even poor overclocker. FSB of 333 vs. reported values closer to 400FSB on 965x and P35 boards. Any thoughts on why people stick with this? Cost? I have to admit that the thing that keeps me from moving to another is the hassle of moving my Windows platform. I like my machine the way it is now and reinstalling Windows plus working out all the bugs on a new board gives me a headache.

I guess the devil you know is better that the one you don't.

Why do you stick with this board?

You can generally live with 333 max FSB, even if it is limited to 333 MHz, if you have one of
- X CPU with unlocked multiplier
- 800 MHz FSB CPU
- x10 or higher multiplier 1067 MHz CPU
- overclock only in the "not much more Vcore" regions

What I found more annoying is that the max FSB dropped some more with 8 GB of RAM and Asus' BIOS antics. The board worked fine but as a battering ram it isn't that great. By 965p DS3 didn't do much better with 8 GB, BTW.

[Potato Salad]

BTW, just flashed my BIOS to the lawrywild 2004 modded one. Works fine with my Q6600 G0.

Is the audio bug fixed in larry's bios??
or do you have to reset at every reboot?

[Potato Salad]

Can someone post how to flash using AFUDOS211 and Lawrywilds 2004 bios..
I have not flashed using dos in many years..
I kmow I have to put AFUDOS211 on usb key then put bios on aswell..
Then what?
reboot then do what to get it to flash properly?
Thanks

[MarcusTaz]

Did a quick Google and found this article about "loose/bent pin" chassis intrusion jumper:
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/windows/alex/archives/asus-p5b-deluxe-and-the-paranoid-intrusion-detection-system-15608

If the jumper is not "loose" and verified it's over the correct pins: (see attached pic)
- unplug AC power
- CAREFULLY double-check intrusion jumper and pins for "tightness"
- check PCB mounting for odd shorts
- disconnect all USB devices, especially powered HUBs (in case of a "sneak-circuit" supplying +5sbvdc to intrusion circuit)
- clear BIOS with jumper (10sec)
- connect only keyboard and USB port if needed for flashdrive, else floppy
- reconnect AC power and pray

If all fails, guess its time to request replacement BIOS chip from ASUS Support?

Best of luck to you!

EDIT: just found more stuff using Google "ASUS intrusion" search term
http://www.digit-life.com/forum/0003/000387.html

clipped from above thread:
Dr Fat Chick - Junior Member
I had this problem with my brand new A7v333 and fixed it successfully:
If you look on the Asus web site you can find the fix tucked away in a faq - it suggests removing the existing jumper, rebooting (yes, you'll get the error but now correctly because the chassis alert pins are bare).
Now jump the pins with a NEW jumper cap (should ship with the board) and....huzzah!! immediate boot....at least that fixed mine.
It's still a bit worrying that this problem crops up on so many Asus boards though.

Nice find man hope this helps him out...

[lawrywild]

Can someone post how to flash using AFUDOS211 and Lawrywilds 2004 bios..
I have not flashed using dos in many years..
I kmow I have to put AFUDOS211 on usb key then put bios on aswell..
Then what?
reboot then do what to get it to flash properly?
Thanks

Have you made the usb drive bootable?

This is my favourite guide: http://www.weethet.nl/english/hardware_bootfromusbstick.php

Once you made it bootable, put afudos.exe and 2004.rom on the drive.

In bios change the usb drive in usb configuration to "FORCED FDD"

Then save changes, tap f8 on POST and select to boot from usb drive.

Once dos is loaded, type:

afudos /i2004.rom /p /b /n /c /reboot

note the i after the /

[Polynikes]

Hi guys, I've been playing with my OC settings now that I have my watercooling kit installed, but I've been hampered by this damn 360 FSB wall. I've tried putting my RAM on SPD settings, but that doesn't help. (Strangely, when I tried the SPD setting at a lower FSB speed that worked, it didn't boot at SPD, but at the speed that was selected right beneath the FSB setting.) So, anyways, I've turned off all the extra memory options, the CPU options, etc. I've gotten my system to boot and run two Orthos instances for 10 minutes with no problems at FSB 350, RAM at 875mhz 4-4-4-12 with 1.325 vcore and 1.65mch, but upping the voltages to get higher FSB aren't working at all. I've tried doing all the things I could find in this thread and elsewhere, but nothing has helped. All I want is 400 FSB. That's it. I'm not trying to break records, I just want to run 1:1 with tighter RAM timings at DDR2-800. I'm using the 2004 BIOS, by the way. Was I a lucky winner in the "let's see who gets a poor overclocker" sweepstakes?

I miss the days when heat was your only enemy. Just throw good enough cooling at it and it'll go. Not anymore it seems.

[bichi]

Asus P5W DH Help
Im removed wrong jumper and now... Chassis Intruded !
Fatal Error... System Halted!

Two more possible "intrusion detected" solutions:
- not specific to P5WDH, but worth a try
- from ASUS FAQs

Server will show Chassis intruded! Fatal error message:

Server will show Chassis intruded! Fatal error message
The error message will appear due to chassis intrusion sensor detects the server chassis has been opened. When user encountered this issue, they can eliminate the error message by following the steps below:

1. Shut down the system, close the top or sider cover properly and secure the screws of the cover if available.

2. Power on the system and the error message will show again. Please press the Reset button on front panel.

2. The error message will show persistently after system restarts. Please press the Reset button on front panel again

3. Upon restarting for 2nd time, the error message will be eliminated and the server will boot properly then.

*************

System goes directly to BIOS utility with error message:

Due to the fact that system detects chassis is opening during boot up, if you would like to disable this function, please refer to the user manual to find out the location of chassis alarm lead (4-1 pin). This lead is designed for hassis with intrusion detection feature. Please power off the system and use a jumper cap to short the pins labeled "Chassis Signal" and "Ground".

After power on for the first time, the system will go to BIOS utility directly and warn user with message stating "chassis opened" previously. Please go to [Exit] menu and select [Exit Saving Changes]. After reboot, the system will enter boot sequence successfully.

By the way, you also can also choose to close the chassis so the message won't show after second reboot.

*****************

ASUS SUPPORT
Search Terms: intrusion, answer
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

[simri]

Not even now this work :shakes:

Im can not RMA for that reason i placed AS5 on NB and SB and removed the asus label on NB,SB and Silicon Image SI4723.

[WeldZilla]

simri it sounds like you have managed to corrupt your bios chip. Call Asus and ask for the bios department and they will send you a new one 502-995-0883.
With this board there is no need to pull the jumper!!! if you OC to far and it won't move just hold down the power on switch til it goes off, when things stop spinning hit it again . you will get an over clock error and it will tell you to hit F1 to boot .This will take you back to the bios to try again. Again there is no need to pull the JUMPER. In the future make sure of what you are removing before you remove it! I have built 13 systems on these boards they have all been perfect!!!
Don't try to tell me I just happen to get 13 great boards and 13 great cpus and hell even 13 sets of great memory. It isn't luck. Too many of you overthink this. It is not rocket science. (which is not really hard either)
Too many of you know too little and should just leave the damn side covers alone. If there were a shred of decency in this world this miserable thread would be deleted. People don't search it, they just want to re-ask the same ?'s for god knows how many times. very few really want to research and understand anything most just want some killer OC and they want it now!!! I have been running these boards for over a year now. Starting back
with a Presler 950es which was great cuz it would just kick the hell out of an FX-60 so it made my day. Then I moved to the e6400, again it was just unreal fast but, this board works best with the 6600 and higher due to the need for higher multipliers to work with. These boards have been great to me.

WZ

[MarcusTaz]

Hi guys, I've been playing with my OC settings now that I have my watercooling kit installed, but I've been hampered by this damn 360 FSB wall. I've tried putting my RAM on SPD settings, but that doesn't help. (Strangely, when I tried the SPD setting at a lower FSB speed that worked, it didn't boot at SPD, but at the speed that was selected right beneath the FSB setting.) So, anyways, I've turned off all the extra memory options, the CPU options, etc. I've gotten my system to boot and run two Orthos instances for 10 minutes with no problems at FSB 350, RAM at 875mhz 4-4-4-12 with 1.325 vcore and 1.65mch, but upping the voltages to get higher FSB aren't working at all. I've tried doing all the things I could find in this thread and elsewhere, but nothing has helped. All I want is 400 FSB. That's it. I'm not trying to break records, I just want to run 1:1 with tighter RAM timings at DDR2-800. I'm using the 2004 BIOS, by the way. Was I a lucky winner in the "let's see who gets a poor overclocker" sweepstakes?

I miss the days when heat was your only enemy. Just throw good enough cooling at it and it'll go. Not anymore it seems.

Hey bro try lowering your memory by 1 click. I run mine @ 378FSB but if i put my mem above 800mhz then it is unstable even with higher voltage. See if that works...

[Polynikes]

See, this is the kind of stuff I see that gets me pissed off:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=2301080&postcount=2

I lowered my RAM to 720mhz and upped my FSB to 365, yay, but I'm afraid putting my RAM up to 800 is gonna mess things up. All I want is 8 or 9x400 on the lowest vcore possible. That guy did it at 1.3! Why would my RAM be holding me back? It's frickin' Dominator 8500, easily capable of DDR2-800 at 4-4-4 timings!

[MarcusTaz]

you are not really losing that much, try my bios settings, they are a few pages back. Just run the FSB @ 395 to give you 3.5GHZ and leave your mem where it is @, one click below 800... The bios should still say you are at PC-6400 at boot....

[Polynikes]

So far I can't get past 375, though my RAM is at 750 with 4-4-4-12 timings. In order to do it I had to set my vcore to 1.45. I'll look at your BIOS settings to see what you did. This isn't too bad, really, I just wish my parts would OC as well as others'. I mean, 9x400 at 1.3x? That's nuts. I guess we'll see how stable this OC is when Orthos has had its way. :) Thanks for the help.

[MacClipper]

In BIOS 1901 EIST/C1E is not linked with Vcore.

Wow, is that the only BIOS versions which is unlinked? Don't remember seeing any mention of this in the FAQ or any other posts in this thread either.

[gwolfman]

Hi guys, I've been playing with my OC settings now that I have my watercooling kit installed, but I've been hampered by this damn 360 FSB wall. I've tried putting my RAM on SPD settings, but that doesn't help. (Strangely, when I tried the SPD setting at a lower FSB speed that worked, it didn't boot at SPD, but at the speed that was selected right beneath the FSB setting.) So, anyways, I've turned off all the extra memory options, the CPU options, etc. I've gotten my system to boot and run two Orthos instances for 10 minutes with no problems at FSB 350, RAM at 875mhz 4-4-4-12 with 1.325 vcore and 1.65mch, but upping the voltages to get higher FSB aren't working at all. I've tried doing all the things I could find in this thread and elsewhere, but nothing has helped. All I want is 400 FSB. That's it. I'm not trying to break records, I just want to run 1:1 with tighter RAM timings at DDR2-800. I'm using the 2004 BIOS, by the way. Was I a lucky winner in the "let's see who gets a poor overclocker" sweepstakes?

I miss the days when heat was your only enemy. Just throw good enough cooling at it and it'll go. Not anymore it seems.
I'm in the same boat as you, I can't seem to get past 375-380. Shouldn't my CPU (E6600) be able to go at least 400 * 9?

[gwolfman]

See, this is the kind of stuff I see that gets me pissed off:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php?p=2301080&postcount=2

I lowered my RAM to 720mhz and upped my FSB to 365, yay, but I'm afraid putting my RAM up to 800 is gonna mess things up. All I want is 8 or 9x400 on the lowest vcore possible. That guy did it at 1.3! Why would my RAM be holding me back? It's frickin' Dominator 8500, easily capable of DDR2-800 at 4-4-4 timings!
That makes me mad too, why can't my setup run close to that?

[Polynikes]

I guess it's just a matter of luck. Could be the board, your CPU, maybe your RAM. Some people have had crazy good luck, others have not. :\

[gwolfman]

So far I can't get past 375, though my RAM is at 750 with 4-4-4-12 timings. In order to do it I had to set my vcore to 1.45. I'll look at your BIOS settings to see what you did. This isn't too bad, really, I just wish my parts would OC as well as others'. I mean, 9x400 at 1.3x? That's nuts. I guess we'll see how stable this OC is when Orthos has had its way. :) Thanks for the help.
Hey, me too, I'm stuck there. Have any luck getting past it? I'll post BIOS settings soon with system specs. Maybe tomorrow night.

[MarcusTaz]

My Vcore is bumped to 1.5 in my bios, just bump the vcore up and keep and eye on temps. I have no mods on this board at all, it is bone stock and that goes for cooling too just my cpu is water cooled. So even though I have vcore set to 1.5 now it reads 1.45-1.47 under Everest.. bump that Vcore and leave the MCH @ 1.65 no more no less and set the term voltage to 1.4 no higer no less

[X7007]

Does someone have problems with Overclocking to some limit, lets say from 266 to 280 it works good, but when you try 290 Vista sometimes shows black screen on welcome screen. its like instead of opening pretty, it shows black when only the password box shows first and than everything becomes visible.

i have no idea what the problem is, i tired voltages , timings. very very anoying, its like something is wrong, and prime 95 25.24 passed blend 6hr.

[Chrysalis]

Seems my stuttering video is related to page faults and a windows registry tweak setting system pages to the maximum possible number just about removes the stuttering even with speedstep enabled, havent tested this alongside ahci/raid yet but will as soon as possible on dual boot.

How do I get the Lawrywilds 2004 bios? and what is different on it? thanks.

--edit-- I see added to 1st post in this thread.

[Potato Salad]

Have you made the usb drive bootable?

This is my favourite guide: http://www.weethet.nl/english/hardware_bootfromusbstick.php

Once you made it bootable, put afudos.exe and 2004.rom on the drive.

In bios change the usb drive in usb configuration to "FORCED FDD"

Then save changes, tap f8 on POST and select to boot from usb drive.

Once dos is loaded, type:

afudos /i2004.rom /p /b /n /c /reboot

note the i after the /

Thanks alot for the guide..
I'll give it a shot later.

[Polynikes]

Hey, me too, I'm stuck there. Have any luck getting past it? I'll post BIOS settings soon with system specs. Maybe tomorrow night.

Here's a few screenshots of my setup. This is the best I've gotten out of it. So far, it's passed two instances of Orthos (RAM and CPU tests) for about 15 minutes, a 32M superpi, two full runs of 3DMark06 (just the gaming benches, not the other stuff) and I played Counter-Strike: Source with 11 bots for about an hour with all the settings maxed. It's pretty stable, at least for what I do with it. I'll probably do more rigorous testing in the future. Here's the screens:

Bios1 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios1.jpg)
Bios2 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios2.jpg)
Bios3 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios3.jpg)
CPUZ + Temp (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/cpuz.jpg)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=229340

Hope this helps. Keep in mind, your machine may boot slower, so wait an extra 30 seconds or so before shutting it off to try again. See below.

Is there any way to "fix" the stall when booting when you've overclocked a lot? My machine takes an extra 15 to 20 seconds to get to the POST beep. I'm glad I waited, otherwise I would've never known this thing was actually capable of booting at these speeds.

[roger_h99.nor]

@Polynikes,
Pretty similar rig, even got the same psu! (look sig.)

You should get a lot more out of that x6800. Tried higher multiplier? (got the same stepping also :) )
Mine oc easy above 4G on this board, mind if you have 1.85Vmch avalible..

Think fsb 370 was about max with a 1.65Vmch revison board I had earlier.

btw, your biossettings looks ok by me.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=131012

[Polynikes]

I haven't tried a higher multiplier, I'm more interested in 400FSB. I'm curious if it can handle 10 or 11, perhaps I'll mess with it later. I'd also rather not push too much voltage through my NB since I have stock cooling and just finished installing my watercooling kit. The idea of taking it all apart and removing the mobo to put new TIM/reseat and/or install a different cooling solution sounds depressing. :P What voltage settings (all of them) are you using to get it to 410 there? How far is it safe to go with the mch on stock cooling? I do have the 250mm fan on the side of my case blowing directly on the mobo and NB, is that enough to keep it relatively cool? My radiator's two 120mm fans are in the front of the case blowing at full speed (~78 CFM each) towards the mobo as well.

[aledsav1]

Was hoping to find a concise list of bios settings in this thread but so large!!! any ideas where i can find list. Iv just got a p5w and have managed to get to 3.7 with e6750 though not orthos stable so really need settings have updated to latest bios anyone with any suggestions ta

[roger_h99.nor]

Assembly /deassebly is half the fun :cool:

My voltage was pretty much maxed out, unless Vcore at 1,58V (1.55V DMM measured) to reach 4G.

I agree - you should be a bit careful with Vmch with stock cooling on it, at least you should change the termal paste on it if haven't already.

My 24/7 (rock stable) is 11 x 325 (water on NB) at Vcore 1.50V set i bios (real 1.48V). Coretemp about 55 C under full load. Probably stable at about 3,8 - 3,9, but haven't tested yet.

@aledsav1,
Take a look at Polynikes settings, they are a good start.

[Polynikes]

Look at my post above for bios screenshots that will probably help. vMCH is going to need to be raised a bit to help, and depending on how far you want to go, your vcore will, too.

Wow, I was running at 333*10 for the longest time at stock voltage and it was rock solid. My load temp on water wouldn't go past 48 C. Does the extra multi really make that big a difference for you?

Someday when I'm feeling more adventurous and want more out of my system, I'll probably change my NB cooling. Maybe I'll integrate it into my loop, maybe not.

[aledsav1]

Thanks yeah have raised volts to all areas 1.5cpu and maxed Vmch...though e6750 has 8multiplier so 3.646ghz is my max stable with fsb@456 i am sure there is headroom as i boot vista fsb466 though orthos fails pretty quickly

[Polynikes]

Damn, you're getting your FSB pretty high. You can't get much more out of this mobo than that. If you want faster FSB speeds you'd be better off with a different chipset.

[aledsav1]

yeah pretty much knew i was doing alright with those sort of fsb's shame as my e6750 is crying to be pushed higher.

[roger_h99.nor]

Raising the fsb yields better results than raising the MP, in terms of performance.

My advice is to lower the MP to minimum (6) in order to find the board max stable fsb. Once established max fsb it is time to raise the MP again. (Loosen the ram timings to take this variable out of th equation.)

@Polynikes,
based on your (seemingly) very good airflow I would bet it is safe to give 1.85V a try. Put a finger on the NB - if instant burn, it is time to back off :D

[roger_h99.nor]

Thanks yeah have raised volts to all areas 1.5cpu and maxed Vmch...though e6750 has 8multiplier so 3.646ghz is my max stable with fsb@456 i am sure there is headroom as i boot vista fsb466 though orthos fails pretty quickly

:up: One of the very best fsb I've seen on this board.

[Polynikes]

@Polynikes,
based on your (seemingly) very good airflow I would bet it is safe to give 1.85V a try. Put a finger on the NB - if instant burn, it is time to back off :D

Oh, that sounds nice. Too bad they don't have temp sensors in NB's. It would make life a lot easier, huh? :P

[gwolfman]

My Vcore is bumped to 1.5 in my bios, just bump the vcore up and keep and eye on temps. I have no mods on this board at all, it is bone stock and that goes for cooling too just my cpu is water cooled. So even though I have vcore set to 1.5 now it reads 1.45-1.47 under Everest.. bump that Vcore and leave the MCH @ 1.65 no more no less and set the term voltage to 1.4 no higer no less
I'll give that a try. Do I need to change the southbridge voltage?

[gwolfman]

Here's a few screenshots of my setup. This is the best I've gotten out of it. So far, it's passed two instances of Orthos (RAM and CPU tests) for about 15 minutes, a 32M superpi, two full runs of 3DMark06 (just the gaming benches, not the other stuff) and I played Counter-Strike: Source with 11 bots for about an hour with all the settings maxed. It's pretty stable, at least for what I do with it. I'll probably do more rigorous testing in the future. Here's the screens:

Bios1 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios1.jpg)
Bios2 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios2.jpg)
Bios3 (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/bios3.jpg)
CPUZ + Temp (http://home.rochester.rr.com/maxpayne/cpuz.jpg)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=229340

Hope this helps. Keep in mind, your machine may boot slower, so wait an extra 30 seconds or so before shutting it off to try again. See below.

Is there any way to "fix" the stall when booting when you've overclocked a lot? My machine takes an extra 15 to 20 seconds to get to the POST beep. I'm glad I waited, otherwise I would've never known this thing was actually capable of booting at these speeds.
Thanks, I'll compare and let you know.

[Polynikes]

Good luck.

[MarcusTaz]

Page 2: Disable ratio support and run it @ 9x, (I have a Q6600 so this is my max x9) I have found even trying to run 8x to get my memory to 800mhz even while running the 400FSB CPU @ 3.2 I still had to pump in more MCH rediculous as that may sound and the system was still not stable. Not only that benchmarks did not show significant improvments running it @ 400fsb 800mhz 3.2 nor 395fsb 795mhz 3.5ghz. So I settled for my 378fsb and the system is stable and I am happy....

Page 3: I disable peg link, it is garbage and will OC the video card and make your system unstable in my limited knowledge

[Polynikes]

Well I tried for 400, 395 and 385 with your suggestions but no go. Upping the ratio at 375 to 10x made orthos fail within seconds, and I like the balance between speed and voltage I have going right now, so I think I'm just gonna leave it as it is right now.

[nrs250]

I too have found that 333FSB is a stable OC. I can boot into windows at FSB 350 and www is OK but I ran DVDShrink and I crashed out and rebooted.

Here is my CPU-Z (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=229463)

My Settings:

BIOS 2103 (2004 gave me a CPU uCode error)

AI Overclocking set to: MANUAL

CPU Frequency : 333MhZ
DRAMM Frequency :800Mhz (1:1 according to CPUZ)

Performance Mode :Turbo
PCI Express Frequency : 100Mhz
PCI Clock Sync Mode : 33.33Mhz

Memory Voltage : 2.1v
CPU Vcore Voltage : 1.4 (1.37 in CPU-Z)
FSB Termination V : 1.4
MCH Chipset V : 1.65
ICH Chipset V : 1.2
--------------------------------------------------------

CPU Configuration

Microcode Update : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Execute Disable Function : Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control : Disabled
Virtualization Technology : Disabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology : Disabled
--------------------------------------------------------

Advanced Chipset Settings (DDR2)

Configure DRAM Timing By SPD : MANUAL
DRAM CAS Latency : 4
DRAM RAS Precharge : 4
DRAM RAS To CAS Delay : 4
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge Delay : 12
DRAM Write Recovery Time : 4

Hyper Path 3 : Disabled
DRAM Throttling : Disabled

COOLING: Nautilus 500 WC
Temps: 46C idle and 60C at 100% load

The above is stable but I will run orthos tonight.
I think that my Rev. C0 board is at its limit.

What do you think. Is it worth another board to push higher?
I was a bit disappointed since I was pushing 400FSB on my E6400 but then again this is a QUAD.

Anyone think that a P5B would yield a 4 GHz. clock?

[MarcusTaz]

What do you think. Is it worth another board to push higher?

ALL depends bro, I am quite happy with 3.4ghz and I use my system for everything including gaming for hours. I love the performance comming off an AMD X2-4800 939... I mean this board is feature packed but if just pure Ocing is what you are after and pushing the very limits of your CPU then they say the P35 or better yet I read the X38 will be out in October...

Me, I love this board, maybe not the best OCer but I love it... :D

[gwolfman]

I can't seem to get past 378-380 FSB no matter what I try. Also, I've seen posts with people running this speed or even faster with WAY less vCore. If anyone has any ideas on how I can get past this wall I'd be greatly appreciative. Btw, I turn down the RAM speed one notch when I try to go higher (in this case, 750MHz).

System specs:
Mb:....Asus P5W DH Deluxe (rev 1.03G) BIOS 2205
CPU:...E6600 SL9S8 (pack date: 09/12/06)
HS/F:..Corsair Nautilus 500
RAM:...GeIL 2 x 1GB GX22G8000DCK (PC8000 - 1000MHz) 2.3v
Gfx:....Asus nVidia 8000 GTX
Snd:...Creative X-Fi FPS (Fatal1ty Pro)
PSU:...Rosewill RD550-2DB-SL 550W
(let me know if you need more system specs)

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http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3906/dsc00061wl2.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00061wl2.jpg)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7527/cpuzxn2.th.png (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuzxn2.png)

[MarcusTaz]

Dump the AI booster and use something else like Everest.. I noticed this created instability for me....

[Polynikes]

I think a lot of it is luck. In the link I referenced (http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=88306) the guy got a Q6600 to 400FSB on less than 1.4 vcore. That's nuts.

I think it's really just luck of the draw. If you get good parts, you can get great OCs, if not... Oh well.

I should've gotten an E6600. :P

[nerve007]

Hi all,

I'm currently at 400fsb on my p5wdh, but I have an old rev with a max mch of 1.65. What's the best way to get a recent-rev board?
I've got this board pretty well figured out now, and it doesn't seem like the newer boards have much advantage as yet.

I'm running the northbridge watercooled... seems like this is where my wall is right now.

Thanks!

-Bob

[nrs250]

nerve007 can you post your BIOS settings including BIOS rev, CPU voltages, FSB term. voltage, memory etc.

Thanks

[~aoe~]

I'm running the northbridge watercooled... seems like this is where my wall is right now.

Which block are you using on the NB? Any problems installing?

I'm in the process of building a water-cooled system around this motherboard and was considering including the NB in the loop. Can't decide on a block though :confused:

Thanks in advance

[John600rr]

Hi all,

I'm currently at 400fsb on my p5wdh, but I have an old rev with a max mch of 1.65. What's the best way to get a recent-rev board?
I've got this board pretty well figured out now, and it doesn't seem like the newer boards have much advantage as yet.

I'm running the northbridge watercooled... seems like this is where my wall is right now.

Thanks!

-Bob

I woudnt seek out a new rev board. Just do the vMCH pencil mod, it's very easy and gained me about 35 more FSB (390 to 425)

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3876

I'm running 1.81V on the northbridge right now and am stable up to 425 or so. Can boot as high as 440. This is on stock cooling with good air flow.

[Polynikes]

No kidding. What are the potential drawbacks to this mod, besides the obvious warranty voiding? I mean, as long as you're not putting too many volts through the NB, can this cause any other problems?

[John600rr]

No kidding. What are the potential drawbacks to this mod, besides the obvious warranty voiding? I mean, as long as you're not putting too many volts through the NB, can this cause any other problems?


I can only speak from my personal experience so take that into consideration.

I have been running 1.8V through the northbridge for about 8 months now with no problems whatsoever. And 10 seconds with a q-tip you would never be able to tell anything was modded on the board.

Technically, I suppose the pencil mod does void your warranty, but in all actuality I have found it would be hard to actually cause serious damage using it. Mainly because it would be hard to lower the resistance enough with a pencil to add more than 1.9V. No matter how much lead I added I couldn't get mine above 1.85. Which is right where the later revs allowed you to go through the BIOS.

[gwolfman]

Dump the AI booster and use something else like Everest.. I noticed this created instability for me....
What do you mean by "created instability"? I'll give Everest a try.

[gwolfman]

I can't seem to get past 378-380 FSB no matter what I try. Also, I've seen posts with people running this speed or even faster with WAY less vCore. If anyone has any ideas on how I can get past this wall I'd be greatly appreciative. Btw, I turn down the RAM speed one notch when I try to go higher (in this case, 750MHz).

System specs:
Mb:....Asus P5W DH Deluxe (rev 1.03G) BIOS 2205
CPU:...E6600 SL9S8 (pack date: 09/12/06)
HS/F:..Corsair Nautilus 500
RAM:...GeIL 2 x 1GB GX22G8000DCK (PC8000 - 1000MHz) 2.3v
Gfx:....Asus nVidia 8000 GTX
Snd:...Creative X-Fi FPS (Fatal1ty Pro)
PSU:...Rosewill RD550-2DB-SL 550W
(let me know if you need more system specs)

(click on images to enlarge)
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2737/dsc00051wa1.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00051wa1.jpg)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4470/dsc00052az1.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00052az1.jpg)

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http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7527/cpuzxn2.th.png (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuzxn2.png)

Anyone see any settings I should change/try in BIOS?

[aledsav1]

Just an update on my efforts
e6750@3.718=fsb@465 max multiplier8 can't say stable yet though have run orthos for 10mins only, which is a massive improvement as its been freezing system until now. moved my memory back to spd rather than manual which helped.
vcore 1.55 on water = 40c load
vdim 2.15 60m fan cooling
mch 1.85 removed silly casing 40m fan
fsb 1.2
ich 1.4
shall see what happens nxt. goto say thanks for thread/posts been of great use.

[Polynikes]

Your CPU is only at 40c on full load? What kind of watercooling setup do you have?

[hoax]

Network Disconnecting - Upgrade Marvell Yukon NIC to latest driver; http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=116&pId=3 [Credit - BulldogPO]



guys I have just reformated my pc, and the above link is no longer working... Last time I had to format, I used that update and never had a problem....but I wasnt smart enough to backup the file.. :(

this time windows keeps finding the second ethernet controller everytime I reboot... and device manager reports it as "This device cannot start. (Code 10)"

I have already installed (and later removed) the driver that came with the mobo cd, and atm I am using version 10.22.1.3 that I found at marvell webpage... still gives the same error

does anybody have any advice on how to get rid of this error? or a new link to the driver that works????

TIA
:toast:

[nrs250]

Can someone explain to me the following concept.

If you push the FSB and compromise by lowering the memory clock and loosen timings what is the effective tradeoff in performance?

Example 1:
Dominator C5D PC2-8500

FSB 345 and PC2-5700 at 5-5-5-15

Vs.

Example 2:

FSB 333 and PC2-6400 at 4-4-4-12

What is the tradeoff? Which is the better performance all other factors being equal?


In Some ways the PC-26400 runs better because I can run tighter timings at a lower FSB.

If you push FSB at the expense of memory speed is the net-net in your favor or against.??

[John600rr]

If you push FSB at the expense of memory speed is the net-net in your favor or against.??

It depends on how much FSB you can gain by loosening your mem timings.

In my case, my board will not function properly with manual ram timings above 370FSB. Now I could run 370 and some nice and tight timings, or I could run 425 and pretty loose timings. With a 9x multi, the 500 extra mhz make up for the loose timings.

But maybe you've got a 7x multi, and the difference is only say 10 FSB. That only nets you 70mhz more in clockspeed. I'd take the tighter mem timings in that case.

[FabricioGS]

Hi Folks, just a few quick questions:

1) Microcode update: what does that do? What's better for OC stability?

2) What temps are ok for stock and load? I'm using Intel's TAT for measurement.

[MarcusTaz]

Can someone explain to me the following concept.

If you push the FSB and compromise by lowering the memory clock and loosen timings what is the effective tradeoff in performance?

Example 1:
Dominator C5D PC2-8500

FSB 345 and PC2-5700 at 5-5-5-15

Vs.

Example 2:

FSB 333 and PC2-6400 at 4-4-4-12

What is the tradeoff? Which is the better performance all other factors being equal?


In Some ways the PC-26400 runs better because I can run tighter timings at a lower FSB.

If you push FSB at the expense of memory speed is the net-net in your favor or against.??

Benchmark your system using Everest's "benchmark>quickreport" and you can see the diff yourself. Tight timmings do not necessarly mean better performance overall...

[gwolfman]

...moved my memory back to spd rather than manual which helped...
What FSB speed were you able to get to when you manually set it?

[gwolfman]

Example 1:
...
FSB 345 and PC2-5700 at 5-5-5-15

Vs.

Example 2:

FSB 333 and PC2-6400 at 4-4-4-12
Your example isn't a very good one or incorrect. In example one your stated ram speed is PC2-5700 which is slower than PC2-6400 in example two AND your timings in example one (5-5-5-15) is slower than in example two (4-4-4-12). It's just not right. Faster timings (lower numbers) are usually correlated with slower speeds, but you have slower speed with slower timing. Did you mean PC2-5700 @ 4-4-4-12 and PC2-6400 @ 5-5-5-15?

[BulldogPO]

Latest Marvell drivers can be found here:
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/marvell.htm

[aledsav1]

What FSB speed were you able to get to when you manually set it?
I found that with manual memory any fsb above 457 wouldn't run orthos at all just set it back to spd and well orthos ran...though still have not performed full orthos run yet. my memory ain't great Corsair 6400.

[aledsav1]

Your CPU is only at 40c on full load? What kind of watercooling setup do you have? my e6750 stock temps are low as low as 8c.... at 3.7 with vcore 1.55 idle in coretemp is 19-20 load is 38-42 TAT show 23 idle and 36 load. Have got a AquaXtreme block can't recall exact setup without having a look as have mixed and matched over time.

[Polynikes]

8C? On water? Yeah, right. I have a pretty good watercooling setup and running at 1.3v on my CPU my idle temps are around 25/29c @ 68F ambient. Are you using a TEC waterblock or something?

[aledsav1]

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/2056/captureqq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Here check out 3.7...fsb@465...temp underload 36c! now thats at its lowest on orthos it does go upto 44c during tests.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3291/capture2hm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Here is idle temp 1.5625vcore. 18c as i am saying at stock voltage my best idle temp has been 8c! but usually around 10-14c...
hope my images are usable as new to image hosting.
coretemp don't show correct voltage?

[aledsav1]

Goto say bought this board on saturday on a whim was using aw9d though couldn't get over 3.646 stable....wasn't sure what to expect but am quite happy with results so far...though as stated earlier my e6750 would like a higher fsb limit so considering a mobo move again??

[Polynikes]

The links don't work.

What kind of watercooling parts do you use and what was the ambient temp?

Here's a question for those of your smarter than I. Is it even POSSIBLE for a regular (not TEC) watercooling loop's temperature, and therefore a CPU's temp, to be lower than the ambient temp? That's physically impossible, isn't it?

[hoax]

Latest Marvell drivers can be found here:
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/marvell.htm

THANK YOU!! :up: :up: :clap:

[aledsav1]

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturetp3.jpg

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture2mn5.jpg

Hopefully these links work? as said 1.5625 vcore 3.7g = 18c idle.....load anywhere between 36-44 during test

Ambient temp? clueless.....wheres my abient temp, just looked at someone else oc and their temp on cores was 65c and their ambient temp was 77c?
water setup...aquaxtreme block and pump...rad top of case with 2 120m yates

[aledsav1]

So polynikes 'im a little slow at catching on' what your saying is I can't have the temps im reporting? well i have had this e6750 on another board aw9d and my temps on that where great too...could it be the cpu is sending incorrect info? on previous board coretemp and speedfan would report (can't recall exact) say 20c though bios would report 31c, speedfan,coretemp report same load temps Tat reports lower load temps my bios on p5w reports pretty close to Tat.

[~aoe~]

You will notice that those temps are based on a tJunction of 85C. I believe the correct tJunction for E6750 and E6850 should be 100C.

You will need to add 15C to the CoreTemp temps.

I would hope a later version of CoreTemp will correct this error (when it's released).

[aledsav1]

tahnks aoe makes sense now....did notice other posts else where refering to this....saying that why does speedfan report same as coretemp and TAT report lower than both under load though higher than both idle? and given that tj is 100 are higher core temps ok

[gwolfman]

...Is it even POSSIBLE for a regular (not TEC) watercooling loop's temperature, and therefore a CPU's temp, to be lower than the ambient temp? That's physically impossible, isn't it?

Correct. The cooling effect in water and air cooling is the air that is passing the radiator/heatsink. It is impossible on regular water/air cooling to get lower than the ambient temp.

[gwolfman]

...Ambient temp? clueless.....wheres my abient temp...

Ambient temp is the air temp in your room/house. Easy way to get an approximate temp is to look at the temp reading on your AC/heater thermostat and see what it says.

[aledsav1]

Correct. The cooling effect in water and air cooling is the air that is passing the radiator/heatsink. It is impossible on regular water/air cooling to get lower than the ambient temp.

Please forgive my ignorance....when my fans are pulling air through the rad its air thats the temp of the room(ambient) how come this air coming into the case feels so much colder than my environment also my water tubing is cold to the touch....in my mixed up logic this tells me my ambient temp dosn't dictate that my cpu can't be colder???

[~aoe~]

I'll have a go at trying to explain, but not sure I'm qualified...

Your skin emits liquid (sweat) which, when air passes over it, creates a cooling effect (due to evaporation of the liquid). This is why the air coming into the case 'feels' cooler (it's moving and passing over your skin).

The radiator fins don't emit a liquid (hopefully), and therefore does not cool by evaporation.

The reason the tubes feel cool is that they are cooler than your body temp (body temp ~37C).

It is possible in humid conditions that water condenses on the radiator, which would then assist the cooling effect (by evaporation), possibly allowing your temps to fall slightly below ambient. However, we're only talking 1-2C here at most.

[aledsav1]

I'll have a go at trying to explain, but not sure I'm qualified...

Your skin emits liquid (sweat) which, when air passes over it, creates a cooling effect (due to evaporation of the liquid). This is why the air coming into the case 'feels' cooler (it's moving and passing over your skin).

The radiator fins don't emit a liquid (hopefully), and therefore does not cool by evaporation.

The reason the tubes feel cool is that they are cooler than your body temp (body temp ~37C).

It is possible in humid conditions that water condenses on the radiator, which would then assist the cooling effect (by evaporation), possibly allowing your temps to fall slightly below ambient. However, we're only talking 1-2C here at most.

Many ta's......yes of course now my reason has been re-alined, makes perfect sense...