ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

[lawrywild]

Hmm voltage scaling on conroes is funny :D

3ghz stable - 1.3v real
+(0.25ghz)
3.25ghz stable - 1.4v real
+(0.13ghz)
3.38ghz not stable - 1.5v real

[kidstechno]

Is there anyway to enable manual timings after setting the SPD to automatic and getting the higher OC? Memtest just locks my system up if i try to lower the timings, and I can't get past 357ish without setting it to Auto :slapass:

[Crankybugga]

I cant beleive all the trouble people are having with this obviously shonky m/b. I might change my order to something less shonky, if there is such a thing. What else would be recommended for a retail 6600?

[Mykou]

I cant beleive all the trouble people are having with this obviously shonky m/b. I might change my order to something less shonky, if there is such a thing. What else would be recommended for a retail 6600?

P5W DH is a good mobo IMO, and with another one you'll get its own issues , be sure about that .

This mobo was one of the earliest to chip, so thread about issues is very consequent I think and lot of people right here blame it cos they can't reach clockings as we saw .

I think I'm a noob clocker but I learn every day from XS and I know too what are my limits beside guys more experienced

This mobo has to get more mature bios to be un "bon cru" as we said in France for good wine ;)

regards

[lawrywild]

I think all we need is the really basic issues to be fixed in a bios update and then more memory timings added. the spd thing is ridiculous, it's really the only real problem I have with this board..

[toledo]

I think all we need is the really basic issues to be fixed in a bios update and then more memory timings added. the spd thing is ridiculous, it's really the only real problem I have with this board..


Lawry ... One more issue to add to the list

BSOD when installing Windows XP SP2 . I got it installed when i disable the 1394 and the Jmicron controler in bios . Does anyone know what is going on ? :confused :

[BulldogPO]

New version of DH Remote driver has been released:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/misc/utils/DHRemote

BTW, does anybody know is it somehow possible to use MBM with P5W DH?

[Durzel]

Lawry ... One more issue to add to the list

BSOD when installing Windows XP SP2 . I got it installed when i disable the 1394 and the Jmicron controler in bios . Does anyone know what is going on ? :confused :Strange. I installed Windows XP SP2 with no issues with nothing disabled and the WiFi card plugged in.

[toledo]

Strange. I installed Windows XP SP2 with no issues with nothing disabled and the WiFi card plugged in.

It really does not make any sense . I was using bios 0401 at that time . What bios were you using ?

[bullet2urbrain]

It really does not make any sense . I was using bios 0401 at that time . What bios were you using ?

have you tried another PSU?

there was the thread regarding Antec NEO, but someone stated they had the same trouble with a Powerstream...

just a thought.

EDIT: im dumb, that person was... YOU !!! Sorry dude.

[lawrywild]

I guess it only happens to some people. I disable those types of devices in the bios usually on first boot, I never use or will use them so I automatically disable them.

I have every onboard device disabled in bios and the wifi card removed. Saves me the trouble of troubleshooting issues like that..

[toledo]

have you tried another PSU?

there was the thread regarding Antec NEO, but someone stated they had the same trouble with a Powerstream...

just a thought.

EDIT: im dumb, that person was... YOU !!! Sorry dude.

hahahaha :D . No problem

I`ve posted the same in other thread , i need to disable firewire and Jmicron controler using bios 0401 ..... I really don`t understand this board .

[playrh8r]

Has anyone tried hooking a 16x DVD burner successfully to the onboard JMicron PATA port? The Asus manual says it does not support ATAPI but the JMicron site says it does,

http://www.jmicron.com/JMB363.html

I was about to spring for a ITE 8212 PCI IDE card (also touchy for proper 16x DVD burner support) for my other DVD burners when I decided to pop by JMicron webbie for a doublecheck on ATAPI support.

I am having problems with my Samsung 16x DVD burner as the only conection on the PATA port. Ive used both the Asus supplied drivers and the new ones from Windows update. In each case when I access the optical drive my mouse becomes very slow and the system slows to a crawl. When the access is finished the computer returns to normal.

My temporary solution is to remove the jmicron raid software from the system . This gives me back my performance but I dont see any jmicron drivers in the device manager.

I'm considering just getting a SATA burner and selling my Samsung :(

Jeff

[MacClipper]

perhaps double check your settings/drivers with these posts,
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1516615&postcount=13
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1516865&postcount=19

You can check the burner DMA status with Nero Infotool too or CDSpeed (test the burst rate).

PS: I have no problems with running the new 18x Samsung burner on the JMicron.

[xgman]

BTW, does anybody know is it somehow possible to use MBM with P5W DH?


I forget exactly which one but one of the Asus P4C800 choices in MBM5 works everything except vcore.

[Brahmzy]

OK, I got my P5W last night and got everything installed fine and the thing's FAST. RAID0's running great. Cool.

PROBLEM:

Whenever I restart the computer from Windows, one of my HDDs clicks off and spins back up again. It's like the board kills power for a split second to during a reboot, causing it to spin back up. This then causes a slowdown during POST, because the BIOS has to wait to detect the HDD before it's at full spin speed. It does NOT do this with my 2 RAID0'd WD740ADFD Raptors, just my WD 250GB 16mb SATAII HDD. Or if it does do it to the Raptors, I can't tell because the BIOS detects them immediately. It's the weirdest thing.

The ONLY thing that's changed is going from a DS3 to a P5W. This never happened with my DS3. How can the mobo be killing power to a HDD during a reboot??? Any ideas?

My PSU is more than adequate and again, it never did this with my DS3. I'm on 1101 BIOS.

Thanks.

[Primoz78]

Has anyone resolved the problem on ram divider over 340FSB?...cause I got Gskills with D9 chips and I have them under 400mhz because the board don`t let me have them on any divider more than 1:1 :slapass:

Regards,
Primoz

[matt1]

OK, I got my P5W last night and got everything installed fine and the thing's FAST. RAID0's running great. Cool.

PROBLEM:

Whenever I restart the computer from Windows, one of my HDDs clicks off and spins back up again. It's like the board kills power for a split second to during a reboot, causing it to spin back up. This then causes a slowdown during POST, because the BIOS has to wait to detect the HDD before it's at full spin speed. It does NOT do this with my 2 RAID0'd WD740ADFD Raptors, just my WD 250GB 16mb SATAII HDD. Or if it does do it to the Raptors, I can't tell because the BIOS detects them immediately. It's the weirdest thing.

The ONLY thing that's changed is going from a DS3 to a P5W. This never happened with my DS3. How can the mobo be killing power to a HDD during a reboot??? Any ideas?

My PSU is more than adequate and again, it never did this with my DS3. I'm on 1101 BIOS.

Thanks.

I'm pretty sure it's meant to do that, my Asus board does the same thing, cuts power for a second then reboots - got to admit it's odd as I'm used to my old DFI NF4.

[jimborae]

I'm pretty sure it's meant to do that, my Asus board does the same thing, cuts power for a second then reboots - got to admit it's odd as I'm used to my old DFI NF4.

Yep mine does this when it's overclocked, powers off & and then powers back on when rebooting. Very strange.

[SteveS]

Anyone Know what it means if the power led is flashing all the time?
have I done something wrong or is it worse? I have never seen the LED flashing all the time before.

[Mykou]

Anyone Know what it means if the power led is flashing all the time?
have I done something wrong or is it worse? I have never seen the LED flashing all the time before.

hmmm no idea

did you plug it at the right place ?

[SteveS]

Yup I just finished putting everything together, and plugged in the power, turned it on at the back and instead of the LED coming on as it should it continuiously flashes.

Needless to say I pulled the power straight away. I have disconnected everything that has power attached and tried again. Same thing.

[lawrywild]

OK, I got my P5W last night and got everything installed fine and the thing's FAST. RAID0's running great. Cool.

PROBLEM:

Whenever I restart the computer from Windows, one of my HDDs clicks off and spins back up again. It's like the board kills power for a split second to during a reboot, causing it to spin back up. This then causes a slowdown during POST, because the BIOS has to wait to detect the HDD before it's at full spin speed. It does NOT do this with my 2 RAID0'd WD740ADFD Raptors, just my WD 250GB 16mb SATAII HDD. Or if it does do it to the Raptors, I can't tell because the BIOS detects them immediately. It's the weirdest thing.

The ONLY thing that's changed is going from a DS3 to a P5W. This never happened with my DS3. How can the mobo be killing power to a HDD during a reboot??? Any ideas?

My PSU is more than adequate and again, it never did this with my DS3. I'm on 1101 BIOS.

Thanks.

Mine does that too I think, I usually notice it during shutdown. I shutdown the rig, windows shutsdown and screen turns out then harddrive seems to go off and back on again, then 5 seconds or so later evrything will actually all turn off...

[lawrywild]

ok.. I'm really started to dislike this motherboard the more I try to push ocs

6 hours orthos stable at 3.24ghz.. I keep the same settings and run orthos, runs for about 10 mins without any errors then suddenly decides it wants to restart itself just like it did when I was testing 3.38ghz

WTF is up with this thing. It's not my psu.. not my harddrives.. not my cpu (errors come before restarts and already primed at that speed).. could be ram I guess.. it's stable in dual windows memtest so..

[matt1]

I sometimes get that too, testing stability is becoming a real pain at the moment because it's difficult to get consistent results. Originally primed 3.1G on 1.4v for 4 hours, so thought I'd see lowest volts for 3G, kept failing/crashing so now I'm on 1.38v and it seems to be happy. A64 + DFI NF4 was alot more straightforward. :(

[[G.N.U.]Fragman]

Yes, I think most of this is "platform" related limitations and not bugs at all.
true but that doesnt mean that he can call 80% of the ppl suckers in here....it might be platform related, but motherboard is still a part of the problem, even though it is not the real issue......but the mysterious way it acts when hitting walls really makes me think simon is on the right track......the real issue might be the chipset and how the board handles the RAM timings with high FSB....not something the users as such can do much about other than adjust to the situation.

[BigDisk]

Problem : Major incompatibility issue with Antec NeoHE Power Supply Units.

Symptoms (not exclusive):

Multiple (20 or more) un-installable Texas Instrument OCHI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controllers devices in Devices Manager;
Windows XP SP1/SP2/whatever hangs on install at exactly 34 minutes remaining;
User only able to install Windows XP after multiple (20+) tries;
Windows freezes on bootup or takes several minutes to boot up to desktop.


Solution : Use another brand of PSU! The incompatibility is more likely when using ASUS powersupplies (not only P5W DH). Antec pretends a BIOS update fixes this (no bios up to 1101 on P5W DH works). They also offer to fix the PSU via RMA (yet to be tested).

Props to Carcamel for the solution! You da man!


See my thread for more info about this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111370

That was my most frustrating build ever so far. But the reward should be plenty considering I upgrade from an Athlon XP :D

[toledo]

Mine does that too I think, I usually notice it during shutdown. I shutdown the rig, windows shutsdown and screen turns out then harddrive seems to go off and back on again, then 5 seconds or so later evrything will actually all turn off...

Almost the same here , i shutdown the rig but seems that the hard drive shuts down first ....i mean the mobo is cutting power from the drive before windows is off :confused: . This mobo is really weird

BTW i am using the same drive as Brahmzy (WD 250GB 16mb SATAII )

[Brahmzy]

Almost the same here , i shutdown the rig but seems that the hard drive shuts down first ....i mean the mobo is cutting power from the drive before windows is off :confused: . This mobo is really weird

BTW i am using the same drive as Brahmzy (WD 250GB 16mb SATAII )

I put my multimeter on both +5V and +12V leads on the HDD that's affected. Not even a blink of power loss. The HDD has FULL power when it flips off then on again.

So....SOMETHING in the mobo is sending some kindof signal through the SATA cable to bounce power on the HDD during a restart. WTF?...annoying as hell.

[toledo]

I put my multimeter on both +5V and +12V leads on the HDD that's affected. Not even a blink of power loss. The HDD has FULL power when it flips off then on again.

So....SOMETHING in the mobo is sending some kindof signal through the SATA cable to bounce power on the HDD during a restart. WTF?...annoying as hell.

Maybe the ICH7 controller does not like this HDD or it is crazy for some reason . I will install the latest chipset driver and see if it helps

[davexl]

I sometimes get that too, testing stability is becoming a real pain at the moment because it's difficult to get consistent results. Originally primed 3.1G on 1.4v for 4 hours, so thought I'd see lowest volts for 3G, kept failing/crashing so now I'm on 1.38v and it seems to be happy. A64 + DFI NF4 was alot more straightforward. :(

Thats funny - the opposite of my experiences. And I would suggest that what you might be seeing is a result of thinking that 4 hours priming = stable. That is nowhere near enough to tell.

I have seen failures at 16 hours, and even a heartbreaker on 36 hours on my DFI. In my experince, ASUS boards tend to be 'true" - they tell you rather quickly where their limits are. DFI was tantalising - awesome overclocks, but the Vcore needed to make them truly stable (24+hrs Prime95) was always way above what you started with.

I found using systool the quickest way to get there - do things the same way every time, use it to establish freeze/crash limits, the back off a couple of percent and test P95 for a long time. Quickest way to learn the limits.

[matt1]

Thats funny - the opposite of my experiences. And I would suggest that what you might be seeing is a result of thinking that 4 hours priming = stable. That is nowhere near enough to tell.

I know 4 hours isn't stable, it was just a quick test, but it was just the inconsistency of results that worried me.

I found using systool the quickest way to get there - do things the same way every time, use it to establish freeze/crash limits, the back off a couple of percent and test P95 for a long time. Quickest way to learn the limits.

I may have to try this :)

[hot_fifty]

or use setFSB.. works like a charm... So nice

[Mykou]

Does anybody know what Vich is supposed to improve in o/c ?

Just saw differents settings but always let them on auto for now and didn't retreive any interresting info about it

thanks :)

[lawrywild]

Thats funny - the opposite of my experiences. And I would suggest that what you might be seeing is a result of thinking that 4 hours priming = stable. That is nowhere near enough to tell.

I have seen failures at 16 hours, and even a heartbreaker on 36 hours on my DFI. In my experince, ASUS boards tend to be 'true" - they tell you rather quickly where their limits are. DFI was tantalising - awesome overclocks, but the Vcore needed to make them truly stable (24+hrs Prime95) was always way above what you started with.

I found using systool the quickest way to get there - do things the same way every time, use it to establish freeze/crash limits, the back off a couple of percent and test P95 for a long time. Quickest way to learn the limits.

Well I consider 6 hours orthos stable to be stable enough to run orthos again for 10 mins a few hours later.. no errors just shutdown..

[lawrywild]

I just reset mine to stock again... this shutdown issue is really starting to get on my nerves.. atleast the board is booting WAY faster at stock :)

PS: Anyone know if 0088 works with retail conroes?

[BigDisk]

I just reset mine to stock again... this shutdown issue is really starting to get on my nerves.. atleast the board is booting WAY faster at stock :)

PS: Anyone know if 0088 works with retail conroes?

Boot faster... You talking about the "cold boot OC protection feature" or just slower Windows XP boot?

I noticed mine takes more bars to load XP when OCed. Not 100% sure though

[lawrywild]

Mainly the cold boot thing + POST time (it takes less time to detect drives and enable the USB controller when at stock it seems)

windows load slightly faster oced

[toledo]

Mine sat at 52-53 (Ambient is 80F) all the time, I redid my airflow, pulled the covers off the sinks, it idles/loads at 46-49 dependent only on ambient. CPU sits at 30 idle, 45~ load, so.. yeah.

It's not a NB measurement, I've got a fan on it and it's cool to the touch. Or it's a totally f'ed up NB read.

I don't worry about it anymore, I've tried and tried to find the "omg it burns" spot, no luck :D

My mobo is showing 53C on the same ambient temperature . Hot as hell


I`m having problems to have a Presler at 4Ghz that use to run at 4.2ghz@1.3v on the P5WD2 ..... I can`t boot at 4Ghz no matter what :confused: , using bios 903 btw

[Mr.Kakarot]

Quick question, do all boards have these issues?

Also, is there a "best" bios for overclocking results?

any tips or advice (settings) greatly appreciated.

I have this mobo, mushkin xp2 pc2 6400 and an x6800. I am going to build it in 5 hours from now.

thx

[450tantrum]

:dammit: after doing the Illustrative prepare your ASUS P5W DH Deluxe i heard a pop sound and had smell smoke upon first boot after that. Keep in mind i ran the the motherboard flawlessly before the Illustrated Preperations. Now i get no post, no beep. Everything powers up and fans spin.

Bios is 0801

Is this motherboard officially defective or is there still hope

[MrJamela]

:dammit: after doing the Illustrative prepare your ASUS P5W DH Deluxe i heard a pop sound and had smell smoke upon first boot after that. Keep in mind i ran the the motherboard flawlessly before the Illustrated Preperations. Now i get no post, no beep. Everything powers up and fans spin.

Bios is 0801

Is this motherboard officially defective or is there still hope

Ok, I may be a noob, but I think you're in trouble.

[Primoz78]

:dammit: after doing the Illustrative prepare your ASUS P5W DH Deluxe i heard a pop sound and had smell smoke upon first boot after that. Keep in mind i ran the the motherboard flawlessly before the Illustrated Preperations. Now i get no post, no beep. Everything powers up and fans spin.

Bios is 0801

Is this motherboard officially defective or is there still hope

Have U used the AS5?...I think you made sth wrong and if there was some smoke your MOBO is gone :confused: ...put all the coolers apart again and check all the chips and resistors is there is sth strange or burned...

Reagrds,
Primoz

p.s. Hope it is just your MOBO and not the CPU or ram...cause in my case (DFI NF4+opteron) the MOBO has burned the CPU too...:slapass:

[450tantrum]

Have U used the AS5?...I think you made sth wrong and if there was some smoke your MOBO is gone :confused: ...put all the coolers apart again and check all the chips and resistors is there is sth strange or burned...

Reagrds,
Primoz

p.s. Hope it is just your MOBO and not the CPU or ram...cause in my case (DFI NF4+opteron) the MOBO has burned the CPU too...:slapass:


I cant find any physical damage and i didnt see smoke but i did smell it...Everything still powers on but no post....i also noticed it killed my RAM that were in at the time, but again no physical damage.....tommorrow my new RAM comes in i hope that helps and doesnt become damaged themselves from being used on this motherboard

[450tantrum]

Have U used the AS5?...I think you made sth wrong

Reagrds,
Primoz

p.s. Hope it is just your MOBO and not the CPU or ram...cause in my case (DFI NF4+opteron) the MOBO has burned the CPU too...:slapass:


what do you mean by "AS5" and "sth"

[Primoz78]

If I were you I won`t put the new ram in this mobo!...just send it in RMA if there are no physical damage! I`m pretty sure it will kill your new ram if you put it in!

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. AS5= Arctic silver 5 thermal paste...it is conductive so there is a possibility you have made a short-circuit (I don`t know it is the wright word for this...)...sth=something

[450tantrum]

If I were you I won`t put the new ram in this mobo!...just send it in RMA if there are no physical damage! I`m pretty sure it will kill your new ram if you put it in!

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. AS5= Arctic silver 5 thermal paste...it is conductive so there is a possibility you have made a short-circuit (I don`t know it is the wright word for this...)...sth=something
I believe that is Exactly what happened...So is a short circuit fixable or is that automatic RMA

[Durzel]

I believe that is Exactly what happened...So is a short circuit fixable or is that automatic RMAJust RMA it. If it's nuked your RAM something is seriously wrong and I wouldn't even trust it at all. For the sake of a few days you're better off getting a new board.

I assume you didn't remove the covers from the heatsinks yet? If you did, find a way to glue them back on :)

[lawrywild]

AS5 is not conductive. It's very slightly capacitive and usually nothing to worry about.

I doubt you shorted something with as5. Smell around the board, usually your nose will take you to where the burning smell is coming from so you will know if it's the nb smds..

[lawrywild]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8715/3ghzrg7.png

Stable enough? :D

[Ad1tya]

Problem : Major incompatibility issue with Antec NeoHE Power Supply Units.

Symptoms (not exclusive):

Multiple (20 or more) un-installable Texas Instrument OCHI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controllers devices in Devices Manager;
Windows XP SP1/SP2/whatever hangs on install at exactly 34 minutes remaining;
User only able to install Windows XP after multiple (20+) tries;
Windows freezes on bootup or takes several minutes to boot up to desktop.


Solution : Use another brand of PSU! The incompatibility is more likely when using ASUS powersupplies (not only P5W DH). Antec pretends a BIOS update fixes this (no bios up to 1101 on P5W DH works). They also offer to fix the PSU via RMA (yet to be tested).

Props to Carcamel for the solution! You da man!


See my thread for more info about this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111370

That was my most frustrating build ever so far. But the reward should be plenty considering I upgrade from an Athlon XP :D

Well..

I had NO problems at all, running my NeoHE 500W (The New rev. which was supposed to be fixed, btw) along with the P5B / P5W-DH and an X6800..
Got the X6800 to 4 Ghz, on Air, with it as well.

I didnt have even 1 problem with the PSU.

[_WHAT_]

Hey

I just got my P5W Dh Deluxe and E6600.

My problem is I am runing 4 SATA HD drives and no raid.

As I see there is only 3 sata connections + the raid's.

I would like to use my 4 drives with no raid any way of doing this ??

Thx in advance

[MacClipper]

You probably missed the 4th SATA port - the solo standing JMicron SATA connector right next to the I/O area of the mobo.

[_WHAT_]

You probably missed the 4th SATA port - the solo standing JMicron SATA connector right next to the I/O area of the mobo.
Should it work if connectet there...

I tryed using one of the orange slots near the usb & firewire ports...

[Topazali]

Not sure if anybody else has seen this:-

http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=83477

"Mine isn't having this problem at present. You've probably already done this, but make sure the copper heatsinks on the Northbridge etc have their plastic cover removed. It's quite hard to spot at first, but there are 3 copper parts with a plastic sheath over them to prevent damage during transport.

If you missed that, it would likely explain the temperatures."

Kicking myself for missing the plastic!

BigAl

[lawrywild]

I took that plastic off the first day I got them. That plastic doesn't get in the way anyway because those metal plates are hardly connected to the main heatsinks at all so don't pick up much heat. It's much better to just remove the metal covers completely...

[fornowagain]

Kicking myself for missing the plastic!

BigAl
Just take the covers off all together, nothing but double sided tape holding them on. All they do is stop the air flow, stupid design.

[$oul]

Should it work if connectet there...

I tryed using one of the orange slots near the usb & firewire ports...

Yes it works with the orange one.
I have 4 sata hd's connected that way.
It worked straight away without doing anything in bios.

did anyone try the vmch mod to get more volts and did it help to raise fsb ?

[maverik-sg1]

I'd love a BIOS that unlocks the multiplier on Step 6 retail units :)

[hot_fifty]

I'd love a BIOS that unlocks the multiplier on Step 6 retail units :)

dream on:slapass:

[Mykou]

they did it with P5B so come on P5W DH asus team ....

[hot_fifty]

seriusly.. could be so nice

[Durzel]

I'd love a BIOS that unlocks the multiplier on Step 6 retail units :)I've love a BIOS (i.e. not CrystalCPUID) that unlocks the multiplier on Step 5 ES chips. No multiplier change option visible in either BIOS 903 or 1101.

[Primoz78]

Hmmm...It looks like I have a FSB wall on my P5W around 415FSB...I can`t pass it even with:

VCORE 1.60V
VMCH: 1.65V
VFSB: 1.40V
VICH: 1.20V

Ram on SPD....
Divider 8 and 9...

Any suggestion? I`m using the 1101 BIOS, CPU water cooled by high-end water cooling...The system hang up and the screen freezes or just restart...:shrug: :dammit:

Regards,
Primoz

[Brahmzy]

You got a retail E6600 up to 415FSB?!?!?!

[Primoz78]

@Brahmzy why not?...there are a lot of B2 chips at this speed...and more, for testing not 24/7 ;)

Regards,
Primoz

[nettwerk2006]

Motherboard: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Vcore: 1.55 BIOS selected.
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.4
vDimm: 2.1V
vMCH: 1.60

FSB: 380
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7865/e6600bj3.th.png (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e6600bj3.png)

[jozzy]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8715/3ghzrg7.png

Stable enough? :D

could you tell us the settings? thx :toast:

[lawrywild]

could you tell us the settings? thx :toast:

I will take photos with my mobile phone (cell phone for you Americans).

For now, here's another. From now on I think Large FFTs is the way to go, it's tests more the stability of the overall system but still stresses the cpu to the full aswell.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2461/3153te6.png

[ic3m4n2005]

Try using 2 instances of newest prime version then make torture test-> custom-> klick "run FFTs in place" . For me Orthos was stable but this crashes after a min. So give it a try. You can run 2 instances by by using commandline parameters -> ...prime95.exe -aX . X=1 CPUCore 1 and X=2 CPUCore 2

[lawrywild]

Try using 2 instances of newest prime version then make torture test-> custom-> klick "run FFTs in place" . For me Orthos was stable but this crashes after a min. So give it a try. You can run 2 instances by by using commandline parameters -> ...prime95.exe -aX . X=1 CPUCore 1 and X=2 CPUCore 2

can't be assed, the cpu is stable.

Oh and what you're telling me to do is exactly what I already ran. Notice to Large, in-place FFTs option is selected? That IS running 2 instances of what you want me to run.

[Hyperformance]

Hmmm...It looks like I have a FSB wall on my P5W around 415FSB...I can`t pass it even with:

VCORE 1.60V
VMCH: 1.65V
VFSB: 1.40V
VICH: 1.20V

Ram on SPD....
Divider 8 and 9...

Any suggestion? I`m using the 1101 BIOS, CPU water cooled by high-end water cooling...The system hang up and the screen freezes or just restart...:shrug: :dammit:

Regards,
Primoz

Im having the same problem at the same place. mines hitting wall @ 414fsb with my oem e6700. Ive found if i set the memory settings to spd with 1:1 I can boot in and pass 32m super pi and dual primes @ 424mhz but my memory defaults to 5-6-6-12 :rolleyes: havent had as much time as Id like to play with it though. this weekend im going to play around with memset some more and see if i cant get any higher.

this could just be the mch hitting its limit though as its unmodded board and only doing 1.65 mch. if I cant get around the 414mhz with normal timmings im going to do the vmod on it sunday

[Mykou]

Have a question , actually it 's been 2 days my P5w DH doesn't boot in the morning .It just halt at drives detection and I must reset and confirm bios changes and everything's ok then

Is it what you call "cold boot bug" ?

If so , how can I manage to avoid that ?

just annoying :)

[Brahmzy]

@Brahmzy why not?...there are a lot of B2 chips at this speed...and more, for testing not 24/7 ;)

Regards,
Primoz

I don't think there's a lot of retail E6600's @ 9x able to hit 415FSB bootable- testing or no testing. Definitely not on air.

Most air guys are hitting walls around 360FSB-370FSB, including myself. I can do 3.4GHz but with WAY too much VCore.

[ic3m4n2005]

can't be assed, the cpu is stable.

Oh and what you're telling me to do is exactly what I already ran. Notice to Large, in-place FFTs option is selected? That IS running 2 instances of what you want me to run.

Every person has his own opinion of being stable, just wrote that for everyone here. Have tried Orthos first and was very happy to see that everything is stable, just like in your case, but after trying this i had my doubts about Orthos even though it`s the same core of prime :confused:

[John600rr]

I'm convinced that it is my E6600 giving up on me and not my motherboard.

I need a lot of VCore to clock higher. No other settings seem to help, other than setting RAM to SPD above 370fsb.

To run 375FSB I need 1.55 VCore. No other settings needed. I can get into Windows at 400FSB @ 1.55Vcore, but in no way is it stable (even 1.65 isn't stable), maybe for 1M, but thats it.

If I lower the multi to 8, it's stable for hours on dual SP2004. Can't run even 2 seconds at a multi of 9. From my somehwat limited experience Im assuming my CPU just isn't as great as some of them out there. But hey, a 3375mhz Conroe aint too bad, I'm happy enough with it.

[nettwerk2006]

The magic number for my E6600 L624A824 seems to be 370FSB as well @ 1.5V
Going any higher requires excessive amounts of vcore.

[Shrekogre]

I'm convinced that it is my E6600 giving up on me and not my motherboard.

I need a lot of VCore to clock higher. No other settings seem to help, other than setting RAM to SPD above 370fsb.

To run 375FSB I need 1.55 VCore. No other settings needed. I can get into Windows at 400FSB @ 1.55Vcore, but in no way is it stable (even 1.65 isn't stable), maybe for 1M, but thats it.

If I lower the multi to 8, it's stable for hours on dual SP2004. Can't run even 2 seconds at a multi of 9. From my somehwat limited experience Im assuming my CPU just isn't as great as some of them out there. But hey, a 3375mhz Conroe aint too bad, I'm happy enough with it.

how did u lower multi on the p5w dh deluxe?

[John600rr]

how did u lower multi on the p5w dh deluxe?

http://crystalmark.info/download/index-e.html

Download CrsytalCPUID and have fun.

It lets you modify the mutliplier downward via EIST. But it works well.

[lawrywild]

Every person has his own opinion of being stable, just wrote that for everyone here. Have tried Orthos first and was very happy to see that everything is stable, just like in your case, but after trying this i had my doubts about Orthos even though it`s the same core of prime :confused:

well did you run Orthos with Large, in-place FFTs as you did with prime 95?

[topboy]

Guys

Dont know if this has been covered already but here goes.

I have just built this rig and was getting alot of instability in windows.

Have just refitted my ram into the black slots and all is well know.

Not sure why this is as the manual says to use the orange slots first...but hey it worked for me.

[lawrywild]

Orange slots fine here

Has anyone else notice that you can Run dual channel with slot combinations:

1+3, 2+4, 2+3, 1+4

[topboy]

They just released the new 1101 bios Official

ES Thread

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112082

[Nathanael]

NeoHE related:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112089

[Dreamer-1982]

I have a booting related problem with my P5W DH Deluxe:

First my systemspecs:
I use 2 SATA2 drives on the ICH7R in RAID0.
I use 4 SATA drives on my Promise FastTrak S150 SX4 in RAID5.

The problem is that when I enable the SATA bootrom for the ICH7R the system doesn't want to boot from a bootcd / bootdisk, it just hangs. When I disconnect the FastTrak the problem is solved and also when I leave in the FastTrak and disable the ICH7R bootrom it is solved, but I want to boot from ICH7R, because I'm installing windows on RAID0 (ICH7R). I've flashed the newest (1101) bios, but I can't get the ICH7R (with bootrom) and the FastTrak to work together. And the funny thing is that something like Memtest will boot and works fine, but my normal bootcd with Partition Magic 8 won't boot and neither will XP SP2 bootcd.

I used the same setup on my previous machine (P4 2.8 @ Abit IC7-G) without any problems. I have the newest BIOS in my FastTrak.

Does anybody has a clue on how to solve this??

[topboy]

I was getting that problem as well.

With 3 disks on the ICH7R in Raid 0 it would hang at boot shed loads of times.

I unplugged the disks...wam bam straight into bios no probs.

I think this board sucks to be honest. My bios update has gone bang so im taking the board back tomorrow to change it for something else.

[matt1]

I think this board sucks to be honest. My bios update has gone bang so im taking the board back tomorrow to change it for something else.

You could request a new BIOS chip. I don't think this board is bad, just not as easy going as some.

[Cocacola]

is it possible with new bios we can set vmch up to 1,85v ?
or its hardware related to get 1.85?
thanks

[MrJamela]

Perhaps its just me, but is anyone else having issues with the OCZ PC2-6400 Platinum Edition RAM and this motherboard? I'm thinking this might be responsible for some of the odd problems I'm having despite an otherwise stable overclock.

Jaime

[ic3m4n2005]

well did you run Orthos with Large, in-place FFTs as you did with prime 95?

No, i did small ffts for stressing cpu as intended by Orthos. But if everything is stable it should be no problem to run it. Ram and Board coudn`t be the prob here since i checked it running 410 FSB 1:1 with lower multi and got no problems after all. CPU test was with under 400 FSB.

[leejsmith]

this is not a problem or fix just interested in how differant programs stress the core 2 and how the v core droops.
i used speed fan to record vcore and motherboard temps plus coretemp for direct core monitoring.
i am seeing about 0.05v droop under dual prime and temps shoot way up but with super pi 4m and 1m , 3dmark2k1 and half llife 2 only a small increase.
so far i have found no software i run that works the core2 as much as dual prime so do i need to be dual prime stable ?.
later i think i will try divx encoding and 3dmark 2005/2006 cpu tests.
this is at 380fsb 3.42ghz 1.51vcore in bios

http://www.ljsnet.co.uk/core2/temps.gif

[eva2000]

is it possible with new bios we can set vmch up to 1,85v ?
or its hardware related to get 1.85?
thanks
P5W DH has been revised on the hardware level for the higher MCH volts so bios won't help.. you need the updated version to get higher MCH

[miochza]

I believe this is a problem with the mobo. The problem comes with using a software fan controller such as speedfan. I CANNOT control my fans. I have my Big Typhoon hooked up to the CPU Fan connector, my 12 cm intake hooked up to the Chasis Fan 2 Connector, and my 12 cm exhaust hooked up to the Aux Fan controller. Speedfan READS the speeds of these fans correctly, but if I lower the speed % down to say 50%, the speed is still max RPMs, and thus LOUD for 24/7 use.

[eva2000]

I believe this is a problem with the mobo. The problem comes with using a software fan controller such as speedfan. I CANNOT control my fans. I have my Big Typhoon hooked up to the CPU Fan connector, my 12 cm intake hooked up to the Chasis Fan 2 Connector, and my 12 cm exhaust hooked up to the Aux Fan controller. Speedfan READS the speeds of these fans correctly, but if I lower the speed % down to say 50%, the speed is still max RPMs, and thus LOUD for 24/7 use.
solution = rheobus :D

[miochza]

solution = rheobus :D

Is that my only solution? Can everyone else control their fans via Speedfan on the p5W dh?

[Baraka]

P5W DH has been revised on the hardware level for the higher MCH volts...

What is the board revision ?

Mine is 1.02G
Bios 1101 -> MCH max = 1.65v

Look next to first RAM slot (DIMM_A1)

[Brahmzy]

Perhaps its just me, but is anyone else having issues with the OCZ PC2-6400 Platinum Edition RAM and this motherboard? I'm thinking this might be responsible for some of the odd problems I'm having despite an otherwise stable overclock.

Jaime

My OCZ has run great on both the DS3 and this P5W. Of couse my E6600's only letting me go to 360-370, so I'm not using the RAM at high FSB.

[Cocacola]

What is the board revision ?

Mine is 1.02G
Bios 1101 -> MCH max = 1.65v

Look next to first RAM slot (DIMM_A1)

yeah i would like to know too.
if theres no revision change.. then how can we know that its the newer revision which carry 1001 bios on it.

[lawrywild]

No, i did small ffts for stressing cpu as intended by Orthos. But if everything is stable it should be no problem to run it. Ram and Board coudn`t be the prob here since i checked it running 410 FSB 1:1 with lower multi and got no problems after all. CPU test was with under 400 FSB.

WELL THERE YOU GO!

Take a look around the forums. Plenty of people saying Small FFTs is stable and Large FFTs is not. Take a look around the forum... I bet if you had run Orthos large FFTs it would do the same as prime95, and also that prime95 small FFTs would have run fine...

You can't compare apples to oranges :slap:

[[G.N.U.]Fragman]

Had some problems with PCI-E lanes when only running 1 nvidia gfx card...sometimes it would only be at 1X or 8X speed..8X wont make a difference in my case, but set slot power to heavier instead of auto...now its working fine, and my boot times are far faster!..dont know why.

[Pjoeloe]

wow guys, I`m a little shocked to see these bad results in combination with a e6600 and this board. I thought the asus did 9 x 450 out of the box with retail e6600 but I gues I`m very wrong :eek:

I have a ds3 with a retail e6600 doing 9 x 400 cas 4-4-4 and thought this was bad ( me want 8 x 500 ) and was thinking to upgrade to a biostar tforce or this board, seems to me 8 x 500 or even 9 x 450 is not reasonable for a retail conroe e6600 and air ?? .... :rolleyes:

[zoob]

I have a ds3 with a retail e6600 doing 9 x 400 cas 4-4-4 and thought this was bad ( me want 8 x 500 ) and was thinking to upgrade to a biostar tforce or this board, seems to me 8 x 500 or even 9 x 450 is not reasonable for a retail conroe e6600 and air ?? .... :rolleyes:

You're very lucky to get 9 x 400 so easily! Can you give us more details about your chip?

[Pjoeloe]

I don`t have a week number or something if you want to know that, but, do you remember http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=11 ? The amazing conroe buying guide :).... They were hitting like 450 mhz fsb easily and they said the p5w DH was the best overclocking board well. Maybe they were testing with another engineering sample e6700.....

A few guy`s here @ ES bought the biostar tforce 965 and were hitting an fsb wall of like 350 mhz.

[Brahmzy]

Can you find the week # for us? Also is this air, water, phase?

Bootable?

[Pjoeloe]

no, because it`s already in my comp , yes all on air and afcourse bootable and benchible but wtf, 9 x 400 is not an OC !, 10 x 500 is , that`s an overclock :stick: , if you want the info check the ds3 topics where I posted.

[zoob]

It's also located on the retail box. Considering you got 1200 extra MHz, I think that's an impressive air OC :P

[Pjoeloe]

hmmm , look in http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110460&page=15 , the avarage fsb is like 470 mhz there :p: but the ds3 is limiting to like 3600 mhz , maybe a bios update will fix that.

[Brahmzy]

Uh, yeah...for the E6300/6400...the E6600's just don't go that high.

Am I missing something or are you?

[miochza]

Uh, yeah...for the E6300/6400...the E6600's just don't go that high.

Am I missing something or are you?

He is. DS3 is a popular board for 6300/6400, skewing the average FSB.

[alpha0ne]

Can you find the week # for us? Also is this air, water, phase?

Bootable?

As per my sig is bootable @ 3960MHz using 1.515 Vcore, any higher V makes no difference and any higher than 3.96GHz is hit and miss re being bootable :)

[The Asgard]

As per my sig is bootable @ 3960MHz using 1.515 Vcore, any higher V makes no difference and any higher than 3.96GHz is hit and miss re being bootable :)

Is that Bios Volts or Droop ?

[maukka]

I believe this is a problem with the mobo. The problem comes with using a software fan controller such as speedfan. I CANNOT control my fans.

Controlling the fan speeds with speedfan works fine if you just disable q-fan from bios or AiBooster. There is three independent controls for the fan headers: PWR1/PWR2, CPU, CHA1/CHA2.

[matt1]

I'm thinking of dropping down to an Allendale E6300/6400 with my Asus P5W DH, but I specifically bought this bought for Conroe core.. nevermind. What sort of average FSB are people hitting with Allendale on air cooling, just wondering if it's a viable change - really would prefer an E6300 to save the most money.

[Pjoeloe]

Uh, yeah...for the E6300/6400...the E6600's just don't go that high.
Am I missing something or are you?
that`s not my point, what I wanted to say here, I think it`s not the e6600 conroe cpu what`s people holding back in fsb, I think it`s the asus board ( partically the biosses ) . I`ve got 2 friends with also e6600`s and p5w dh`s, they can`t get high fsb`s, we switched to ds3, >> high fsb`s :rolleyes:
I have run some bencharks and 9 x 400 or 8 x 450 doesn`t seem to care much, I get more fps`s in fear with the higher multiplyer, but, future will tell with all the bios updates. I think the bios is the major fsb wall currently. I see the asus doing 9 x 450 in the future without any mods and cold booting, ds3 same story :)

[lawrywild]

Got mine stable 24/7 3.2ghz (356X9) with 1.385v real (10 hours large FFTs in ORTHOS)

I'll get pics of my BIOS if anyone wants to try my settings.

[alpha0ne]

Is that Bios Volts or Droop ?

Thats the Vcore set in bios

[$oul]

that`s not my point, what I wanted to say here, I think it`s not the e6600 conroe cpu what`s people holding back in fsb, I think it`s the asus board ( partically the biosses ) . I`ve got 2 friends with also e6600`s and p5w dh`s, they can`t get high fsb`s, we switched to ds3, >> high fsb`s :rolleyes:
I have run some bencharks and 9 x 400 or 8 x 450 doesn`t seem to care much, I get more fps`s in fear with the higher multiplyer, but, future will tell with all the bios updates. I think the bios is the major fsb wall currently. I see the asus doing 9 x 450 in the future without any mods and cold booting, ds3 same story :)

Did you run prime or orthos for a few hours? I can easily run pi, 3dmark06 etc at 3.6ghz.
But running orthos reboots my pc after a few minutes.

[topboy]

how do you change the multi on these boards so you can down the multi

[Mykou]

how do you change the multi on these boards so you can down the multi

You can't with that bios

[topboy]

So whats the latest bios that allows you to modify the multi

Thanks in advance for the help

[lawrywild]

So far there isn't a bios that allows it.

You need to use EIST in windows

[topboy]

Great so that screws. No way of running 1:1 on my ram at boot then. Think Asus need to sort this board out quick with new bios and new features in it.

[Pjoeloe]

" High fsb`s like 500 mhz can be done by raising the chipset MCH voltage.

On average, every 0.05V increase results into additional 7-8MHz. As a result, if you want to use up the entire clock generator potential that theoretically supports up to 500MHz FSB frequency, you should raise the voltage on the chipset North Bridge up to 1.85-1.9V. The maximum voltage setting allowed in the mainboard BIOS Setup is only 1.65V. This is the major limiting factor for successful Core 2 Duo overclocking"

problem solved with the e6600. MCH needs almost 2 V for 500 mhz :p: . That afcourse in combination with a few minor bios updates.....

[topboy]

" High fsb`s like 500 mhz can be done by raising the chipset MCH voltage.

On average, every 0.05V increase results into additional 7-8MHz. As a result, if you want to use up the entire clock generator potential that theoretically supports up to 500MHz FSB frequency, you should raise the voltage on the chipset North Bridge up to 1.85-1.9V. The maximum voltage setting allowed in the mainboard BIOS Setup is only 1.65V. This is the major limiting factor for successful Core 2 Duo overclocking"

problem solved with the e6600. MCH needs almost 2 V for 500 mhz :p: . That afcourse in combination with a few minor bios updates.....

While that maybe the case, it still doesnt help when you cant change the multi on these boards does it...or am i a newbie getting something wrong here.

Surely 500 FSB would make my E6700 run at 5Ghz with the multi locked at x10. So unless i can down the multi (or i have a Ubber proc that does 5Ghz) then we are screwed surely........Oh god i can hear the ROFL comments coming already...lol

[lawrywild]

Here's my bios screens.. very stable on these settings, give them a go if you want..

Vcore - 1.385v REAL under 100% Load (yes big vdroop I know)

BIOS Revision 1101 Official

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6529/dscf0013td9.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7273/dscf0003jl7.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1638/dscf0002mm5.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2532/dscf0005ov0.jpg
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2987/dscf0006kn1.jpg

Hope it helps anyone getting really bad clocks..

[topboy]

Thanks for your time and information lawrywild

Quick questions. You have the onboard NICs disabled. What are you using instead?

And

What does the Virtulization Technology setting do?

[lawrywild]

http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/

I have a Belkin USB 54mbps wireless adaptor which I use instead ;)

[Mykou]

Here's my bios screens.. very stable on these settings, give them a go if you want..

Vcore - 1.385v REAL under 100% Load (yes big vdroop I know)

BIOS Revision 1101 Official

Hope it helps anyone getting really bad clocks..

Larry can't you set tighten timings for your ram?

With G skill 6400@350 mhz 1:1 I can run them at 3-3-3-12 and 4-4-4-12@438 mhz

I feel lucky with 24/7 3.5ghz@1.48v bios dual prime stable so

[lawrywild]

Larry can't you set tighten timings for your ram?

With G skill 6400@350 mhz 1:1 I can run them at 3-3-3-12 and 4-4-4-12@438 mhz

I feel lucky with 24/7 3.5ghz@1.48v bios dual prime stable so

I have set the timings :stick:

I have crap adata stuff atm (stock ddr2-667 5-5-5-15) (cost £90 for 2GB off ebay) until I can afford better stuff.. (this isn't the adata extreme range stuff)

[topboy]

Ahh ok so Virtulization Technology really only helps if you are running some VM hosts on your PC. Like VMware and Microsoft Virtual machine software, otherwise its useless.

Cool i wondered about that

Also just to point out about your settings. If you set the PCIX Preq to 115 like yours is AND you are using the onboard Nic then it will fail. Just changed a couple of settings to like yours Inc the PCIX Freq and when windows loaded i had nio NIC. Changed it back and it works now. Must be somthing to do with the Onboard NIC using the PCIX bus.

[lawrywild]

Ahh ok so Virtulization Technology really only helps if you are running some VM hosts on your PC. Like VMware and Microsoft Virtual machine software, utherwise its useless.

Cool i wondered about that

Also just to point out about your settings. If you set the PCIX Preq to 115 like yours is AND you are using the onboard Nic then it will fail. Just changed a couple of settings to like yours Inc the PCIX Freq and when windows loaded i had nio NIC. Changed it back and it works now. Must be somthing to do with the Onboard NIC using the PCIX bus.

Ya, depending on the board, at too high a pci-e freq, the onboard lan will crap out.

The pci freq isn't really important, keep it at 105 or 110, whatever you want tbh lol..

ps: vmch and vich usually ( on my previous asus boards) allow you to run higher pci-e freq without loosing onboard lan

[syne_24]

Hmm I didnt like the 1101 beta bios at all; very unstable. Is the 1101 official different? There is definitely a wall at 390-400 fsb but if you take out one stick of ram you can actually do 415 fsb; benchable 1M Super Pi

[lawrywild]

Hmm I didnt like the 1101 beta bios at all; very unstable. Is the 1101 official different? There is definitely a wall at 390-400 fsb but if you take out one stick of ram you can actually do 415 fsb; benchable 1M Super Pi

1101 was never in the BETA stage, it has only ever been an Official bios.

I get the same fsb "wall" (it's not really a wall btw, increasing vcore DOES help. A wall is where 1fsb increase will result in the board not POSTing or something) in every bios I've tried on this board

[syne_24]

ok so i'm not going back to 1101 then. My wall is 415 right now even with 1.57v havent try 1.6 yet.

[topboy]

I really hope they unlock the Multi in this bios that and fix the stability problems. Im expecting my local dealer to get some X6800s and Bad axes in soon. Might jump ship and try that combo unless Asus fix this baord.

[lawrywild]

what really peeves me off is that ASUS have given the p5b-dlx an awesome bios with lots of memory timing options and multi adjustment.

The p5wdh is more expensive than the p5b-deluxe yet we get a crappy unstable bios.

[syne_24]

I know thats another ghey part. I guess coming from an FX cpu I've been spoiled. But they should let you lower the multiply atleast so I can try that magical "7" on the DS3 board people are having. I know you can lower it in windows but it doesnt seem like the best approach.

[syne_24]

what really peeves me off is that ASUS have given the p5b-dlx an awesome bios with lots of memory timing options and multi adjustment.

The p5wdh is more expensive than the p5b-deluxe yet we get a crappy unstable bios.

I know thats whack too bro, I'm thinking of picking up one at Fry's to test it out. Are they having luck with it on a E6600 or lower?

[lawrywild]

I think they're doing better with e6600s than p5wdh's lol.. :rolleyes:

[matt1]

What's the highest FSB anyone can get to with this board, I dropped the multi in windows using CrystalCPUID and the highest I could get is 441 - anything above just freezes. Voltages didn't seem to make a difference. All on air ;)

[syne_24]

I just read through Tony's post and I kinda get it a little bit. From what he's saying we are limiting around 400fsb is because of the NB chipset. When you raise the cpu fsb 400+ the chipset is maxing out and cause instability. I guess unless Asus give us an option to lock the chipset at 1066 strap; it's near impossible to overcome that 400 barrier.

[matt1]

syne_24, please link me :)

[toledo]

syne_24, please link me :)


I would like also ... :)

[syne_24]

sorry I thought you guys read it before :)

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22297

[Brahmzy]

that`s not my point, what I wanted to say here, I think it`s not the e6600 conroe cpu what`s people holding back in fsb, I think it`s the asus board ( partically the biosses ) . I`ve got 2 friends with also e6600`s and p5w dh`s, they can`t get high fsb`s, we switched to ds3, >> high fsb`s :rolleyes:
I have run some bencharks and 9 x 400 or 8 x 450 doesn`t seem to care much, I get more fps`s in fear with the higher multiplyer, but, future will tell with all the bios updates. I think the bios is the major fsb wall currently. I see the asus doing 9 x 450 in the future without any mods and cold booting, ds3 same story :)

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.

[miochza]

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.

I don't even know if other forms of cooling would help. I don't have high temps at all, just requires way too much voltage after a certain point (around 3.4 ghz)

[Brahmzy]

I don't even know if other forms of cooling would help. I don't have high temps at all, just requires way too much voltage after a certain point (around 3.4 ghz)

Yup. My experience EXACTLY. Sure you'll have the few folks that got a really good chip that can hit 3.6GHz on air without killing their CPU - but they're a VERY small percentage.

[Pjoeloe]

On the E6600's - it IS the chip holding us back NOT the mobos. I had a DS3 before my P5W DH and I was hitting the EXACT same wall with the DS3 as I am with the P5W. It's gotta be the extra cache. Hardly any of the 4mb chips are doing better than 1GHz OC on air without skyrocketing the VCore.

So, if you want high FSB with a RETAIL E6600....you ain't gonna get it-not on air anyway. The chips don't do it. Desn't matter which mobo you have. This is my opinion and my experience. E6300/E6400 - different story. I'd buy another DS3 if I had one of those.
well brahmzy, I don`t wanna have a discussion about this, I`m not such a guy :cool: ( franky I don`t give a xxxx what you or something think :cool: ) but I think it`s a bios issue. I don`t see the logic of needing major more Vcore or something else. We see in the near future

[lawrywild]

Personally I don't think it's either

I think it is the Intel 965/975

[Brahmzy]

well brahmzy, I don`t wanna have a discussion about this, I`m not such a guy :cool: ( franky I don`t give a xxxx what you or something think :cool: ) but I think it`s a bios issue. I don`t see the logic of needing major more Vcore or something else. We see in the near future

Yes we will, and I don't give a hoot what you think either. :)

Personally I don't think it's either

I think it is the Intel 965/975

We'll soon find out how these new nVidia boards do. I'm tempted just to pick one up myself for an experiment.

[lawrywild]

No need for swearing, either of you.

[Brahmzy]

No need for swearing, either of you.

You're right. Edited my post.

[lawrywild]

We'll soon find out how these new nVidia boards do. I'm tempted just to pick one up myself for an experiment.

If I have enough money to spare I will, but only once they have been tried and tested. I'm not going to be an early adopter on them.

Besides, I'm still very pleased coming from a 2.7ghz X2 (extremely hot and power consuming @ 1.55v) to a nice 3.2ghz conroe (extremely cool and low volts). I have noticed a big difference in real gaming performance (cs:s).

[miochza]

How much did you gain in average FPS? I didnt gain much at all in the CS:S stress test @ 1280 x 1024 (shouldn't be THAT gfx limited) which surprised me. Which is why I turned to graphics card OCing, VF900 on its way :)

[lawrywild]

How much did you gain in average FPS? I didnt gain much at all, which surprised me. Which is why I turned to graphics card OCing, VF900 on its way :)

oh, I didn't really monitor it but at 4xAA/16xAF with my X2 whenever I got flashed, I would drop to about 30-40fps but with the conroe it keeps nice and steady at my monitor's refresh rate (60hz atm).

[miochza]

haha I hate getting flashed. "You" get dizzy anyway so I'm sure it was very playable w/ the X2.

[lawrywild]

haha I hate getting flashed. "You" get dizzy anyway so I'm sure it was very playable w/ the X2.

Yeh it was playable but when you want to play competatively you don't want any drops in FPS so I generally just ran 2x/8x with the X2.

I hate getting flashed, especially getting multiple flashes one after the other, but I like using flashes :D

[Pjoeloe]

Yes we will, and I don't give a hoot what you think either. :)
We'll soon find out how these new nVidia boards do. I'm tempted just to pick one up myself for an experiment.
http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/heart.gif is in the air http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/devil.gif

[Brahmzy]

Haha! :D

[Pjoeloe]

Guy`s maybe this is another solution for your problems :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=112085

buy a asus p5b non deluxe http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/worshippy.gif , its cheap

[miochza]

His chip is a stepping 5 ES... you REALLY are pushing your "its not the chip it's the board" belief aren't you?

[Pjoeloe]

yup !! me is http://gathering.tweakers.net/global/smileys/rc5.gif . I didn`t know he had a ES. damn :p:

[Pjoeloe]

for all you non believers that say retail E6600 is bad for high fsb, 2 x retail conroe non ES, doing like 480 mhz fsb with multiplyer 7 and 9 :)

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/07a309de1db8a25645b132da5621153e/full.jpg


and


http://home.hccnet.nl/J_Bongers/SuperPI/11656.PNG

first one = AIR

last one is phase change with vcore/vMCH mod

nice on this : http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3904&s=1

overvolting the conroe :)

[OniKoroshi]

Looking back now do you guys wish you went with another board? Still deciding on which board to go with my E6600.

[Brahmzy]

for all you non believers that say retail E6600 is bad for high fsb, 2 x retail conroe non ES, doing like 480 mhz fsb with multiplyer 7 and 9 :)

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/07a309de1db8a25645b132da5621153e/full.jpg


and


http://home.hccnet.nl/J_Bongers/SuperPI/11656.PNG

first one = AIR

last one is phase change with vcore/vMCH mod

nice on this : http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3904&s=1

overvolting the conroe :)

This shows us nothing we didn't already know.

We're talking about a retail E6600 @ 9x on air. My SuperPi scores are actually higher than that 7x shown with mine 9x @ 3.2GHz.

He's still hitting the same MHz WALL.

I must say though the last one IS impressive. Just not my thing right now.

[topboy]

Looking back now do you guys wish you went with another board? Still deciding on which board to go with my E6600.

Yes yes and yes....when MB companies bring out a board that is supposed to be top of line and dont back up the user base with updates then yes i would say its bad practise.

I think there are to many IT MB companies out their Fooking us over with marketing sheite....(and yes we all fall for it). Its time for a MB company to really get onboard (excuse the pun) with the user base and make a board that is stable and has the support.

I mean we do put food on thier tables every night dont we.

If i was to bet on MB company that was going to produce a rock solid range of Motherboards over the next 6 to 12 months, it would have to be ABIT.

Dont ask me why, i just have this sneaky feeling that they are going to be back and take the MB market by storm.

;)

[miochza]

This shows us nothing we didn't already know.

We're talking about a retail E6600 @ 9x on air. My SuperPi scores are actually higher than that 7x shown with mine 9x @ 3.2GHz.

He's still hitting the same MHz WALL.

I must say though the last one IS impressive. Just not my thing right now.

Actually, theoretically, a higher FSB lower multi would yield increased bandwidth since the FSB is the path of the CPU's communication of the system. Your better Superpi must be the result of some other substantial hardware difference.

[M.Beier]

for all you non believers that say retail E6600 is bad for high fsb, 2 x retail conroe non ES, doing like 480 mhz fsb with multiplyer 7 and 9 :)

http://tweakers.net/ext/f/07a309de1db8a25645b132da5621153e/full.jpg


and


http://home.hccnet.nl/J_Bongers/SuperPI/11656.PNG

first one = AIR

last one is phase change with vcore/vMCH mod

nice on this : http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3904&s=1

overvolting the conroe :)

The second one is not with only 1.6v, is it?
I couldnt pass 4.3ghz with 1.67v using Dry Ice... :( - But once I get my mach II kit, I'll go for 1.8v and a 4.5ghz.... - But that stunt you've just made, thats awesome, sad that the performance on 965P is so weak :(

[Pjoeloe]

M.Beier, it`s not mine, :cool:

[Brahmzy]

Anybody else have any week 26 E6600's? A guy on here's doin' 3.4GHz at stock voltage on air! Mine's a week 23. From what I've read so far...

Week 23 < Week 24 < Week 25 < Week 26

...if this continues, mine's goin up on eBay and I'm getting a week 27 or whatever comes out. :)

That's what I get for buying mine so early and paying a premium for it, hehe.

[M.Beier]

I have no idea which week mine was made, I actually didnt even bother lookin' - didnt consider it being important like on A64.

Pjoeloe, ohh, oki, well, thats a quite neat speed ;)

[Brahmzy]

I have no idea which week mine was made, I actually didnt even bother lookin' - didnt consider it being important like on A64.

Pjoeloe, ohh, oki, well, thats a quite neat speed ;)

What's your VCore @ 3.6GHz? NO way to let us know your week #? Pleez? Aren't YOU curious enough to rip it out real quick? :)

[M.Beier]

What's your VCore @ 3.6GHz? NO way to let us know your week #? Pleez? Aren't YOU curious enough to rip it out real quick? :)

Hehe, its 6am here, and 3pm Im gonna pick up my mom at the airport, so no, Im goin' to bed - but I'll take a look before puttin' my mach II on, its hopefully comming within this week.

I use 1.575v with watercooling - 1.6v with passive cooling (TT Sonictower)..

Not a super-chip, just getting squezzed, cause the juice is worth the squize in my oppinion :)

[zoob]

Anybody else have any week 26 E6600's? A guy on here's doin' 3.4GHz at stock voltage on air! Mine's a week 23. From what I've read so far...

I've got a week 26 that's terrible (IMO). 3.2 GHz @ 1.40 vCore so far. 3360 @ 1.45/1.475 is stable if I cool it very very well. I've got a lapped Big Typhoon... this is hurting :slapass:

[Brahmzy]

Interesting...still better than any week 23 I think I've seen. Mine needs 1.475V for 3.2GHz on my P5W. Funny thing is it only needed 1.45V on my DS3. Gotta love the P5W droopage.

So yeah, my chip straight up takes .075 more VCore than yours. That's fairly significant. :(

[jkresh]

I have a week 24 that appears to be prime stable at 3.3ghz at 1.49 volts (stock cooling at 55C, tomorrow water gets stetup). I am hoping my water (pa120.3, storm, dd5, ek chipset block will let me get atleast 3.6 (though 4 was my original hope))

[MustardTheoRy]

week 25 oem
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4021/e6600375jr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[lawrywild]

week 25 oem

nice, air or water?

[M.Beier]

nice, air or water?
Look at vcore, I dont think week matters ;)

[selder]

I was having a problem what my XP SP2 wouldn't shut down, instead it restarted.

I solved it by deconnecting all USB devices (keyboard and mouse too!), then shutting down (with the poiwer button, configure it as such in power management). When the system was shut down, I reconnected the USB devices one by one, and now my XPSP2 shuts down correctly.

[fornowagain]

nice, air or water?
From another thread, that's air. 1.65v no thanks.

@Brahmzy mines a E6600 week 23 on air, (all bios voltages over by 0.02v)

Prime stable 3.5GHz/1.475v (bios)
Prime stable (24/7) 3.6GHz/1.55v (bios)
Benches Pi 3.7Ghz@1.575v (bios)

The highest I've had it to play with is 3.73GHz, but I'm stopping there as I'm not putting any more volts through it. Maybe they're not all bad?

[Ibinco]

Ok guyz, Im hoping you can shed some light on this:

Im on a E6600 week 24 does 3.6 ghz 4:5 stable 24/7 @ 1.5v (bios) on air. Except ive hit the wall. Only way i can get it this high is by enabling SPD timings. Which is crap cause i know my GEIL ultra memory can take upto DDR900 @ 4-4-4-12. Now my question is, will asus through a bios update be able to resolve the crap memory divider issue or am i doomed and have to wait for DFI to come out with a nicer board than the infinity :)

[eva2000]

every 975x chipset based board owner needs to start playing with memset tRD, tRFC and other values http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111400 will make a lot of difference especially to dual stressprime and other stability tests

[lawrywild]

every 975x chipset based board owner needs to start playing with memset tRD, tRFC and other values http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111400 will make a lot of difference especially to dual stressprime and other stability tests

yeh, but I don't like the idea of using memset at every boot. It just doesn't feel like a 24/7 thing to use..

[kidstechno]

I hate that enabling auto detection of memory timings. Mine's @ 5-6-6-18 too @ 2.0v @ 800mhz 1:1 (rated 4-4-4-12 @ 800 :() but it gets me to 400fsb so can't complain too much.

[Pjoeloe]

Interesting...still better than any week 23 I think I've seen. Mine needs 1.475V for 3.2GHz on my P5W. Funny thing is it only needed 1.45V on my DS3. Gotta love the P5W droopage.

You tried this ? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111400

little tutorial how to boot up with ram spd settings, take a screenshot of the settings in win with memtest, reboot, take the ram to tight timings in bios and then boot and change the ram settings to the screenshot with the tight timings. Helped people to go from 400 mhz fsb to 450 with E6600 retail :cool:

edit eva2000 posted the link also I see :p:

[eva2000]

yeh, but I don't like the idea of using memset at every boot. It just doesn't feel like a 24/7 thing to use..
hopefully Asus will have a bios like their P5B Deluxe for more timing options in bios, but for now try the memset test to confirm if it's your cpu, board and board MCH latencies or memory timings or any of these combinations that is causing your instability :)

[lawrywild]

hopefully Asus will have a bios like their P5B Deluxe for more timing options in bios, but for now try the memset test to confirm if it's your cpu, board and board MCH latencies or memory timings or any of these combinations that is causing your instability :)

I hope so.. I will try memset some time.

I have something else to test right now. ;)

[BulldogPO]

Anyone has similar problems?
One of my USB devices 2,5" HDD does not allways work, Mobo and windows just do´nt recognise it :(
No matter what port it is connected.

[kidstechno]

You tried this ? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111400

little tutorial how to boot up with ram spd settings, take a screenshot of the settings in win with memtest, reboot, take the ram to tight timings in bios and then boot and change the ram settings to the screenshot with the tight timings. Helped people to go from 400 mhz fsb to 450 with E6600 retail :cool:

edit eva2000 posted the link also I see :p:

The only problem with that is, Tras is set to 18 by AUTO yet in the BIOS it can only go up to 15, and there's also a 5th option for memory settings in the BIOS but it does not show up in Memset, atleast for me, but maybe I'm blind.

[Brahmzy]

You tried this ? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111400

little tutorial how to boot up with ram spd settings, take a screenshot of the settings in win with memtest, reboot, take the ram to tight timings in bios and then boot and change the ram settings to the screenshot with the tight timings. Helped people to go from 400 mhz fsb to 450 with E6600 retail :cool:

edit eva2000 posted the link also I see :p:

Thanks for all the help. I will try this - just not real excited about having to reset memset at every reboot. In fact, I probably will stay where I'm at instead of doing that. Might be nice for a bench or two though. :)

[Pjoeloe]

Well if you succeed with memtest a speed like 9 x 450 , we know it`s not the cpu :banana: . I`m gonna test it tonight , see if it works ...

it`s just what the writer say`s "Asus need to provide access to far more RAM settings in the Bios. This might well be the cause of the FSB wall and would explain why different people get the wall at different points "

[_WHAT_]

Damn I am starting to hate asus for this crappy :banana::banana::banana::banana: of a board. I have no oc what so ever but the mobo still hangs on post or is VERY slow at it.

Really think this is a pre production junk that should be shipped in half a year when they fixed the tons of bugs :(

How do I change sata header as stated in the first post ??

[lawrywild]

Anyone has similar problems?
One of my USB devices 2,5" HDD does not allways work, Mobo and windows just do´nt recognise it :(
No matter what port it is connected.

Mine did the same. Sometimes it recognised it sometimes I didn't. Got annoying so I plugged in a spare usb 2.0 pci controller I had lieing around. Works everytime now and no need to wait at POST for mobo to detect drives. ;)

[GLENBOY]

hi there what program are you guys using to get the northbridge temperature ,

[lawrywild]

hi there what program are you guys using to get the northbridge temperature ,

No program shows NB temp, there is no sensor in 975

[GLENBOY]

thanks lawry i have speedfan and i think that shows the southbridge temp only

[lawrywild]

Yup, that'll be the SB temp

[heikis]

my P5W and E6400 can do 400FSB nice (no freezes in windows), but when I start the ORTHOS SP2004 with large FFT-s then it gives me an erroro randomly. once i could run it 9h straight without error (then i shut down the computer), but today it gave me an errory within the first hour. ive upped the MCH voltage to 1,6V (no drop by a multimeter) and the vcore up to 1,35V.
maybe someone has an idea to solve this problem. or I just keep trying with different settings.
btw my P5W has the newest bios 1101

[lawrywild]

my P5W and E6400 can do 400FSB nice (no freezes in windows), but when I start the ORTHOS SP2004 with large FFT-s then it gives me an erroro randomly. once i could run it 9h straight without error (then i shut down the computer), but today it gave me an errory within the first hour. ive upped the MCH voltage to 1,6V (no drop by a multimeter) and the vcore up to 1,35V.
maybe someone has an idea to solve this problem. or I just keep trying with different settings.
btw my P5W has the newest bios 1101

Mine does the same.

I had 7 hours prime at 3387, next day it was erroring/crashing within a couple of hours :confused:

[Mykou]

my P5W and E6400 can do 400FSB nice (no freezes in windows), but when I start the ORTHOS SP2004 with large FFT-s then it gives me an erroro randomly. once i could run it 9h straight without error (then i shut down the computer), but today it gave me an errory within the first hour. ive upped the MCH voltage to 1,6V (no drop by a multimeter) and the vcore up to 1,35V.
maybe someone has an idea to solve this problem. or I just keep trying with different settings.
btw my P5W has the newest bios 1101

hmm ..seems that people with high fsb get much pain to keep their rig stable under dual prime :(

[zoob]

It is likely a heat problem. If I leave my vMCH at Auto, it'll crash if I don't point a fan at the nb/mosfet sinks. If I bump it up to 1.55 V, no crashes :)

[Mykou]

Is speedfan accurate with Vcore readings ???


http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5324/speedfanwe6.jpg

Running orthos for 7h39 min asus probe reading 1.44/1.45

If yes that infamous Vdroop not only temps ( 54° actually , not so bad IMO !).... damn asus boards :mad:

[lawrywild]

Is speedfan accurate with Vcore readings ???


http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5324/speedfanwe6.jpg

Running orthos for 7h39 min asus probe reading 1.44/1.45

If yes that infamous Vdroop not only temps ( 54° actually , not so bad IMO !).... damn asus boards :mad:

Buy a digital multimeter and find out yourself :fact:

[miochza]

So would the posted memset tricks work if I can boot up at say, 400 (for a 3.6 ghz OC) WITH SPD on but cannot get it stable at a lower voltage?

[eva2000]

well my P5W DH is up and running from bios so far 22.5C cpu temp and 30C mb temp water cooled cpu heh

Still 1.02g rev it seems but confirmed that the 1.85v MCH option is available - funny it was set to default 1.85v MCH when i loaded the bios for 1st time :eek:

This board came from Asus direct and is using default 0801 bios that came with board :)

[Pumbaa]

is that 1.85Vmch gives you an extra Mhz of OC?

[syne_24]

so this 1.85vmch option is a hardware revision and not bios enable? I have the 1.02g too but it doesnt have that option.

[zoob]

Anyone have a weird issue when you set your PCI-E freq to 101 in the BIOS but it shows up as 80 in ClockGen?

BIOS 0801

[syne_24]

Anyone have a weird issue when you set your PCI-E freq to 101 in the BIOS but it shows up as 80 in ClockGen?

BIOS 0801

yes i thought i was the only one

I actually try to adjust it to 100 thinking that's maybe the reason why I was unstable; well it crashed on me..:(

[eva2000]

is that 1.85Vmch gives you an extra Mhz of OC? P5W DH only been running for less than 3hrs havent even installed windows yet.. just doing my usual memtest tests first to figure stuff out :)

so this 1.85vmch option is a hardware revision and not bios enable? I have the 1.02g too but it doesnt have that option.
mines 1.02g so i don't think the change is major enough to warrant a revision change i think .. not sure

one question i have regarding this so called 360-370fsb wall.. what is the wall related to ? as in is this wall in booting P5W DH, stability, or benchmarking etc ?

I'm currently memtest at stock AUTO = 1.242v vcore with 9x380fsb 1:1 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v for 3424mhz with my E6600 (yes probably won't be windows stable but this cpu managed 3496mhz at 1.242v on my bad axe windows benchable).

So question is where's this fsb wall meant to be at in what apps or scenarios ?

[Jinxy]

My southbridge temp is jumping by 15c when I start up 3d apps. looks like my Crossfire setup is dumping a load of heat on top of it. Do you think its worth sticking a fan over the area?

[syne_24]

P5W DH only been running for less than 3hrs havent even installed windows yet.. just doing my usual memtest tests first to figure stuff out :)


mines 1.02g so i don't think the change is major enough to warrant a revision change i think .. not sure

one question i have regarding this so called 360-370fsb wall.. what is the wall related to ? as in is this wall in booting P5W DH, stability, or benchmarking etc ?

I'm currently memtest at stock AUTO = 1.242v vcore with 9x380fsb 1:1 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v for 3424mhz with my E6600 (yes probably won't be windows stable but this cpu managed 3496mhz at 1.242v on my bad axe windows benchable).

So question is where's this fsb wall meant to be at in what apps or scenarios ?

I guess in my experience the "wall" refers to stability. Probably dual prime or orthos would be the obstacle. While the actual freeze or instant reboot wall is around 415-420 running benchmarks.

[Primoz78]

I guess in my experience the "wall" refers to stability. Probably dual prime or orthos would be the obstacle. While the actual freeze or instant reboot wall is around 415-420 running benchmarks.


Have noticed the same...I have changed the FSB with Clockgen and it reboots on 415FSB or more...even with ram timings @ SPD...:slapass: Any tips for boot in 430FSB or more :rolleyes:

Regards,
Primoz

[matt1]

I can get a boot at 440FSB, not tried for stability but when my E6300 gets here I'll be happy with 428 * 7 :)

[lawrywild]

eva, YGPM ;)

[Ibinco]

I dont get it.... I see people posting about 400FSB+ Can you guys be more precise and tell us how u achieved this? Only way i get 400FSB+ is by settings auto SPD timings.

[Hyperformance]

I dont get it.... I see people posting about 400FSB+ Can you guys be more precise and tell us how u achieved this? Only way i get 400FSB+ is by settings auto SPD timings.


I can boot in and be fully stable @ 414mhz but as soon as I set the fsb to 415 through bios it wont even post. If I set my memory to spd I can boot in up to 425 but and bench but as soon as I try 426 It wont post.... tried upping all the voltages and its same thing. The only real thing I did to get over 400fsb was to disable hyperpath3 its getting over 414 thats been the challenge for me. this is on a o.e.m 6700 havent played with any of the multis under 10x though think I just need more than 1.65mch to go higher from this point.

[Ibinco]

I can boot in and be fully stable @ 414mhz but as soon as I set the fsb to 415 through bios it wont even post. If I set my memory to spd I can boot in up to 425 but and bench but as soon as I try 426 It wont post.... tried upping all the voltages and its same thing. The only real thing I did to get over 400fsb was to disable hyperpath3 its getting over 414 thats been the challenge for me. this is on a o.e.m 6700 havent played with any of the multis under 10x though think I just need more than 1.65mch to go higher from this point.

Allright m8 thanks for the info....That being the case its most likely the crap mem-dividers on the board.

[Hyperformance]

Allright m8 thanks for the info....That being the case its most likely the crap mem-dividers on the board.


should have mentioned this is @ 1:1 when I try other ratios over 410 I dont post either. Havent tried them all as I keep getting pulled away from playing with my rig the past couple weeks :(

[lawrywild]

Hehe look at my beauties!!!

First my Ninja ;) Really hard to lap something so BIG o.O

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4651/dscf0012hf8.jpg

Have you ever seen a lap job better than this? I haven't, very pleased!!! :D

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3457/lappedconroegh6.jpg

Funny thing is.. before I started lapping my ninja I dropped my Celeron D backup cpu onto my hard wooden floor. It landed bang on the corner of the substrate and I got some big dogeared corner on the substrate. I was like Oh oh.. BAD START.. should I really lap my Conroe now :eek:

I thought no way is this cpu still alive... Plugged it into my P5WDH and it's running windows perfectly right now rofl :D STOKED!!

[MuTTAR]

where can i get the newest bios from (v1011)?

[Brahmzy]

It's 1101, not 1011. ASUS.com

[zoob]

yes i thought i was the only one

I actually try to adjust it to 100 thinking that's maybe the reason why I was unstable; well it crashed on me..:(

Hey, I did a little more testing. My CPU is stable at 3.2 GHz (357 x 9) 1.40 vCore in Orthos - Blend mode. If I switch to 400 x 8, the system is no longer stable. I've tested up to ~375 FSB without it failing.

I'm quite sure the CPU can do 3.2 no problem as I've done Small FFTs overnight.

I've tried 1.65 vMCH with loooooose RAM timings, as well as 1.20 on the SB (I forget the voltage name haha!) as using my thermal probe (index finger :)) the SB was burning hot to touch under my two 7900 GTX's... both with no luck in increasing 400 FSB stability.

[eva2000]

wow lawrywild, nice lapping wish i had the patience to lap for that long to get it shiny like that heh

Seems to be about the same as on my Intel D975XBX when @3600mhz at 1.376-1.384v vcore load (Badaxe needed 1.371v vcore) but with P5W DH needed to raise MCH volts from 1.55v to 1.65v :)

vCore = 1.425v
fsb = 1.3
vdimm = 2.1v
MCH = 1.65
ICH = AUTO

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5WDH/results/E6600_1/swiftechg4storm/Gskill/PC6400PHU2/21_22/801/533/400-400-44412-4_1.425-1.3-1.65-2.1/stressprime_load_tn.png (http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5WDH/results/E6600_1/swiftechg4storm/Gskill/PC6400PHU2/21_22/801/533/400-400-44412-4_1.425-1.3-1.65-2.1/stressprime_load.png)

[lawrywild]

wow lawrywild, nice lapping wish i had the patience to lap for that long to get it shiny like that heh

Seems to be about the same as on my Intel D975XBX when @3600mhz at 1.376-1.384v vcore load (Badaxe needed 1.371v vcore) but with P5W DH needed to raise MCH volts from 1.55v to 1.65v :)

vCore = 1.425v
fsb = 1.3
vdimm = 2.1v
MCH = 1.65
ICH = AUTO

*snip*

Heh, tbh I rushed it in about 20-30 mins :stick: I'm really surprised it came out so nice :rolleyes:

Impressive chip! I can't get mine stable at anywhere near 3.6 for the life of me. I think after lapping and changing to Scythe Ninja, I've gained about 50mhz so I'm happy with that :)

[lawrywild]

Hey, I did a little more testing. My CPU is stable at 3.2 GHz (357 x 9) 1.40 vCore in Orthos - Blend mode. If I switch to 400 x 8, the system is no longer stable. I've tested up to ~375 FSB without it failing.

I'm quite sure the CPU can do 3.2 no problem as I've done Small FFTs overnight.

I've tried 1.65 vMCH with loooooose RAM timings, as well as 1.20 on the SB (I forget the voltage name haha!) as using my thermal probe (index finger :)) the SB was burning hot to touch under my two 7900 GTX's... both with no luck in increasing 400 FSB stability.

Interesting.. we need more ram timings in bios :slapass: yes my SB gets very hot too after lots of full load.

Btw it's vICH (I/o Controller Hub)

[eva2000]

i have SB heatsink cover off and 120x25mm 75cfm fan over my video card which blows on SB heatsink as well keeps it at 30-34C SB temps under dual stressprime load @3600mhz at 1.376v on P5W DH :)

[syne_24]

eva you have an ES; no fair :D

I have a feeling Intel probably nerf the retail..

[zoob]

All the good chips probably binned for the Xeons :)

=\

[Brahmzy]

eva you have an ES; no fair :D

I have a feeling Intel probably nerf the retail..

Good catch! Eva, why even post this garbage? Who cares about ES chips anyway? None of us can get any, so none of us care. We're trying to see what RETAIL/OEM chips can do.

Not trying to be rude, but ES posts only clutter the already messy pile of screenshots and posts we have to sift through.

And yes I am jealous, but seriously Can you guys stop posting you ES chip results and comparing them to our RETAILs? :)

[eva2000]

Can you guys stop posting you ES chip results and comparing them to our RETAILs? :)
haha that's like asking shamino or kingpin or kinc not to oc ... :p: :slap: :D

[Brahmzy]

haha that's like asking shamino or kingpin or kinc not to oc ... :p: :slap: :D

So start an "ES OC" thread, please.

[eva2000]

this thread is related to P5W DH not the cpu :rolleyes:

[Brahmzy]

this thread is related to P5W DH not the cpu :rolleyes:

That's great and all but most ES chips perform quite differently compared to retails/oems. So in ANY discussion, the comparisons can lead to confusion. Get it?

[eva2000]

That's great and all but most ES chips perform quite differently compared to retails/oems. So in ANY discussion, the comparisons can lead to confusion. Get it?
yes but each motherboard of same model/brand can perform differently due to quality of MCH/NB, memory used as well well as the quality of the power supply you use (example http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=44980#post44980).

i.e. have a crappy board with max 370fsb limit, and E6600 ES cpu isn't gonna do crap to improve a 370fsb limit or clock better than a retail E6600 on a board with 420fsb limit.

So what you need separate threads for each cpu, motherboard, memory and psu combination as well ?

zoob above in this thread uses a different psu from you so, he should post in another thread too as it's not what you're using ?

[Brahmzy]

yes but each motherboard of same model/brand can perform differently due to quality of MCH/NB, memory used as well well as the quality of the power supply you use (example http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=44980#post44980).

i.e. have a crappy board with max 370fsb limit, and E6600 ES cpu isn't gonna do crap to improve a 370fsb limit or clock better than a retail E6600 on a board with 420fsb limit.

So what you need separate threads for each cpu, motherboard, memory and psu combination as well ?

zoob above in this thread uses a different psu from you so, he should post in another thread too as it's not what you're using ?

Bro, c'mon...give me a break. I'm not the only one who is frustrated by this as you can see in my other thread. At the minimum, let us know CLEARLY that you've got an ES chip.

We are cloggin a good thread with crap, so let's keep this particular issue in the "other" thread.

[lawrywild]

LOL this is funny.. :rolleyes:

Eva is welcome to post his ES in this thread. He doesn't need to say clearly whether it's ES or not, just look at the CPU-Z for yourself..

Please stop argueing.. after all, this is my thread not yours Brahmzy.

[lawrywild]

Anyway, here's what I get 24/7. I get to run my rig really silent now and waiting on my Tuniq Tower to make its way over from Germany..

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7869/dualpi32mag3.png

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5889/everest713lj8.png

[famich]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5723/ortoswk2.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ortoswk2.jpg)

Yesterday mounted the E6600 with my friend . Before that flashed the 0903 BIOS , as my MB came with the 0401 one :)
Replaced the AS5 under the NB passive cooler, so far did not have any problems:)

V Core 1.46 MCH 1.55 V- I think this needs to go to 1.6 V . Mem V 2.0 as it s running below its projected speed anyway. This chip is OEM , not ES , I think a promising one :p:

T around 52C during Prime , might be better with a better , stronger pump /on the way -OASE 910 /.

[zoob]

That's an impressive chip you have. Please post more details :) Also, is your system stable when you try the Blend mode?

The Core Temp readings are hilarious! 85 C (?) ahahaha..:banana:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5723/ortoswk2.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ortoswk2.jpg)

Yesterday mounted the E6600 with my friend . Before that flashed the 0903 BIOS , as my MB came with the 0401 one :)
Replaced the AS5 under the NB passive cooler, so far did not have any problems:)

V Core 1.46 MCH 1.55 V- I think this needs to go to 1.6 V . Mem V 2.0 as it s running below its projected speed anyway. This chip is OEM , not ES , I think a promising one :p:

T around 52C during Prime , might be better with a better , stronger pump /on the way -OASE 910 /.

[famich]

That's an impressive chip you have. Please post more details :) Also, is your system stable when you try the Blend mode?

The Core Temp readings are hilarious! 85 C (?) ahahaha..:banana:

The ASUS monitoring SW is sometimes way off the tracks:)
Regarding the blend mode : going to test it tomorrow:D

[lawrywild]

The ASUS monitoring SW is sometimes way off the tracks:)
Regarding the blend mode : going to test it tomorrow:D

I never run Blend.

I run Small FFTs and Large FFTs seperately. If both are fine then I consider my rig stable.

[bullet2urbrain]

Anyone have any info regarding the beep codes of the P5W DH?

The manual (Gasp yes i did actually look at it) has listed only 3 different beep codes,

mine beeps once then 8 seconds later it beeps again,

removed Memory it beeps like 3 or 4 times
removed GFX beeps a different pattern of 3 or 4 beeps

put back everything and beeps once but the monitor still doesnt display and i have no way of knowing if it is POSTing or not....

[lawrywild]

Anyone have any info regarding the beep codes of the P5W DH?

The manual (Gasp yes i did actually look at it) has listed only 3 different beep codes,

mine beeps once then 8 seconds later it beeps again,

removed Memory it beeps like 3 or 4 times
removed GFX beeps a different pattern of 3 or 4 beeps

put back everything and beeps once but the monitor still doesnt display and i have no way of knowing if it is POSTing or not....

I don't have one of the lil speakers anymore so not heard any beep codes.

Anyway, I read the manual, its a good thing.. more people here need to RTFM!!!

[syne_24]

Didnt Asus have that voice beep thingy that tells you what's wrong during boot up? I know they did on the nv board. That's the thing I dont like about Asus sometimes; it's like one step forward but also 2 steps backward.

[Pjoeloe]

For people with lots of $$$, here is a nice new review of a 1 KW Enermax power supply :D

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/365

[Brahmzy]

Question: Where exactly do i test my actual VCore with my multimeter?

[Mykou]

Anybody heard about it ?

I saw posts from people with their new board and having this one

:confused:

If so thanks to give a link

[Khaotic]

Using this P5W DH, I seem to be in the same boat as Lawrywild. 356 being the tops that I can hit. A friend of mine has hers wound out the same way. 356 <> anything after that is crash-crash-crash.

http://www.cluboc.net/images/khaotic/cpuz.jpg

http://www.cluboverclocker.com/images/khaotic/SP2004@9hrs.jpg

Of course CPUZ has the voltage all wrong. To hold that steady I have to use 1.485 or I won't be able to get Prime to hold. Other than that - she's good to go.