ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

[arrakys]

an with my current rev, MCH is limited to 1.65 :/
is the Vmch the only difference between motherboard revisions ?

[cadaveca]

basically. maybe this is one of the reasons for the revision in the first place.

[vinyas]

I am Facing this Slow Detection... ever since i got my board,when the Machine is Turned on,show the Ram Size,then there is almost 45 secs delay,after which only the device Detection ... comes over.First it detects the Usb Mouse

Wat could be the cause of the delay ?... Tried the Fixes Posted here nothing seems to work :mad:

[Bail_w]

I am Facing this Slow Detection... ever since i got my board,when the Machine is Turned on,show the Ram Size,then there is almost 45 secs delay,after which only the device Detection ... comes over.First it detects the Usb Mouse

Wat could be the cause of the delay ?... Tried the Fixes Posted here nothing seems to work :mad:


clear cmos or flash to a newer bios.

[vinyas]

clear cmos or flash to a newer bios.

dont think that will work.

Here Is Screenshot:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5897/dsc00050fk4.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00050fk4.jpg)

After the Delay,the Devices like My HDD & Writer Gets Detected

[OneyedK]

Anyone have any other ideas on why my dl speed is slowwwww? Should I RMA the board? Should I get a different brand? please help

Try using the PCI LAN port (lowest or left most, depends how the board is oriented), in combination with some routers/switches the auto detect might go wrong...
The PCI LAN controller seems to give me a lower cpu-load than the PCI-e LAN controller...

[monza1412]

I am Facing this Slow Detection... ever since i got my board,when the Machine is Turned on,show the Ram Size,then there is almost 45 secs delay,after which only the device Detection ... comes over.First it detects the Usb Mouse

Wat could be the cause of the delay ?... Tried the Fixes Posted here nothing seems to work :mad:



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1631406&postcount=1

[chron]

For anyone that cares -- a replacement of my motherboard fixed problems listed earlier...

1901 blows.

[lawrywild]

1901 bios is fine

[yobi]

1901 wrking well for me

[Bail_w]

i am getting good results with 1901 (440FSB 1:1) , it just my ram was being a pita on this motherboard.

[Psitech]

I had been using 1901 but had to flash back to 1707 today. It was ok and stable at first, but the past few days stability became a major issue. I was having system hangs and reboots and I wasn't orthos stable. I backed my overclock down and this didn't help at all. I flashed back to 1707 and all is fine.

[Bail_w]

I had been using 1901 but had to flash back to 1707 today. It was ok and stable at first, but the past few days stability became a major issue. I was having system hangs and reboots and I wasn't orthos stable. I backed my overclock down and this didn't help at all. I flashed back to 1707 and all is fine.


what you use to flash it down to 1707?

[Psitech]

what you use to flash it down to 1707?

afudos v2.17
ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS_v217.zip

[Bail_w]

any instructions?

edit: nvm i got it.

[vinyas]

dont think that will work.

Here Is Screenshot:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5897/dsc00050fk4.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00050fk4.jpg)

After the Delay,the Devices like My HDD & Writer Gets Detected

wats the solution to this guys ?.... is this Problem listed on Page 1? .... i dont think so...if so,wr ?

help out pls

[lawrywild]

What's the problem? You just posted a pic of the POST...

If it's taking ages then the solution is on the front page

[megabit]

Guys, I don't know what happens, but after flashing the 1901 BIOS in, my RAM (thoroughly tested before) cannot run at 412 MHz with 4:4:4:12 latencies, under 2.20V any more! I'm getting BSODs, some intermittent software crashes, and the new (4-cores) Prime95 torture test fails with error, indicating hardware problems. My memory (Geil Ultra 800) used to run flawlessly with these settings for quite a long time; now I had to slow it down (the Prime95 test is stable with RAM at 388 MHz, 4:4:4:12, 2.0V).

Now, do you think it's the BIOS that's cusing this, or has one stick of my memory gone bad, or was the voltage (2.20V for DDR2-825MHz) not appropriate? TIA!

[lawrywild]

I've just been given Bios 2001 by a nice chap on MSN

I uploaded to Rapidshare: http://rapidshare.com/files/18038485/P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2001.rar

PS: This is NOT tested yet by myself (exams), but apparently has been running for a week stable on this guy's rig

[cuke2u]

Hi, well I was foolish enough to try the 2001. Flashed up from 1901 ok with Asus Update, can't see any obvious changes and I can't see anything that would please any of you die-hards...

OneyedK, According to the bios, both the lan's are PCI-E...
ChrisC

[yobi]

any info ? bios 2001

[krat]

upgraded from 1901 to 2001 with the flash utility in the bios.

[OneyedK]

OneyedK, According to the bios, both the lan's are PCI-E...
ChrisC

Sorry, my bad, P5B-D in mind...

apologies... :(

[G4h4o8s6T]

Im sure this has been mentioned in the last 162 pages :p: But I was just wondering a few things, as my friend just got this board the other day..........

1) In Asus Probe, is the "Motherboard" temp reading from the NB or SB??

2)What temp. should he try and keep them under??? Is 50C under load to high?

We replaced the stock NB and SB thermal compound with AS5, and are working on mounting a 40mm fan to the NB.

Thanks in advance :)

[yenclas]

Any news on advanced timmings in bios 2001 ?

[scaramonga]

Any news on advanced timmings in bios 2001 ?

Yes! There are none.

[gritty]

In checking my memory settings in BIOS by auto SPD, I found that they are not what Corsair SPD settings should be. The timings were all 4's and one 15 and voltage was 1.8. My memory modules are Corsair TWIN2X2048 - 6400. On Corsair site, settings are to be 1.9 volts and 5 5 5 12 2t.

In BIOS I see how to set the voltage, but am confused with the timing settings. In BIOS are 5 settings available: CAS#, RAS#, RAS# to CAS#, RAS# Activate and Write RecoveryTime. To properly set for this ram, should I set CAS# to 5, RAS# to 5, RAS# to CAS# to 5, RAS# Activate to 5, and Write Recovery Time to 2?

Is this setting from Corsair site the best settings for this RAM or the way the computer defaulted to? :confused:

What are ramifications if wrong timings are used?

Thank you

[Family man 72]

Here's update to my previous shot:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8754/prime9x392jd7.gif

[Zeus]

Asus is bugging the hell out of me by not putting TRD in bios!! :mad:

My memory is fully capable of running DDR1000 in this board, i just had to boot at 370 with 4:5 divider, set trd to 7 instead of 6 and clockgen my way up to 400 FSB, 500 mem.

So with 2.35Vdimm DDR 1000 4-4-4-12 is stable as a rock, haven't tried lower Vdimm or higher frequency's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/Z3us/screenshots/DDR1000.jpg

Come on Asus, give us some subtimings in bios!!

[OneyedK]

In checking my memory settings in BIOS by auto SPD, I found that they are not what Corsair SPD settings should be. The timings were all 4's and one 15 and voltage was 1.8. My memory modules are Corsair TWIN2X2048 - 6400. On Corsair site, settings are to be 1.9 volts and 5 5 5 12 2t.

In BIOS I see how to set the voltage, but am confused with the timing settings. In BIOS are 5 settings available: CAS#, RAS#, RAS# to CAS#, RAS# Activate and Write RecoveryTime. To properly set for this ram, should I set CAS# to 5, RAS# to 5, RAS# to CAS# to 5, RAS# Activate to 5, and Write Recovery Time to 2?

Is this setting from Corsair site the best settings for this RAM or the way the computer defaulted to? :confused:

What are ramifications if wrong timings are used?

Thank you

Write Recovery time is not the same as command rate.
A good rule of thumb is to keep the write recovery time te same as cas latency, in your case 5. Command rate is 2T, an entirely different story.

If wrong timings are used you will get memory errors most of the time...
If the cycle time (tras) is too low, it will cause memory re-reads, giving you lower performance (check with everest and SuperPI)

Some extra info:
http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/showpubnews.asp?num=139

[lawrywild]

I know, it really confuses me why they just don't put them in. Probably take them less than an hour to code and test... they did it with all the other boards :(

[wagoogee]

Before anyone asks, the multiplier problem for extreme processors is NOT fixed in 2001.

[Amigan]

Hi , i've decided to ditch this board .. asus wont bother to update anymore except to add new cpus.

Last time i buy asus products... tbh all the manufacturers are the same these days releasing 'beta' products.

Its up to us "the consumer" to make them realise the error of their ways by refusing to buy this crap, unfortunately that will never happen.

Time for me to get an Intel Mac i think.

Have fun with your buggered boards :(

Amigan.

EDIT: spelling mistakes :p

[Alfieg]

Hello folks.

This is not regarding an issue with slow posting. It is regarding the bug where p5w and p5b based boards are slow to load windows. The windows load bar scrolls past 10-14 times at boot and that's with raid 0 raptorx and a high spec machine. i have found this with XP and Vista and have tried everything. I am considering offering a reward to the person who can fix this issue, it's been driving me nuts for months. Please Help!

[Amigan]

Hello , i found as soon as i loaded the Onboard sound driver thats when my windows load time increased by a factor of around 3.

Although its still only around 2 or 3 passes of the load bar.

Maybe give microsoft bootvis (google for a d/l link) that can help with optimizing driver load times.

Regards

Amigan.

[cadaveca]

If you want faster boot times, you need more than one drive.

using 4x250gb drives, 2 each set up in RAID0, and one with OS on it, one blank, I find that if you use one of Seagates or Maxtor's drive set-up utilities that allows you to copy contents to new drives, boot times will change to 2-3 seconds, rather than 30-45.

If you have the hardware, give it a go. this also works if you have just 2 seperate drives, however, it does not work for a single drive with partitions.


:toast: :toast:

[nicepun]

Before anyone asks, the multiplier problem for extreme processors is NOT fixed in 2001.


Thanks...good to know, I'm keeping 1601 until it gets fixed if they ever fix it. I though the multiplier thing was a mandate from Intel.... ;)

[iadstudio]

Hello folks.

This is not regarding an issue with slow posting. It is regarding the bug where p5w and p5b based boards are slow to load windows. The windows load bar scrolls past 10-14 times at boot and that's with raid 0 raptorx and a high spec machine. i have found this with XP and Vista and have tried everything. I am considering offering a reward to the person who can fix this issue, it's been driving me nuts for months. Please Help!

It's gotta be some specific drivers people are using because my boot times are 5-10sec max. I'm using intel matrix raid and onboard sound.

[bichi]

P5WDH; Rev 1.02G (MCH 1.65 version); QX6700 @ 3.0G; FSB 300; OCZ2G10002GK
- sissy OC, but ultra-stable for work/home stuff

Updated BIOS from 1901 to 2001 using BIOS EZ FLASH 2 (ver 3)
- no obvious changes from 1901
- fast flashdrive detect during EZ FLASH BIOS, as with 1901
- buffered memory speed about the same @ 500mhz memory bus; 3:5, Trc 21 (still not changeable)
- processor multiplier not tested this round
- no obvious change to idle or loaded temps

Reverting from 2001 to 1901 with EZ FLASH worked without hassle, unlike previous 1901 to lower rev BIOS....
- should make the "hayseeds" happy - LOL

[cuke2u]

Time for me to get an Intel Mac i think.

Have fun with your buggered boards :(

Amigan.

EDIT: spelling mistakes :p
Made me laugh this one, have fun with your 'buggered' mac my friend :-)
ChrisC

[lawrywild]

Hello folks.

This is not regarding an issue with slow posting. It is regarding the bug where p5w and p5b based boards are slow to load windows. The windows load bar scrolls past 10-14 times at boot and that's with raid 0 raptorx and a high spec machine. i have found this with XP and Vista and have tried everything. I am considering offering a reward to the person who can fix this issue, it's been driving me nuts for months. Please Help!

In device manager, go to the ATA controller propertiers (channel primary and secondary) and where you havnt installed drives, instead of "auto detection" change these to Not installed.

That will speed up boot time quite a bit.

Then go to start, run, services.msc and disabled stuff you don't need. If you're unsure whther you need it or not, don't disable it, or write it down so you know what to enable if something stops working..

Then there's Microsoft Bootvis (google it), run that and optimize where the xp files are on the disc (the beginning of the drive is the fastest).

Those are the main ways I speed up boot times with

edit: oh and stop unneccessary startup programs with msconfig or the program I use, CCleaner which actually deletes the startup entries rather than just unticking them

[Alfieg]

If you want faster boot times, you need more than one drive.

using 4x250gb drives, 2 each set up in RAID0, and one with OS on it, one blank, I find that if you use one of Seagates or Maxtor's drive set-up utilities that allows you to copy contents to new drives, boot times will change to 2-3 seconds, rather than 30-45.

If you have the hardware, give it a go. this also works if you have just 2 seperate drives, however, it does not work for a single drive with partitions.


:toast: :toast:

Thanks, but i have 2x raptorX 10k's in raid 0 and 2 500gb SATA's for Backup.

is it most likely a sound device? i'm using audigy 2. I agree it is bound to be a driver i'm using but i can't think which. i will try disabling some items in device manager to narrow it down. problem is, you name it, i tried it.

i'm gonna ditch this crummy board and get me some 680sli action. no wonder this thread is so immense. it is not that this board has the same problems for everyone, it think it is that asus boards are built to a low standard. what with sub standard thermal paste and crummy heatsinks and the fact that every board has its own individual quirk. i owned a good ol abit ic7-g before this..............those were the days.

sorry to moan.

[iadstudio]

Thanks, but i have 2x raptorX 10k's in raid 0 and 2 500gb SATA's for Backup.

is it most likely a sound device? i'm using audigy 2. I agree it is bound to be a driver i'm using but i can't think which. i will try disabling some items in device manager to narrow it down. problem is, you name it, i tried it.

i'm gonna ditch this crummy board and get me some 680sli action. no wonder this thread is so immense. it is not that this board has the same problems for everyone, it think it is that asus boards are built to a low standard. what with sub standard thermal paste and crummy heatsinks and the fact that every board has its own individual quirk. i owned a good ol abit ic7-g before this..............those were the days.

sorry to moan.


You'll be givin up SB performance by switching.

Either way, I would have gone with the 680i if I could have waited. Either that or a newer 965x.

[Lt_JWS]

Does this board run 4 sticks of ram ok???

[clee]

Asus is bugging the hell out of me by not putting TRD in bios!! :mad:

My memory is fully capable of running DDR1000 in this board, i just had to boot at 370 with 4:5 divider, set trd to 7 instead of 6 and clockgen my way up to 400 FSB, 500 mem.

So with 2.35Vdimm DDR 1000 4-4-4-12 is stable as a rock, haven't tried lower Vdimm or higher frequency's.

Come on Asus, give us some subtimings in bios!!

heya Zeus, thx for the heads up, your S-Pi time is quick.

Mine is runnin' at 420FSB 1:1 but my time is barely 6 secs faster despite a 20 Mhz core speed advantage.

I am not a big fan of software Oc'ing and that's 1 of the reasons why I ditched the P5B dlx. That board automatically switches to the 1066 strap once fsb rises above 400, and overclockers have to use clockgen to hold onto the 1033 strap if they want to keep performance in tune.

Just for the fun of it I just ran ClockGen but it just freezed up on me. Can you tell me which version did you run it with?

w.r.t. the lack of subtimings in the BIOS, the P5B dlx had the same issues initially but Asus addressed that problem with the 2nd/3rd bios release.
How many bios(es) do we have now...... I just have a gut feeling that perhaps they jsut don't wanna do it for whatever reason, but I certainly hope that I'm wrong on this.




Does this board run 4 sticks of ram ok???

yes, but you'll need more volts !!

[lawrywild]

Thing is, even without stuff like the advanced timings in bios not being there, I still actually like this board.

But, I can understand why you would switch if you had a multi unlocked cpu or a good clocker, but since I don't, I don't upwards multi or manual timings as I run 344 fsb

[Bail_w]

It is fine if i use 1.85 vmch for 24/7?

[Zeus]

heya Zeus, thx for the heads up, your S-Pi time is quick.

Mine is runnin' at 420FSB 1:1 but my time is barely 6 secs faster despite a 20 Mhz core speed advantage.

I am not a big fan of software Oc'ing and that's 1 of the reasons why I ditched the P5B dlx. That board automatically switches to the 1066 strap once fsb rises above 400, and overclockers have to use clockgen to hold onto the 1033 strap if they want to keep performance in tune.

Just for the fun of it I just ran ClockGen but it just freezed up on me. Can you tell me which version did you run it with?

w.r.t. the lack of subtimings in the BIOS, the P5B dlx had the same issues initially but Asus addressed that problem with the 2nd/3rd bios release.
How many bios(es) do we have now...... I just have a gut feeling that perhaps they jsut don't wanna do it for whatever reason, but I certainly hope that I'm wrong on this.



No problem. ;)

I'm using ClockGen version 1.0.5.0.
Just select ICS 954123 and check ignore GSB/PCI in PLL setup.

Works fine for me altough it does not display PCI and PCI-E frequency.

I'd rather set everything from bios myself as well but if this is the only way, i'll do it like that untill maybe some day Asus will pleasantly surprise us with subtiming in their latest bios.

Just keep hoping, other than that i still like the board.

Btw, running 4:5 everything is fine up till 415 FSB (~DDR1040), any higher and the system just freezes in SuperPi. :(

[lawrywild]

It is fine if i use 1.85 vmch for 24/7?

Probably if you cool it well enough

[Nmbr1Ballr]

Just went to 1901 from 1707 and it says OC failed at startup. Time to go back to 1707.

Edit: guess i'm not going back to 1707. Won't let me.

[Nmbr1Ballr]

Ok. I really need some help. With this :banana::banana::banana::banana: 1901 bios, my previous OC now fails (previously i was at 400x9 @ 1.5375v). What happens is: I setup everything exact same in bios, save and restart. My cpu turns on, and the first ASUS P5WDH DELUXE screen stays there and does not progress. I can't get into bios, hit tab to see information, etc. I turn off and on same thing happens except I got lucky and it let me get into bios after saying OC failed or overvoltage failed. Now I am back at default. I can't flash back to any previous bios cause it says "This bios image cant be used in this motherboard". Please help me get rid of this bios crap or how do I fix my problem? :( Thanks for any help

EDIT: Just restarted and booted at 375fsb @ 1.5375v. I went to go to 400 and up my voltage to 1.6 and it fails. There is no way 1.6volts isn't enough to be stable for 400fsb.

[cuke2u]

Hi, new version http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3301.html
ChrisC

[sombrio]

Ok. I really need some help. With this :banana::banana::banana::banana: 1901 bios, my previous OC now fails (previously i was at 400x9 @ 1.5375v). What happens is: I setup everything exact same in bios, save and restart. My cpu turns on, and the first ASUS P5WDH DELUXE screen stays there and does not progress. I can't get into bios, hit tab to see information, etc. I turn off and on same thing happens except I got lucky and it let me get into bios after saying OC failed or overvoltage failed. Now I am back at default. I can't flash back to any previous bios cause it says "This bios image cant be used in this motherboard". Please help me get rid of this bios crap or how do I fix my problem? :( Thanks for any help

EDIT: Just restarted and booted at 375fsb @ 1.5375v. I went to go to 400 and up my voltage to 1.6 and it fails. There is no way 1.6volts isn't enough to be stable for 400fsb.

Use afudos 211.

[Burner27]

Just went to 1901 from 1707 and it says OC failed at startup. Time to go back to 1707.

Edit: guess i'm not going back to 1707. Won't let me.



To quote another user:

AFUDOS 217 worked for me, reverting from 1901 back to 1707.
- FTP: ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/f...FUDOS_v217.zip
- also uploaded to: http://premium1.uploadit.org/bichi007//AFUDOS217.zip

[Methylphenidate]

I'm running 4 Dimms with my Q6600 at stock speeds, and my RAM at DDR2-800 without too much trouble. One set is D9's and the other set is some Corsair chips 4-4-4-12 2.1V is the rated speed. I'm running all 4 DIMMs at 2.0V 4-4-4-12. Anything but a 1:1 ratio works just fine so far (I've only tried running memory faster than my FSB). 1:1 ratio gives me instability even at DDR2-667 5-5-5-15 2.1V. It's bizzarre.

[Nmbr1Ballr]

I put afudos on a floppy and I THINK i followed the directions. I put the file on the floppy, boot from floppy then run the bios from the file on my computer correct? When I booted from floppy, it said remove disk or other media. What am I doing wrong?

[Amigan]

I'm running 4 Dimms with my Q6600 at stock speeds, and my RAM at DDR2-800 without too much trouble. One set is D9's and the other set is some Corsair chips 4-4-4-12 2.1V is the rated speed. I'm running all 4 DIMMs at 2.0V 4-4-4-12. Anything but a 1:1 ratio works just fine so far (I've only tried running memory faster than my FSB). 1:1 ratio gives me instability even at DDR2-667 5-5-5-15 2.1V. It's bizzarre.


Hi , i've got 4 x 1GB (Crucial 10th Anniv d9) running 1:1 (4-4-4-12 ) @ 800mhz @ 1.9v but with my plain 6600.

perhaps its your quad and this board not being ideal for quads ?

regards

[Psitech]

I put afudos on a floppy and I THINK i followed the directions. I put the file on the floppy, boot from floppy then run the bios from the file on my computer correct? When I booted from floppy, it said remove disk or other media. What am I doing wrong?

You have to have an OS to boot to on the floppy. Make a floppy startup/dos disk and then run afudos. If you have nero you can make a bootable cd. I placed the afudos and the bios file on my C drive and then booted with the cd and then executed afudos from the c drive. This was the easiest way for me (extremely easy).

[shahar07]

when i do raid 0, on what time i should put the drivers on ?

[Nmbr1Ballr]

So basically all you did was put the rom file and afudos onto a cd and booted from cd and it worked. I didnt try that but am I supposed to but the rom file on the floppy too or just the afudos. I'm not sure how to make a startup/dos disk.

[shahar07]

i did a floppy disk, but till now i didnt ask for the drivers
and now i do the install for win vista

[Nmbr1Ballr]

i did a floppy disk, but till now i didnt ask for the drivers
and now i do the install for win vista
i was talking to psitech lol

[lawrywild]

Have you got a usb flash drive?

Make it bootable: http://www.weethet.nl/english/hardware_bootfromusbstick.php

Put in 1707.rom and afudos.exe

Boot to it by tapping F8 at POST and selecting it. (you may need to change this to Forced FDD in bios first in usb configuration)

then type

afudos /i1707.rom /pbnc /n

Done.

[Nmbr1Ballr]

Have you got a usb flash drive?

Make it bootable: http://www.weethet.nl/english/hardware_bootfromusbstick.php

Put in 1707.rom and afudos.exe

Boot to it by tapping F8 at POST and selecting it. (you may need to change this to Forced FDD in bios first in usb configuration)

then type



Done.
I have an ipod. Can that be used in the same was as a flash drive?

[lawrywild]

I have an ipod. Can that be used in the same was as a flash drive?

Yeh it can, but it would require you to format it to a normal ntfs drive which would lose all the songs and I don't know whther you can restore the ipod OS back onto it easily, so not recommended.

Or try this: http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/

same as what I already posted from "load on rom and afudos" bit

[Nmbr1Ballr]

Ok while you replied to my last post, I was trying to boot from cd. What I did was: sent my friend the afudos file and the rom file. He then made it in nero bootable. I booted from cd which took me into dos. I tpyed D:\ which took me to my cdrom drive. I typed afudos /ip5w_dh_asus_deluxe_1707.rom. It correctly opened the file and read it. It then said this bios is to out of date, go to www.asus.com.

[Bail_w]

My system automatically boot up twice today while i did not touch anything.

[Nmbr1Ballr]

My system automatically boot up twice today while i did not touch anything.
Mine does that like once every 2 or 3 days.

[Methylphenidate]

Maybe it has to do with my quad. I still need to do more testing to determine if it's that particular divider or if it's the memory speed, but so far everything points to that divider just plain old not working on my board... :s

I somewhat suspect that if I had access to sub-timings that maybe I could tweak those and get it working, but again, I haven't had a chance to really play around with that.

[d.chatten]

With bios 1901 i can't boot from USB pen drives (of which i have five), all i get when i try to boot from any of the USB pen drives is a message on the screen saying "Missing Operating System", if i go back to any bios previous to 1901 i can then boot from USB, also whith bios 1901 i can't use the "ASUS Crash Free" feature (Alt + F2) to recover the bios, it doesn't detect any CD ROM it just goes in to a loop saying that it's looking for CD/Floppy or USB, when i use a USB pen drive it finds the bios file (P5WDH.ROM) and says it's reading the file, but then it just sits there doing nothing, when i revert back to any bios previous to 1901 all works fine.

Has anyone else had any of these issues with bios 1901 or am i the only one?

Thanks!

[Psitech]

So basically all you did was put the rom file and afudos onto a cd and booted from cd and it worked. I didnt try that but am I supposed to but the rom file on the floppy too or just the afudos. I'm not sure how to make a startup/dos disk.

No. You're not understanding what i'm saying. You need an OS to boot to. The afudos is an exe not an OS. You need to make some media (cd, floppy, usb) bootable. Once you boot to that device and are in dos then you can execute afudos and flash back to 1707.

I mentioned the cd because if you have nero it's the easiest way to go. Just have nero create a bootable cd (it's in the options). Then boot to the cd (dos) and switch to C and then type: afudos /i<bios filename.rom> /n /pbnc

Edit: It's also easier to save the bios file name to something like 1707.rom. That will make it easier when running the command (afudos /i1707.rom /n /pbnc)

Don't worry about making another cd to switch the filename. Just drop afudos and the 1707.rom to the root of your c drive. Boot to the cd and then switch to C and then run the command.

[krat]

1901 doesn' boot from USB. use a bootable floppy disk

[pH(x)]

Thing is, even without stuff like the advanced timings in bios not being there, I still actually like this board.

But, I can understand why you would switch if you had a multi unlocked cpu or a good clocker, but since I don't, I don't upwards multi or manual timings as I run 344 fsb
Is the P5B a multiplier unlocked board?

[WeldZilla]

You know numbr1bllr you can just call the asus toll free number and talk to the bios department and have them send you a bios 1707 bios chip.

A just a little note to all of you still loading up this 1901 or higher bios STOP!!!
For at least 90% of you it is not going to help a thing. What? I sware if someone came in and said that he rubbed his board with Dog:banana::banana::banana::banana:and it made it go over 400fsb half of you would run out and get a damn handful and smear it all over your boards. I am sorry but most just don't know enough to get what this board will offer and you'll be damned if you are going to take the time to learn your board. you just want answers and miracles dammit and to hell with all the rest. This board is just great!! It rocked with my Presler. It rolled with my e6400 and it just screams with my e6600. By far the best board I have ever laid my hands on. It pushes my 7900GT to heights I never imagined til I got this board, this 6600 and this memory. It is a potent combination!!

If this post pisses you off well thats a good thing.

WZ

I'll be looking to pick up your boards cheap on the bay and C's list and in the forums.

[lawrywild]

if someone came in and said that he rubbed his board with Dog:banana::banana::banana::banana:and it made it go over 400fsb half of you would run out and get a damn handful and smear it all over your boards.

ROFL :D

[WeldZilla]

I am glad you saw the sarcastic humor in there lawrywild. I believe you have done a great job with this thread and have really gone above and beyond the "Call of Duty" with the help it has given.

WZ

[OneyedK]

he rubbed his board with Dog:banana::banana::banana::banana:and it made it go over 400fsb half of you would run out and get a damn handful and smear it all over your boards.

Some misunderstood and used a lot of :bs:

:fact: Get a dog! :D

Great topic, good board!

[DanPhillips]

Hello folks.

This is not regarding an issue with slow posting. It is regarding the bug where p5w and p5b based boards are slow to load windows. The windows load bar scrolls past 10-14 times at boot and that's with raid 0 raptorx and a high spec machine. i have found this with XP and Vista and have tried everything. I am considering offering a reward to the person who can fix this issue, it's been driving me nuts for months. Please Help!

Hello,
I had exactly the same thing, Under device manager in IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers have a look at the channel your drive/drives is on, right click and select properties, click the advanced settings tab look at the current transfer mode. Mine had mysteriously changed to PIO when it should have been ultra dma 5, if yours is PIO right click and just uninstall the device. Next time you boot it should be back to normal :)

Cheers

Dan

[iadstudio]

I am glad you saw the sarcastic humor in there lawrywild. I believe you have done a great job with this thread and have really gone above and beyond the "Call of Duty" with the help it has given.

WZ

I second that. Thanks lawrywild :clap:

If you take the time to read through this thread it'll tell you everything that's possible and not possible with this board. I like this board and love this thread.

For all those who can't figure out why their system won't run right

1. stop overclocking
2. stop downloading pron
3 start reading instructions

[Thewli]

So, for something different, which cooler are you guys using to cool the NB Chipset on this board? I'm most curios in waterblocks, since I'm considering this, but if you don't, post your cooling anyway.

[nickfd]

So, for something different, which cooler are you guys using to cool the NB Chipset on this board? I'm most curios in waterblocks, since I'm considering this, but if you don't, post your cooling anyway.

A paste from lawry's first post :)

Recommended Chipset Heatsinks:
Thermalright HR-05 (use asus clip)
Thermalright HR-05 SLI (use asus clip)
Thermalright NB-1/C
Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II
Swiftech whatever they're called
ASUS stock cooler + 40mm fan

--
I personally use the thermaltake extreme spirit II on air, but quite a few regular posted have the swiftech northbridge cooler.. MCW something? I forget the model as well.

[nickfd]

I second that. Thanks lawrywild :clap:

If you take the time to read through this thread it'll tell you everything that's possible and not possible with this board. I like this board and love this thread.

For all those who can't figure out why their system won't run right

1. stop overclocking
2. stop downloading pron
3 start reading instructions

How can you tell us to stop with the pron?! That's blasphemous! What else are computers good for? ;)

[cuke2u]

Hi, is there a particular breed of dog whose poo is better??? :-)
Chrisc

[ChrisUK]

@ Alfieg

slow booooooooooooooooot.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello folks.

This is not regarding an issue with slow posting. It is regarding the bug where p5w and p5b based boards are slow to load windows. The windows load bar scrolls past 10-14 times at boot and that's with raid 0 raptorx and a high spec machine. i have found this with XP and Vista and have tried everything. I am considering offering a reward to the person who can fix this issue, it's been driving me nuts for months. Please Help!


I have had this problem a few times, the last pc I sorted this out on had the line on the WinXP load going across the screen about 40 odd times. How did I fix it....I simply booted into Windows then loaded the Intel chipset drivers again.

Then you will be back to about 6 scrolls during XP's boot up.

Give it a go if you havent fixed it yet.

Chris

PS. I seem to be stuck at 370FSB and I've tried everything in this thread.
PPS. What the max voltage I can safely take this X6800 of mine. It'll go 3.7+

[shimmishim]

Can someone with this board do me a huge favor?

Can someone measure the distance between the two pci-e 16x slots?

I need to get an SLi bridge for my bad axe 2 and found an asus one for $4 but want to make sure the length is right.

it should be somewhere close to 4cm (1.5 inch) or 6cm.

[BenchZowner]

Can someone with this board do me a huge favor?

Can someone measure the distance between the two pci-e 16x slots?

I need to get an SLi bridge for my bad axe 2 and found an asus one for $4 but want to make sure the length is right.

it should be somewhere close to 4cm (1.5 inch) or 6cm.

~6,3cm

[triggerc]

A paste from lawry's first post :)

Recommended Chipset Heatsinks:
Thermalright HR-05 (use asus clip)
Thermalright HR-05 SLI (use asus clip)
Thermalright NB-1/C
Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II
Swiftech whatever they're called
ASUS stock cooler + 40mm fan

--
I personally use the thermaltake extreme spirit II on air, but quite a few regular posted have the swiftech northbridge cooler.. MCW something? I forget the model as well.

the MCX159-cu, I had that, but I'm using the extreme spirit II as well now, i believe it cools better and looks better.

[shimmishim]

~6,3cm

thank you very much!

[Digidish]

I come on here all the time to get help with overclocking, but most of the time its just the same
questions over and over and a forum so people can say how great their graphics card is or whatever.
What GFX card I have, or what hard drives I have provides zero bearing on overclocking profile, so
I'm not going to use this as on open forum to show off my wares.

All too rarely, people ask for screen shots of one's BIOS settings so perhaps they can replicate, but
people rarely post them. It's not like o/c is a big secret. My goal was to get as high a clock speed
at 'auto' settings in the BIOS while maintaining decent temperatures.

Anyway, I've had this board for a couple of months, and have tried everything. I'm Orthos stable with
the screen shots of the BIOS and all the settings for 13+ hours at the current speed/setup. But, when
I try and go to 378x9 (3.4ghz), I crash instantly. I can't get above the speeds I have no matter what.
I've tried the memset thing (doesn't make any difference to my performance, still stuck). Although I
would love to see advanced memory timings (my P5B-E has them), I dont' forsee it in any BIOS revision,
but, I'm not so sure that is the issue with this board.

I've read the forums (all billion pages) and it "might" be related to what week processor I have and all
that junk. I'm not sure what week I have (never looked on the box, and I probably threw it away).

Perhaps from my screenshots, someone can guuide me in what else needs to be done to get 3.4ghz (which is
all I want actually).

Yes, I've tried upping vcore, and MCH and FSB settings. But, still no luck. I see a lot of chatter on here
about doing MCH at 1.65v? Unless every board is different, one can be stable at auto settings and 3.3ghz.

I can post and boot in windows at 1.4v vcore at 378x9 (3.4ghz) but it crashes quickly (Orthos). I did a
memtest, and I have no errors. I tried 1.6v vcore I think just to see if what I could do, and I can get
a boot into Windows at 3.6ghz (400x9) with 4-4-4-12 timings, and I could do a cpu-z validation to show off,
but that does nothing for me or anyone else since its not stable.

I'm using air cooling - ZALMAN CNPS9500.
I have not done any modifications (no pencil, vdroop or anything).
I have no cooling on the NB, using everything out of the box.

Case is the Antec P180 (no modifications).
Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 ATX12V 550W

Memory is:
Patriot eXtreme Performance
PDC22G6400LLK
2GB (2 x 1GB)
DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Cas Latency 4
Timing 4-4-4-12
Voltage 2.2V
Features EPP (Enhanced Performance Profiles) Ready


Temps under full load (Orthos) are ~55 for each core.

I am using Arctic Silver 5 as well.

If you want to use these settings for yourself, go ahead. Once again, there isn't any secret to them.
If you screw something up, don't think that I'm responsible though.

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios1uv6.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios2gg7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios3sp6.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopxr4.jpg

Anyway, if anyone sees something in the BIOS that is obvious that I should be doing differently, then
please point it out and I'll give it a shot.


Thanks for all the help in the forums thus far, got me to at least this point.

[monza1412]

I come on here all the time to get help with overclocking, but most of the time its just the same
questions over and over and a forum so people can say how great their graphics card is or whatever.
What GFX card I have, or what hard drives I have provides zero bearing on overclocking profile, so
I'm not going to use this as on open forum to show off my wares.

All too rarely, people ask for screen shots of one's BIOS settings so perhaps they can replicate, but
people rarely post them. It's not like o/c is a big secret. My goal was to get as high a clock speed
at 'auto' settings in the BIOS while maintaining decent temperatures.

Anyway, I've had this board for a couple of months, and have tried everything. I'm Orthos stable with
the screen shots of the BIOS and all the settings for 13+ hours at the current speed/setup. But, when
I try and go to 378x9 (3.4ghz), I crash instantly. I can't get above the speeds I have no matter what.
I've tried the memset thing (doesn't make any difference to my performance, still stuck). Although I
would love to see advanced memory timings (my P5B-E has them), I dont' forsee it in any BIOS revision,
but, I'm not so sure that is the issue with this board.

I've read the forums (all billion pages) and it "might" be related to what week processor I have and all
that junk. I'm not sure what week I have (never looked on the box, and I probably threw it away).

Perhaps from my screenshots, someone can guuide me in what else needs to be done to get 3.4ghz (which is
all I want actually).

Yes, I've tried upping vcore, and MCH and FSB settings. But, still no luck. I see a lot of chatter on here
about doing MCH at 1.65v? Unless every board is different, one can be stable at auto settings and 3.3ghz.

I can post and boot in windows at 1.4v vcore at 378x9 (3.4ghz) but it crashes quickly (Orthos). I did a
memtest, and I have no errors. I tried 1.6v vcore I think just to see if what I could do, and I can get
a boot into Windows at 3.6ghz (400x9) with 4-4-4-12 timings, and I could do a cpu-z validation to show off,
but that does nothing for me or anyone else since its not stable.

I'm using air cooling - ZALMAN CNPS9500.
I have not done any modifications (no pencil, vdroop or anything).
I have no cooling on the NB, using everything out of the box.

Case is the Antec P180 (no modifications).
Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 ATX12V 550W

Memory is:
Patriot eXtreme Performance
PDC22G6400LLK
2GB (2 x 1GB)
DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Cas Latency 4
Timing 4-4-4-12
Voltage 2.2V
Features EPP (Enhanced Performance Profiles) Ready


Temps under full load (Orthos) are ~55 for each core.

I am using Arctic Silver 5 as well.

If you want to use these settings for yourself, go ahead. Once again, there isn't any secret to them.
If you screw something up, don't think that I'm responsible though.

http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios1uv6.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios2gg7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bios3sp6.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopxr4.jpg

Anyway, if anyone sees something in the BIOS that is obvious that I should be doing differently, then
please point it out and I'll give it a shot.


Thanks for all the help in the forums thus far, got me to at least this point.



psu problem, maybe? Name the rest of your hardware.
Your voltages looks good to me, maybe you should try 1.55/1.65 in the mhc.
Change your cpu multi to 8, and see if its the cpu that is holding you back



edit: Im sorry, I didnt understand, it crash your computer and it reboots, or it crashes orthos?

[Digidish]

I did try x8, x7 everything. Won't let me do anything. 367 is the highest I can do. I"m stable at 367, if I do even 368 ... crash.

Orthos fails, no reboots.

I tried all voltages, even vcore up to 1.6v

Nothign seems to work. My P5B-E with this chip can do 400x9 no problem with 1.45v vcore.

[clee]

No problem. ;)

I'm using ClockGen version 1.0.5.0.
Just select ICS 954123 and check ignore GSB/PCI in PLL setup.

Works fine for me altough it does not display PCI and PCI-E frequency.

I'd rather set everything from bios myself as well but if this is the only way, i'll do it like that untill maybe some day Asus will pleasantly surprise us with subtiming in their latest bios.

Just keep hoping, other than that i still like the board.

Btw, running 4:5 everything is fine up till 415 FSB (~DDR1040), any higher and the system just freezes in SuperPi. :(

K...thanks.

I have tried version 1.0.5.0 & 1.0.4.7 and both hanged.
I have the revison 1.04 P5W DH so may be they change the ICS ?
Anyway I'll keep it @ 420 1:1 for now


......
My P5B-E with this chip can do 400x9 no problem with 1.45v vcore.

I also own the P5B wifi dlx ( similar to your P5B-E ) & imho this board is not as forgiving when it comes to o'cing.
It won't get you far if you set both vICH and vMVH to auto, especially the vMCH setting on this board is very much different from P5B-E.

Try vMCH=1.65 and vICH=1.3 but you definitely need beefier cooling on the northbridge.
There'll be work cut out for you to fine tune the P5W, but when it's done properly, I think you'll like this board better.

[loutsos]

@digidish --> Enable SPD Timings in BIOS

[cuke2u]

[QUOTE=monza1412]psu problem, maybe? Name the rest of your hardware.
Your voltages looks good to me, maybe you should try 1.55/1.65 in the mhc.
Change your cpu multi to 8, and see if its the cpu that is holding you back


Hi, the Antec is fine,made by seasonic...
ChrisC

[QuietRiot]

From looking at your BIOS screenies:
- Try CPU Internal Thermal Control "Off" (http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/893/bios2gg7.jpg)
- SPD Enable (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4457/bios3sp6.jpg) and DRAM Throttling Threshold also disabled. Regarding the SPD, some people (like me) can't OC after a certain limit (360 - 370 FSB) with SPD disabled. Enable it and give it a try - hoping that your RAM's EPP should be able to detect/use the proper timings.


Even though you mentioned that you would like to reach a stable OC with everything on auto, I believe that that might be one of your issues. I can reach a 'BF2142 stable' 400 FSB on my board with everything on auto, but it becomes much smoother when I up the voltages a bit. I have mine at:
vMCH - 1.65v
vFSB - 1.40v
vICH - 1.05v

Also, regarding temperatures, I strongly advise to replace the NB's and SB's thermal paste. It's not as complicated as it might look (at least for my noobish eyes it looked that way).



Antec NeoPower NeoHE 550 ATX12V 550W

Like Monza mentioned, it could be a PSU issue.

From the first post:
Antec NeoHE Power Supply Units - Buy something decent.

[ChrisUK]

I have exact same problem as above.

I cant get my board past 366Mhz FSB unless I increase voltage to vMCH - 1.65v, vFSB - 1.20v and vICH - 1.05v. After doing this I can get to 370Mhz but thats it. I have have altered the vMCH, vFSB and vICH to there max voltage and I still couldnt get past 370Mhz FSB. All I get is a blank screen upon boot. I have only tried up to 1.4625 or so volts to the processor but what can I safely go up to? It is water cooled using an Asetek Extreme kit.

I can run the processor at 370 * 10 but cant run it at 400 x 9. Odd huh?

I set the MEM to SPD but I am wondering if its has something to do with the SuperTalent modules I use. The are supposed to run at 4.4.3.8 @ 800Mhz but cpuZ report the SPD setting at something different at the default speed. Would this have an effect on the overclock of the FSB at all when I set them to SPD to get past the 370Mhz or so FSB wall? I can run this memory at 1066Mhz using 5.5.5.15 timings so it isnt the memory speed holding me back.

I have some different PC800 modules arriving soon so will try those and see.

Any help appreciated.

Chris

[nickfd]

I have exact same problem as above.

I cant get my board past 366Mhz FSB unless I increase voltage to vMCH - 1.65v, vFSB - 1.20v and vICH - 1.05v. After doing this I can get to 370Mhz but thats it. I have have altered the vMCH, vFSB and vICH to there max voltage and I still couldnt get past 370Mhz FSB. All I get is a blank screen upon boot. I have only tried up to 1.4625 or so volts to the processor but what can I safely go up to? It is water cooled using an Asetek Extreme kit.

I can run the processor at 370 * 10 but cant run it at 400 x 9. Odd huh?

I set the MEM to SPD but I am wondering if its has something to do with the SuperTalent modules I use. The are supposed to run at 4.4.3.8 @ 800Mhz but cpuZ report the SPD setting at something different at the default speed. Would this have an effect on the overclock of the FSB at all when I set them to SPD to get past the 370Mhz or so FSB wall? I can run this memory at 1066Mhz using 5.5.5.15 timings so it isnt the memory speed holding me back.

I have some different PC800 modules arriving soon so will try those and see.

Any help appreciated.

Chris

Sounds very similar to most of us that have earlier week produced CPUs. I have a week 27 if I remember (check my sig), and slightly over 380fsb is my absolute max. I'm on water and can and am pushing 1.60-1.61 vcore to the chip and idle at 55c, gaming at 65c, and torturing (prime95) at 71c. That's fine for me.

Have you tried using memset to set your tRFC and tRD to 42-8 ? I'd recommend to boot to your stable clock with loosened timings, SPD if necessary, set your tRFC and tRD, and clockgen/setfsb/whatever up to a higher fsb. Lots of people have to do this to hit higher clocks.

[infrared]

Hey,

Finally recieved my new motherboard after my first one died, but i'm having some probs already.

It came with bios 1601/1602 (can't remember which). I've flashed it to 1901, but since then i've wanted to 'downgrade' the bios to 1407 and have found that I can't flash to anything older than 1901 anymore. I've tried AsusUpdate, with the downgrade option checked, then i've tried EZ Flash, and then AFUDos... nothing seems to work! Does anyone know why this is happening or what i can do?

Thanks

[BenchZowner]

AFUDOS v2.11 flashback should work ( and works ).

But there's a new kid on the block ( LOL ), flash to BIOS v2001 ( check pages 202-205 of this thread ), then you can downgrade with Asus Update & EZ-Flash ( within BIOS ) :)

[ to downgrade with Asus Update you gotta "tick" the "Downgrade" value in options ]

[Lt_JWS]

I just picked up this board, what do i need to do to get Vista "sleep" mode working?

Thanks

[infrared]

lol, not a total n00b, but thnx for the heads up on the BIOS 2001, i'll give that a shot.

Cheers

EDIT:

Flashing back from bios 2001 using AsusUpdate is a no-go:

http://img.techpowerup.org/070228/Capture013.png

I'll give EZFlash a try quick.

EDIT #2:

EZ Flash is also shaking it's head at me :nono:

So Asus have decided to make it impossible to go back from bios 1901?

[Psitech]

Use afudos 2.11 like BenchZowner said. If that doesn't work try afudos 2.17. I know for a fact that 2.17 works because I used it to flash back from 1901 to 1707.

This question has been asked a lot lately. I suggest folks read or at least search the thread before posting.

[infrared]

Yep, that worked, thanks for your help :)

[cuke2u]

Hi, motherboard died last night RIP. Sending it back to www.overclockers.co.uk today...
ChrisC

[lawrywild]

Good luck getting a quick rma from ocuk o.O

PS: People using 4x1GB ram.. did any of your oc's drop from 2x1GB? or did you just need to bump vmch a little?

[OneyedK]

PS: People using 4x1GB ram.. did any of your oc's drop from 2x1GB? or did you just need to bump vmch a little?

I had to up de memory voltage with 0.1V (Titanium Alpha VX2 form 2.2V to 2.3V 4-4-4-15) but there seemed to be no need to up vmch (1.55V/400MHz/1:1)

/edit: nvmd sig, system under construction, as always...

[deadlock7]

One more with fsb problems.I had about 5 mobos DH.Yeap 5!:p:
The last one is with X6800 and cannot increase fsb unless i use high vcore.About 1.7 for 395fsb.If i use clockgen it reaches 450 for sure.I don't blame asus for this because i had AW9D-Max before with same issues.So it should be the cpu.
This problem diasappeared when i used single SS.I'll try with DH and i'll post my results..

I have an external USB HDD and it takes a lot of time to find it when booting.Does anyone know a way to fix this?:rolleyes:

[BenchZowner]

One more with fsb problems.I had about 5 mobos DH.Yeap 5!:p:
The last one is with X6800 and cannot increase fsb unless i use high vcore.About 1.7 for 395fsb.If i use clockgen it reaches 450 for sure.I don't blame asus for this because i had AW9D-Max before with same issues.So it should be the cpu.
This problem diasappeared when i used single SS.I'll try with DH and i'll post my results..

I have an external USB HDD and it takes a lot of time to find it when booting.Does anyone know a way to fix this?:rolleyes:

Hi m8, keep in mind that when the motherboard POSTs, its using the default CPU Multiplier ( 11x ) and then switches to the selected multiplier ( just in case ).
[ that explains the disappearance of your issue when you installed your SS ]

[deadlock7]

Hi m8, keep in mind that when the motherboard POSTs, its using the default CPU Multiplier ( 11x ) and then switches to the selected multiplier ( just in case ).
[ that explains the disappearance of your issue when you installed your SS ]

This happens even with the unlocked cpus like X6800?Moreover both mobos work with the same way?I've never had this issue with 6600,6700 i had tried before.So maybe you're right..;)

[Nmbr1Ballr]

Anyone ever get a problem like this or have an idea what is causing it? Sometimes when I am on my computer, my internet stops working. Now all signals on my modem show that my internet it up and running but no actual programs that require internet work. For example, I can be surfing the internet right now, and all of a sudden it all stops working but my modem and everything is still fine. I can unplug my modem and re-plug it in and still no go. Usually it requires me to reboot my computer and it takes literally like at least 5 minutes just to shut down to reboot. And sometimes it gives me a Microsoft has recovered from a serious error crap. Any ideas? Only problem I see is my internet stops working, although its not actually my connection that is the problem.

[infrared]

Good luck getting a quick rma from ocuk o.O

PS: People using 4x1GB ram.. did any of your oc's drop from 2x1GB? or did you just need to bump vmch a little?

LOL, you can say that again! 59 days for all the bits and pieces to individually arrive, as it seemed that they sold the box and accessories i'd sent with it. :mad: I had to threaten legal action before they actually did anything helpful.

My max stable fsb dropped from 440mhz down to 408mhz. The vMCH is set to 1.85v already, and i havn't done the vmods yet so i don't know if increasing the voltage will help any.

[cuke2u]

Hi, never had any issues with OC before, and I've spent thousands with them. All companies will mess up some time in their business dealings, doesn't necessarily make them bad, only human. We're still with Asus despite their failings in service support, getting us a usable bios and the rest....

Must have used the wrong kinda dog poo, with my MB :slapass:
ChrisC

[lawrywild]

Hi, never had any issues with OC before, and I've spent thousands with them. All companies will mess up some time in their business dealings, doesn't necessarily make them bad, only human. We're still with Asus despite their failings in service support, getting us a usable bios and the rest....

Must have used the wrong kinda dog poo, with my MB :slapass:
ChrisC

I supposed you havn't seen that the owner of ocuk is openly racist on the forums?

[Lt_JWS]

I got my P5W yesterday, and for the most part its doing ok. Im having alot of trouble OCing it to be honest.... nothing about 2.88Ghz wants to work for over 15-20minutes. Im thinking its the 4x512mb of ram im using, but Vista error reporting says its CPU related...... anyone care to share there bios screens? All i want is a simple 3Ghz and i'll be happy :D

[psy4fun]

Hi nickfd,

This is exactly what I was discussing in another forum! But, hey! 65C isn't too much for this chip?!

Someone suggest me this link: http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm (roll the page and you find an Intel Core 2 Duo table). As indicated in the tables, the max core temp for an E6600 is 60.1°C!

In my case, I can go over 390 FSB maintaining something between 40C idle and 60C FULL. I can push a bit more, but from here every notch in vcore grow my temps geometrically! So, I'm trying to stay in a "safe side", lowering my OC a bit (380 actually) and keeping my temps under control.

So, I ask you again: is safe to run an E6600 in 65C, even 60C?

Thank you,

Alex


Sounds very similar to most of us that have earlier week produced CPUs. I have a week 27 if I remember (check my sig), and slightly over 380fsb is my absolute max. I'm on water and can and am pushing 1.60-1.61 vcore to the chip and idle at 55c, gaming at 65c, and torturing (prime95) at 71c. That's fine for me.

Have you tried using memset to set your tRFC and tRD to 42-8 ? I'd recommend to boot to your stable clock with loosened timings, SPD if necessary, set your tRFC and tRD, and clockgen/setfsb/whatever up to a higher fsb. Lots of people have to do this to hit higher clocks.

[Ripn929]

Use afudos 2.11 like BenchZowner said. If that doesn't work try afudos 2.17. I know for a fact that 2.17 works because I used it to flash back from 1901 to 1707.

This question has been asked a lot lately. I suggest folks read or at least search the thread before posting.

I can't seem to find a place to download this tool. I googled it and keep coming up with dead links to the download. I flashed the "2001" bios and now my PC won't boot windows, keeps saying disk read error, I want to load up somthing earlier.:slapass:

[BenchZowner]

This happens even with the unlocked cpus like X6800?Moreover both mobos work with the same way?I've never had this issue with 6600,6700 i had tried before.So maybe you're right..;)

Yep, this happens with unlocked CPUs as well :) [ oh by the way, do you have the "FSB hole" at 400MHz with the X6800 ? ]

[BenchZowner]

I can't seem to find a place to download this tool. I googled it and keep coming up with dead links to the download. I flashed the "2001" bios and now my PC won't boot windows, keeps saying disk read error, I want to load up somthing earlier.:slapass:

1) Disk Read error...have you checked in BIOS for the correct Disk Boot sequence ? Sounds to me like your board is trying to boot with a hard drive with no windows setup on it :)

2) ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS211.zip

[nickfd]

Hi nickfd,

This is exactly what I was discussing in another forum! But, hey! 65C isn't too much for this chip?!

Someone suggest me this link: http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm (roll the page and you find an Intel Core 2 Duo table). As indicated in the tables, the max core temp for an E6600 is 60.1°C!

In my case, I can go over 390 FSB maintaining something between 40C idle and 60C FULL. I can push a bit more, but from here every notch in vcore grow my temps geometrically! So, I'm trying to stay in a "safe side", lowering my OC a bit (380 actually) and keeping my temps under control.

So, I ask you again: is safe to run an E6600 in 65C, even 60C?

Thank you,

Alex

Alex, from all the threads that I've read on multiple forums, everyone said that being in the 60s is safe. It's when you are in the 70s that you begin to lose life on your chip. If you look in CoreTemp, the Junction temperature is 85c, which is basically the melting point..

Granted, we all take risks while overclocking, and pushing all of our equipment to specifications that it wasn't manufactured to do, so please take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm running just fine idling in high 40s/low 50s, gaming in the 60s, and prime95'ing at ~70-71c pushing 1.60-1.61vcore.

[Ripn929]

1) Disk Read error...have you checked in BIOS for the correct Disk Boot sequence ? Sounds to me like your board is trying to boot with a hard drive with no windows setup on it :)

2) ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS211.zip


I checked the boot sequence, I have a raid0, it lists 2 HDD's, one master and one slave, is that right?
1) o.k. i'm digging a little deeper in and I see that 32 bit data transfer is disabled on the HDD, it is a SATA 16mb. 400 Gb. seagate.

IT DID FORGET ABOUT THE RAID SETUP, I FIXED IT AND IT BOOTED RIGHT UP, SWEET!

[iadstudio]

After systematically loosing stability on my system the machine is now acting very strange. I can only boot if my memory is at 4:5 which makes it 875mhz (higher than chipset rating) and volts maxed out at 2.4v. If I try to lower the voltage at all the system chashes when it enters windows. At these settings it runs fine and passes ORthos for over 10-20 hours depending on the day but it used to be rock solid stable a few weeks ago.

I've even tried to boot at a lower FSB and even stock and no go. The system simply errors out like crazy or restarts unless my memory voltage is 2.4. What's going on?

Anybody, help please.:help:

[gritty]

I am having problems making DVD or CD disks with my Pioneer DVD/CD burner. My Plextor PlexWriter CD burner works fine. What is problem with the Pioneer burner not working? Some files come through ok and some are corrupt: audio missing in movies, etc. Is there a fix? In properties, unit is using Microsoft driver. Should I be getting one from Pioneer? Is there one?

Thank you for any help.

[DutchBBQ]

After systematically loosing stability on my system the machine is now acting very strange. I can only boot if my memory is at 4:5 which makes it 875mhz (higher than chipset rating) and volts maxed out at 2.4v. If I try to lower the voltage at all the system chashes when it enters windows. At these settings it runs fine and passes ORthos for over 10-20 hours depending on the day but it used to be rock solid stable a few weeks ago.

I've even tried to boot at a lower FSB and even stock and no go. The system simply errors out like crazy or restarts unless my memory voltage is 2.4. What's going on?

Anybody, help please.:help:

Any similarities with these posts?
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/intel-chipsets/107287-p5w-dh-deluxe-overclock-backing-down.html

[cuke2u]

Hi, motherboard has been delivered, Royal Mail has done there bit, and very well...
ChrisC

[deadlock7]

Yep, this happens with unlocked CPUs as well :) [ oh by the way, do you have the "FSB hole" at 400MHz with the X6800 ? ]

So all users with 6800 always increase fsb by windows?:confused:
That's not good..:rolleyes:
I couldn't reach 400fsb from bios even with 1.7vcore(actual 1.63) until mod the mobo..I didn't have any problem from bios..;)

[marijtje]

Did anyone on this forum fix the "unwanted restart" problem? I won't go into details, did that allready a few weeks ago.
Latest thing Asus told me to do: update the BIOS to version 1902. I did that and the pc still will not stay shut down.
So if anyone managed to get rid of this bug I would like to hear from you!

Thanks,
Johanna

[BenchZowner]

So all users with 6800 always increase fsb by windows?:confused:
That's not good..:rolleyes:
I couldn't reach 400fsb from bios even with 1.7vcore(actual 1.63) until mod the mobo..I didn't have any problem from bios..;)

Max bootable setting for my mobo with the X6800 is around 380-395MHz [ even with 1.7Vcore @ BIOS ] { haven't tried with more Vcore }

My mobo's stable at 475MHz FSB, but booting at 475MHz is a no go ( haven't tested that with extreme cooling on ) [ will test it out next weekend ]

With the E6600 my mobo boots fine at 400MHz FSB.
Max bootable fsb for this mobo with the E6600 is 420MHz.

...weirdness :D

[deadlock7]

I see!So it's problem with high multipliers.Too bad..i don't think they'll fix it!

[BenchZowner]

I see!So it's problem with high multipliers.Too bad..i don't think they'll fix it!

They didn't even bother fixing the locked multipliers with Extreme Edition CPUs ( including X6800/QX6700 ) with any BIOS over 1601, why would they get their hands dirty with this issue ? :P

[deadlock7]

I could reach 410fsb bootable and unlocked multi 6-30 with aw9d-max,but i like P5WDH much more.Anyway i don't see any reason to use 1601+ bioses..;)

[infrared]

The only advantage of using a newer bios than 1601 is for the "memory remapping" feature, which helps for when you've got more than 3gb's of ram installed.

Or does 1601 also have this feature? IDK.

BTW, has anyone notices higher cpu temperatures using the new 1901 + bioses?

[BenchZowner]

The only advantage of using a newer bios than 1601 is for the "memory remapping" feature

Well, the memory remap feature is included in BIOS v1601 :)

[infrared]

Ah, ok. My bad

[iadstudio]

Any similarities with these posts?
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/intel-chipsets/107287-p5w-dh-deluxe-overclock-backing-down.html


Sure sounds like it. Does that mean the board is destined to be a paperweight?

[gritty]

I updated the Pioneer firmware from 1-23 to the latest 1-29 version. This helped in reducing the number of bad sections from about 14 to only 2. Interesting that when I reburned the same project immediately after the prevous burn there were still 2 bad sections, but in different locations though. Is there something else I can do to get complete good burns?

My external sata conection does not appear to be functional. The sata port Raid 1 (upper left on mb next to rear panel connectors) works fine. Both are on the JMicron controller and it is enabled and set to Basic in the bios. Should not both be working with this setting? Is there something else I have to do.

Please help me on these items. So much to learn and not all explained easily in the manual.

Thank you guys for the other helpyou have already provided.

[kingskawn]

So there a whole bunch of P5W DH users and I would like to know if it's worth buying that card or if I can go with a P5B Deluxe? :stick:
I'm really impressed by the perfs of the two :slobber:

EDIT: I'm hesitating between de P5W and P5B because I've been told that the FSB of the P5B is higher than the P5W

[OneyedK]

Sure sounds like it. Does that mean the board is destined to be a paperweight?

Yes, if you damage the northbrigde with too much vmch and/or not enough cooling, every board will die.
Some suffer sudden death, some die screemin'...

Intel specifies vmch max 1.575V and we all use more :D
The wise do it with lots of good cooling.

(btw, same effect on 965)

[RTShaw]

problem.. with this Antec 500 supply in the bios it says the 12 volt rail is a little over 12 volts but after finishing booting looking at sandra, mbm & Everest they all say the voltage is 9.18 sometimes drops to 9.02 that seems almost impossible since im running this E6600 duo cpu at 3.4ghz 1:1 . stable completelty running for a week now.
So i tried figuring it out intelligently. What would create such a load after booting into winboze pro that it would drop the voltage 3 volts - bingo i thought USB so i unplugged everything from my my computer nothing plugged in still the bios said 12volts = 12 volts but in winbloze all utils i ran states 9.18 volts. what the hey? And the thing is solid asa rock at 3.4ghz its a 2.4 ghz cpu temp 41 C according to mbm with 2 update.. i even unplugged the internal floppy

Any ideas? this doesnt make sense. of course this may not be a power supply problem but if the system was being loaded down to the point the voltage drops that much then there would be something sucking more current then the supply can handle (ohms law )
i'm a loss 4 words other then trying another supply damn thats a lot of work 4 someone dan near blind and physically messed up..

System: mobo Asus P5W dh dlx,
1 - Core Duo 2.4 ghz E6600 (currently running at 3.4 ghz rock solid)
2 gigs ram
2- 500 gig segate Drives SATAII on a Sil EZ_backup mobo ports
2 - 36 Gig SATA 1 Raptors on INCH7R - Raid0 Array
2 - DVD Writers on the pcie Sil card
1- DVD Writer plextor 760A IDE
1 - Sil pcie SATA II Card (2 internal sata ports used 4 the above SATA DVD writers)
2 - 4 port usb self powered hubs, web cam logitec fusion, 2 - 150 DVD/CD carosels (self powered) USB 2.0
---
guess ill now run a benchmark and see where ts at with this supposedly 9.18 volts on the 12 volt line

Suggestions anyone? i know there some og's out there like myself... or young hot shots arent they?
Any info is appreciated...
gone 2 research.. Thank u

[iadstudio]

Yes, if you damage the northbrigde with too much vmch and/or not enough cooling, every board will die.
Some suffer sudden death, some die screemin'...

Intel specifies vmch max 1.575V and we all use more :D
The wise do it with lots of good cooling.

(btw, same effect on 965)

Ooh well. Does anyone know if the 680i chipsets hold up better?

[monza1412]

problem.. with this Antec 500 supply in the bios it says the 12 volt rail is a little over 12 volts but after finishing booting looking at sandra, mbm & Everest they all say the voltage is 9.18 sometimes drops to 9.02 that seems almost impossible since im running this E6600 duo cpu at 3.4ghz 1:1 . stable completelty running for a week now.
So i tried figuring it out intelligently. What would create such a load after booting into winboze pro that it would drop the voltage 3 volts - bingo i thought USB so i unplugged everything from my my computer nothing plugged in still the bios said 12volts = 12 volts but in winbloze all utils i ran states 9.18 volts. what the hey? And the thing is solid asa rock at 3.4ghz its a 2.4 ghz cpu temp 41 C according to mbm with 2 update.. i even unplugged the internal floppy

Any ideas? this doesnt make sense. of course this may not be a power supply problem but if the system was being loaded down to the point the voltage drops that much then there would be something sucking more current then the supply can handle (ohms law )
i'm a loss 4 words other then trying another supply damn thats a lot of work 4 someone dan near blind and physically messed up..

System: mobo Asus P5W dh dlx,
1 - Core Duo 2.4 ghz E6600 (currently running at 3.4 ghz rock solid)
2 gigs ram
2- 500 gig segate Drives SATAII on a Sil EZ_backup mobo ports
2 - 36 Gig SATA 1 Raptors on INCH7R - Raid0 Array
2 - DVD Writers on the pcie Sil card
1- DVD Writer plextor 760A IDE
1 - Sil pcie SATA II Card (2 internal sata ports used 4 the above SATA DVD writers)
2 - 4 port usb self powered hubs, web cam logitec fusion, 2 - 150 DVD/CD carosels (self powered) USB 2.0
---
guess ill now run a benchmark and see where ts at with this supposedly 9.18 volts on the 12 volt line

Suggestions anyone? i know there some og's out there like myself... or young hot shots arent they?
Any info is appreciated...
gone 2 research.. Thank u


you didn´t list your vga..:confused:

I would try to boot only with the hdd that has the OS, and check your 12v line again
Maybe its just a bug

[WeldZilla]

Hey RTShaw test your 12V. with a multimeter. It would almost be obvious to the naked eye if things fell that far fans that used to whine would be real quiet. Still the MM is the only way to know exactly how much juice your psu is putting out. Software can be just too buggy. I see a lot of you who have lost stability at or around 400fsb I see that alot of you state that you are running around 1.375 to 1.435 on the cpu voltage. Have any of you tried turning up the voltage. I run 24/7 A 1.65 in bios and have since last October with my 6600.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/IMG_2973a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/IMG_2972a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/IMG_3021a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/IMG_3126.jpg

Due to the design of my liquid cooler my case is pumped full of good cooling air that wicks the heat right away from my components. My Northbridge and Southbridge are cold to the touch. The heatspreaders on my G.skill memory are cold to the touch. I don't mean luke warm, I mean cold.

So for many of you that can you are just going to have to turn up the VOLTS.
Watch the temps and quit torturing your equipment for days with Orthos!!
How ridiculous. And don't run it for hours on full load with Intel's TAT. Mine runs 24/7 folding on one processor and I reboot it everyday when I walk in the door from work as I do all my systems unless they are in the middle of a rendering project. I use the other core for gaming and video processing. And I always have tunes playing in the background. My system has never become unstable while doing anything except once. I put on the 18XX bios and thought it might be curtains for my system So I used EZ flash and went back to 1707 and I am staying there til the Heavens open and tell me why I should move forward.

WZ

[lawrywild]

Anyone running 4GB ram with Vista 32bit?

How much ram can Vista see on this board? Does PAE work and enable all 4GB?

[yobi]

4x1 gb .

Only 64bit system see 4 & more memory

[infrared]

4x1 gb .

Only 64bit system see 4 & more memory

with the PAE flag added to boot.ini, it enables "36bit" memory addressing, which is enough to see the whole 4gb's. ;)

[elyrly]

quick question how do i change the dividers on the memory to 1:1?

thanks

[m0da]

well you look at what FSB speed you have (i.e. 400), we'll call this sFSB
double that value, so it will become 2xsFSB (i.e. 800)
look for "DDR-2xsFSB" (i.e. DDR-800) on the option in bios under FSB speed.

[gritty]

Found what was causing Pioneer DVD not working properly. Bad cable, even though it was brand new. Replaced cable and all working fine now.

Still have not found solution for sata question: My external sata conection does not appear to be functional. The sata port Raid 1 (upper left on mb next to rear panel connectors) works fine. Sata port Raid 1 shows drive in Explorer, but nothing shows up for the rear outlet esata port. Both are on the JMicron controller and it is enabled and set to Basic in the bios. Should not both be working with this setting? Is there something else I have to do.

Also, how do you remove the sata drive as hot swap. A USB shows an icon in the tray and when you click on it it asks which USB item you want to close. I don't see anything anywhere for closing down a sata drive. Do you do tis through Device Manager and use the disable function? Not the uninstall, right?

Any help please. Thank you.

[DutchBBQ]

Anyone tried BIOS 2001?

http://mapesh-online.de/P5W-DH-2001.zip

[DutchBBQ]

You've recently changed your recommended BIOS 1901 into version 1602.
Please explain why.

[Zeus]

Anyone tried BIOS 2001?

http://mapesh-online.de/P5W-DH-2001.zip

Read back a few pages. :slapass:

[DutchBBQ]

Read back a few pages. :slapass:

Oops, sorry!

[Phoenix_TT]

Anyone else experience "a not very loud" sound output using the onboard realtek sound card ? I'm using the latest drivers, R1.57. The output is plugged into a monitor with built in speakers. Windows volume is at max and so is the monitors speaker volume. The audio lead is plugged into the green socket.

[scaramonga]

Yeah.......sound has always been low for some reason?........all at MAX here :confused:

[infrared]

Hmm, i've never had any probs with the onboard sound. The volume and sound quality is very good imo.

[mikepaul]

Yeah.......sound has always been low for some reason?........all at MAX here :confused:

Hmm, i've never had any probs with the onboard sound. The volume and sound quality is very good imo.

Volume is in the ear of the behearer.

I'm not fond of the sound levels, but I'm not going to put a PCI soundcard in just yet, in case the onboard drivers fix it eventually...

[cherrypik]

I have updated to the most current ethernet driver and still get booted after an hour of online gaming. Can overclocking cause this? I know for sure it's not my cable co. or route

[BenchZowner]

I have updated to the most current ethernet driver and still get booted after an hour of online gaming. Can overclocking cause this? I know for sure it's not my cable co. or route

You're not giving us a lot information, actually you're not giving us any information at all :(

Which router are you using ?
Are you hard-setting the IP or using the routers' DHCP Server ? [ might be the DHCP IP lease setting causing this ]

[infrared]

In regards to overclocking possibly causing your problems, if your computer is stable enough to play the game in the first place, it's probably not going to be the cpu or ram. It could be the PCI frequency though. What have you got the pci lock set at? It should be at 100mhz, anything over 115mhz and most things like sata and graphics go nuts.

Like BenchZowner said though, not enough information! :p

[Brian y.]

I have two of these boards and have been having some issues which I believe involve the mobo having some sort of FSB wall.

I can keep both of my E6600's @ 3.6Ghz (1.41v & 1.48v) running 24/7 folding on both cores. I have had each board up to 4GHz for benching purposes.....

Under DICE I have hit the same clocks!!!It is as if there is no difference at all. I can not go above 440~445 w/ either mobo or chip.

But when I stuck in a Pentium 640 & Pentium D 805 in I was able to hit 5GHz w/ no problems at all.

Just want to confirm that there really is some type of FSB limitation w/ the P5W
and it is not the CPU.

Any help greatly appreciated:)

[cherrypik]

I do have it set at 100mhz. Below are my computer specs:

Corsair 520
E6600 @ 3001
P5w DH Deluxe
WD 250 SATA
EVGA 7800Gt
X-Fi Fatality
Liteon Combo litescribe
Pioneer DVD
Vista Home Premium

[nicepun]

I have two of these boards and have been having some issues which I believe involve the mobo having some sort of FSB wall.

I can keep both of my E6600's @ 3.6Ghz (1.41v & 1.48v) running 24/7 folding on both cores. I have had each board up to 4GHz for benching purposes.....

Under DICE I have hit the same clocks!!!It is as if there is no difference at all. I can not go above 440~445 w/ either mobo or chip.

But when I stuck in a Pentium 640 & Pentium D 805 in I was able to hit 5GHz w/ no problems at all.

Just want to confirm that there really is some type of FSB limitation w/ the P5W
and it is not the CPU.

Any help greatly appreciated:)

On average it's 440-450 FSB Wall!!! If you want to go higher cooling the NB and voltmodding comes in.

[BenchZowner]

I do have it set at 100mhz. Below are my computer specs:

Corsair 520
E6600 @ 3001
P5w DH Deluxe
WD 250 SATA
EVGA 7800Gt
X-Fi Fatality
Liteon Combo litescribe
Pioneer DVD
Vista Home Premium

erm...router model ???
using DHCP to obtain IP ?

[cherrypik]

erm...router model ???
using DHCP to obtain IP ?
Wireless Linksys G
I have to check regarding DHCP but I did not have problems with my ECS board.

[doggy]

hello eveybidy first time poster. and im desperate
asus psw dh deluxe
asus 8800gts
2 gb ocz ram
320 seagate barracuda
pioneer 112
pioneer111
bios updated 1901
xp sp2 updated
after reformating with 2 dvd drives connected everything looks fine. untill i insert a disc.
ive tried setting one to master and one to slave. ive also tried both set to cable select.

clicking on the dvd icons shows no problems until you load a disc. any disc, cd audio or dvd movie.

as soon as i load a disc and click on an icon the pc hangs. the second i eject the disc the pc springs back to life.

so i removed the dvd drives and fitted two crappy old cd roms. one set to master and one set to slave. i put an audio cd in and it played right away. i tried both cd roms and both worked fine.

so im thinking "is this a pioneer problem?" i removed the 2 crappy cd roms and replaced them with a lite on dvd writer and an aopen dvd player, set to master and slave. i stuck a cd in and the pc froze again. i replaced that with a dvd and the same again.

ive replaced the ide cable 6 times. 3 forty ribbons, 3 80 ribbons.
ive tried it with one dvd drive connected, ive tried the drive set to master, slave and cable select. and ive tried it on both cable connectors.

ive reformatted 4 times with different xp's and they have been fully updated.

so now im thinking why is it only playing up with dvd drives?
i dont know what to try now. could it be a faulty mobo all along?
cheers

[jeffy]

Volume is in the ear of the behearer.

I'm not fond of the sound levels, but I'm not going to put a PCI soundcard in just yet, in case the onboard drivers fix it eventually...
Have you noticed small Dolby icons at the bottom of the Realtek application? These settings do affect the loudness of playback and are also responsible for a small, but not exactly negligible (up to 3%) CPU utilization even when doing nothing.

[markq4xprt]

hi guys anyone of you have same setup as mine?


Hec 550
Asus p5W DH
E4300
2x1g Team Dark mems from team group
palit x1600pro golden edition
1x sataII 320g WD
1x ide 320g WD
4x 250g WD
1x 80g seagate
1x 80g ibm deskstar

on cooling i have three to choose
tuniq tower 120 + delta triblade high cfm
Big typhoon + delta triblade high cfm
Thermalright ultra 120 + delta triblade high cfm <- im currently using

what is the best bios for my set up
-----------------------------------

is my temp sensor deffective on TAT my temps on both cores 39/40

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type Winbond W83627DHG (ISA 290h)
Motherboard Name Asus P5W DH
Chassis Intrusion Detected No

Temperatures
Motherboard 31 °C (88 °F)
CPU 24 °C (75 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 24 °C (75 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 24 °C (75 °F)


Cooling Fans
Power Supply #2 3409 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.34 V
+3.3 V 3.30 V
+5 V 5.09 V
+12 V 12.20 V
+5 V Standby 4.95 V

[OneyedK]

is my temp sensor deffective on TAT my temps on both cores 39/40

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type Winbond W83627DHG (ISA 290h)
Motherboard Name Asus P5W DH

Sensor Type should be Winbond W83627EHG, maybe that's why your temps are off...

[markq4xprt]

Sensor Type should be Winbond W83627EHG, maybe that's why your temps are off...


what should i do?

[markq4xprt]

but isnt it this one?

i found out on the board
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/995/dsc00433ro8.jpg



my setup

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2366/dsc00434rj9.jpg

[markq4xprt]

where is the motherboard temperature located?

[LivingL@rGe81]

where is the motherboard temperature located?

On the SB as it says in the first post mate! :p:

I wanted to know is it worth upgrading the cooling on the SB? Will it boost stability at high FSB's?

[markq4xprt]

On the SB as it says in the first post mate! :p:

I wanted to know is it worth upgrading the cooling on the SB? Will it boost stability at high FSB's?


where is the temp diode/probe exactly on the board, is it inside the south bridge?

how about the north bridge temp?


dont know since im just a newbie on intel though i have hr05-sli on south

[BarneyBadAss]

ASUS P5W DH Deluxe issues

So here's the deal,

I built a pc using the P5W DH Deluxe MoBo.

No issues there but from time to time it looses it's brains and won't Boot. It starts the boot then gets a "NTLDR not found msg".

So, we crawl into the BIOS and we find the drives have been swapped!

The HD config is:

2xWD1500AFAD's in RAID 1 on the intel SATA's 1 & 2 (mislabeled as 3)

2xWD5000KS in RAID 1 on an Adaptec PCI CTLR.

Anyone have any ideas?

The BIOS is at 1707 BTW.. happend at earlier bios levels also

TIA

[BenchZowner]

Wireless Linksys G
I have to check regarding DHCP but I did not have problems with my ECS board.

Just go to Start -> Control Panel -> Network Connections and doubleclick on your Network Connections' icon.
Check out the "Support" tab, if "Address Type" says "Assigned by DHCP" then you're using your router's DHCP Server ( perhaps the DHCP IP Lease is 1 hour, so it might be releasing the IP every hour ).

If you're using DHCP, try setting the IPs manually, and check if your issue insists.

[shahar07]

i need your help to do bios updrade for the first time, i an using win Vista
i shoude id do it ?

[bichi]

FYI:

P5WDH Motherboard Temperature Sensor location - (circled in red)
- isolated with chilled-air spray
- temp sensor is NOT located inside southbridge, but is in close proximity

[markq4xprt]

FYI:

P5WDH Motherboard Temperature Sensor location - (circled in red)
- isolated with chilled-air spray


many many thanks for that :D

[bichi]

FYI: - P5WDH

4 Gig RAM installed and effect on XP SP2 (most likely with Vista 32b as well)
- BIOS Memory Remap = disabled
- XP SP2 reports 3.1gB
- lots of info on the 'net about PAE, memory addressing limitations with 32b based OS

Boot.ini I use to set limit memory use to 3.07gB

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /MAXMEM:3072

Boot.ini Switches:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721

BIOS Setting:

[bichi]

FYI: - P5WDH

4 Gig RAM installed and effect on Vista 64b, and BIOS settings:
- all 4 gigs detected and used

[cherrypik]

Just go to Start -> Control Panel -> Network Connections and doubleclick on your Network Connections' icon.
Check out the "Support" tab, if "Address Type" says "Assigned by DHCP" then you're using your router's DHCP Server ( perhaps the DHCP IP Lease is 1 hour, so it might be releasing the IP every hour ).

If you're using DHCP, try setting the IPs manually, and check if your issue insists.

Thanks!
It is DHCP. I have it set at 0 in my router config. I'll try setting it up manually.

[Phoenix_TT]

I'm looking at getting a Thermalright HR-05-SLI, Northbridge SLI Heatsink to improve the cooling for the NB and a HR-05, Northbridge Heatsink for the SB.

On this board the NB heatsink is connected to another heatsink cooling some chips behind the CPU, what chips are these, how can I replace the heatsinks on these and with what ?

I also have a Thermalright Ultra-120, CPU Heatpipe Heatsink, so does anybody else have this and a HR-05-SLI ? i.e will it fit ?

[markq4xprt]

I'm looking at getting a Thermalright HR-05-SLI, Northbridge SLI Heatsink to improve the cooling for the NB and a HR-05, Northbridge Heatsink for the SB.

On this board the NB heatsink is connected to another heatsink cooling some chips behind the CPU, what chips are these, how can I replace the heatsinks on these and with what ?

I also have a Thermalright Ultra-120, CPU Heatpipe Heatsink, so does anybody else have this and a HR-05-SLI ? i.e will it fit ?


---
yes it will but it will be too close on your video card

my tuniq just arrived :woot:

goodbye ultra 120 ;)

[marijtje]

i need your help to do bios updrade for the first time, i an using win Vista
i shoude id do it ?
If you never upgraded your BIOS before, it is better to read your motherboard manual, there it will tell you how to do it. There is a very easy to use tool: the AsusUpdate. This program is on your Asus disc. But again, read a lot before you try.
It is better you look for another forum to help you out if you want step-by-step advice. This forum will not help you on any issue that can be classified as "beginners stuff", you will be ignored.

Good luck,

Johanna

[cuke2u]

Hi, my replacement motherboard has been shipped by OC, can't complain about that turn around. I wonder what rev. it will be as my old one was 1.02...
ChrisC

[FabricioGS]

You've recently changed your recommended BIOS 1901 into version 1602.
Please explain why.

I second that. Why??? :stick:

[crazyea]

I second that. Why??? :stick:


I was wondering as well......

[scaramonga]

You've recently changed your recommended BIOS 1901 into version 1602.Please explain why.

Simple I would guess..........1901 is s h ! t and has no improvements over any version above 1506 really?

But some feel they must flash when they see new 'numbers' LOL ;)

[Sir Lancelot]

:D FYI: - P5WDH

4 Gig RAM installed and effect on XP SP2 (most likely with Vista 32b as well)
- BIOS Memory Remap = disabled
- XP SP2 reports 3.1gB
- lots of info on the 'net about PAE, memory addressing limitations with 32b based OS

Boot.ini I use to set limit memory use to 3.07gB

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOW S
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /MAXMEM:3072

Boot.ini Switches:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721

BIOS Setting:


And how does it overclock with the 4 dimms?? :D

[infrared]

The board seems to max out about 30mhz lower than with 2 dimms installed :)

A little more vmch fixes this ;)

[catscit]

The board seems to max out about 30mhz lower than with 2 dimms installed :)

A little more vmch fixes this ;)

I've been using 4 dimms from the start and see no difference between 2 and 4 dimms while overclocking. But my cpu isn't very good, only 3.8 max on e6700.
My qx6700 should arrive within 7 days and i'll test on the p5w dh, but will probably swap to commando.

3.6 on the e6700 with p5w dh 100% stable 24/7 (i do bf2 a lot!)

[shaithis]

Simple I would guess..........1901 is s h ! t and has no improvements over any version above 1506 really?

But some feel they must flash when they see new 'numbers' LOL ;)


Well, 1901 supports the 1333 bootstrap according to Asus.....I wouldn't call that "no improvements"

[lawrywild]

1901 isn't crap, and I don't know why people have problems with it..

But since everyone seems to blame me for flashing to 1901 because I apparently made them flash to 1901 (f off out of my thread if you think that was my fault tbh)

1602 is official, didn't have problems so I just put that..

[infrared]

But since everyone seems to blame me for flashing to 1901 because I apparently made them flash to 1901 (f off out of my thread if you think that was my fault tbh)

D**n right. It's completely up to the individuals to follow your advice or not. Even if i killed my motherboard while following your advice i wouldn't be angry with you, because at the end of the day i would have been the one that did it.

Some people should really grow up and stop blaming others for their f'k-ups.

1902 is fine, and it is still possible to backflash to a previous one, so everyone should stop whining and get on with it! :slapass:

EDIT:

If anything, people should be thanking you lawrywild, for this excellent resource you've provided to all of us!

So thanks! :)

[cuke2u]

Hi, I support you there lawrywild, people seem to b**ch and moan about something THEY did to there MB. I'm using 2001, BTW, and like the previous ones I have no issues with it...
ChrisC

[crazyea]

I tried 1601, 1701, 1801, 1901.

1901 is the only bios for me, that has allowed 400fsb 1:1 orthos stable for 8 hours on both cpu stress and mem stress. So I'm staying with it. If my computer blows up in then next 5 mins, there is no one to blame but myself. As always o/c at you own risk not Lawry's.

[crazyea]

BTW, for reference, the others dropped out after only 6 mins.

[FabricioGS]

1901 seems very stable for me too. Don´t know why all that complains.

[BenchZowner]

1901 seems very stable for me too. Don´t know why all that complains.

No offense meant :)

Some issues...

1) Locked upwards multipliers ( ratios ) with Extreme Edition CPUs. Why did I buy a E.E. CPU dear Asus ? Because I want/needed the upwards multipliers maybe ? :P

2) Flashing back to another BIOS version can only be done successfully with AFUDOS v2.11 &/or AFUDOS v2.17 only.

3) No real change, like adding tRD & tRFC...

Have more stuff, but I consider posting all these stuff a waste of time ;)

[jeffy]

No offense meant :)

Some issues...

1) Locked upwards multipliers ( ratios ) with Extreme Edition CPUs. Why did I buy a E.E. CPU dear Asus ? Because I want/needed the upwards multipliers maybe ? :P

2) Flashing back to another BIOS version can only be done successfully with AFUDOS v2.11 &/or AFUDOS v2.17 only.

3) No real change, like adding tRD & tRFC...

Have more stuff, but I consider posting all these stuff a waste of time ;)

Has anyone of you unable to use EE multipliers complained to Asus? Have you written about tRD, tRFC or even AFUDOS issues? Thank you for sharing your experience.

Contacts:
http://www.asus.com/aboutasus.aspx?show=3

[Psitech]

1901 was the worst bios to date for me. I'm content with 1707 for now. I'm with BenchZowner in wishing that Asus would actually listen to it's customers regarding this board. It's totally absurd that they can't/won't fix the upward multi's and add trd and trfc.

I wish I'd known that I wouldn't be able to see my ram's full potential with this board before I bought it. I would have either bought cheaper ram or most likely bought a different board. It's silly that a simple fix in the bios could fix this, but I guess Asus doesn't have time for their customers.

I can make them one promise. If this is never fixed, my next board will certainly not be an asus.

[BenchZowner]

Has anyone of you unable to use EE multipliers complained to Asus? Have you written about tRD, tRFC or even AFUDOS issues? Thank you for sharing your experience.

Contacts:
http://www.asus.com/aboutasus.aspx?show=3

Several times...me , and other people as well.

By the way...we went through this (http://www.benchzone.com/page.php?al=asustek_evaluation)...they've been informed about this, and they showed us that they don't give a flying f*ck.

They just like releasing several boards ( with most of them being almost the same ) and after a month or two, abandon the 'real BIOS enhancement' and release...virtually new BIOSes.

Bad thing is...that there are no serious boards from the competition...gigabyte ? lol :D
MSI ? jesus!
Only Abit can do something, and I'd really like to see the IN9-32X Max being better than my Striker, so I can be a happy overclocker again!
The Abit is in the way to my house, so I'll find out soon :)

[jeffy]

Well, it might sound ridiculous at first.

But I will ask anyway:
has anyone of you dissatisfied with Asus customer support, their handling issues in BIOS, their ignorance etc. tried contacting a hardware review web site like http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.anandtech.com
http://www.techreport.com

and have them ask Asustek WHY do they do it and what are they WILLING to do for their customers' satisfaction? I think EVGA RMA case (search XS forums) shown something serious, if they don't want to listen... then the truth will come out and might cost them much more than a single customer. I own some of their boards (4, P5W DH Deluxe is one of them) and if this is not resolved, they have lost another customer. Why should you buy another P5B x-th revision, when they cannot fix an expensive one that you already have?

Thank you for sharing your opinions.

[Bail_w]

Well back to S939, DFI was a great competitor but now its all about Asus for core 2 duo. Anyway, I just hate that my ram can do 530 FSB 1:1 100% but it can barely do 435 FSB on the P5W.

[infrared]

^Nothing to do with your ram, it's the i975 northbridge that's holding it back, since they usually max out around that figure. You could still run your ram that quick using a divider, but obviously that would reduce performance considerably.

Can you increase the vmch anymore? Or if you're good at soldering you can have a go at the voltmods, the board responds very well to a little more voltage. My old one managed 480mhz fsb on 1.95v (real volts, not bios) :)

[cuke2u]

Hi, well after some exhaustive checks I can now state that my motherboard issues was down to a poorly made AC HSF not fully seating upon one of my CPU cores, and not down to any design flaws in the motherboard....
ChrisC

[infrared]

Just got my board voltmodded, but i'm running into a few probs already.

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)

Now i've got it set at 1.780v atm, 465mhz fsb is stable, but if i push the voltage any higher, it will freeze instantly. Is this some kind of OVP? If so, can it be dissabled? I had my old board to over 2v without probs.

[BenchZowner]

Just got my board voltmodded, but i'm running into a few probs already.

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)

Now i've got it set at 1.780v atm, 465mhz fsb is stable, but if i push the voltage any higher, it will freeze instantly. Is this some kind of OVP? If so, can it be dissabled? I had my old board to over 2v without probs.

Are you sure that you're reading the Vmch from the right point ? [ no offense ofcourse! :) ]
My P5Ws ( DH ) are quite on spot @ Vmch.

OVP should kick in after 2.05Vmch , not at 1.75V :D

[infrared]

Hmm, i think i'm measuring the right point. The right leg on the fet closest to the rt9214 chip right?

[crazyea]

Ok, I'm not an Asus fanboy, my mb was the only available one at the store at the time of my purchase (don't like to wait, lol).

Anyway. I'm kind of tired of hearing everyone say. Asus better fix this, asus better fix that blah blah blah. 1601, 1701, 1801, etc etc.

If you have one of those bios and they work well for you, why should asus release a higher numbered bios to make you happy? There is no need.

This board was made to support 266 fsb, and now 333 officially as of 1901. period. Mine can do 400 stable. But there is not a guarantee for anything above 333. It was market as a DH motherboard, not an ROG. The main memory timings are there. When you go above 369 on mine SPD must be enabled. That is there for a reason I guess. For stability?

Anyway, as far as I know most, if not everyone, has a bios that works. All of this, I will never use Asus again nonsense is a joke. Next time do research and then by with the knowledge of knowing what you are getting and don't blame you lack of insight on the manufacturer.

/end rant.

[infrared]

^no one's complained for a couple of pages lol

[BenchZowner]

Ok, I'm not an Asus fanboy, my mb was the only available one at the store at the time of my purchase (don't like to wait, lol).

Anyway. I'm kind of tired of hearing everyone say. Asus better fix this, asus better fix that blah blah blah. 1601, 1701, 1801, etc etc.

If you have one of those bios and they work well for you, why should asus release a higher numbered bios to make you happy? There is no need.

This board was made to support 266 fsb, and now 333 officially as of 1901. period. Mine can do 400 stable. But there is not a guarantee for anything above 333. It was market as a DH motherboard, not an ROG. The main memory timings are there. When you go above 369 on mine SPD must be enabled. That is there for a reason I guess. For stability?

Anyway, as far as I know most, if not everyone, has a bios that works. All of this, I will never use Asus again nonsense is a joke. Next time do research and then by with the knowledge of knowing what you are getting and don't blame you lack of insight on the manufacturer.

/end rant.

Edit: I didn't see the word "not" initially :D
You're saying that you're not a fanboy, but you're acting like a fanboy...

Fanboyism...
Have you ever thought of the bad things that come with fanboyism ? Guess not...

By the way, since most of the issues are BIOS related, and a motherboard manufacturer SHOULD fix their BIOS issues, addressing them with new BIOS releases, most ( if not all ) of these bugs should've been fixed already.

As for the RAM Timings & SPD...dude come on, is that your best ?
The SPD is not there for the reason that you think it is.
And this can't even get considered as an excuse for not including tRD & tRFC.
Also...if you like it that way, there are major FSB:DRAM ratios ( RAM "Dividers" ) that don't work on various occasions ( when they should be working ) and sometimes not all.

Closing this funny rant of yours, how 'bout the locked multipliers on Extreme Edition CPUs ?

Get serious...

Friendly,
BZ

[crazyea]

All of what I hear from you is whining.

If the multis worked on EE's @ 1601, what is the reason you upgraded? IF it aint broke, don't fix it.

As far as I'm concerned the reasons posted against ASUS in here are nonsense as the board works the way it was advertised. IT is on you if you didn't research the board, not ASUS.

[infrared]

If you have a problem with this thread, do us a favor and clear off! This thread is designed for people to give each other advice on how to overcome the problems. And yes, there ARE problems. If you're happy with your board then great! I'm happy for you.

[crazyea]

If you have a problem with this thread, do us a favor and clear off!

Actually there is a wealth of knowledge in this thread. I just think it's silly threatening not to buy another board because of things that happen when using a board out of spec.

It's like telling your gf your gonna leave her if she doesn't stop :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing, but then you never do. :

[infrared]

ok, i'll agree with you there, it is quite amusing when people say that :)

But if Asus don't start taking notice of thier customers, they will undoubtedly begin to loose customers. It's not so much the product they've produced, but also the customer service, and after-sales support that's getting frustrating.

This board sure does own for memory bandwidth though!!

http://img.techpowerup.org/070308/Capture035.png

[mikepaul]

But if Asus don't start taking notice of thier customers, they will undoubtedly begin to loose customers. It's not so much the product they've produced, but also the customer service, and after-sales support that's getting frustrating.
My last ASUS P3V4X didn't need a lot of attention. It did my PIII stuff just fine, and I never really bothered ASUS about it. I guess that's their 'consumer'-type board.

The P5W DH seems like an 'enthusiast' board, and it probably brings ASUS no end of headaches. So much so that they grow weary of complaints and move on to other boards in hope the complainers find one that works and shut up.

I know I'm in trouble trying to beat my enthusiast board into consumer-like submission, but it would help if just once ASUS had actually responded to my vMCH-related question like they did when I needed a BIOS update. This isn't encouraging me to stick with ASUS, but hasn't driven me away yet either...

[cuke2u]

hi, thing is, and we all know this will happen because it has so in the past. Asus will move on to newer motherboards and stop producing any bios updates at all. Look at the A8R32-MVP for example, a good motherboard, on paper, last bios update was in sept, and it took them a while to get any decent performance because of the issues it had out of the box, but it is still crocked...

Anyway, by that time I'm sure we will have moved on...
ChrisC

[Liquid3D]

Asus/Gigabyte sells hundreds of thousands of motherboards annually. The number of software writers/engineers they have for updating BIOS versions for specific board must be based on populartity. Since we as Enthusiasts only account for an approximate 9% of company profits in motherboards (1% when you consider other products) it's not in Asus's best interest to conitnually update a BIOS for a board entering it's second year of production yet they have been and we should be grateful.

In fact they don't sell anything by improviing what you already paid for especially when they have already met and far surpassed the original specs and their obligations. When you consider your overcloking as high as 420 ~ 450FSB where prior to the Conroe, 300FSB was difficult with voltmodding, those of us complaining (and I am guilty of this myself) are not exactly poster-boys for gratitude.

I'm not saying as consumers we don't deserve service and as loyal repeat custmoers we don't deserve great service, but this is a company just like every other who most likely has no idea if you purchased three Asus boards every year for the last ten years, or this is your first. Why should your email be so important that someone should stop what their doing and begin writing BIOS for you or ME?

Point is the nature of this business is profits based on bulk, and if we are discontented with this think of how it would be to loose Asus right now? Even DFI is starting to fall behind in their "overclockability" . I ran out to get the NF590 for an Opteron 1212 and couldn;t gte the DFI to run the chip beyond 300FSB without pushing Vcore inotit, then Asus releases the 903 BIOS and I'm now running 320FSB like butta with absolutely no Vcore increase.

If your looking for an obsessive hobby which is highly technical and very DIY, try High End Audio. In that hobby you would have to purchase at least 25K in total hardware just to get into a mid level system, but you still wouldn't get the customer servce some are expecting on a $200 mobo. In Audiophile terms you would have to build a system around a 30k Loth X Silbatone Jl 300B (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0502/silbatoneji300b.htm) integrated single ended power amp to get decent customer service and the respect of those who consider themselves knowledgeable (like some of the less humble on forums over the world).

If you were to compare the performance of our Asus P5W DH in the desktop DIY world to a power amplifier in the Audiophile world we would be the proud owners of a Wavac TH388 (http://www.audioacoustics.co.uk/wavac/power%20amp/wavacsh-833.html) (monoblocs) using direct heated single ended 388-triode tubes (http://www.wavac-audio.jp/sh833_e.html). That will get you the service you want, of course this amplifier costs $350,000 for the monobloc pair and you don't get a suitecase like Tagan gives you with their 1KW PSU. Hell you can buy an Aston Martin for this much money and with the limited number of cars they make you would get better customer service there too.

Some say one of the best sounding tube amps on the planet (below).

http://www.wavac-audio.jp/pics/SH-833.jpg

http://www.chronoscape.net/images/misc/704wavac.2.jpg

Some say one of the best performing motherboards in the world (below),

Hope this puts it in some kind of perspective.....(:

http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2006/07/07/21554.jpg

[pH(x)]

1901 was the worst bios to date for me. I'm content with 1707 for now. I'm with BenchZowner in wishing that Asus would actually listen to it's customers regarding this board. It's totally absurd that they can't/won't fix the upward multi's and add trd and trfc.

I wish I'd known that I wouldn't be able to see my ram's full potential with this board before I bought it. I would have either bought cheaper ram or most likely bought a different board. It's silly that a simple fix in the bios could fix this, but I guess Asus doesn't have time for their customers.

I can make them one promise. If this is never fixed, my next board will certainly not be an asus.
Cheaper RAM?

I just bought and installed DDR 1066 for my P5W DH DLX and E6600 :eek:

[caater]

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)


nothing wrong with voltages, you are using to cheap dmm and measuring from a wrong place for a cheap dmm ;)

try these points:

http://alpha.frontier86.ee/~markku/975/vmch.jpg

[OneyedK]

If your looking for an obsessive hobby which is highly technical and very DIY, try High End Audio. In that hobby you would have to purchase at least 25K in total hardware just to get into a mid level system, but you still wouldn't get the customer servce some are expecting on a $200 mobo. In Audiophile terms you would have to build a system around a 30k Loth X Silbatone Jl 300B (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0502/silbatoneji300b.htm) integrated single ended power amp to get decent customer service and the respect of those who consider themselves knowledgeable (like some of the less humble on forums over the world).

If you were to compare the performance of our Asus P5W DH in the desktop DIY world to a power amplifier in the Audiophile world we would be the proud owners of a Wavac TH388 (http://www.audioacoustics.co.uk/wavac/power%20amp/wavacsh-833.html) (monoblocs) using direct heated single ended 388-triode tubes (http://www.wavac-audio.jp/sh833_e.html). That will get you the service you want, of course this amplifier costs $350,000 for the monobloc pair and you don't get a suitecase like Tagan gives you with their 1KW PSU. Hell you can buy an Aston Martin for this much money and with the limited number of cars they make you would get better customer service there too.

:cool: Strange comparison...
If I build a SE mono or integrated, I start with picking the transformers, mostly Lundahl (http://www.lundahl.se/). If I have a question, I mail of call them. And yes, they give answers and they offer sollutions.
As you know, a transformer is about the same price as a high end motherboard.
As most tubes are manufactured in China, Russia and the Slovak Republic, I try to get information about them too... JJ Electronics promptly replies, but all the others only blah commercial BS.
So I have a choice, I can take a lesser tubes with more support, or better tubes with no support at all...

Try contacting any motherboard manufacturer and you know they just don't answer. Or yes, they answer, but only blah and BS.

I also have a Musical Fidelity A3.1 integrated (cost about the same as a decent Conroe system). I asked the for measurement points and alignment procedures and guess what... They simply send it over...

Basically we are screwed, we will buy what we think is best and we should keep in mind that those motherboard manufacturers simply laugh at us and fill their pockets. It pisses me off, but it doesn't prevent me enjoying the P5W DH previously and now the P5WDG2 WS Pro;)

[jeffy]

@liquid3d:
(no flaming, but please, get things straight)

They released the board around $400, Striker Extreme
Yet you should have a look at its list of BIOS fixes, section BIOS:
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074)
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=Striker%20Extreme

Would you buy a car/washing machine/TV/whatever with major problems?
Imagine this:
- a car won't slow down... BANG!!!
- a washing machine won't stop and won't set the temperature right - let's just throw the clothes away and pull the plug off the wall outlet!
- a TV will suddenly start shaking the picture up and down, yeah, I will watch it anyway :rofl:

Then why should you accept a premium priced board with so many bugs UNFIXED even at the time of release? When there are flaws, I expect ASUS to fix them with BIOS fixes. Are we just paying beta testers or what?

@crazyea
P5W DH Deluxe:
page 4-24 in manual: they are clearly speaking about manual adjustments with unlocked CPUs, aren't they? Why they removed them and why they in fact disabled your chance for taking the advantage of a $1000 worth CPU you paid for?

[nickfd]

Cheaper RAM?

I just bought and installed DDR 1066 for my P5W DH DLX and E6600 :eek:

Try actually using 1066mhz with your memory with any divider. You'll be in for a bit of a surprise. :)

Closest I've gotten was 950mhz with 4:5 ratio (380mhz cpu fsb).

[infrared]

nothing wrong with voltages, you are using to cheap dmm and measuring from a wrong place for a cheap dmm ;)

try these points:

http://alpha.frontier86.ee/~markku/975/vmch.jpg


lol, it's definatly not a 'cheap' dmm, but all the same, i was measuring from the wrong points. Thanks a lot caater :)

[Lt_JWS]

Ok, im having some trouble... Im getting random BSoD, Vista error reporting says its "CPU related" I switched out my Micron D9 ram for some non micro chips and it seems to have helped some... I mainly get BSoD when running dual prime / dual F@H, im prime stable for 6hrs + any ideas on what it could be? Im almost ready to replace the board with something different :( Also please dont just post around me this time..................

[caater]

lol, it's definatly not a 'cheap' dmm, but all the same, i was measuring from the wrong points. Thanks a lot caater :)

ok, not cheap, but not a trueRMS one :)
and if you don't have a trueRMS dmm, then measure those points for AC, if there is any present, then find another spot.

[infrared]

Ahh, now i understand what you mean. Cheers :)

[yobi]

hello.

[Airjarhead]

I'm having problems with even mild overclocks, so I was hoping someone could tell me what settings to change.
I was able to do 9x350 @ 1.3375V with my E4300 and Gigabyte S-3 (Orthos stable 9+ Hrs), but I can't even get it stable for 1 min at 9x333 on the P5W no matter how many volts I throw at it (Vcore, FSB, MCH, ICH).

I created a thread with my BIOS screens here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=136875

Thanks.

[stratos2004]

Anybody have some problems with P5W DH rev 1.03g and XFX 8800GTX Rev 1.2 ????

[M3kk]

What kind of problem?

[deadlock7]

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?

Guys i'm looking for northbridge cooling and i considered if anyone used a cpu aircooler and make it fit there!:rolleyes:

[BenchZowner]

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?

Guys i'm looking for northbridge cooling and i considered if anyone used a cpu aircooler and make it fit there!:rolleyes:

ThermalRight HR-05 or Swiftech MCX-159CU.

Haven't tried a CPU Cooler, but most of them won't ( most likely ) [ and interfere with your CPU cooler ]

[stratos2004]

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?:rolleyes:

Yes but i have only this prob......:)

[lawrywild]

I prefer my Extreme Spirit II over both those :)

[Eastcoasthandle]

hello.

:welcome:

[deadlock7]

Yes but i have only this prob......:)

This is general problem with p5w+8800 series.I don't know if any of the new bios fixes it..;)

Thanks BenchZowner.I have these two on my mind and i prefer thermalright (although swiftech is cu).I wondered if someone managed to fit a cpu cooler,but i think that no one tried!:stick:

[LordX]

Hey all. I have BIOS 1901 installed, and have had this board since September. I have been through hours of overclocking experiments to see how fast I can get my e6700 but still have the system be STABLE. The stable part really adds the twist doesnt it? :mad:

Anyway, I can get the system to BOOT and run SUPERPI at 4.1GHZ (at a whopping 1.625 VCore), but as soon as I start dual prime, the system restarts (I beleive due to a temp thermal in the CPU).

I have noticed that if the CPU is hitting 60-62 (measured in coretemp while running dual prime95) for an extended period of time, it will restart. As with the 4.1GHZ start up, it went to 65-67 almost immediately, followed by an almost immediate restart, so it looks like my Computer will restart with temps at this level. This is odd to me, because I saw some people in this thread who have hit higher temps.

Is it normal to have the CPU thermal at this temp while under load?

Anyway, the hard part I have been playing with is getting the cpu enough volts, while keeping temps down. If the volts are too low, then one of the dual Prime95's gets an error and stops. If the volts are too high, it thermals.

Is this what you guys have run into as well? I have water cooling, and I thought it would do better. It sucks to know that if I had Phase cooling I would be running 4.1GHZ easy.

Anyway, I seem to have found a stable level at 3.76GHZ at 1.534 VCore (I know thats a lot). The temps hover at around 59C at full load, and it runs for like 6 hours no prob, which is fine with me because I cant imagine a time where I will ever have my CPU at 100% for six hours (I dont render 3d/video :P)

Also with the RAM, I can run it at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2 timings, and I can run it at 940MHZ (5:4) @ 4-4-4-4-2. I have found that each of these settings due to the timing difference between 3 and 4 yield almost IDENTICAL results in SuperPI.

So the Question is, which is easier on the Chipset? My guess would be keeping it at 1:1 @ 752MHZ @ 3-3-3. What do you guys think? Is one setting better for 3D games than the other?

Also, has anyone else hit this cooling/VCore battle and come out with some type of solution or hints? (Aside from getting phase cooling?)

My other settings are:
FSB Term Voltage = 1.4
MCH = 1.75
ICH = AUTO

I will attempt to lower these as well and test stability.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any info!

[LordX]

Hello again, just to answer my own question, running my ram at 940Mhz @ 4-4-4-4-2 was 15 points better on 3dMark06 than running the ram at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2.

ALSO, this is IMPORTANT for anyone who owns a 7950GX2: The most CURRENT drivers from nvidia's site are CRAP. I installed them and used their overclocking tool to set my card up to its previous OC, and I scored a 9055.

I installed my OLD drivers (91.47), ran the SAME test, and scored 10113!!!!!! Thats over ONE THOUSAND points better with a simple driver change. I dont know WHATS up with these new drivers, or whether it has something to do with the p5w (which I seriously doubt), but either way, get the old ones for your BEST performance.

:banana:

[megabit]

I'm having problems with the temps of my QX6700, as well. In fact, I had to revert from Scythe Ninja RevB to the stock cooler, which does much better! I RMA'd the Ninja, and will be giving next try when a new one arrives.

Anyway, for the 24/7 work, I'd like to keep the power savings setting in BIOS (SpeedStep, C1) so that the CPU only kicks when needed (right now it's working at some 1.14V and 1.8GHz, with fans almost stopped; when I do some HDV rendering it goes up to 3.10 GHz and the temps never exceed 75C). FSB at 310 MHz is the max I can get without increasing the Vcore from Auto (which is the only setting possible when using C1/SpeedStep). I have overclocked the RAM to some 466 MHz (5:5:5:18) at 2.20V (Geil DDR2-800). What I'd like to do is increase the FSB a bit higher, so that the overall system performance is better - if the CPU temps will get too high, I can go down with the multiplier to 9 or 8 (currently 10).

My questions:

1) which voltage settings (apart from RAM already at 2.20, and Vcore that I need to leave at Auto for the above reasons) should I change in order to assure stability with FSB = 333 or higher?

2) is it normal that Ai Booster shows Vmem higher that that entered in BIOS? When I want to run my Geil sticks at 466MHz 4:4:4:12, I need to enter 2.25V and then AiBooster shows zero (is if it was outside the range allowed, which worries me). With 2.20 in BIOS, AiBooster shows 2.30V (the max allowed by Geil). So, is it safe at 2.25V in the BIOS?

[nickfd]

This is general problem with p5w+8800 series.I don't know if any of the new bios fixes it..;)

Thanks BenchZowner.I have these two on my mind and i prefer thermalright (although swiftech is cu).I wondered if someone managed to fit a cpu cooler,but i think that no one tried!:stick:

Maybe a problem with the 8800 GTS and the board? I have never had any issues with my PNY 8800GTX for the life I've owned all equipment.

[nickfd]

Anyway, I can get the system to BOOT and run SUPERPI at 4.1GHZ (at a whopping 1.625 VCore), but as soon as I start dual prime, the system restarts (I beleive due to a temp thermal in the CPU).

I have noticed that if the CPU is hitting 60-62 (measured in coretemp while running dual prime95) for an extended period of time, it will restart. As with the 4.1GHZ start up, it went to 65-67 almost immediately, followed by an almost immediate restart, so it looks like my Computer will restart with temps at this level. This is odd to me, because I saw some people in this thread who have hit higher temps.

Is it normal to have the CPU thermal at this temp while under load?

I'm using a daily 1.61vcore and when I do my dual prime95's, I also see some heavy temperature increases as well. Normal idle is 46-50c, and normal 100% cpu load while rendering or gaming is 60-62c. When I prime95 my box, I'll get up to 70c. Because I know that we start to lose cpu life at 70c, I don't like to run it for very long. I'm like you though, when I am at an unstable setting, it'll reboot soon as it starts running.

Anyway, the hard part I have been playing with is getting the cpu enough volts, while keeping temps down. If the volts are too low, then one of the dual Prime95's gets an error and stops. If the volts are too high, it thermals.

nod.

Is this what you guys have run into as well? I have water cooling, and I thought it would do better. It sucks to know that if I had Phase cooling I would be running 4.1GHZ easy.

nod.

Anyway, I seem to have found a stable level at 3.76GHZ at 1.534 VCore (I know thats a lot). The temps hover at around 59C at full load, and it runs for like 6 hours no prob, which is fine with me because I cant imagine a time where I will ever have my CPU at 100% for six hours (I dont render 3d/video :P)

Also with the RAM, I can run it at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2 timings, and I can run it at 940MHZ (5:4) @ 4-4-4-4-2. I have found that each of these settings due to the timing difference between 3 and 4 yield almost IDENTICAL results in SuperPI.

So the Question is, which is easier on the Chipset? My guess would be keeping it at 1:1 @ 752MHZ @ 3-3-3. What do you guys think? Is one setting better for 3D games than the other?

1:1 yields better mathematical results in synthetic benchmarks, however as you found out in your 3dmark06 testing, 4:5 will give you better overall gaming results.

Also, has anyone else hit this cooling/VCore battle and come out with some type of solution or hints? (Aside from getting phase cooling?)

I have run into the same issue with water, and there isn't much we can do with active cooling that is limited by ambient temperatures. Phase is the best to get below zero, however peltier + water would be a good middleground as well.

Hello again, just to answer my own question, running my ram at 940Mhz @ 4-4-4-4-2 was 15 points better on 3dMark06 than running the ram at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2.

ALSO, this is IMPORTANT for anyone who owns a 7950GX2: The most CURRENT drivers from nvidia's site are CRAP. I installed them and used their overclocking tool to set my card up to its previous OC, and I scored a 9055.

I installed my OLD drivers (91.47), ran the SAME test, and scored 10113!!!!!! Thats over ONE THOUSAND points better with a simple driver change. I dont know WHATS up with these new drivers, or whether it has something to do with the p5w (which I seriously doubt), but either way, get the old ones for your BEST performance.

:banana:

Note that this is only on the g7* series of cards. I've been updating on the 8800 series drivers and continue to get added performance as I move up the revision levels in drivers as well as motherboard bios's.

[BenchZowner]

Maybe a problem with the 8800 GTS and the board? I have never had any issues with my PNY 8800GTX for the life I've owned all equipment.

Plug in any 8800GTX on a P5W DH Deluxe, and you'll get "laggy" BIOS ( during setup, etc ).
Try raising your FSB ( CPU Frequency according to asus :D ) fast, and you'll get the "laggy" BIOS issue.

[LordX]

however peltier + water would be a good middleground as well.

What is Peltier and where do I get it? Do I simply add this to the water in my reservior? How much?

Since I know nothing about it, is there another thread on these forums that you know that covers my basic questions?

[nickfd]

I'm having problems with the temps of my QX6700, as well. In fact, I had to revert from Scythe Ninja RevB to the stock cooler, which does much better! I RMA'd the Ninja, and will be giving next try when a new one arrives.

Anyway, for the 24/7 work, I'd like to keep the power savings setting in BIOS (SpeedStep, C1) so that the CPU only kicks when needed (right now it's working at some 1.14V and 1.8GHz, with fans almost stopped; when I do some HDV rendering it goes up to 3.10 GHz and the temps never exceed 75C). FSB at 310 MHz is the max I can get without increasing the Vcore from Auto (which is the only setting possible when using C1/SpeedStep). I have overclocked the RAM to some 466 MHz (5:5:5:18) at 2.20V (Geil DDR2-800). What I'd like to do is increase the FSB a bit higher, so that the overall system performance is better - if the CPU temps will get too high, I can go down with the multiplier to 9 or 8 (currently 10).

My questions:

1) which voltage settings (apart from RAM already at 2.20, and Vcore that I need to leave at Auto for the above reasons) should I change in order to assure stability with FSB = 333 or higher?

2) is it normal that Ai Booster shows Vmem higher that that entered in BIOS? When I want to run my Geil sticks at 466MHz 4:4:4:12, I need to enter 2.25V and then AiBooster shows zero (is if it was outside the range allowed, which worries me). With 2.20 in BIOS, AiBooster shows 2.30V (the max allowed by Geil). So, is it safe at 2.25V in the BIOS?

1) vmch = 1.65, vfsb = 1.20, and of course, and most importantly, vcore. Unfortunately you're going to have to get off the Auto vcore and find a comfortable voltage that will get you a stable clock without getting your temperature too high.

2) Don't use AIBooster. It's buggy, crap software. I know speedfan shows some, but can't recall if it shows vfsb as well.. Another poster will have to verify, or recommend a better program.

[nickfd]

Plug in any 8800GTX on a P5W DH Deluxe, and you'll get "laggy" BIOS ( during setup, etc ).
Try raising your FSB ( CPU Frequency according to asus :D ) fast, and you'll get the "laggy" BIOS issue.

Only place I'm "laggy" is on the fan screen in the bios. My FSB is @ 380.

[nickfd]

What is Peltier and where do I get it? Do I simply add this to the water in my reservior? How much?

Since I know nothing about it, is there another thread on these forums that you know that covers my basic questions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier_effect

Peltier cooling is also known as thermoelectric cooling, and its basically using electricity to create a hot and cold side of a plate. There have been kits coming out recently that use water to help cool the "hot-side" of the peltier, which increases efficiency of your "cold-side".

Prior to the watercooling of the "hot-side", people had been limited to pretty extensive active-air cooling, which, while was ok, was not the best way to get rid of the heat.

I believe that anandtech just recently reviewed a couple of boxed peltier coolers, but you may want to check their site to be sure.

It's much easier and much more space conscious to go peltier than phase, since it requires only electric conversion equipment + pump/reservoir if you're going to use water to evacuate the heat, vs phase, where you need.. Well, a lot. :) There's a whole thread section on this site you can look at for that.

[Haltech]

I took my P5W-DH down to the shooting range.. I put an end to all of the bs.

Im much happier with the Gigabyte 680i

[megabit]

1) vmch = 1.65, vfsb = 1.20, and of course, and most importantly, vcore. Unfortunately you're going to have to get off the Auto vcore and find a comfortable voltage that will get you a stable clock without getting your temperature too high.

2) Don't use AIBooster. It's buggy, crap software. I know speedfan shows some, but can't recall if it shows vfsb as well.. Another poster will have to verify, or recommend a better program.

Even with your suggested settings, 333 is no go with auto vCore! And I wanted to try increasing vCore, but I couldn't switch the C1E off (required); the only choice is Auto in BIOS 1901! Is it a known bug?

[lawrywild]

I took my P5W-DH down to the shooting range.. I put an end to all of the bs.

Im much happier with the Gigabyte 680i

You're back Haltech? :D