ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

[pancito]

why do u increase memory voltage, when u dont overclock it?

Normal DDR-2 is set to run at 1.8 stock. Some memory at 800mhz or more are set tu RUN at that speeds with 2.1 volts, ie my OCZ6400. So there is nothing wrong with upping the volts to manufacturer specs.

[rpr]

Yes the week 24 which is one of the first batch that came out as retail, needed a lot of vcore for staility. My first one needed 1.58v to get stable and about 6 other week 24's I had needed around 1.53-1.57v as well. You did good, atleast you isolated the problem to the point where you know it's the cpu that is what holding you back. My recommendation is to get a latest B batch E6600, they normally do very well with much lower vcore. As matter of fact the B batch is what got me interested in these Conroe again, frankly I was getting kinda bored.
CPUZ shows my E6600 as "Revision B2". Is that what you are referring to when you say "B" batch CPU?

[STaRGaZeR]

:nono:

I have a proble stuck in the MCH HS to get a reading.
@ 27C ambient 39 mch idle.
sparx

I´ve said that if you read the temps from de MB sensor. Obviusly using a probe will give you exact temps.

[NghtShd]

Has anyone tried cpu-z 1.38? I'm getting "An error occured when opening the driver."

[BenchZowner]

Has anyone tried cpu-z 1.38? I'm getting "An error occured when opening the driver."

There was an error in the first release.
Download the fixed version from CPUz's site now :)

[pancito]

2 Things

Anything new with BIOS 1602?

Why do you guys put PCI-E setting at 105Mhz?

Regards

[syne_24]

CPUZ shows my E6600 as "Revision B2". Is that what you are referring to when you say "B" batch CPU?


no if you look at your FPO Batch#, it will say something like L628B368. Where the older week will have an A there.

[scaramonga]

Why do you guys put PCI-E setting at 105Mhz?

I would guess that to probably make it look like this settings been tweaked......:rolleyes:

[NghtShd]

2 Things

Anything new with BIOS 1602?

Why do you guys put PCI-E setting at 105Mhz?

Regards

1) Some new memory related thing which pertains to 64-bit OSs. I don't remember exactly what it does at the moment.

2) I do it because the square root of 6 is 2.44948974278 and 2+4+4+9+4+8+9+7+4+2+7+8=68 and 6+8=14 and 1+4=5 and the square root of 5 is 2.2360679775 and my CPU socket is a 775 so I take that away leaving 2.2360679 and 2+2+3+6+0+6+7+9=29 and 2+9=11 and 1+1=2 which is the number of cores my CPU has. I also do it because other people said to do it and they probably do it because other other people said do it and they probably do it because somebody made a typo.

[purecain]

run 3dmark 06 with the pcie @100 and again @110 and see the differance.

[STaRGaZeR]

run 3dmark 06 with the pcie @100 and again @110 and see the differance.

Can you tell the difference? now i´ve no time but i want to know :D

[DutchBBQ]

Guys I need help here..

Can someone do me a favor and find me some links for drivers and things so I can get back up running fully..

Thankyou so MUUUCH...guys.

Link:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061112200624969&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

[Gascogne]

Link:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061112200624969&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

Properly a stupid question but the drivers for the mb are these? -> 6. INF Update Utility [INFINST_AUTOL.EXE] (1103KB) 8.0.1.1002 6/6/2006 Download

[Sparx]

:toast: Can you tell the difference? now i´ve no time but i want to know :D
:D
I was thinking the same.:D
I have seen guys run it at 110 stating they had to for stability.
Maybe I will try 110 and test it. :explode2:
sparx

[DutchBBQ]

Properly a stupid question but the drivers for the mb are these? -> 6. INF Update Utility [INFINST_AUTOL.EXE] (1103KB) 8.0.1.1002 6/6/2006 Download

You're RIGHT!! Thanks!
I've adjusted it.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061112200624969&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

[DutchBBQ]

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[l2obert]

2) I do it because the square root of 6 is 2.44948974278 and 2+4+4+9+4+8+9+7+4+2+7+8=68 and 6+8=14 and 1+4=5 and the square root of 5 is 2.2360679775 and my CPU socket is a 775 so I take that away leaving 2.2360679 and 2+2+3+6+0+6+7+9=29 and 2+9=11 and 1+1=2 which is the number of cores my CPU has. I also do it because other people said to do it and they probably do it because other other people said do it and they probably do it because somebody made a typo.

:lol:

[blind_ripper]

ppfff this is so bad , got me a new p5w Dh but it can boot above 340fsb :(: .
did evreything on first page nothing helps :(

[SKiLL3D]

ppfff this is so bad , got me a new p5w Dh but it can boot above 340fsb :(: .
did evreything on first page nothing helps :(
try disabling DRAM Throttling

iLL

[phile]

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From the readme:

Target Chipset(s)#: Q963/Q965/P965/G965 and 3000/3010/3100 and 5000 Series

This chipset software is not meant for the P5WDH (975X).

In any case, I've been running Vista Ultimate 32-bit Final for about a week, and the plug & play drivers it installed for the 975X chipset seem to be just fine.

-phil

[WeldZilla]

I like the new 1602 bios. It helped AI booster to show correct cpu speed again. But, I have noticed a certain smoothness with this update. I was very pleased with the 1305 but still this one has a nice feel about it. Like with a little more time Asus will bring this board to maturity. I have liked my board from day one. It and I started with a 950 presler and we got to be good friends. It ran the presler daily at 4800mhz and it gave me time to learn about board before I finally plugged in my Conroe. I have a very efficient liquid cooling system and run daily at 421 fsb with my V-core running at 1.650
and my mem running 1:1 with my timings set at 3-3-3-6 and my mem voltage runniung at 2.35. There are boards that run the equivalent cpu at faster speeds but they have to run much faster to out score this board so there is the trade off. Me I am satisfied with the board overall. I still believe Asus will improve on it with each new bios or at least every third or fourth bios update. you can check my sig for my system and the links to my benches to back up the overall performance of this great system. It is amazing what it will do with one $236 vid card on the benches and a $6.41 circuit writer pen!! Stay cool with your boards, time will make them better.. Check my avatar you will see a 80mm fan blowing over my mem to cool it. The same fan helps my Northbridge too. Back to the 1602 bios.... I run 32bit and I am telling you for me this is an excellent bios.

The new cpu-z 1.38 works fine.

WZ

[daos]

I like the new 1602 bios. It helped AI booster to show correct cpu speed again. But, I have noticed a certain smoothness with this update. I was very pleased with the 1305 but still this one has a nice feel about it. Like with a little more time Asus will bring this board to maturity. I have liked my board from day one. It and I started with a 950 presler and we got to be good friends. It ran the presler daily at 4800mhz and it gave me time to learn about board before I finally plugged in my Conroe. I have a very efficient liquid cooling system and run daily at 421 fsb with my V-core running at 1.650
and my mem running 1:1 with my timings set at 3-3-3-6 and my mem voltage runniung at 2.35. There are boards that run the equivalent cpu at faster speeds but they have to run much faster to out score this board so there is the trade off. Me I am satisfied with the board overall. I still believe Asus will improve on it with each new bios or at least every third or fourth bios update. you can check my sig for my system and the links to my benches to back up the overall performance of this great system. It is amazing what it will do with one $236 vid card on the benches and a $6.41 circuit writer pen!! Stay cool with your boards, time will make them better.. Check my avatar you will see a 80mm fan blowing over my mem to cool it. The same fan helps my Northbridge too. Back to the 1602 bios.... I run 32bit and I am telling you for me this is an excellent bios.

The new cpu-z 1.38 works fine.

WZ

Every person I have seen with no problems on this board uses G Skill memory. This fsb issue has got to be memory related. I bet it is some kind of setting that ASUS does not give us access to in the BIOS.

[pphx459]

I popped in a new E6600 (L630B) and am able to do 3.8 @ 1.5v. Previously, my L627A could only do at max 390mhz. However, now I am getting random reboots with winxp 32 bit. Orthos, dual prime all run w/o any problems. I have tried everything including upping the vcore (seriously doubt it's a cpu problem), changing vdimm from 2.1 to 2.25 and mch/fsb voltages, non which seem to help. This is all done on bios 1503.

I am now running bios 1602 and so far things seem to be better. Crossing my fingers. :)

Btw Weldzilla, did you change any subtimings on your memory?

Edit: 1602 Fixed the random reboots. Rock solid with Orthos running for at 9+ hours and memtest at 3k%. Nice job Asus.

[DutchBBQ]

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[scaramonga]

Is there any benefit to running RAM in either slots?

Does it matter if Orange or Black in otherwords........:)

[Gascogne]

Is there any benefit to running RAM in either slots?

Does it matter if Orange or Black in otherwords........:)

For me it doesn't matter, have tried both slots now for some time and no difference.

[Sparx]

Every person I have seen with no problems on this board uses G Skill memory. This fsb issue has got to be memory related. I bet it is some kind of setting that ASUS does not give us access to in the BIOS.

:up:
:toast:
:clap:

:rotf:

I agree!

sparx :D

[Rattle]

yes I have never had a problem and i traded this board for my p5b deluxe and it was used !

I like it better and gskill is my fav since my ddr 500 UCCC sticks on my dfi ultra-d

[SKiLL3D]

Where are the BIOSmodders? We just need tRFC unlocked for RAMissues^^

iLL

[JokerCPoC]

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[DarthVader]

Is it possible to buy watercooling parts (as suggested in the picture below) for the Asus P5W DH Deluxe from an English speaking site:

http://mips-computer.de/images/p5wdh_full_mounted.jpg

The last time I had an 8800GTX it sent the idle temperature of my northbridge to to 51 degrees celsius when idle thus I have seriously been contemplating watercooling as the solution to both high temperatures in modern graphics cards and its effects on the surrounding components.

It would also keep the PC relatively quiet if I bumped it up to 3ghz again. :p

[Rattle]

I dont have any north bridge temperature problems.

[DarthVader]

It's not so much a problem (it's stable after all) but given it can go as high as 46c during the summer (and it is in the loft area of my house that can get very hot during the summer) I would like to bring it down if possible without adding more noise thus the idea of watercooling seems quite attractive.

[lawrywild]

Where are the BIOSmodders? We just need tRFC unlocked for RAMissues^^

iLL

You won't get very far with asus bioses. The bios editors that are available all crash when you try to open recent bioses. Also, no one can edit the tRFC into the bios, if it's already coded and is just hidden, then it's possible but no one can just recode a bios with tRFC in it.

[kyleslater]

Those things are rated for 40 to 65C and mine usually stays @ 49C or thereabouts.

[daos]

You won't get very far with asus bioses. The bios editors that are available all crash when you try to open recent bioses. Also, no one can edit the tRFC into the bios, if it's already coded and is just hidden, then it's possible but no one can just recode a bios with tRFC in it.


Ok then that leaves us no choice than to either sell the motherboard, get new memory, or re-program the SPD for the memory itself.

Wow, those are not the best options.

:mad:

[seanmcgpa]

Hey guys... upgraded to the new 1602 BIOS and now can't increase the multiplier of my x6800 to 13. Anyone else notice this?

In 1503 I have the multiplier=13 for 3.46ghz, ram at DDR2-1067 for PC-8500 - very fast.

Not sure if they added something that I am missing or not ...

[NghtShd]

You won't get very far with asus bioses. The bios editors that are available all crash when you try to open recent bioses. Also, no one can edit the tRFC into the bios, if it's already coded and is just hidden, then it's possible but no one can just recode a bios with tRFC in it.

If you mean adding tRFC to the menu then I agree. It might be possible to edit it in such a way that is uses a more conservative tRFC setting so that manual timings work better, however.

[roger_h99.nor]

Hey guys... upgraded to the new 1602 BIOS and now can't increase the multiplier of my x6800 to 13. Anyone else notice this?

In 1503 I have the multiplier=13 for 3.46ghz, ram at DDR2-1067 for PC-8500 - very fast.

Not sure if they added something that I am missing or not ...

Can confirm this as well. 1602 don't allow mp over 11 to be entered.
Get your act together ASUS!!

[pphx459]

Hmm, I haven't upped the multiplier but with my e6600 with x9 multi, I am sitting at 3.9 with 1.5v rock stable. This wasn't possible with 1503.

http://www.toptenguild.net/pics/pc/oc_430.JPG

[Gascogne]

Hmm, I haven't upped the multiplier but with my e6600 with x9 multi, I am sitting at 3.9 with 1.5v rock stable. This wasn't possible with 1503.What cooling are you using?

[pphx459]

Using water, storm block, with pa 120.3.

[ntvh]

Using water, storm block, with pa 120.3.
what is your batch ver of your CPU? A or B .Thanks:D

[RLM]

Where are the BIOSmodders? We just need tRFC unlocked for RAMissues^^

Went searching hi and low, for advice/information on running the P5W DH with Geil 6400 4-4-4-12 UDC. When I tested it I couldn't raise the FSB over 365. What ever I tried, and the memory needed 2.2v to do anything at all.

I stuck my AW9D-max back in, and the memory is working just fine. Haven't pushed it but have had it at FSB 405 1:1 4-4-4-12 2.1V

The latest bios in the aw9d, which I'm running does have a trfc option, mine's currently at a default 35 in bios. Albeit I realise there's a bit more to it, I wonder if having a trfc option is indeed the answer/solution to some of these ram issues.

Just got to say though that currently P5W DH and Geil 6400 4-4-4-12 UDC is a bad combo choice. For anyone considering.

Limited for choice in Thailand, no mushkin, OCZ, team, Gskill HZ etc, so can I ask is corsair the way to go. Say the 6400 dominator stuff?

Cheers

RLM

[Jaap74]

What should I have this set to :

MEMORY REMAP FEATURE

ENABLED or DISABLED ?

Cheers

[don_vercetti]

Assuming you're using a 32-bit OS, then you want to have it disabled.

[nanoprobe32]

Every person I have seen with no problems on this board uses G Skill memory. This fsb issue has got to be memory related. I bet it is some kind of setting that ASUS does not give us access to in the BIOS.


Its a ram timing problem (safty feature)
when you boot at FSB 360+ the asus 975 boards
are more stricter with SPD timmings if your pushing high FSB

so when you set manual memory timings then save and reboot
it no's your ram cant run @ those speeds as its looking at your Poor SPD timings table, so it gives you a black screen

so now it wants you to set auto SPD but the problem now, is your memory is running way slack timmings 5.5.5.15

So the only way to solve it, is buy RAM that has aggrasive timings in the
SPD tables like the teams xtreem,Cellshock, Gskill, and you will boot 400 fsb with manual timings no problem.

i have found this out with my p5w 64 workstation
changed ram to some cellshock PC 6400 and no more 360 fsb bug
can boot @ 420 fsb 1.1 with memory @ 4.4.4.12 @2.1 volts

memory affected will be the crosair range, Geil, some OCZ
hope this helps alot of folks i spent ages trying to solve this.

[RLM]

As I said in previous post quality stuff is hard to come by here. Does the corsair dominator 6400 4-4-4-12 (I think it is), have the same fsb/spd issues with this board? I understand from another thread that corsair tends to work better on the asus boards.

I've got a pw5 sat here, and am contemplating another build for a mate of mine, and don't want to end up wasting more money if poss on the wrong components.

Thanks

RLM

[Jaap74]

Assuming you're using a 32-bit OS, then you want to have it disabled.

thanks ;)

[nanoprobe32]

As I said in previous post quality stuff is hard to come by here. Does the corsair dominator 6400 4-4-4-12 (I think it is), have the same fsb/spd issues with this board? I understand from another thread that corsair tends to work better on the asus boards.

I've got a pw5 sat here, and am contemplating another build for a mate of mine, and don't want to end up wasting more money if poss on the wrong components.

Thanks

RLM

yes that corsair will have problems, because crosair program the memory
SPD table to something like 5.5.5.12 @ 400 fsb

you need ram that says 4.4.4.12 @ 400 fsb in the SPD tables not many ram on market has this

there is no need for corsair to program the memory with crappy timings
thats a myth, that its for compatable reasons
because my ram can boot up with 5.5.5.15 with 1.8 on auto everything and there is not even any 5.5.5.15 timings in my SPD tables to be seen.

[RLM]

What a nightmare, but thanks for the head's up. So basically to overcome this I would need to possibly choose the higher spec/priced 8000's in either the geil or corsair?

Will have to do a bit more reading up around the web.

Thanks again.

RLM

[nanoprobe32]

What a nightmare, but thanks for the head's up. So basically to overcome this I would need to possibly choose the higher spec/priced 8000's in either the geil or corsair?

Will have to do a bit more reading up around the web.

Thanks again.

RLM


no PC6400 memory is fine if you buy Gskill Hz, Team Extreme, Cellshock
the geil i just came from had that problem
so avoid Geil as they do the same as crosair with SPD timings.

[EVILCOSMOS]

Just to clear things up will this board boot at 360+ FSB with Geil RAM at 400Mhz and timings set by SPD to 5-5-5-15?

If so would you be then able to tighten the timings using memset?

Sorry if this is a noob question:slapass: , I am just trying to straighten out all the information posted so far.

Thanks.

[WeldZilla]

I have changed nothing in the subsystem. When I first started running this 6400HZ I ran it at 4-4-4-8 everywhere. I thought it was great to be able to run those timings at any fsb I could boot at. Then one morning I tried 3-4-4-8 and it booted just fine then it was 3-4-3-6,then it was 3-3-3-6 I now run this setting everywhere for the last few weeks and now this mem does not like 4-4-4.... at all anymore. Which is fine by me. I just thought it was a bit odd. when I go above 425 fsb I run my volts at 2.4 to run at any mem speed.
My board hits an absolute wall at 426,no matter what it will not boot there. Jump over 426 and it will boot up into the low 430's. I am happy with this but, Asus is hopefully not done yet with their updates there are still issues to be fixed here.. I run my mem on the turbo setting also if that helps anyone.
It is definetly a love hate relationship with these boards.

WZ

[nanoprobe32]

Just to clear things up will this board boot at 360+ FSB with Geil RAM at 400Mhz and timings set by SPD to 5-5-5-15?

If so would you be then able to tighten the timings using memset?

Sorry if this is a noob question:slapass: , I am just trying to straighten out all the information posted so far.

Thanks.


never used memset all done from bios
the geill will boot @ 5.5.5.15 max bandwith is only DDR 333
and yes this is the GeIL 2GB PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency kit

i sold the geil you have in your sig

[RLM]

Just to clear things up will this board boot at 360+ FSB with Geil RAM at 400Mhz and timings set by SPD to 5-5-5-15?

If so would you be then able to tighten the timings using memset?

Sorry if this is a noob question , I am just trying to straighten out all the information posted so far.

Thanks.

Would have to do the maths. Have to explain I'm a bit of novice myself. I had mine on the P5W up to 900mhz(450*2) on a ratio (Can't remember the exact one) 5-5-5-15. As I say it did need 2.2v though for anything. Maybe my board was undervolting.

It would run 1:1 720mhz (360*2) 2.2v 4-4-4-12. Basically the memory would do pretty much what it should do, but not on a 1:1 ie. couldn't get fsb anyway near 400 anyway.

It's as nanoprobe32 explained.

By the way cheers again nanoprobe32. Would of been sick as a pig if I went out and bought those dominator 6400s. They're 200 pound here. Will try and get my hands on some HZ's.

RLM

[EVILCOSMOS]

Hi Nano

Damn I just bought this mobo but haven't used it yet. :(

So if I set the FSB to say 400MHz to get (266Mhz + 134Mhz) x 9 = 3.6Ghz with an E6600
(unknown Vcore - probably too high for 24/7 :D )

I would run my RAM at 4:5 i.e. (333Mhz + 134Mhz) x 2 = 934Mhz
with auto timings of 5-5-5-15 and with manual Vdimm of 2.1 volts?

Thanks.

[RLM]

As said you can't get your fsb that high(400), with the geil 6400s installed in the P5W board. I had a similar setup with my xeon 3060. The best oc for the cpu was about 3.2 ghz with this ram/mb combo. ie. :banana::banana::banana::banana:e.

RLM

[pee4]

memory affected will be the crosair range, Geil, some OCZ
hope this helps alot of folks i spent ages trying to solve this.


Not all Corsair is affected.

Corsair XMS5400C4 will boot at least up to 435 FSB.
Corsair XMS6400 (C5) will not even boot at 400 FSB.

Same everything - just a RAM swap.

[JimB]

I've got Geil 2.1V 4-4-4-12 RAM in my motherboard and it posted fine with 400 fsb bus using manual timings, however it wasn't stable running prime 95 on both cores though at this speed (but I blame the CPU).

Currently I'm running a stable clock at only 360 MHz 1:1 bus because of temperature concerns.
I lapped my E6600 but it didn't seem to help me at all.
Currently my room temp is nearly 30C (and rising, it's only 8am here :( ) and CoreTemp reports 53C on both cores at idle at this time while SpeedFan reports CPU=36C and System=44C.
The vCore is set to 1.37V and needs to be there to be prime 95 stable at this speed.
I've got a revision A E6600 processor though... So I'm guessing this is normal and there's nothing I can do about it.

Some details are:

Arctic Freezer 7 pro cooler with Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste.
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe MB with Arctic Silver 5 on northbridge and southbridge and stupid shiny covers removed from chipset heatsinks.
Crossfire setup with 2 x X1950XTX cards (serious heaters).
Antec P180B case, fans on low speed, extra 120mm fan hung on the back of the empty hard-drive cage in the top section of the case to direct air towards the graphics cards.

[JokerCPoC]

Not all Corsair is affected.

Corsair XMS5400C4 will boot at least up to 435 FSB.
Corsair XMS6400 (C5) will not even boot at 400 FSB.

Same everything - just a RAM swap.
And I've been noticeing a good number of P5W owners trying the XMS6400 (C5) are having problems, While w/OCZ I haven't personally seen anything bad. :D

[Brian y.]

I run my P5W DH w/ corsair 8500 and run my ram @ 400MHz 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8 volts24/7 w/ a 400MHz FSB . I have been able to get up to 440Mhz on my ram @ 2.2 volts w/ the same timings with my FSB @ 440MHz.I'm still in the process of testing but this ram has done very well w/ this board for me IMO.

[VIctorj]

Guys...i have one question...

if i cant access to the Hardware monitor section in the bios...how the hell im i suposed to change qfan settings and stuff?

Thanx...

PS: This is really annoying...if i cant get it to work...im going to sell this POS board and wait for dfi's RD600 :(

EDIT: I was able to get into that menu using other ram sticks....weird huh? (Im using Gskill right now...but with some horrible generic sticks it got into that menu just fine)


Sorry for my english.

[Potato Salad]

And I've been noticeing a good number of P5W owners trying the XMS6400 (C5) are having problems, While w/OCZ I haven't personally seen anything bad. :D
Well I have the xms6400 C5 and depending on which cpu I use different results..
I used to have a e6300 it would run at 1:1 435fsb no problem with no vcore increase..
Now I have a e6600 and i'm kind of stuck at 356fsb 1:1 wierd??
Kind of I mean have not tried to go further yet, to busy doing other things I need comp to do..:toast:

[Georgypie]

Hello

I have read through the pages but i am a little confused to which is causing my system to become unstable cpu or ram? my PC is Stable 4hrs Orthos (stress cpu small fft's) but when i go blend i get about 5mins then the blue screen arrives. I have tried reducing the ram divider and upping the ram volts to 2.3 and the cpu temp is 58c full load (TAT) but still no joy! any help in getting blend stable is appreciated.
Firstly the machine

Asus P5w-DH
E6600 L6267A079
XFX 7950GX2
Twin 2 x 2048 Corsair DDR2 8500C5
2 x 200gb HD (raid 0)
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W ATX12V Power Supply
Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II Chipset Cooler
Danger Den CPu Cooling

BIOS Settings
AI Overclock [manual]
Cpu Freq [400]
DRAM Freq [800]
Performance mode [auto]
PCI Express freq [105]
PCI Clock Sync [33.33]
Mem Voltage [2.3]
Cpu Vcore Voltage [1.6]
FSB Termination Voltage [1.50]
MCH Chipset voltage [1.85] i have removed the heat pipe and replaces with Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II Chipset Cooler
ich Chipset Voltage [1.2]
CPU Settings all disables except for Microdec uptadation and Virtualization Technology
CHipset settings timing by spd [enabled]
everything else disabled

Thanks in advance

[smith_6079]

I'm wondering just one thing about the P5 series with the 975X North bridge from Asus: would mounting the motherboard in a BTX style (upside down) hurt anything related to the chipset? I mean, the north bridge is cooled via passively with a heat pipe and fins but I remember reading about how--because of the heatpipe design--inverting them prevents proper cooling.

So, does anyone have good chipset temps on an inverted (BTX style) P5?

[tompl]

Not all Corsair is affected.

Corsair XMS5400C4 will boot at least up to 435 FSB.
Corsair XMS6400 (C5) will not even boot at 400 FSB.

Same everything - just a RAM swap.
Ive Twin2x1024-6400C4, and i have some problems with fsb 400mhz(errors in memtest test 7), it only happens when rams are in dual channel

[teowws]

I have this setup but its seems like the keyboard doesn't work well with the motherboard. My problem is i don't seems to be able to press DEL key to go into the bios screen but connecting another PS/2 keyboard to the motherboard works with the DEL key press. Anyone have this problem? I'm using bios 1602. In windows xp pro the keyboard works fine.

Another problem is i dunno whether its related to the above problem, everytime i unplug the razer copperhead mice from the keyboard builtin usb hub, the next time i plug it back to the keyboard usb hub, the razer software won't be able to detect the mice again, i have to do a uninstall of the copperhead s/w then reinstall again then it will recognise it and be able to do mice configuration, i even plug direct to the motherboard back panel usb port but in vain ,i am using latest firmware/software for the copperhead and tarantula, wonder wat is causing this problem.

[Pol1977]

I'm wondering just one thing about the P5 series with the 975X North bridge from Asus: would mounting the motherboard in a BTX style (upside down) hurt anything related to the chipset? I mean, the north bridge is cooled via passively with a heat pipe and fins but I remember reading about how--because of the heatpipe design--inverting them prevents proper cooling.

So, does anyone have good chipset temps on an inverted (BTX style) P5?


I have a lian li BTX style case. No problems here :)

[Pluppo]

I've got Geil 2.1V 4-4-4-12 RAM in my motherboard and it posted fine with 400 fsb bus using manual timings, however it wasn't stable running prime 95 on both cores though at this speed (but I blame the CPU).

Hi JimB, I'm wondering what RAM you have exactly. I have this one: http://www.geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=74

It's also Geil 2.1V 4-4-4-12 rated, but I can't boot higher than 340 FSB without SDP enabled...

[pr33tz]

I've manage to overclock my cpu to 400fsb which gives me 3.6 GHz. What do I need to do to overclock my RAM? What settings should I use to get 1:1 or 4:5?

Spec in sig. Thanks!

[lawrywild]

1:1 would be the DDR2-800MHZ setting
4:5 would be the DDR2-1000MHZ setting

:)

[pr33tz]

Would my memory need extra voltage to run at 800MHz? I'm assuming that because its DDR2-800, it's designed to run at 800MHz? I'm new to this so I may be completely off!

[lawrywild]

look at the ram packaging and see what voltage it's rated to run at

[pr33tz]

RAM packaging?? lol, thats long gone! I'll check the OCZ website to see if I can find anything. Thanks.

[bete]

It's rated for 2.1v. 2.2v is okay under warranty.

[pr33tz]

What would it be running at if it's on auto? 1.8v?

[NghtShd]

I have this setup but its seems like the keyboard doesn't work well with the motherboard. My problem is i don't seems to be able to press DEL key to go into the bios screen but connecting another PS/2 keyboard to the motherboard works with the DEL key press. Anyone have this problem? I'm using bios 1602. In windows xp pro the keyboard works fine.
Are you pressing the DEL key after the USB had initialized? I use a USB keyboard and it works fine, but I have to wait for the USB controllers to init. I'll see the message "Entering BIOS setup..." and then after the drive detection (including Jmicron) the BIOS setup loads.

[lawrywild]

What would it be running at if it's on auto? 1.8v?

yeh

[Gascogne]

Which bios is best for overclocking?

[lawrywild]

theyre all pretty much the same, use 1602

[Yonya]

theyre all pretty much the same, use 1602

Unless you are running an X6800, when the 1602 won't allow you to fully raise the multiplier correctly....

Allegedly. ;)

[lawrywild]

His sig says E6700.

[pphx459]

what is your batch ver of your CPU? A or B .Thanks:D

Batch B.


I have read through the pages but i am a little confused to which is causing my system to become unstable cpu or ram? my PC is Stable 4hrs Orthos (stress cpu small fft's) but when i go blend i get about 5mins then the blue screen arrives. I have tried reducing the ram divider and upping the ram volts to 2.3 and the cpu temp is 58c full load (TAT) but still no joy! any help in getting blend stable is appreciated.


Seems that your CPU has reached it's limit. I find the blend tests to be way more accurate than running tests with small fft's. I typically test the system with dual prime 95 and custom settings tho.. (imo, it seems to give the most accurate results). Whenever you get a blue screen at whichever setting, then chances are the system is not stable.

You can try changing the multiplier to 8 and running the tests again at 400fsb...


I have changed nothing in the subsystem. When I first started running this 6400HZ I ran it at 4-4-4-8 everywhere. I thought it was great to be able to run those timings at any fsb I could boot at. Then one morning I tried 3-4-4-8 and it booted just fine then it was 3-4-3-6,then it was 3-3-3-6 I now run this setting everywhere for the last few weeks and now this mem does not like 4-4-4.... at all anymore. Which is fine by me. I just thought it was a bit odd. when I go above 425 fsb I run my volts at 2.4 to run at any mem speed.
My board hits an absolute wall at 426,no matter what it will not boot there. Jump over 426 and it will boot up into the low 430's. I am happy with this but, Asus is hopefully not done yet with their updates there are still issues to be fixed here.. I run my mem on the turbo setting also if that helps anyone.
It is definetly a love hate relationship with these boards.


I can't believe we have almost identical findings. I'll have to lower my timings next... :p

[JimB]

Hi JimB, I'm wondering what RAM you have exactly. I have this one: http://www.geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=74

It's also Geil 2.1V 4-4-4-12 rated, but I can't boot higher than 340 FSB without SDP enabled...

Yeah that's the exact same memory as I have.
My first set of this RAM I had to return.
It wouldn't post past FSB 336 1:1, and failed prime 95 at all speeds; even stock.
A memtest86 showed it to have a fault.
The replacement RAM works much better.

[ntvh]

Thank you pphx459.
They said batch B is run way better than the A. OC easy with MAX Ghz with low Vcore. You are LUCKMAN. Thank you:toast: :D

[pphx459]

lol thanks, I did get lucky with this one. My first one was L627A and it did a max of 395fsb..

I actually asked for the L630A.. lol

[Rattle]

mine is chugging along nicely

[teowws]

Are you pressing the DEL key after the USB had initialized? I use a USB keyboard and it works fine, but I have to wait for the USB controllers to init. I'll see the message "Entering BIOS setup..." and then after the drive detection (including Jmicron) the BIOS setup loads.


oh...come to think of it, i was pressing DEL key when the big ASUS P5W-DH screen appears and never after the USB init but i press DEL key when i see my keyboard backlit light up so i was thinking the USB hub is powered up. This is not user friendly , imagine i have to keep watch of the USB init before i can do any thing. Can't think of this happening on my previous experience with other motherboards.

[pphx459]

mine is chugging along nicely

Very nice. :toast:

So wuts the highest stable oc with that beauty?

[kyleslater]

Unless you are running an X6800, when the 1602 won't allow you to fully raise the multiplier correctly....

Allegedly. ;)
Correct. I'm going back to the 1500 series. Though the 1602 had some nice fixes... Except for that multiplier...

[WeldZilla]

I think the very best OC'ing bios for my setup was the 1305. It is very close and the new bios is staying on my computer. I am pleased with it. Let's face we can swap our bios' til we are blue in the face but til Asus comes out with more and better bios updates we will be chasing our tails. I have not had the oppurtunity to run several different types of mem on my system. I have been a G.skill user for quite some time so I bought for this my first venture into DDR-2 So in that regard my mem choice was based on what had worked well in the past and I had heard good things about the 6400HZ the fact that I got a couple really good sticks is as you all know ......the luck of the draw.
So come on Asus finish this board!!! So it will go down as a great board and not a great disappointment. Even tho' I will tell you I for one am happy overall with my setup..

WZ

[ntvh]

I went to the store tonight and got luck with the B ver. Will try when my water blocks arrival. Thank you.:toast: :toast: :toast: :banana: :banana:

[mat8861]

Anyone has tested this corsair dominator PC8888 - 1111MHz with CAS 4?
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/products/specs/TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF.pdf

[VIctorj]

Guys....something strange here: I found a way to get into hardware monitoring...
If you disable USB legacy support...it gets in hardware monitoring just fine...doesnt hang.

[Yonya]

I always found it would let me in 2nd time after a reconfiguration of settings...

[SKiLL3D]

@ASUS!

time for a new BIOS i say again:
more RAMsettings and configuring Vcore without having to disable EIST/C1E

iLL

[lawrywild]

@ASUS!

time for a new BIOS i say again:
more RAMsettings and configuring Vcore without having to disable EIST/C1E

iLL

I just tested 1703 and it's the same as 1602 :(

[lawrywild]

New asus pc probe II dated today if anyone's interested

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/misc/utils/ProbeII_V10405.zip

[Prelim]

one simple question?

did asus completly forgot the TRFC issue?...im waiting since 3 months ago...no sucess.

I readed somewhere there is a moded bios homemade (by an XS user) with trfc options, is that true?

[SKiLL3D]

one simple question?

did asus completly forgot the TRFC issue?...im waiting since 3 months ago...no sucess.

I readed somewhere there is a moded bios homemade (by an XS user) with trfc options, is that true?
Where did u hear that?

iLL

[pancito]

What is "fixed" in 1703?

What has been your best OC? i manage to get 425 with WC but if i try to push MCH to 1.85 it won't boot.

My Current settings are

FSB 425
VCore: 1.5
Mem 2.2 (OCZ Platinum Rev2)
MCH 1.75
ICH 1.05
FSB 1.30
SPD Timings 5-6-6-18 (Works fine at memset 5-4-4-18)

My main goal was 450 guess Im only dreaming.

If I try to boot at higher freq's it loads BIOS OK but fails to get in to windows.

[don_vercetti]

What is "fixed" in 1703?

Is that a type for 1603 or has bios 1703 been released? Google doesn't say anything at first glance.

[The Nemesis]

There is a 170X bios but it not avail to pub yet. New PC probe still has CPU-Z cpu temp 255'c alarm bug. New AI Booster displays everything correctly now, so I guess I 'll be using it for now.

[don_vercetti]

Does it bring any great benefits to the table?

[lawrywild]

Does it bring any great benefits to the table?

It's exactly the same as 1602 as far as I can tell (no tRFC :( )

[Jason404]

The first post in this thread doesn't mention the well known problem of a lot of PCI/PCIe cards not working with this board when using Windows Vista.

This happens with TV-cards, soundcards as well as the latest graphics cards from NVIDEA as far as I am aware.

I've been waiting weeks now for Asus to release a BIOS update that can sort this out.

[Severance]

is there anyway to overclock using asus booster without restarting?
and also.. i cant seem to get any kind of overclocking program to work,clock gen or setfsb. They appear to be working but im sure they are not. after bringing up fsb on any of these to programs i have no increase in porformance using softsandra as a benching tool. even if i change fsb from 300 to 380 i have no increase at all in bandwidth or no increase in cpu speed cpuz is reporting the fsb change and so is asus booster. but if i bring up fsb to far comp will crash. that tells me that clockgen is working? makes no sence to me at all. I need to be able to generate clock in windows this will solve my only problem i have with this mb.

x6800
corsair 8500c5
asus 1950xtx crossfire

[lawrywild]

The first post in this thread doesn't mention the well known problem of a lot of PCI/PCIe cards not working with this board when using Windows Vista.

This happens with TV-cards, soundcards as well as the latest graphics cards from NVIDEA as far as I am aware.

I've been waiting weeks now for Asus to release a BIOS update that can sort this out.

Doubt that's the boards problem, most likely you need some better vista drivers

[i_am_ugf]

It is a board problem unfortunately...Cannot even boot to start installing VISTA with 7950gx2 and this board and unfortunately there are many users with the exact problem

[Logger]

I just came over from the AMD DualCore 4800.
It was time for a change.
My new Rig is in my Sig.
My Team eXtreme 6400 at 4,4,4,12 is running orthos sable 22hours.

This is my First Intel ever and I am so Impressed with.
My only real Problem was OCZ520 Psu. Not enough Amps to run my equipment. Lots of Reboots. Upgraded to a OCZ 700 Gamer. Problems solve.

I am currently run at 3400Mhz. Absoutley Stable, I think I made the right choice with the Ram,CPU, and ASUS P5B Deluxe. I am currently using the 711 bios with no Hiccups, except for 1x vid problem, which I fixed by, when the bios did the Texas 2 Step, I would immediately enter the bios and resave, F10 agian all was good.

My question is should I stick with this older bios (711) or try a new one. I alway thought, if it aint broken to Fuol with it. ANy Advice would be greatly apprecitated.

I did read all 95 pages, but I am sure I have some questions to ask.

My ASUS P5B Deluxe ATX LGA775, is now modded with new heatsinks for the North and Southbridge. So warranty is out the window.

What do you guys and girls think, try a new bios, dump the 711?

I have more questions but it is getting late. Thanks for any input.

THe board booted no problems to 410Hz, with 1/1 ram ratio. Tired now starting to ramble cya all Tommorrow.

Logger: First Post

[Thickbrit]

I dunno if this problem is exclusive to me,but just recently when running high fsb 1/1 around 450+,i lose vcore control.I set say 1.6v or 1.65v,hit f10 and no post,hard reset back to bios,vcore is still set to 1.6/1.65v but vcore monitoring says 1.32v (default),so i verify with multimeter and the monitoring is correct.I can set any vcore i like and it's always default.It hasn't always done this,i used to boot ok at 455+,now i have lower fsb to around 400/410 before the vcore will stick.I tried set vcore to 1.325v and cranking up the trimmer,but i never got anywhere near the vcore i needed before some kind of ovp kicked in.Tried bios flash,no change,back to 1503 now.So it's clockgen for 1/1 action now.Don't bother trying to figure it out,i couldn't care less,i'm posting this as a consideration for anyone else have trouble booting very high fsb's.

[nicepun]

Well, I have joined the the ranks of people that can't do anything above 400FSB (set in BIOS), this happended after I was playing around with different types of RAM so that's where the problem lyes. So no matter what divider and timings I use for the ram I'm not able to do over 400FSB.

[daos]

Yeah Pun, its definatly memory related. It seems that G Skill modules do not have this problem. They must set a more relaxed tRFC latency.

[Jason404]

Doubt that's the boards problem, most likely you need some better vista drivers


With so many different PCI/PCIe cards involved it looks like a board problem. The P5W DH Deluxe is still being advertised as Vista Ready, when it is clearly not.

It is not a driver problem as the computer fails to boot just after POST. Using Safe Mode shows the computer to freeze while Vista has started to load. As it is just happening with just this motherboard, it looks like some PCI bus issue, and Asus's responsibility.

It's happening with many TV-cards, the GeForce 8800GTX and 7950GX2, wi-fi cards and Creative X-Fi. It seems that it can happen to just about any other card as well.

This is just one thread about this in the Asus forums, but there are many others if you look.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&id=20061022181034664&board_id=1&model=P5W%20DH%20Deluxe&page=1&count=33

[monza1412]

Well, I have joined the the ranks of people that can't do anything above 400FSB (set in BIOS), this happended after I was playing around with different types of RAM so that's where the problem lyes. So no matter what divider and timings I use for the ram I'm not able to do over 400FSB.



I agree with that, I´ve tested two brands (kingston Hyperx and OCZ) rated at 800 mhz but both gave me inestability with FSB beyond 400 mhz.
I´ve also checked memset and I´ve tried different values for trfc, trd with no luck.
So the question is: What brand/model of memory works with this mobo at 1/1 beyond 400 mhz.??


Also I re-read all the thread and I found several people that had troubles when they set their fsb to 415, I tried that, and boom, no boot, but 414 boot ok, and 416 boot ok..
Anyone knows something about that?

[lawrywild]

I dunno if this problem is exclusive to me,but just recently when running high fsb 1/1 around 450+,i lose vcore control.I set say 1.6v or 1.65v,hit f10 and no post,hard reset back to bios,vcore is still set to 1.6/1.65v but vcore monitoring says 1.32v (default),so i verify with multimeter and the monitoring is correct.I can set any vcore i like and it's always default.It hasn't always done this,i used to boot ok at 455+,now i have lower fsb to around 400/410 before the vcore will stick.I tried set vcore to 1.325v and cranking up the trimmer,but i never got anywhere near the vcore i needed before some kind of ovp kicked in.Tried bios flash,no change,back to 1503 now.So it's clockgen for 1/1 action now.Don't bother trying to figure it out,i couldn't care less,i'm posting this as a consideration for anyone else have trouble booting very high fsb's.

lol, it won't post because your settings won't post, not because you're not getting the right vcore.

When you set 1.65v in bios and booting, the board didn't POST. Then you turned off and powered back on. The board posted yes? So this was at 2.4ghz, 1.325v. When you reload the bios that second time, you get that error message saying the the overclocking failed right? When you press F1 it takes you to the bios where all your settings (1.65v) are still there. Doesn't mean that the board is using 1.65v on stock 2.4ghz (I'm using an e6600 as the example here)

If you really want to see what I'm talking about use a digital multimeter and read the vcore when you try to post with 1.65v. Even if you don't POST the digital multimeter will read 1.6v (vdroop) then you turn off, and back on. The board posts and digital multimeter will show 1.3v or whatever is stock volts minus the vdroop.

[cuke2u]

Hi, well Jason404, as my P5WDH works fine with Vista I'd contradict what you are stating. This motherboard is Vista ready is a correct statement, perhaps if they were to state vista compatible, or maybe this motherboard will run vista with everything you plug into it, would not.
Just because some combinations, or single cards, have compatablilty issues with vista and this motherboard does not make it unable to run vista, neither does it also actually mean that it is Asus's problem alone....
ChrisC

[Jason404]

cuke2u, as you are shoudl be aware, being a poster in the Asus forum, a lot of people are having these problems. And as a regular on the Vista and hardware newsgroups I can see that these problems are specfic to this motherboard.

If anything is ever going to resolve these problems, it will be a BIOS update from Asus.

[mikepaul]

So the question is: What brand/model of memory works with this mobo at 1/1 beyond 400 mhz.??Corsair, but just barely.

Although, I haven't run any stress-tests in quite a while. Hmmm....

[cuke2u]

Hi, well I hope that Asus are working with MS to sort out these issues so that maybe a bios update will sort them out...Whether or whether not it's down to the motherboard. I'm not defending Asus I'm just not about to jump onto, oh this doesn't work with this mothboard, but it does with these so it must be Asus's fault. Incompatibilties happen, sometimes they can't be avoided, I remember exactly the same with XP and TV tuners...
ChrisC

[DarthVader]

cuke2u, as you are shoudl be aware, being a poster in the Asus forum, a lot of people are having these problems. And as a regular on the Vista and hardware newsgroups I can see that these problems are specfic to this motherboard.

If anything is ever going to resolve these problems, it will be a BIOS update from Asus.

Not that I've been reading into what the specific problems are with the P5W and Vista (or the RC1 version at least) but I've had no motherboard specific issues. Only problems I've had are with sound card drivers but I believe that is more to Vista being more demanding of its digitally signed drivers these days than anything else.

[nanoprobe32]

@ lawrywild could you please update main page. thanx

FSB problem over 360 enable SPD timings this is only a ram problem
its solved, buy better ram with the correct timings in SPD tables

this is a myth with ram companys that they needed to program
compatable timings to ensure stabilty it's total BS

my ram cellshock boots up on auto timings @ 5.5.5.15 and at 1.8 volts
no mention of those timings in the cellshock SPD tables.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4263/cellshockih9.jpg


420fsb 1.1 sync with ram at 840mhz with 2.2 volts
before i couldn't get over 360fsb

i had geil ultra ddr 800 and that crap wouldn't go over 360 fsb
because geil made the max bandwith ddr 333 @ 5.5.5.15 even though its really 800 ram it dont work that way for the 975 chipset.

[Jason404]

Not that I've been reading into what the specific problems are with the P5W and Vista (or the RC1 version at least) but I've had no motherboard specific issues. Only problems I've had are with sound card drivers but I believe that is more to Vista being more demanding of its digitally signed drivers these days than anything else.

Yes I am running Vista without any problems as long as I don't install my new twin digital tuner TV-card I bought especially for Vista, as it already had Vista drivers.

[Rattle]

Very nice. :toast:

So wuts the highest stable oc with that beauty?


dunno I have benched it briefly at 3700 but havnt really tried to max it out any...

[pancito]

Rattle can you put a screenshot of your memset settings?

I was trying to get 3.6 on Water, but as soon as i overvolt other then the MCH it fails. 3.4 is what i can get with my E6400. 3.2 on Air so of course I was not happy on the Price/Performance.

[flashnc]

set mch to 1.65
ich to 1.20
memory to 2.35

[Severance]

What are u guys using to overclock in windows? setfsb and clock gen are not working for me. When i apply settings in any of these programs they seem to be working but i have no increase in performance. testing using softsandra and marks are the same. I could use ai booster but i need something that will apply changes without restarting. thanx for any help.

P5WDH delux
x6800 extreme
asus 1950xtx crossfire edition
corsair 8500c5

[pancito]

set mch to 1.65
ich to 1.20
memory to 2.35

As soon as i up the volts. it Dies. I blame it on the memory or MoBo.

[pancito]

What are u guys using to overclock in windows? setfsb and clock gen are not working for me. When i apply settings in any of these programs they seem to be working but i have no increase in performance. testing using softsandra and marks are the same. I could use ai booster but i need something that will apply changes without restarting. thanx for any help.

P5WDH delux
x6800 extreme
asus 1950xtx crossfire edition
corsair 8500c5


SysTool, you have to select ICS954123

http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/

[Severance]

SysTool, you have to select ICS954123

http://www.techpowerup.com/systool/


thanx alot for the help i will download and try it.

[Rattle]

Rattle can you put a screenshot of your memset settings?

I was trying to get 3.6 on Water, but as soon as i overvolt other then the MCH it fails. 3.4 is what i can get with my E6400. 3.2 on Air so of course I was not happy on the Price/Performance.


FSB Term 1.3
MCH 1.55
ICH 1.05

only mem settings I set manually are 4-4-4-8 and 400mhz 1:1
all else is auto'd, hyperpath is killed and the usual others.

I dont even have or use memset, if you really need the settings though, post a link to the applicable version and I'll post them up for you.

[SchiuZ]

I have problems with this mobo and a Kentsfield processor. I can’t reach more than 3Ghz frequency. I tried everything, following what it’s written in the first post of this discussion. I disabled Hyperpath 3, changed PSU units(Tagan 530W), changed memory modules (I have DB9) but nothing to do. I also tried the mobo with an E6600 and I can reach 3,6Ghz stable (12h+ Orthos blend).

I have noticed that my Kentsfield is supported only in BIOS from 1101 to 1407. The mobo gives me cpu uCode error with 1506 a 1601 (beta) and 1602 (last official) BIOS. My CPU is step 5 rev B1.

In your opinion is it possible that at 1,55v the CPU can’t rise more than 3,1Ghz (with a “supporting” BIOS, I am using 1407)? I tried to change multiplier, I tried from 8x to 11x, but there is nothing to do. Do I have a low performing CPU or I just have to change motherboard?

[cuke2u]

Jason404
Then you wasted your money buying something for software that isn't out for two months yet.
As I said b4, I'm sure that that it will be fixed but it just that so few seem to be getting their knickers in twist about a 'yet to be officially supported' OS...
ChrisC

[Babsy]

i see all these nice overclocks and i wonder to myself what i'm doing wrong...i'm gonna try that systool too and see if i get any luck with this board too

[mat8861]

I have problems with this mobo and a Kentsfield processor. I can’t reach more than 3Ghz frequency. I tried everything, following what it’s written in the first post of this discussion. I disabled Hyperpath 3, changed PSU units(Tagan 530W), changed memory modules (I have DB9) but nothing to do. I also tried the mobo with an E6600 and I can reach 3,6Ghz stable (12h+ Orthos blend).

I have noticed that my Kentsfield is supported only in BIOS from 1101 to 1407. The mobo gives me cpu uCode error with 1506 a 1601 (beta) and 1602 (last official) BIOS. My CPU is step 5 rev B1.

In your opinion is it possible that at 1,55v the CPU can’t rise more than 3,1Ghz (with a “supporting” BIOS, I am using 1407)? I tried to change multiplier, I tried from 8x to 11x, but there is nothing to do. Do I have a low performing CPU or I just have to change motherboard?
I use 1.6 and get 3.20 rs

[SchiuZ]

I use 1.6 and get 3.20 rs

Thx. 1.6vCore? Isn't that too high for daily use? Consider that I am using the PC to render and the CPU usage is about 100% 24/7.
Anyway you are saying to me that my CPU is “standard” and that is normal that I can’t rise it’s frequency up to 3Ghz @ default vCore, I am right?
I am asking because I expected more good overclocking performances from this CPU, and because I am seriously thinking about chancing motherboard.

[Sparx]

Rattle-
Interesting similarity between our rigs and overclocks. :)

I have a week 30 e6600 as well along with the same RAM and my results on air are as yours.

Except I have a 750 watt power supply and yours is a 160 watt! :bows:

:eek: sparx

OT- I am not getting my email alerts for posts here, How might I fix this? :dammit:

[scaramonga]

SysTool, you have to select ICS954123

.....and where does one select this about?

I see nothing in drop down list or am I missing summit lol? :confused:

[Severance]

.....and where does one select this about?

I see nothing in drop down list or am I missing summit lol? :confused:


in cpu overclocking section. dropdown list.

[Severance]

What bios are u guys using now? im using 1602. I s this the best one or should i go back to another?

[Child of Wonder]

This might be a problem with the board so I thought I would ask for any advice anyone could offer troubleshooting this problem.

Here are the components:

Conroe e6600
Asus P5W DH Deluxe BIOS was 1305, now 1602.
2x1GB GSkill PC6400 5-5-5-15
2x250GB WD 250GB SATAII
16x NEC DVD-RW
Antec Truepower 550W (Thermaltake Toughpower 650W on the way)
ATI X1900XT

To start with I couldn't get Windows to install to one of the drives. I would get BSODs and errors during install. Ran Memtest86 for a few mins without errors. Updated BIOS and then was able to install Windows. Tried to install onto a RAID 0 array using Intel built in controller but again got BSODs. Downloaded latest RAID drivers from Intel and was able to install to the RAID array without issue.

Since I got XP installed OK, I downloaded the latest Windows updates and drivers. Then I OCed the CPU to 3GHz at stock voltages. Came up like a champ. Ran 3dMark06 and it went fine (got a 6559).

Decided to run dual instances of Prime95 overnight to test the system. Watched it for a while and temps got up to 37C and that's it (cold in the basement).

In the morning the desktop was blank like the system had rebooted itself. As soon as I moved the mouse it BSODed and rebooted. Now it BSODs when I try to get into Windows, even at stock speeds on the CPU and RAM.

Ran a Memtest again and immediately got errors at 1220MB and 200MB (would seem to indicate both sticks bad).

I'm going to put in a new PSU tonight and test it again. If I still have problems it seems either the motherboard or RAM is causing the problems. I don't have another DDR2 board or I'd move the RAM there and Memtest it on that board.

Any other troubleshooting tips I can try while I'm working on it?

Thanks.

[kimozabe]

I have a similar problem.

Today i built a new rig containing:

E6600
P5WDHDLX
2gb Xtreem 1ghz 5 5 5 15
8800GTX

Windows installed fine but BSOD's during first boot.

Blue bar goes by couple times then BAM, bsod and instant reboot.

Ive disabled almost everything in bios. i also updated to newest bios with usb flash thingie.

All stuff is brand new. What can it be?

/K

[Pol1977]

I have a similar problem.

Today i built a new rig containing:

E6600
P5WDHDLX
2gb Xtreem 1ghz 5 5 5 15
8800GTX

Windows installed fine but BSOD's during first boot.

Blue bar goes by couple times then BAM, bsod and instant reboot.

Ive disabled almost everything in bios. i also updated to newest bios with usb flash thingie.

All stuff is brand new. What can it be?

/K

Your graphics card needs a very powerful PSU... Which PSU are you using?

[Sparx]

I have a similar problem.

Today i built a new rig containing:

E6600
P5WDHDLX
2gb Xtreem 1ghz 5 5 5 15
8800GTX

Windows installed fine but BSOD's during first boot.

Blue bar goes by couple times then BAM, bsod and instant reboot.

Ive disabled almost everything in bios. i also updated to newest bios with usb flash thingie.

All stuff is brand new. What can it be?

/K
How about a sig?
sparx

[VIctorj]

Well...now im pissed off.

This freaking board is randomly shutting down...weird thing is cpu fan keeps spinning, but it just shuts down.

This didnt happen with my other C2D(had the ihs :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ed so had to rma it.)
am i missing something?

It doesnt do it with a horrible celeron that i have laying around..

Its all at stock speeds.

e6400
pr2dh deluxe
gskill 1gb 4-4-4-12 ddr800
fps fortron epsilon 600w
x1900xt

Thanx guys!

PS:Im having a lot of trouble with this board... :/

[´Lotzi]

can someone pls share 1703 Bios

thx

regards

[mat8861]

Thx. 1.6vCore? Isn't that too high for daily use? Consider that I am using the PC to render and the CPU usage is about 100% 24/7.
Anyway you are saying to me that my CPU is “standard” and that is normal that I can’t rise it’s frequency up to 3Ghz @ default vCore, I am right?
I am asking because I expected more good overclocking performances from this CPU, and because I am seriously thinking about chancing motherboard.
have you tryied to raise mch? Anyway I was able to lower vcore but still running orthos to verify. The temp are not bad with the vcore higher processors at 45c(Idle) 52c(stressed) and mobo at 36c degree. Later I will post my settings.
Btw do you have stock fan? I changed mine with a Zalman 9500, another good one is the scithe ninja b revision. I also added a little fan on northbridge and took off the Asus cover on the dissipators.

[Thasp]

Well...now im pissed off.

This freaking board is randomly shutting down...weird thing is cpu fan keeps spinning, but it just shuts down.

This didnt happen with my other C2D(had the ihs :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ed so had to rma it.)
am i missing something?

It doesnt do it with a horrible celeron that i have laying around..

Its all at stock speeds.

e6400
pr2dh deluxe
gskill 1gb 4-4-4-12 ddr800
fps fortron epsilon 600w
x1900xt

Thanx guys!

PS:Im having a lot of trouble with this board... :/

I'm troubleshooting that issue, I think it came from a botched windows install. Or high northrbridge temperatures.

Is there a way to monitor northbridge temperatures?

This is after it got used with a less than stellar PSU. I may have to RMA both damn boards now, if newegg'll even let me.

[nicepun]

can someone pls share 1703 Bios

thx

regards

Ditto

[kimozabe]

Your graphics card needs a very powerful PSU... Which PSU are you using?


be-quite 600w.

[lawrywild]

I'm not allowed to share 1703.

[Rol-Co]

Thx. 1.6vCore? Isn't that too high for daily use? Consider that I am using the PC to render and the CPU usage is about 100% 24/7.
Anyway you are saying to me that my CPU is “standard” and that is normal that I can’t rise it’s frequency up to 3Ghz @ default vCore, I am right?
I am asking because I expected more good overclocking performances from this CPU, and because I am seriously thinking about chancing motherboard.

got problem with kentsfield step4 and the p5w dh, board runs fine with the cpu but 3dmark 2006 give me unknown cpu , tried latest bios but that one suck's for kent, Ucode error.

anyone know how to fix this thing in 3d2006? can't publish now

[nicepun]

I'm not allowed to share 1703.

:mad: When will it be available to the General Public?

[lawrywild]

Don't know but it's not neccessarily going to become final on asus.com

oh and why do you want it? I already said it'd no different to 1602

[SchiuZ]

have you tryied to raise mch? Anyway I was able to lower vcore but still running orthos to verify. The temp are not bad with the vcore higher processors at 45c(Idle) 52c(stressed) and mobo at 36c degree. Later I will post my settings.
Btw do you have stock fan? I changed mine with a Zalman 9500, another good one is the scithe ninja b revision. I also added a little fan on northbridge and took off the Asus cover on the dissipators.

I tried vMCH from default to 1,65v but nothing seems to change. I have got water cooling (OCLabs).

Can anybody tell me why I got CPU uCode error with the newest BIOS (like 1506 and 1601) and I don’t have it with 1407?!?

[Sparx]

Not to start an argument, but why are so many FLASH HAPPY here? :confused2

[Gascogne]

I managed to get my cpu and ram working at 400 Fsb but now when I have upgraded to another 2Gb so I have total of 4Gb I can't boot up higher than 397 Fsb.

Bios: 1602.
Ram: Super Talent Pc-6400 1Gb x 4

Anyone else using 4Gb ram and have the same problem?

[lawrywild]

will 30mhz really make much difference? ;)

[catscit]

I tried vMCH from default to 1,65v but nothing seems to change. I have got water cooling (OCLabs).

Can anybody tell me why I got CPU uCode error with the newest BIOS (like 1506 and 1601) and I don’t have it with 1407?!?

have you tried turning microcode update on in the bios?
withtout it, you will get uCode errors!

[GLENBOY]

well done lawry 250,000 views of your thread must be one of the biggest

[bete]

Not to start an argument, but why are so many FLASH HAPPY here? :confused2


I've wondered that myself. While not the crap shoot that it use to be there is still a risk to flashing.

[lawrywild]

Thanks :thumbsup:

[Gascogne]

will 30mhz really make much difference? ;)
Properbly not, it is just annoying to see 397 instead of 400. :p:

[taxman]

Properbly not, it is just annoying to see 397 instead of 400. :p:
lol I know what you mean. My old opty did 2.75 Ghz and I wanted it to say 2.8

[lawrywild]

Properbly not, it is just annoying to see 397 instead of 400. :p:

yeh true lol :rolleyes:

[VIctorj]

Guys...im trying to downgrade my bios...im with 1602 now ...trying to downgrade to factory bios...AsusUpdate doesnt let me downgrade...and afudos either.

is there ANY way to downgrade?

believe me...i have my reasons.

[wyattcoop]

Guys...im trying to downgrade my bios...im with 1602 now ...trying to downgrade to factory bios...AsusUpdate doesnt let me downgrade...and afudos either.

is there ANY way to downgrade?

believe me...i have my reasons.
You can use Asus update, open the program click on the tab and scroll down to options, click next and then check bios downgradable. You can then update to any bios you have saved, old or new. Piece of cake.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Hi there!

My P5W is running fine a few weeks now. But, since a while, the BIOS is inaccessable!


When booting the computer, first there is a black screen, with only a blinking dash -no BIOS splash screen. Then after 30 sec. the following message appears:



JMicron PCIE-SATAII / IDE RAID CONTROLLER, BIOS V1.06.56A

Detect drivers done, no any drive found.


Then Windows XP starts. There seems to be no way to get into BIOS.



I don't know exactly when this problem occured, perhaps when I changed the SATA drives from the EZ-headers to SATA1 and -3; perhaps when I installed the JMicron driver. I don't know.

I reinstalled XP 3x meanwhile :confused2 No change.


Is there any way to get the BIOS screen back? Uninstall the JMicron driver in some way?

Please help!


P5W # E6600 # 2x 1GB GSkill (GBPK) # MSI 7900GTO # E-MU 1212 # Seasonic 430 # Ninja

[lawrywild]

have u tried pressing delete lots of times when the black screen shows?

[Eddie Spaghetti]

have u tried pressing delete lots of times when the black screen shows?

So many times the word 'Delete' is no more on the key :)

[lawrywild]

hehe, then I don't know..

try clearing CMOS just exactly how the p5wdh manual describes it

[ccl2006]

i really could not install Windows Vista RC2 on my rig tsk tsk

[Gascogne]

How come the motherboard just shows at startup I have 3Gb of ram when I have 4Gb? And even in Vista RC2 I have 3GB of ram...

I have check if one could be faulty, all works just fine.

[´Lotzi]

I'm not allowed to share 1703.


sorry this is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:

i phoned today with asus and they told me every bios they send out can share all over the world

i will search for this bios otherwise poooooooooooor guy


regards

[lawrywild]

i phoned today with asus and they told me every bios they send out can share all over the world

hahaha

[Severance]

sorry this is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:

i phoned today with asus and they told me every bios they send out can share all over the world

i will search for this bios otherwise poooooooooooor guy


regards
bios get worse as they go along so u not missing much

[don_vercetti]

Just to chip in, i could install Vista but it would not boot on my rig either. That was before one of the BIOS's added "Vista HD Audio", so i dunno if that would help or not.

[lawrywild]

Strange I ran vista RTM to 2 weeks as my 24/7 OS just fine :rolleyes:

[WeldZilla]

Hey guys stay cool, a bios update will be out soon enough. Just for future reference,if you can't share you might want to keep it under your hat "lw" that way you can avoid any animosity from building over what appears to be another mediocre bios. I still believe the 1305 is the best of the bunch for overclocking. I am going to fall back to it myself. after a little more than a week of the new 1602 it just does not perform as well as the 1305 does for me. On my system the 1305 is best.

WZ

[R @ P T O R]

for Delly

we cumpà.... ci si ritrova anche qui...è proprio piccolo il mondo..

[Sparx]

Properbly not, it is just annoying to see 397 instead of 400. :p:
I can see your point. ;)

[Sparx]

Hey guys stay cool, a bios update will be out soon enough. Just for future reference,if you can't share you might want to keep it under your hat "lw" that way you can avoid any animosity from building over what appears to be another mediocre bios. I still believe the 1305 is the best of the bunch for overclocking. I am going to fall back to it myself. after a little more than a week of the new 1602 it just does not perform as well as the 1305 does for me. On my system the 1305 is best.

WZ
I use 1305, what the heck can the later BIOS's do for me? The theory was not to flash unless you have a problem- or should I clarify the computer has a problem...
:caution:

[Rattle]

i dunno i have tried every bios out and never have issues, I love this mobo, its old version too, first rev... rock solid

[lawrywild]

I use 1305, what the heck can the later BIOS's do for me? The theory was not to flash unless you have a problem- or should I clarify the computer has a problem...
:caution:

Not kill your harddrives ;)

[nicepun]

Well now my mobo doesn't want to do 1:1 @ 400FSB. I must try some things but this really sucks.

[SchiuZ]

for Delly

we cumpà.... ci si ritrova anche qui...è proprio piccolo il mondo..

Molto piccolo, soprattutto sul web :D.

[Sparx]

Not kill your harddrives ;)
Not sure I know what you mean. :confused:
sparx

[NghtShd]

Not kill your harddrives ;)

I want that feature.

[MacClipper]

Not to start an argument, but why are so many FLASH HAPPY here? :confused2
heheh, I was flashing my mobo with new versions as they come along in a bid to solve the Jmicron S3 resume issue but all that is in the past now, issue was solved by JMicron beta drivers so I am stuck at 1506 for now.

Finally, the same stability as my P4C800-E setup at twice the speed/RAM and half the heat/noise, this rig's just rocking great! :D

PS: switching to Crucial RAM on this mobo helped too.

[Sparx]

heheh, I was flashing my mobo with new versions as they come along in a bid to solve the Jmicron S3 resume issue but all that is in the past now, issue was solved by JMicron beta drivers so I am stuck at 1506 for now.

Finally, the same stability as my P4C800-E setup at twice the speed/RAM and half the heat/noise, this rig's just rocking great! :D

PS: switching to Crucial RAM on this mobo helped too.

Pardon me for being in the dark but what is the Jmicron S3 isssue, something to do with RAID? Obviously Idon't use RAID. I have noticed the posts on this but didn't quite get the problem.

What RAM did you have before, Corsair?
sparx

[Sparx]

I want that feature.
What is killing hardrives? Are you guys referring to the cold boot bug? :confused:

[MacClipper]

Pardon me for being in the dark but what is the Jmicron S3 isssue, something to do with RAID? Obviously Idon't use RAID. I have noticed the posts on this but didn't quite get the problem.

What RAM did you have before, Corsair?
sparx
erm, affects only the guys like me who uses S3 sleep and resume. On S3 resume, devices on the JMicron go missing so Win XP will stutter and choke, complaining of missing devices (Event Viewer begins to fill up too).

Was using Patriot Elpida RAM but these Crucial 10th Anniv. sticks are da bomb (runs tight and up to DDR1000 too)! Bought 8 of them and kept 6, passed 2 to another guy who's probably running them at DDR1000.

btw, think earlier BIOS keep powering down the HDs on reboots so the latter BIOS are preferred in preventing such sudden spin ups/downs = hopefully less wear and tear.

[fornowagain]

What is killing hardrives? Are you guys referring to the cold boot bug? :confused:
They mean later bios versions don't power down on a reset, thus pulling power from the hard drive before it gets a chance to spin down properly.

[Babsy]

i ordered the asus striker coming in on monday,having too many issues with this board...only had it for a few days but not really liking it much from switching from DFI infinity,hope the striker makes me smile
i'll report what that does

[Strikez]

i ordered the asus striker coming in on monday,having too many issues with this board...only had it for a few days but not really liking it much from switching from DFI infinity,hope the striker makes me smile
i'll report what that does

IF you have pc 8500 or higher can you see if the board will run the ram at 1066 mhz. I read it is suppose to no prob but I thought this board would to. Thanks.

[´Lotzi]

hahaha


i see you re not older than 12 years.

only kiddys are writing such :banana::banana::banana::banana: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

and lieing is poor...........

[lawrywild]

i see you re not older than 12 years.

only kiddys are writing such :banana::banana::banana::banana: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

and lieing is poor...........

roflmfao :slap:

[Sparx]

They mean later bios versions don't power down on a reset, thus pulling power from the hard drive before it gets a chance to spin down properly.
I think from 1503 forward that was solved, hope I am right.

I had the problem of power down on reset (and it was very evident) before going to 1503 unless it is only powering down the drives now and I haven't noticed.:mad:

MacClipper-
Thanks for the explaination and could you adopt me and thus buy RAM for my rigs from now on? :D

sparx

[pee4]

Properbly not, it is just annoying to see 397 instead of 400. :p:

I have often wondered the same thing.

I reckon it could make a difference because at 400 FSB the FSB is perfectly divisable by the PCI bus speed (33.33mhz) and the PCI-e bus speed (100mhz).

At weird FSB speeds like 397 FSB maybe the system has to introduce "wait states" to keep the various buses syncronized?

[monza1412]

Well guys, I will buy some new memory, and I need some feedback about this one: GSKILL F26400CL4D-2GBPK

Those who have this kit, please give me your opinnions. Is it possible to boot without the spd timmings?? Is it stable at 400 mhz of fsb?
Thanks in advance

[rpr]

I have a major FSB wall/limitation at 356fsb. I can run my E6600 at 356 x 9 for 3.2 Ghz stable at all default voltages. One Mhz over 356 fsb and I'm not stable, regardless of any increases I try in voltages.

Is there any way to distinguish whether fsb limitations are due to the CPU or the motherboard?

P.S.: I also seem to have the fsb wall at 356 fsb even if I lower the CPU multiplier.

[VIctorj]

Guys...i have a thread with some questions about dh remote software...if anyone can give me a hand, head over here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1871966#post1871966).

Thanx guys!

Sorry for the offtopic.

Ontopic: I want to change the northbridge stock cooler...its ridiculously hot to the touch...but i have one question:
I have a Thermaltake big typhoon...what would be the ideal companion to this monster(cause its almost over the chipset...and i dont want to buy something just to find out it doesnt fit.)

Thanx again.

EDIT: If anyone have pics, it would be GREAT!

[syne_24]

Guys...i have a thread with some questions about dh remote software...if anyone can give me a hand, head over here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1871966#post1871966).

Thanx guys!

Sorry for the offtopic.

Ontopic: I want to change the northbridge stock cooler...its ridiculously hot to the touch...but i have one question:
I have a Thermaltake big typhoon...what would be the ideal companion to this monster(cause its almost over the chipset...and i dont want to buy something just to find out it doesnt fit.)

Thanx again.

EDIT: If anyone have pics, it would be GREAT!

the remote is limited, that's just how it is. It's good for basic functions and on/off computer.

The cheapest way to fix cooling on the nb is to buy a 40mm fan and slap it on the heatsink itself. Otherwise if you want to do a complete aftermarket nb cooler, then you either have to cut out the heatpipe for the mosfet or remove it completely and just use ramsink. If you're worry about clearance issue with the TTBT, then I suggest the Jing-Ting nb cooler, it can pivot in configuration.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/jitijtchchco.html

cheap way: (Sunon 40x20mm Maglev)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/syne_24/Picture001-1.jpg

aftermarket: (Swiftech MCX159)


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/syne_24/Picture022.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g156/syne_24/Picture026.jpg

[NghtShd]

Ontopic: I want to change the northbridge stock cooler...its ridiculously hot to the touch...but i have one question:
I have a Thermaltake big typhoon...what would be the ideal companion to this monster(cause its almost over the chipset...and i dont want to buy something just to find out it doesnt fit.)

I just mounted a fan on the stock northbridge heatsink after cleaning off the stock thermal "concrete" and replacing it with AS5.

[Sparx]

I just mounted a fan on the stock northbridge heatsink after cleaning off the stock thermal "concrete" and replacing it with AS5.
Good idea, Syne 24 has done it as well.

I have had one on mine from the start and it makes a significant difference in tempereature.

When you think about it Asus should have had active cooling on the NB factory stock-- for what these boards cost. :shrug: :moon:

I believe the stock HS is fine, but it needs a blow.

OT- This thread is about to hit 100 pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toast:
sparx

[Sparx]

Well guys, I will buy some new memory, and I need some feedback about this one: GSKILL F26400CL4D-2GBPK

Those who have this kit, please give me your opinnions. Is it possible to boot without the spd timmings?? Is it stable at 400 mhz of fsb?
Thanks in advance

Is there no more G.skill HZ?
Lots of guys have it with good results.
Edit Here isthe stuff I have (HZ) It sure has gone up in cost! :mad:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

Sparx

[VIctorj]

I just mounted a fan on the stock northbridge heatsink after cleaning off the stock thermal "concrete" and replacing it with AS5.

I replaced the stock "goop" for some cheap ass thermal compound...and it works...its just ridiculously hot to the touch...so i tried ataching a fan...and it changes a lot...but i feel more like using an aftermarket cooler instead.

What's under the ther heatsink(the other end of the heatpipe) and whats the best way to cool down those components?

[Sparx]

I replaced the stock "goop" for some cheap ass thermal compound...and it works...its just ridiculously hot to the touch...so i tried ataching a fan...and it changes a lot...but i feel more like using an aftermarket cooler instead.

What's under the ther heatsink(the other end of the heatpipe) and whats the best way to cool down those components?
What changes a lot?

And, the MCH is under the heatsink and your mosfets (voltage regulators) are under the heat sink next to the CPU socket.

sparx

[VIctorj]

Temps...from passive to 40mm fan.

[Falkentyne]

I think from 1503 forward that was solved, hope I am right.

I had the problem of power down on reset (and it was very evident) before going to 1503 unless it is only powering down the drives now and I haven't noticed.:mad:

MacClipper-
Thanks for the explaination and could you adopt me and thus buy RAM for my rigs from now on? :D

sparx

What exactly was the big problem anyway?
Killing the drives? T_T
My board powered down and stayed powered down for over 5 seconds before powering up. Thats about the same amount of time i power off manually after a system crash. I know the vapo guys had problems with this but this power down actually prevented some strange problems that i've seen since 1503 (different multipliers and certain voltage ranges sometimes causing failure to reboot, which didnt happen in 1407).

[VIctorj]

WAit a sec....what sensor gives the exact temps from the northbridge and southbridge? ..i can feel the heatsink a lot cooler than before, but cant find the temperature measurement anywhere :P (software? Everest perhaps?)

[lawrywild]

You can't read 975x temp through software

[VIctorj]

So is a touch and feel kinda measurement? :P Damn.
Anyway...i think i found a new use for the asus mosfets included blower. Pictures coming soon.

[Sparx]

[/URL]So is a touch and feel kinda measurement? :P Damn.
Anyway...i think i found a new use for the asus mosfets included blower. Pictures coming soon.
Get one of those indoor/outdoor thermometers (digital) reads in Fahrenheit and Celsius. One temp is read from inside the main unit the other is on a wire.
Strip off the wired sensors outer coating and the probe becomes very tiny. Insulate any bare metal and then you can slide into places on your mother board etc. to check temps.

Of course you could buy a device like a Digidoc, or get a VOM that reads temps too.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006G2WYU/pricegrabbercpc206-20/ref=nosim (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006G2WYU/pricegrabbercpc206-20/ref=nosim)
http://www.weathershop.com/orsci_naw881.htm

[Sparx]

Temps...from passive to 40mm fan.
My temps without the fan were 72C and with the fan went down to 37C.
Sometimes when gaming without the fan 80c now the top is 40C-41C. Measurements are taken with an indoor/outdoor thermometer using the probe stuck into the heat sink as close to base and center as possible.

I got a Radio Shack 40 mm fan on it running at 7 volts, using the 7 volt trick.
I ghetto attached it with hot glue. :yepp: It was kind of loud at 12 volts but did cool a little better.
Sparx

[scaramonga]

Yeah.......I stuck a couple of THESE (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-031-AK) on my chipset.....very quiet and much cooler.

I have them connected to my front fan controller....but low or high I can't hear them :) :)

[Sparx]

Yeah.......I stuck a couple of THESE (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-031-AK) on my chipset.....very quiet and much cooler.

I have them connected to my front fan controller....but low or high I can't hear them :) :)
Nice looking fan.
I think you MUST cool that MCH to get a stable and higher overclock, put your finger on it and you will understand. I run mine at 1.65 and it was hotter than hell.

You are in the UK, how much is that in Yankee dollars?

[scaramonga]

You are in the UK, how much is that in Yankee dollars?

At current rate buddy.......about $9.79 each :)

[alpha0ne]

I stuck a Radical NB Block (http://www.radiical.com.au/products/Chipset.asp) on my board, easily the best solution :fact: :banana:

[cuke2u]

Hi, so with regard to NB temps, has anyone had any issues with the temps causing crashes or lockup's, in fact any problems at all?
ChrisC

[lawrywild]

Nope, I run my Extreme Spirit II and ran my stock cooler fanless

Never had any problems (400fsb 24hours orthos on stock vmch)

[monza1412]

Is there no more G.skill HZ?
Lots of guys have it with good results.
Edit Here isthe stuff I have (HZ) It sure has gone up in cost! :mad:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065

Sparx



thanks Sparx for your anwser, but here where I live, I can only pick up this model of GSKILL, is so damn hard to find the better ones (HZ) cos nobody sells them.
By the way, can you boot with manual timings or you have to put spd timings?
Is it orthos (large test) stable at 400 mhz fsb?

Thanks in advance

[Gascogne]

I have managed to boot up at 400 fsb with Super Talent PC-6400 (manual timings 4-4-3-8 ) and it is stable in orthos (boot with 2Gb and 4Gb) with bios 1602.

Super Talent (http://www.powerchargers.com/p/142338/t800ux2gc4-800mhz-2gb-low-latency-ddr2-ultra-high-performance-dual-channel-memory-kit-for-enthusiasts-and-gamers.html)

[cuke2u]

Hi, I'm running my 6300 @2.8 with a FSB of 400. Not had any temp problems with the NB either. So I'm thinking it's 'percieved' problem not an actuall one...
ChrisC

[Sparx]

thanks Sparx for your anwser, but here where I live, I can only pick up this model of GSKILL, is so damn hard to find the better ones (HZ) cos nobody sells them.
By the way, can you boot with manual timings or you have to put spd timings?
Is it orthos (large test) stable at 400 mhz fsb?

Thanks in advance
Yeah I have the RAM manual- 4-4-4-12-4.
I am running 1:1 with Ortho stable at 400 x9 for 5.5 hours.
Never had a lock up except when I fiddled with my video card overclock, being a noob at overclocking video cards. :hitself:

Where are you are maybe someone can buy it here and ship it to you?
The RAM you are looking at has good timings but I know nothing about it.
I ship overseas all the time I could help?
sparx

[lawrywild]

Bios archive added to front page :)

[lawrywild]

I did some testing today

I got a friend who has some D9 which post on manual timings on both his P5WDH's and got him to send me his spd

I flashed my ADATA with the SPD, everything was fine but still no post on manual timings.

So I edited my own ADATA spd to DDR2-800 5-5-5-15 with tRFC @ 42

didn't do anything to help either so now I'm confident this is not an SPD issue, unless it is an issue within the subtimings that SPDTool cannot read..

[DutchBBQ]

The first post in this thread doesn't mention the well known problem of a lot of PCI/PCIe cards not working with this board when using Windows Vista.

This happens with TV-cards, soundcards as well as the latest graphics cards from NVIDEA as far as I am aware.

I've been waiting weeks now for Asus to release a BIOS update that can sort this out.

Jason, a smart guy has found a solution for this major problem.
Read the post of Wugger:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20061022181034664&board_id=1&model=P5W+DH+Deluxe&SLanguage=en-us&page=5

[rpr]

I have a major FSB wall/limitation at 356fsb. I can run my E6600 at 356 x 9 for 3.2 Ghz stable at all default voltages. One Mhz over 356 fsb and I'm not stable, regardless of any increases I try in voltages.

Is there any way to distinguish whether fsb limitations are due to the CPU or the motherboard?

P.S.: I also seem to have the fsb wall at 356 fsb even if I lower the CPU multiplier.
Any help?

[Sparx]

Any help?

Why don't you flash up to at least 1503.
Also what power supply are you using?
What are your (critical) BIOS settings?
What are your Vcore and Vdimm and MCH voltages?
Are you using 105 for Pcie?

You got good cooling on the MCH heat sink?

Week 27 CPUS are quite good you have to be able to hit 3.5.

This has been covered on the thread here, but it is overwhelmingly HUGE and has to be hard to sort through.
sparx

[lawrywild]

Any help?

have you tried using memset in windows to change tRFC to 42 and then use setfsb or clockgen to raise fsb in windows and see whether its unstable above 356?

[STaRGaZeR]

FINALLY I GOT HIGH FSB (400) WITH MANUAL TIMMINGS!!! I buy some Team Xtreem D9´s and it just boot fine!!! Now can set DDR2-1000@ 4-3-4-4 with FSB 400Mhz, Conroe 400*9=3600Mhz. I´m using bios 1602, will post my bios settings for u guys :)

[rpr]

Why don't you flash up to at least 1503.
Also what power supply are you using?
What are your (critical) BIOS settings?
What are your Vcore and Vdimm and MCH voltages?
Are you using 105 for Pcie?

You got good cooling on the MCH heat sink?

Week 27 CPUS are quite good you have to be able to hit 3.5.

This has been covered on the thread here, but it is overwhelmingly HUGE and has to be hard to sort through.
sparx
Flashed to 1602 yesterday...no improvement.

Power Supply is Antec 550 W True Power...seems to hold very stable voltages on all rails.

BIOS Settings...followed all suggested settings on this thread. Mostly all default, including SPD on Auto, except for PCIe on 100, on 33.3, and I have disabled Hyperthreading. I have also disabled all settings not used (i.e. Qfan).

Voltages...all Auto. I have tried almost every possible voltage setting independantly and in combination with others. Absolutely no help, other than to perhaps allow me to post but to fail Orthos in 60 seconds or less.

PCIe...tried 105, no help. Currently using 100.

Cooling...upgraded to Thermalright Ultra 120 for CPU, and Thermalright HR-05 (passive) on Northbridge. Again, absolutely no help.

This seems to be a classic case of an FSB wall that has no workaround, but I would like to know if it is my CPU or my motherboard holding me back. I have been following the entire thread...but I don't recall seeing any solutions to finding the root cause between the CPU or the motherboard (of course, other than to replace one of them).

[nanoprobe32]

I did some testing today

I got a friend who has some D9 which post on manual timings on both his P5WDH's and got him to send me his spd

I flashed my ADATA with the SPD, everything was fine but still no post on manual timings.

So I edited my own ADATA spd to DDR2-800 5-5-5-15 with tRFC @ 42

didn't do anything to help either so now I'm confident this is not an SPD issue, unless it is an issue within the subtimings that SPDTool cannot read..


whats chip IC is on the ADATA ram?
and did you use hexworkshop to edit SPD tables because thats
the only way they can be edited.

i came to the conclusion its the ram ICs Elpida & promos
that are the problem, along with SPD timings set to low values.

the Micron D9GMH & Micron D9GKX dont have the 350 + FSB bug
will run at 400+ 1.1 with manual timings.

so if your wanting hassle free overclocking for these asus 975
chipset boards then buy micron IC's

Gskill
team extreme
cellshock
some crosair not all

iam running cellshock pc8000 at 3.3.3.8 & 400 fsb 1.1 with 2.2 volts

[rpr]

have you tried using memset in windows to change tRFC to 42 and then use setfsb or clockgen to raise fsb in windows and see whether its unstable above 356?
Well, I thought I tried this fix, but I'm not sure I properly implemented it. I didn't use setfsb or clockgen. I opened memset, set trfc to 42, set memset to reapply it, and then restarted and raised fsb in BIOS. If I recall corectly, I posted and booted, but again failed Orthos in less than 60 secoinds.

Everytime I open memset, trfc shows as 42, so I believe that is default of my memory's SPD.

[lawrywild]

powerchips and yes, the new timings were read properly by cpu-z and bios

[lawrywild]

Well, I thought I tried this fix, but I'm not sure I properly implemented it. I didn't use setfsb or clockgen. I opened memset, set trfc to 42, set memset to reapply it, and then restarted and raised fsb in BIOS. If I recall corectly, I posted and booted, but again failed Orthos in less than 60 secoinds.

Everytime I open memset, trfc shows as 42, so I believe that is default of my memory's SPD.

nah, try using setfsb in windows after memset has applied tRFC 42

[nanoprobe32]

FINALLY I GOT HIGH FSB (400) WITH MANUAL TIMMINGS!!! I buy some Team Xtreem D9´s and it just boot fine!!! Now can set DDR2-1000@ 4-3-4-4 with FSB 400Mhz, Conroe 400*9=3600Mhz. I´m using bios 1602, will post my bios settings for u guys :)



another 1 who has discovered how to break the 360 bug
buy micron D9 with the SPD table's programmed corectly:toast:

no more auto SPD timmings:woot:

team xtreme :toast:
cellshock :toast:
Gkkill :toast:

[lawrywild]

Flashed to 1602 yesterday...no improvement.

Power Supply is Antec 550 W True Power...seems to hold very stable voltages on all rails.

BIOS Settings...followed all suggested settings on this thread. Mostly all default, including SPD on Auto, except for PCIe on 100, on 33.3, and I have disabled Hyperthreading. I have also disabled all settings not used (i.e. Qfan).

Voltages...all Auto. I have tried almost every possible voltage setting independantly and in combination with others. Absolutely no help, other than to perhaps allow me to post but to fail Orthos in 60 seconds or less.

PCIe...tried 105, no help. Currently using 100.

Cooling...upgraded to Thermalright Ultra 120 for CPU, and Thermalright HR-05 (passive) on Northbridge. Again, absolutely no help.

This seems to be a classic case of an FSB wall that has no workaround, but I would like to know if it is my CPU or my motherboard holding me back. I have been following the entire thread...but I don't recall seeing any solutions to finding the root cause between the CPU or the motherboard (of course, other than to replace one of them).


Antec PSU = BIG problem on this board

[lawrywild]

another 1 who has discovered how to break the 360 bug
buy micron D9 with the SPD table's programmed corectly:toast:

no more auto SPD timmings:woot:

team xtreme :toast:
cellshock :toast:
Gkkill :toast:

ahaha you call buying new ram a fix to a bug

yeh right :slap:

oh and it's nothing to do with the SPD

my friend has D9 which is pc2-4300 4-4-4-12 and he boots fine at 400fsb.

it's all about how well your ram can handle tRFC, and it isn't fixed until asus give the option to adjust tRFC

[rpr]

nah, try using setfsb in windows after memset has applied tRFC 42
Sorry to be so lame, but I just googled setfsb and couldn't find a version for this board's chipset anywhere. Link?

[Sparx]

ahaha you call buying new ram a fix to a bug

yeh right :slap:

oh and it's nothing to do with the SPD

my friend has D9 which is pc2-4300 4-4-4-12 and he boots fine at 400fsb.

it's all about how well your ram can handle tRFC, and it isn't fixed until asus give the option to adjust tRFC
So Larry,
This is a random thing with the tRFC, that is RAM related, from kit to kit if I follow correctly?

Edit: Also I have G.skill and never had a problem - Is g.skill HZ suppose to have this bug?
sparx

[syne_24]

Flashed to 1602 yesterday...no improvement.

BIOS Settings...followed all suggested settings on this thread. Mostly all default, including SPD on Auto, except for PCIe on 100, on 33.3, and I have disabled Hyperthreading. I have also disabled all settings not used (i.e. Qfan).

Voltages...all Auto. I have tried almost every possible voltage setting independantly and in combination with others. Absolutely no help, other than to perhaps allow me to post but to fail Orthos in 60 seconds or less.

PCIe...tried 105, no help. Currently using 100.



what's your current settings now?

vdimm
vcore
vmch

[lawrywild]

So Larry,
This is a random thing with the tRFC, that is RAM related, from kit to kit if I follow correctly?
sparx

That's all I can conclude so far.. we've seen people with the same kits and chips, some with the problem, some without. but one thing is for sure, changing tRFC gets you past this. (memset 3.0) and spd timings which sets tRFC to 42 (as proved by memset again).

[lawrywild]

Sorry to be so lame, but I just googled setfsb and couldn't find a version for this board's chipset anywhere. Link?

http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/download/beta/setfsbU15a3_P5WD2.zip

note: you need the ATK1101 driver installed and enabled in device manager (can be found in the acpi/win2000 folder in asus probe II or aibooster etc software installation package)

[Sparx]

That's all I can conclude so far.. we've seen people with the same kits and chips, some with the problem, some without. but one thing is for sure, changing tRFC gets you past this. (memset 3.0) and spd timings which sets tRFC to 42 (as proved by memset again).
Thanks Larrywild
I guess no need to fiddle with it since I am fine at 400 x 9. But I would like to take a peek at this setting using memset 3.0 once I understand how it works.
Never hurts to know more.
sparx

[rpr]

http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/download/beta/setfsbU15a3_P5WD2.zip

note: you need the ATK1101 driver installed and enabled in device manager (can be found in the acpi/win2000 folder in asus probe II or aibooster etc software installation package)
Thanks! I will give it a try and report back with findings.

[Gascogne]

Im using Super Talent PC-6400 and I can boot fine at 400 fsb with manual timing 4-4-3-8, I have no idea if they are D9 or not but they are good ram atleast. :)

Super Talent PC-6400 (http://www.powerchargers.com/p/142338/t800ux2gc4-800mhz-2gb-low-latency-ddr2-ultra-high-performance-dual-channel-memory-kit-for-enthusiasts-and-gamers.html)

[lawrywild]

Pretty sure they're D9