should i get watercooing??

[theteamaqua]

i have bigtyphoon with silverstone 110CFM fan, and TT Exreme Spirit 2 for NB cooler, 2 extra hover above NB and RAM. Open Case...

idle temp is like 36c, load is 55c

Pentium D 920 vcore 1.5935v at BIOS, and idle is like 1.55v actual , 1.47v during full laod. clock 4.088GHz

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7074/shot0030wu8.jpg

now will i go higher with watercooling?? well actually i am getting ready for conroe, just want some opinion.

cuz if water can somehow (which i doubt) cut 5c off of it, that doesnt relaly give me more room to OC ...

PS: 1.5935v vcore is the highest i can set in BIOS, it wont boot at vcore 1.6v

so idle/load is like 37c/54c

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

id get watercooling, i could never live with those kind of temps. i get pissed if they go over 40c. given i dont have a dualcore, but i do have a a64 with 1.9v through it.

[Kobalt]

At 65nm, 1.5v is already pushing it. I wouldn't increase the voltage much more, so the gains you get from watercooling would be mostly from the lowered temperature. On the other hand, watercooling setups can be used for many years. For example since Conroe is LGA775, you could use the same waterblock if you upgrade.

The bottom line: If you have some extra money and you're in need of some goodies to hold you off until Conroe, then get watercooling. Don't expect that much more of an overclock though.

If money is a bit tight, I would spend it on Conroe instead.

-Jeff

[theteamaqua]

well load tmep is around 54, 55c. ignore the begining.. actaully vcore is 1.55v idle and 1.47v load ...

thats what i thought cuz by lowering coupel degree i doubt WC can really increase any clock at all ....

notice this is vcore 1.5935v in BIOS the maximum vcore that can be set...


if u get piss ur tmep is over 40c ... then no air can do that... especially my vcore is the maximum the baord can give to the cpu ...

[ocmyface]

i was honestly very disappointed when i got WC for my old setup. the amount you spend doesnt justify the small drop in temp that you get over a nice air cooling setup. nowadays, GPUs seem to be the real heat problem, so im waiting until CF R600 and going for dual GPU WC. that, i feel, will be worth the money. honestly just get yourself a nice heatsink and run the comp in the open if you can/want to.

[theteamaqua]

i was honestly very disappointed when i got WC for my old setup. the amount you spend doesnt justify the small drop in temp that you get over a nice air cooling setup. nowadays, GPUs seem to be the real heat problem, so im waiting until CF R600 and going for dual GPU WC. that, i feel, will be worth the money. honestly just get yourself a nice heatsink and run the comp in the open if you can/want to.

did u get to OC more?? how much more??

well im getting tower 120 soon. this is open case btw. is 55c really that bad?? i thought under 70c is fine ... but i could lower vcore to the 1.28v stock and my temp was like 24c idle .. so

[bigboi86]

given i dont have a dualcore, but i do have a a64 with 1.9v through it.


Holy freaking crap!!! :eek:

I used to run 1.9-2.0v through my old barton but the A64's can handle this too?? What kind of clocks do you get w/ 1.9v?

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

Holy freaking crap!!! :eek:

I used to run 1.9-2.0v through my old barton but the A64's can handle this too?? What kind of clocks do you get w/ 1.9v?


in the winter when my ambient is below 20c ive had it upto 2.95 ghz stable for 24/7 use.

but with the summer temps and ambient in my room getting over 30c (33c is max i measured today) i run at 350x8, so 2.8ghz. thats from stock speeds of 1.6ghz.

its a sempron chip, so they are missing capacitive resistor packs around the core, and my theory is thats why they can clock the same speeds as normal venice cores, but just need much more voltage, but also run cooler and dont die with high vcore. so i think they change supply of volts to core.



and a nice watercooling setup will smoke a high end air setup.

i remember when i first got watercooling, and changed over from a slk947u with a 92mm tornado, and the difference was huge, even when running cpu,gpu, and nb blocks. this was axp times.

[theteamaqua]

guess what ? by lowering clock speed 88mhz, temps drop 5c !!

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9948/shot0003za3.jpg

vcore is 1.5875v now in BIOS, i dunno, but i think i push this to the exetreme ...

[theteamaqua]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2705/shot0005tp8.jpg

yes vcore is 1.5875v in BIOS instead of the 1.5935v previous ... i guess this is the cut off line 4GHz

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

if your getting those kind of drops in temperature from slightly decreasing clock speed. that clearly indicates your cooling solution is reaching the end of how much it can effectively cool.

seriously, if you can, get watercooling.

it is so much better than air.

you cant really expect a good aircooling setup to beat an average watercooling setup. there is no way effeciency or surface cooling area can even come close.

think about total surface area on your BT, and then on a double 120mm rad.

[theteamaqua]

well show some bench... how low much lower?? also i dont think that 5c is going to bring me any more clock ...

here: tower 120 = Nautilus 500 + 3c
http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/nautilus_5

here: Nautilus 500 = Swiftech Apex Ulktra
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=535&p=5


swiftech ultra is the best WC kit i think (exclude custom which cost more, $300ish??). cost $250, and for what? 3c drop in temps?? no thanks

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

well show some bench... how low much lower?? also i dont think that 5c is going to bring me any more clock ...

here: tower 120 = Nautilus 500 + 3c
http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/nautilus_5

here: Nautilus 500 = Swiftech Apex Ulktra
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=535&p=5


swiftech ultra is the best WC kit i think (exclude custom which cost more, $300ish??). cost $250, and for what? 3c drop in temps?? no thanks


all of those sites dont even come close to doing a proper cooling review.

if you want watercooling information and testimonies goto the watercooling section.

procooling has good waterblock reviews.

[theteamaqua]

can u show what tmeps ur getting b4 aftger WC??

[eXa]

well load tmep is around 54, 55c. ignore the begining.. actaully vcore is 1.55v idle and 1.47v load ...

thats what i thought cuz by lowering coupel degree i doubt WC can really increase any clock at all ....

notice this is vcore 1.5935v in BIOS the maximum vcore that can be set...


if u get piss ur tmep is over 40c ... then no air can do that... especially my vcore is the maximum the baord can give to the cpu ...

whoa, that is a huge drop in voltage! :eek:

[theteamaqua]

ha i like ur sig , that is world class boob

abnywya yeah, for some reason during load its not getting enough voltage at all...