Project Illuminati - Dual Loop WC Worklog

[Sneaky]

Alright, since I've always posted my worklogs over at OC Forums, I thought I'd let you guys in on my project and post another worklog over here so you can see whats going on.


Anyways, its a dual loop water cooling system going inside a custom black wrinke powdercoated MM U2-UFO cube case... here's the specs:



CPU Water Cooling:

CPU Block: Little River Waterblocks Storm G5 - HAVE

Radiator: Thermochill PA120.3 - HAVE

Radiator Shrouds: 2x Thermochill PS120.3 Shrouds + neoprene gaskets - HAVE

Pumps: 2x Laing DDC-2TP Rev. 2 "Plus" w/ Alphacool Acrylic Tops - HAVE

Fillport/Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES-MICRO Mini Reservoir - HAVE

Tubing: Masterkleer 7/16" ID, 5/8" OD (3/32" Wall) Tubing - HAVE

Hose Clamps: 8x 316 Stainless Steel Worm Drive Hose Clamps 7/16" to 25/32", 5/16" band - HAVE


GPU Water Cooling:

GPU Block: AquaXtreme MP-1 - HAVE

Radiator: HW Labs Black Ice Pro II - HAVE

Pumps: Laing DDC-2TP Rev. 2 "Plus" w/ Alphacool Acrylic Top - HAVE

Fillport/Reservoir: Swiftech MCRES-MICRO Mini Reservoir - HAVE

Tubing: Masterkleer 7/16" ID, 5/8" OD (3/32" Wall) Tubing - HAVE

Hose Clamps: 8x 316 Stainless Steel Worm Drive Hose Clamps 7/16" to 25/32", 5/16" band - HAVE



Enjoy!
-JR

[Sneaky]

ok, here's the first of lot of pics:



the case:


http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_zippo_1.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_zippo_2.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_zippo_3.jpg
(the black crackle zippo was what made me want a case with the same finish)


http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_2.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_3.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_4.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_5.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid1/u2ufo_6.jpg

[Sneaky]

100 feet of masterkleer 1/2" ID x 13/16" OD (5/32" wall) tubing :p:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid2/tubing.jpg

[Sneaky]

PA 120.3 with shrouds and 6 Arctic Cooling AF12025 120x25mm fans (56.3 CFM @ 24.5 dBA)

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_3.jpg


tapped the radiator shroud holes for 6-32:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_4.jpg

[Sneaky]

got my 2 Alphacool delrin Repack reservoirs in, as well as my 2 Alphacool Acrylic DDC mod tops:


edit: and BTW, thoes 120mm fan > hdd rack adapters are made of powdercoated aluminum


http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_13.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_14.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_17.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_16.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_15.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_19.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_20.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_21.jpg




drilling out the 1/4" opening in the front barb threads to a full 1/2" in both of the alphacool acrylic DDC covers


plugged the front port with a G1/4 fitting that i cut down:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_25.jpg


drilled in from the rear end starting with enlarging the hole from 1/4", to 5/16", then to 3/8", and finally to 1/2":

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_26.jpg


with each drill bit, i drilled until i hit the back side of the cut-down fitting that i used as a plug to protect the threads from being drilled out with the hole:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_27.jpg



before:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_22.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_19.jpg

after:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_23.jpg
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_24.jpg

[Sneaky]

the goods I got from danger den:

(the MAG II LE pump sucks camel penis... its getting returned as soon as I have time to call DD, and another DDC-2 w/ acrylic top being purchased)

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_28.jpg

[Sneaky]

my two DDC Rev. 2's w/ Alphacool tops & Danger Den G1/4 High-Flow barbs:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_38.jpg


and my two Delrin Alphacool Repack reservoirs w/ Danger Den G1/4 High-Flow barbs:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_39.jpg

[Sneaky]

while i was pulling parts out of my PC to prep it for WC, i had a crazy freakin idea to mount the floppy drive in the second PSU bracket above the motherboard... so i grabbed a sheet of 1/16" aluminum that i had, cut it out on the scroll saw, drilled a few holes, and bam! you have the sickest floppy drive relocation that i've ever seen :D


http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_40.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_41.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_42.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_43.jpg



got my 2 Alphacool Delrin Repack reservoirs mounted (sexy, eh?)

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_44.jpg



got my 2 DDC-2 pumps mounted to run in series - i have a 12x12" sheet of 1/2" clear gel rubber coming from mcmaster (same stuff as petras tech "gel stuff") that i'm going to put behind/under the pumps to isolate vibration from the case

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_45.jpg



i also drilled out all the holes in the original hard drive rack, and added rubber grommets to it - i will actually be using this for the hard drives, and you'll see how its all going to work out once i get some 2" 6-32 threaded standoffs from mcmaster

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_49.jpg




... and i got my PA 120.3 w/ shouds mounted

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_46.jpg




last pic: this is my computer as it currently sits while i prep/mod my case for water cooling

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_47.jpg

[creidiki]

Fan stats are a little overoptimistic (i wonder how far they measured the noise from).

But anyway, looks good. Should have gotten an MP-1 for the GPU, Maze 4 wont see the flow differene between DDC-Pro and Ultra...

[Sneaky]

i haven't gotten anything for the GPU - its not set in stone yet

i've been considering going with a EK-FCX1900 full cover block as well


and IDK, the fans push more air than yates, and are just a little bit louder, but not over 30dba for sure - all i know is that i LOVE the AF12 fans so far

[SiGfever]

When did you get your case? I didn't think that they were shipping that hard drive rack anymore. I was told by Ben that all new cases ship with the new 120mm fan mountable drive racks. :confused:

http://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=325

[eXa]

wow cool finish.
Why 6 fans on the rad? ill bet you could remove 3 of them and se no difference in temp!

[creidiki]

i haven't gotten anything for the GPU - its not set in stone yet

i've been considering going with a EK-FCX1900 full cover block as well


and IDK, the fans push more air than yates, and are just a little bit louder, but not over 30dba for sure - all i know is that i LOVE the AF12 fans so far
Yeah, they have good air/noise ratios.

Oh and you might wanna test the double shroud, Radiacal_53 only saw a perf difference for push-pull over just pull @4v, IIRC...

[Sneaky]

well the case i got a while ago... so i guess i have one of the older HDD racks that mounts over the 120mm fans to the back of the case itself

[_G_]

have you seen this dual DDC top yet
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=2561
looks like a series setup(useless for dual loop)

[SiGfever]

well the case i got a while ago... so i guess i have one of the older HDD racks that mounts over the 120mm fans to the back of the case itself
Man it sure does look good! :toast:

You have a very fine build coming together. :clap: :clap:

[OCme]

I'm really diggen that black wrinke powdercoated case you have. Keep the pictures of your progress coming...

[Sneaky]

_G_ - i'm running the DDC's in series anyways for the CPU lop... and though that DDC top looks nice, from what i've heard, it doesn't perform anything like two DDC's in a true series configuration connected via tubing

[Sneaky]

around 1:30 AM I finished re-installing the PA 120.3 minus the shrouds (they just took up so much damn room!), and also installed the BIX II while I was at it:


http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_50.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_51.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_52.jpg

[creidiki]

Youll get better performance with 3 fans in pull with shroud than with 6 fans in push-pull with no shrouds.

Just fyi :)

How much did the custom paintjob cost?

[Nagaru]

Wow looking crazy, can't wait to see it done.

[InTheFlow]

Looking good! Is this your first MM case? If so, I bet you'll never go back to a regular case again! ;)

[Sneaky]

Youll get better performance with 3 fans in pull with shroud than with 6 fans in push-pull with no shrouds.

Just fyi :)

How much did the custom paintjob cost?
*shrug* i'll just run the 6 fans, a PA 120.3 cooling a CPU is plenty, no matter what arrangement of fans i run on it LOL

and btw, it was a custom powdercoat - it cost $125 above the cost of a brushed (plain finish) case - so $425 total + shipping... expensive, but damn worth it



Looking good! Is this your first MM case? If so, I bet you'll never go back to a regular case again! ;)
nope! the case before this was a MM U2-UFO 120.3 in gloss black with the old clamshell top ;)

and no, i can't own another case - i cannot own anything except for a gigantic cube now, swear to god! (though i am probably just going to get a lian-li to run the server in for next year's LAN's at school (just going to use currently presler rig stuff for that... then the cube houses conroe dual-loop watercooled goodness :toast: )

[4Qman]

This is looking awsome, Keep the pics coming.

[Sneaky]

more pics to come on monday when more goods from mcmaster come

[Radical_53]

Looks good. Even if one PA 120.3 would have been sufficient for your hardware :)
As creidiki said, I'd recommend just 3 fans with a shroud. Adding 3 fans in push to that didn't give me more than a .1° advantage, so that's nothing more than margin of error.

[Sneaky]

well, i'm probably going to go with SLI/crossfire once the next gen cards are out... so that will take advantage of the separate GPU loop

and at the time that i originally started planning a dual loop system, i had put some serious thought into doing a dual 3ghz woodcrest xeon setup...

[eXa]

yeah. get rid of 3 of those fans. use 1 shroud instad. should perform just as good with less noise!

[krueml]

Looks very good, nicely done!

[Radical_53]

@sneaky: Well, for CF two rads should be an advantage. But even for SLI, you normally don't need more than one PA 120.3.
Looking forward to your results and more pics!

[creidiki]

*shrug* i'll just run the 6 fans, a PA 120.3 cooling a CPU is plenty, no matter what arrangement of fans i run on it LOL
2x the noise for 0 performance improvement? Sorry, just doesent make sense to me O.o

[nealh]

damn nice looking....

Awesome equipment...love the case...damn too much for my budget and the wife would murder me dead....

[SiGfever]

I have my PA120.3 setup with (1) shroud on the pull side with (3) Yate Loons and (3) 67cfm fans with gaskets on both sides undervolted through a Sunbeam Rheobus. I also use the metal filter grills which add some restriction. So far I have been very happy with this setup. I have considered removing the three push fans and replace them with another shroud?

@Radical_53 & creidiki,

What do you guys think? :confused:

[creidiki]

just remove them, period.

either use the yates or the 67cfm'ers. multi-fan on a PA is like stacking multiple pumps on a Maze 4 CPU block all by its lonesome...

[Getttosmurf]

2x the noise for 0 performance improvement? Sorry, just doesent make sense to me O.o

same thing on bip3 with yate loons ? 3 with shroud better then 6 with shroud ?

[xXxDieselxXx]

Wow..! Me drooling :slobber: when I see my case makes me want to kick it out of my room.

Lol could not hold this but with those 2 fan loaded radiators one on each corner I won't be surprised if the UFO case starts spinning around :banana: :D :banana:

[creidiki]

better? no. same performance? probably.

fpi on bip is higher though, so the threashold will probably be a few v higher, meaning you might see up to 1k @ 4v (guesstimate)

[SiGfever]

just remove them, period.

either use the yates or the 67cfm'ers. multi-fan on a PA is like stacking multiple pumps on a Maze 4 CPU block all by its lonesome...
Done!

Now just (3) Yate Loons in a pull configuration using the shroud and going through the Sunbeam Rheobus.

[Shpoon]

I personally am undecided between the yates or the s-flexs.

Looking good though sneaky...wish I could afford all that, seems like it's going to be cramped though.

But anyway, looks good. Should have gotten an MP-1 for the GPU, Maze 4 wont see the flow differene between DDC-Pro and Ultra...

What was meant by that? How restrictive is the MP-1?

[Radical_53]

@shpoon: I'd recommend Yates. Gave me better performance than the S-Flex, lower price and better noise too.

@sig: Well, noticed a difference? Normally, on a rad like that, one side + shroud should be all you'd ever need.

[creidiki]

What was meant by that? How restrictive is the MP-1?
Not really noticeably more so that youd see a reduction in prformance of your CPU block, but its a pin-grid block which benefits more from high flow.

[Shpoon]

@shpoon: I'd recommend Yates. Gave me better performance than the S-Flex, lower price and better noise too.

@sig: Well, noticed a difference? Normally, on a rad like that, one side + shroud should be all you'd ever need.

Really? They're rated at higher CFM and lower dBA levels than the yates...

SFF21F
120x120x25mm

1,600rpm

28.0 dBA

63.7 CFM

0.20A

VS


# Model: D12SL-12
# Air Flow: 47 CFM
# Fan Speed: 1350 RPM
# Noise Level: 28 dBA
# Power: 1.8 watt

Though the yates are 1/2 the price...

[Radical_53]

Rated, yes. Tested, no :) Don't ever believe fan stats.

I compared the 1200rpm S-Flex to the D12-SL, both at same rpm with a controller. Yate was clearly better.

[eXa]

oh really, so ratings is what we trust?

[Radical_53]

It's hard if you're trying to get some new fans, but if you want so switch out some old ones, it's quite easy to compare. Noise, everyone can hear that. Performance, just take a measurement with each kind and you'll see how accurate the ratings were.
They do sell many "silent" fans over here, most of them are way over-rated.

[creidiki]

You should try my 74CFM 14dBA SilenXs... hint: they got a thick layer o' dust on 'em since I got me Yates. (yes, im drunk again)

[ferrari_freak]

Looking forward to more pictures man, awesome work so far! Too bad I could never afford that lol :p:.

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Praxis1452]

You should try my 74CFM 14dBA SilenXs... hint: they got a thick layer o' dust on 'em since I got me Yates. (yes, im drunk again)
you actually believed their specs??? :p: shame

[Shpoon]

Rated, yes. Tested, no :) Don't ever believe fan stats.

I compared the 1200rpm S-Flex to the D12-SL, both at same rpm with a controller. Yate was clearly better.

Obviously, taken with a grain of salt, but unfortunately, I have to take your opinion too. Unless I find a review, of course I'm going to belive the manufacturors.

[Sneaky]

hint: guys this is a project/build log... not a argument about what fans are best (somehow this got started with a discussion about shroud and fan arrangement)


and these AF12 fans employ the same fluid dynamic bearing technology as the scythe s-flex fans, and for about one third of the price, so i'm happy, i'm not changing fans... and for now, the PA 120.3 will run with 6 fans in push/pull without shrouds - its only cooling my CPU after all

[creidiki]

Yeah but my question remains: why use 6 fans when you can get the same performance with half the noise by using 3?

And might as well get used to treads getting temporarily derailed, I remember one I posted about cheapo flowmeters that degenerated into a quantum mechanics discussion...

[Sneaky]

i'm used to noise... i ran the same case with 6 39dba deltas @ 9v, and 6 more 34dba deltas @ 12v... so even a little more noise from quieter fans doesn't bother me one bit... but i know its a hell of alot quieter than it was before LOL



edit: plus having 3 fans on the push side aids me in the mounting of the radiator (the fans are tapped for 10-32 screws, and i mount it to the case that way)

[SiGfever]

i'm used to noise... i ran the same case with 6 39dba deltas @ 9v, and 6 more 34dba deltas @ 12v... so even a little more noise from quieter fans doesn't bother me one bit... but i know its a hell of alot quieter than it was before LOL



edit: plus having 3 fans on the push side aids me in the mounting of the radiator (the fans are tapped for 10-32 screws, and i mount it to the case that way)
First off, sorry about derailing the thread.

I picked up (12) 6-32 x 1/2" Phillip oval head brass machine screws and they worked like a champ into my PA120.3 through the front fan grills. Much quieter and so far my temps are a tiny bit better if anything. The room ambientwas actually hotter when I started it back up and my temps never rose.

P.S. Keep the pictures coming!:toast: :toast:

[InTheFlow]

I picked up (12) 6-32 x 1/2" Phillip oval head brass machine screws and they worked like a champ into my PA120.3

I did pretty much the same thing except I used the screws that came with the RAD because they were black. Before I mounted it, I made sure that they would not puncture the tubes. Works great.

And I can't resist...my favorite fan is the yate loon. I've tried the scythe's & silenx fans. They make a strange noise to me. And the manufacture's specs are WAY over-rated.

I even did my own subjective test on all three together. The yate loons put out a comparable amount of air for much less noise..both bearing/motor and air turbulance noise. If you decide to undervolt the YLs they become even more quiet.

Lookin forward to Monday's pictures Sneaky! Don't get all excited about your new stuff and forget to take pictures for us. :D

[Sneaky]

lol... i have work 9-6 on monday *sigh* so pics will be up on either my lunch break or once i get home at 6

[ShoNuff]

cut...

edit: plus having 3 fans on the push side aids me in the mounting of the radiator (the fans are tapped for 10-32 screws, and i mount it to the case that way)

I was going to ask you how you would mount your PA120.3 using the screws you currently have in a pull only config. I have mine set up the way yours is now. The only difference is that I am using Papst fans.

Anyway...Nice job! I really like that finish on the case. :up:

[Sneaky]

got my pumps sleeved and then mounted with petras "gel stuff" underneath them (not from petras - but the exact same stuff from mcmaster-carr)

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_53.jpg



and also replaced the socket cap M4 threaded screws on the alphacool delrin repack reservoirs with black oxide button head M4 screws:

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_54.jpg

[creidiki]

are the stickers on both sides? because the pumps are actually slightly asymmetical, so it looks from here like you mounted one of the tops wrong.

[Sneaky]

no, you can mount the top onto the pump any way you want - i just mounted the pumps differently so that the wires are pointing in the direction i wanted them to

[creidiki]

You can mount them any way you want but the impellers will be slightly out of alignement, or so ive been informed many a time.

[septim]

what kind, out of aligned did you mean...

tried afixing my radiical turbohead, and it still looks the same all sides...
(i was actually wonder if i should move the sticker...)

[InTheFlow]

Ahh, you remembered us Sneaky! :toast:

[Sneaky]

You can mount them any way you want but the impellers will be slightly out of alignement, or so ive been informed many a time.


IDK how orientation matters when a pump is lying down... and i've been told that the orientation of the pump doesn't matter as long as long as the inlet isnt facing down... so turning the pump motor shouldn't have any effect on performance or whatever... i really don't know how turning a pump on its side, etc. will force an impeller out of allignment :confused:

[SiGfever]

I don't think that he means it being on its side is the issue. I think he is talking about the plexi tops orientation over the pump's impeller.

[creidiki]

Thats what I mean. The impeller's position is not perfectly centered, so if you mount the top wrong it will go out of alignement and wear out faster/underperform.

Or so I've been told.

[ferrari_freak]

Looking good so far Sneaky. Keep us updated :toast: .

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Sneaky]

Thats what I mean. The impeller's position is not perfectly centered, so if you mount the top wrong it will go out of alignement and wear out faster/underperform.

Or so I've been told.


eh? not perfectly centered? why would it not be centered?

[creidiki]

Its the design of the pump. Go ask Laing why the pump is not perfectly symmetrical.

[ShoNuff]

Its the design of the pump. Go ask Laing why the pump is not perfectly symmetrical.

Hmmm...that is good to know. I wonder if Alphacool/Radiical compensated for this when designing their tops? Radiical claims mounting versatitliy as one of the features of their tops.

[creidiki]

Well, I'd love to have someone measure it out with a caliber to see if its actually true 1st...

[septim]

sneaky maybe we should measure our tops and post pics... (mine is radiical)

radiical turbohead is a square of 62*62mm with diagonal of 82*82mm
inside circle with diameter of 39.5mm on different points
and 11mm from side of circle to outer square

the red impeller of ddc+ has a diameter of 36.5mm (very round all around)
the body of the ddc+ is also a square with almost same measurement with the radiical top

while trying to mount the top all sides, i notice 1.5mm allowance from the impeller
to the sides of the inside circle of the radiical top

my conclusion is we can mount the radiical top anywhich way...

[sdkevin]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/sdkevin/DDC9.jpg

[Sneaky]

started routing the tubing:


http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_56.jpg
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[Sneaky]

finished plumbing the loop:

http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_59.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_60.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_61.jpg


and some classic waterblock pr0n:
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_58.jpg

[InTheFlow]

Nice Work...so did you plumb it with the mainboard tray in there temporarily so you knew how much tubing to use or just guesstimate it?

[ferrari_freak]

Looking really neat so far. That G5 sure looks shmexy :banana: .

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Sneaky]

i have a cardboard template for the LGA775 holes and exactly where they are in the case ;)

so i just taped that in place and plumbed the rest for the CPU block :)

[SiGfever]

That is a hell of a lot of horsepower and cooling potential for just a cpu block. That baby is going to scream! :toast: :woot: :clap:

[Sneaky]

finally got it filled up and is currently bleeding/leak testing

and damn! that reservoir looks freakin' hot when its filled up!


http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill__wc_1.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill__wc_2.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill__wc_3.jpg
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http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill__wc_5.jpg
http://mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill__wc_6.jpg

[septim]

hmm with that much parts goin into the case
i would think that 1 PSU for the cpu mobo and gpu,
then another for the water cooling pumps and fans...

[Sneaky]

not necessary - i have this beast:

http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/p3mid2/zippy_1.jpg


Zippy/Emacs PSL-6701P-SATA 700w PSU w/ Full PFC - 45a 12v rail :)


might upgrade to the Zippy PSL-6850P 850w that has a 60a 12v rail :rehab:

[psyconut713]

excuse me while i wipe my mouth, damn...i got some drool on my shirt

[InTheFlow]

and damn! that reservoir looks freakin' hot when its filled up!


And ladies and gents, that would be the understatement of the year...

I'm not usually a fan of very bright green but it looks really good with your case color...what did you use to make it that bright:cool: ?

[septim]

lolz, i think safer upgrade for your PSU would be those rated for quad sLi at 1000++w

[creidiki]

Which is of course absolutely unnecessary (read: waste of money for no advantage whatsosver) as 750W is ample for PresHOT + Quad SLi.

[psyconut713]

just look at the lenght of all those pretty, wraped cables

[septim]

i think he has lots to spare... nice case paint and going 4 ddc+ and tops...

[psyconut713]

when are your pumps and GPU block coming in?
i think we are all getting a little egar to see it all done and see some numbers

[Sneaky]

the GPU pump i've yet to order, but it will just be a single DDC-2, or i might pick up a MCP-350 (DDC-1) from a guy in the classifieds because the GPU blocks dont need the pressure of a DDC-2 in all honesty


the GPU blocks just shipped from cooltechnica today (2 MP-1's), so they should be here on friday or saturday


and the water - EVERYONE always asks me - its UV Green dye from www.frozencpu.com - it KICKS ASS!!!




and yes... the cables on the zippy PSU's are 2.5ft long, i kid you not

[Shpoon]

Sexy looking, though those cables may be a b*tch to route in that little case...they're MASSIVE!

[eXa]

the GPU pump i've yet to order, but it will just be a single DDC-2, or i might pick up a MCP-350 (DDC-1) from a guy in the classifieds because the GPU blocks dont need the pressure of a DDC-2 in all honesty


no! you need the +... :wasntme:

[psyconut713]

no matter what she says, size does matter, get the bigger pump

[eXa]

lol....

[Jochenp]

I think we all want to see this turn out the biggest watercooling monster EVER :D Get the bigger pump TWICE! ;) Toghether with a 120.3PA to replace the BIX ;)

[Sneaky]

I think we all want to see this turn out the biggest watercooling monster EVER :D Get the bigger pump TWICE! ;) Toghether with a 120.3PA to replace the BIX ;)

you understand that i'm not on crack, correct? :stick:

[Jochenp]

Yeah I do and I hope you understand I was joking? :p:

[creidiki]

I wanna see 2x MD-30s in there, pronto.

[Jochenp]

Nah, only an MD 100 would do the trick with a rad from a truck.
For GPU only :)

[eXa]

as long as you get something else than the mcp350 ill be happy(yes i DO need to switch out my L20...;) )

:D

[creidiki]

Seriously, whats wrong with the MCP350? Standard-top DDC-1 is still on avg. 0.5c behind the D5 in most loops.

Money would be better spent on a better rad than that HWLabs elcheapo piece of kit, if youre chasing that last half degree.

[eXa]

are you asking me? you did get my point? no point for him to get 18w version over the 10w version...

its just that I want that pump!:p:

[creidiki]

I blame lack of cake.

[eXa]

i picture u a bit like cartman only (weird enough) not that big...
Gets distracted easily with snack...
*oh cheesy snack, i loove cheesy snack.....*

[creidiki]

192cm, 69kg =p

[eXa]

really! i thought i was a bit skinny... 183, 65kg....

edit: this got really ot... but still funny!

[septim]

tsk tsk more cake for creidiki
mayb some for sneaky, speed boost
we're all eager to see this monster of a project...

[phelan1777]

I say we send Crediki some of that ollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllld fashion Christams Fruit cake that almost no one eats, I am sure he would love it ;)

[Sneaky]

2 AquaXtreme MP-1 GPU blocks, 1 DDC-2, and 1 Alphacool acrylic DDC top have been ordered to complete my GPU loop :)

[Sneaky]

ok... after two days of running my WC loop on and off (not attached to components yet), i've become disappointed in the alphacool repack reservoirs - yes, they look amazing, but after running them, especially with two pumps, theres just not enough room for bubbles to go anywhere in them, and the air just recirculates back into the loop and gets stuck in the top plenum chamber of my PA 120.3


i'm either going to pick up 2 of the alphacool cape bulleye delrin reservoirs (the round ones), 2 clear acrylic danger den 5.25" bay reservoirs, or 2 swiftech mcres-micros to replace them

i just can't justify the looks of something when it doesn't function as it should/do its job properly (well, i guess it does its job as a reservoir - it holds water, but it SUCKS for bleeding air out of the loop, and i've tried EVERYTHING to try and get air bled out with this res, and it just isn't going to happen :mad: )

[Timmay]

Which is of course absolutely unnecessary (read: waste of money for no advantage whatsosver) as 750W is ample for PresHOT + Quad SLi.

B!tch please, they don't call this XtremeSystems for nothing.

I smell jealousy.

[Shpoon]

B!tch please, they don't call this XtremeSystems for nothing.

I smell jealousy.

Xtreme, not stupid.

That's why people take joy in overclocking low priced CPUs...

You can't even USE most of the wattage, so why buy it? At least 4 cores can be used for benchmarking, if not real-world things. :slap:

[Timmay]

You can use all that wattage for benching the PSU, maybe not real-world things.

Why should we only bench CPU's/GPU's? hell people out there still bought Quad SLI, but you can't use it, same goes for most people with MASSIVE loads of HDD space, they don't use it all, so why bother... Because its nice to have.

[septim]

my my thats too bad that the bleed port on the PA is at the bottom...

[eXa]

2 AquaXtreme MP-1 GPU blocks, 1 DDC-2, and 1 Alphacool acrylic DDC top have been ordered to complete my GPU loop :)

og so you didnt get the pump either. did he answer you? havent heard a thing, just saw that it was moved to sold section :slapass:

[whoodiestyle]

why did you need 100foot of tubing? but nice so far

[ShoNuff]

ok... after two days of running my WC loop on and off (not attached to components yet), i've become disappointed in the alphacool repack reservoirs - yes, they look amazing, but after running them, especially with two pumps, theres just not enough room for bubbles to go anywhere in them, and the air just recirculates back into the loop and gets stuck in the top plenum chamber of my PA 120.3


i'm either going to pick up 2 of the alphacool cape bulleye delrin reservoirs (the round ones), 2 clear acrylic danger den 5.25" bay reservoirs, or 2 swiftech mcres-micros to replace them

i just can't justify the looks of something when it doesn't function as it should/do its job properly (well, i guess it does its job as a reservoir - it holds water, but it SUCKS for bleeding air out of the loop, and i've tried EVERYTHING to try and get air bled out with this res, and it just isn't going to happen :mad: )

I'm sorry to hear that as I have the same res sitting in front of me. Have you thought about adding a T-Line and just keeping the res for aesthetic purposes?

[creidiki]

Welcome to single-bay reservoirs sneaky.

When will people learn that small reses and strong pumps just dont work unless you keep them filled to the brim 24/7, and that defeats the purpose of reses?

[psyconut713]

i love my 2 bay res, works great, filled to the brim with some nice blue PC-ice :D

[Sneaky]

og so you didnt get the pump either. did he answer you? havent heard a thing, just saw that it was moved to sold section :slapass:
yup, he never replied to my PM about it - i went to the thread when i saw a second post in it, and it was gone *shrug*



anyways, i ordered 2 mcres-micro's last night and have a decent plan for them (mounting and tubing wise)


(kinda pissed off at myself that i ordered the DDC-2 from danger den... voyeurmods.com had the MCP350's on sale for dirt cheap when i went over there to browse through reservoirs after my order at DD had already been processed... oh well)

[sdkevin]

DDC pumps from Danger Den are 18w version, Voyeurmods sold 10w version!

[septim]

mis advertising a product, tsk tsk...
dang hard to get an mcres-micro...

[Shpoon]

You can use all that wattage for benching the PSU, maybe not real-world things.

Why should we only bench CPU's/GPU's? hell people out there still bought Quad SLI, but you can't use it, same goes for most people with MASSIVE loads of HDD space, they don't use it all, so why bother... Because its nice to have.

You can use Quad-SLi...they can use the HDD space for storage :slap:

You don't bench a PSU...you can test it, and go "oh, that's some stable rails" but it doesn't contribute to scores.

[bestmancajun]

Ya the single bays are pointless. The double bay reserviors can be filled with even the most powerfull pumps running. You can easily leak test any connection thats sits higher then the water line in your rez. Turn off pump, open lid to rez, then wiggle all connections higher then water line in the rez. If you do have a leak air will be vacumed in the line at the faulty connection. If you have a leaking connection below the water line in your rez, it will it will spit out coolent. So keep that in mind. IMO thats why rez should be placed at the bottom of cases. You can leak test by sucking in air, instead of spiting out coolant...

[Sneaky]

got my swiftech mcres-micro's in from SVC today:


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_7.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_8.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_9.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_10.jpg



now hopefully it works better then the repack's at bleeding... we will see later tonight

[SiGfever]

I think that you will very happy with how fast that little res bleeds your system. I purchased the model with the top threaded G 1/4 so I could use my fill-port until I got the air out. A t-line is nice but it takes sooooooooo long to process all the air out of the system, the res made quick work of it.

[Sneaky]

I think that you will very happy with how fast that little res bleeds your system. I purchased the model with the top threaded G 1/4 so I could use my fill-port until I got the air out. A t-line is nice but it takes sooooooooo long to process all the air out of the system, the res made quick work of it.

which one has a G1/4 threaded top? i don't think mines a G1/4 top, as none of my G1/4 fittings will thread into it correctly

[SiGfever]

which one has a G1/4 threaded top? i don't think mines a G1/4 top, as none of my G1/4 fittings will thread into it correctly
Check out the "Options" listing. It cost more here but it was the only place I could find one tapped G 1/4.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318&products_id=3615

[septim]

so far it is the only one with that option.

swiftech direct don't even have options
wonder if petra's will offer that option...

[Sneaky]

i think PPC modifies them... swiftech doesn't offer it AFAIK

[Sneaky]

got the first loop (CPU) filled and fully bleeded with one of the swiftech mcres-micro's tonight - res works great, but i got one defective one that had bad threads in the plexi of the res (fittings were fine) and the threads of the fitting would just slip out like it was nothing (never overtightened, etc.) and the other res was fine

already ordered a new res to replace it, i'm not even going to bother with attempting to RMA something with SVC after the stories i've heard


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_11.jpg



cooltechnica also should be shipping my 2 MP-1 GPU blocks on monday or tuesday after a slight delay with mounting hardware not being in stock

[psyconut713]

i cant wait to this thing up and running, lots of good work man

[ferrari_freak]

Looks awesome so far, and the colour looks really cool too. Keep it up. :toast:

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Sneaky]

drilled a few holes to re-mount the mcres-micro in order to clear up the 2 5.25" bays below them for optical drives


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_12.jpg

[SiGfever]

Don't forget that the outside of the drive cage makes a great mounting point without putting the liquid directly over your electronics. I removed the fill-port after fully blleding the system. All of my wiring has been redone since these pictures were taken.


http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/479/img1089medium0rm.jpg


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9800/img1088medium7xp.jpg

[creidiki]

I still dont understand the point of reservoirs, epecially internal ones that dont even have a "bling" point.

just looks like one more potential leak/noise point to me... :confused:

[SiGfever]

I still dont understand the point of reservoirs, epecially internal ones that dont even have a "bling" point.

just looks like one more potential leak/noise point to me... :confused:

I was worried about the leak factor but there is no noise at all. As a matter of fact when it is full there is very very little turbulence. And I wanted class not bling.

I check it constantly since I can see it beside me to make sure that everything is o-k. If it becomes a problem then back to a T-line for me.

[creidiki]

But then... whats the point to the res if you have to keep it filled to the neck with a line to prevent noise? I dot get it...

[septim]

its inside the drive cage so that he/we can see it from the front...
maybe he'll make nice covering bezel for the 5*1/2 ...

from my point of view, standing res like mcres-micro will produce less or no noise
vs drive bay horizontal res, because pump will not be sucking in air (micro, air bleed on top)
drive res, need to constantly filled so that water level will not drop below barb fitting top producing that sucking in air noise...

[InTheFlow]

Nice work Sneaky!

Glad you added your pics Sig...I have one of those RESs too and was going to put it where you did but doing so was going to increase my loop size a good bit. I also need that side space for drives (the screws that is) and wiring running so I wound up going with just a Wye-Line. It is a bit time consuming on the air removal but once its gone, its gone. :)

[SiGfever]

Nice work Sneaky!

Glad you added your pics Sig...I have one of those RESs too and was going to put it where you did but doing so was going to increase my loop size a good bit. I also need that side space for drives (the screws that is) and wiring running so I wound up going with just a Wye-Line. It is a bit time consuming on the air removal but once its gone, its gone. :)
I will repost some pictures after my new CPU gets here and I will be trying a MP-05 SP LE waterblock as well. I am almost embaraced to post my rig after seeing yours. :slobber:

[InTheFlow]

I will repost some pictures after my new CPU gets here and I will be trying a MP-05 SP LE waterblock as well.

Lookin forward to seeing it and hearing how you like the MP-05. :D

[Sneaky]

1 thing about reservoirs - I HAVE NEVER had to fill one after setting up the loop, even 3 or 4 months later

same thing with t-line setups that i've used - never had to top it off, etc.


so i don't know what the sudden argument of "why use a res when you need to keep using it" is, that i've seen around here alot lately


and over the front, i can't decide if i want to put a clear cover over it so you can see the reservoirs (though its not very entertaining, as theres no turbulence at all except for at the very top)... or if i want to put a black cover over it and hide the reservoirs and just keep it looking clean


what do you guys think?

clear cover over reservoirs in the front, or a black cover?

[SiGfever]

I have a Mountain Mods black bay cover. The res is NOT entertaining as I have to stare at it just to see movement of the liquid. I do know that the difference in bleeding my system was night and day and if I don't experience problems with this res I wil continue to use it.

I do wish that it was Delrin with an acrylic level indicator built in. But I don't want to change the internal design as it works great.

[Sneaky]

well anything made out of delrin needs to be straight out machined, or connected with screws and o-rings - it can't just be glued together with a solvent like acrylic

would just be a huge PITA to manufacture somelike like the mcres-micro out of delrin, and i've personally never had anything bad happen to me with acrylic as far as watercooling goes

[InTheFlow]

clear cover over reservoirs in the front, or a black cover?

I'd say if the green coolant is UV reactive and you plan on using blacklights in the rig, it would look good to have the clear...otherwise I'd for sure go with the clean black panel look. You could even have Ben do an etching on it for you of some personal image you like...

[Timmay]

You can use Quad-SLi...they can use the HDD space for storage :slap:

You don't bench a PSU...you can test it, and go "oh, that's some stable rails" but it doesn't contribute to scores.


When it first came out you couldn't - not atleast with out hacked drivers.

Scores? What are you, all about e-peen? :clap:

[septim]

make it like a cassete deck with the floppy drive flip out to insert floppy and close it when not in use...:banana: :banana:

just put a black plate over it if you dont plan on staring at it whole day...
or put it outside drive cage if possible and use drive cage on something else...

[Sneaky]

i might get rid of the floppy all along now - friend finally got me a flash drive that i was meaning to get forever... so i'll just use it as a bootable flash drive for BIOS, etc. which will eliminate the need for the floppy all together *shrug*

[bestmancajun]

Delrin or Acetal wouldn't make good reservoir. You would haft to injection blow mould it and yet the plastic wouldn't be a good choice for the process. You can't make big parts out of Delrin or Acetal. Blow moulding is much more costly then injection moulding. Delrin and acetal are not clear. You can find the reservoirs injection blow moulded out of high density polyethylene. But still, a acrylic rez is not cheap to make, you got to machine the entire thing. You can make two moulds for clear polycarbonate for injection moulding. It would look great (crystal clear), be MOFO strong, and there would be no extra machining keeping the cost low.

[Vice]

Very sexi.

[septim]

maybe if he has more time, and gave more effort, he'll make his own acrylic res...
to fit any shape and size he'd want...

[SiGfever]

Delrin or Acetal wouldn't make good reservoir. You would haft to injection blow mould it and yet the plastic wouldn't be a good choice for the process. You can't make big parts out of Delrin or Acetal. Blow moulding is much more costly then injection moulding. Delrin and acetal are not clear. You can find the reservoirs injection blow moulded out of high density polyethylene. But still, a acrylic rez is not cheap to make, you got to machine the entire thing. You can make two moulds for clear polycarbonate for injection moulding. It would look great (crystal clear), be MOFO strong, and there would be no extra machining keeping the cost low.
Yea, that sounds nice, MOFO strong.

This is my first acrylic res and I hope that it lasts and gives me no problems.

[creidiki]

Yup, trouble is the rather considerable initial upfront cost of the mould(s)...

[septim]

molds expensive...

DIY acrylic 1/2 or 3/8 inch thick...

i know just the size, bigger brother of an mcres-micro...

[psyconut713]

They ship your stuff yet Sneaky? When should your pumps and stuff get in? I can't wait to see this thing done, gonna be sexi as hell

[SiGfever]

We Need MORE pics!!!!! :stick:

[Timmay]

Same here, I'm itching to see more good work!

[Sneaky]

got my third DDC-2 and acrylic top in the other day, along with the rest of the standoffs for my hard drive rack to allow clearance of the radiator


i also just ordered a BIP II from danger den today, which i might use in place of the BIX II so give the hard drives more clearance from the optical drives


today i just got a new swiftech mcres-micro in from SVC after i got one with bad threads, and today cooltechnica also just shipped out my 2 MP-1 GPU blocks


WC will be done soon, then its just time to upgrade components :)


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_13.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_14.jpg

[Tanktanium]

Have you had any issues with the FCPU dye staining your tubing? I have D-TEK customs dye and it stains like a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:...

[Sneaky]

no staining issues with the frozen cpu dye unless you add too much (because its so concentrated... the UV green dye is dark red... almost black in the bottle)

[Sneaky]

confessions of a true water cooling addict:


you know you've spent too much money on pumps when you have 3 boxes from acrylic alphacool tops in your closet, each containing the stock top, hardware, and neoprene pad from a DDC-2 18w pump


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_15.jpg

[psyconut713]

i think there another thread for that

[septim]

lolz :banana: :banana: :banana:

more pictures pls...

bump bump...

[SiGfever]

Oh yea, you got it BAD!

Thank God that there is no cure for our illness. :D

[tommrussell]

Oh yea, you got it BAD!

Thank God that there is no cure for our illness. :D


oh yes there is and its called a WIFE

oh S**T did i say that please quick hide this response

[creidiki]

:lol2:

[Sneaky]

re did my WC loop for the third time within a week, and now i'm 100% satisfied with the CPU loop

swapped my uber thick masterkleer out for 7/16" stuff, as it was just too heavy for the bends i needed to do to make it all fit

so here's more pics for you with the new tubing flavor:

(as well as the hard drive rack installed with the 6-32 threaded standoffs)


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_16.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_17.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_18.jpg

[septim]

maybe you could share with up some of that 100ft tubing you have left over...
hehehe...

[bcbooter]

nice nice lets see some more
:banana:

[Sneaky]

maybe you could share with up some of that 100ft tubing you have left over...
hehehe...

as long as people pay for it, i have no problem with sharing - it sure as hell wasn't free for me LOL

[septim]

hehe, put in the mobo already so we could see it finish...

[ferrari_freak]

hehe, put in the mobo already so we could see it finish...

Yeah man we wanna see at least one loop finished. Btw, how much has/will this loop cost you including the custom work on the case?

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Noldor]

Yeah man we wanna see at least one loop finished. Btw, how much has/will this loop cost you including the custom work on the case?

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

I don't think that's important, but if you're curious, I bet it's really easy to just go to various etailers and add up the prices on the different components :stick:

[Sneaky]

got my aquaxtreme MP-1 GPU blocks today, and OOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOH they're DAMN puuuuuuurdy!


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_20.jpg



CPU Loop:

Storm G5 - $250
PA 120.3 - $130
2x DDC-2 - $160
2x Alphacool DDC top - $60
Mcres-Micro - $15
Tubing & Clamps - $15

Total: $630


GPU Loop:

2x AquaxXtreme MP-1 - $100
BIP II (en route) - $40
DDC-2 - $80
Alphacool DDC top - $30
Mcres-Micro - $15
Tubing & Clamps - $15

Total: $280



say what you want, yeah yeah yeah, I can buy phase change etc, and I'm not going to, and don't have plans to - any plans for sub zero cooling are up north right now... in Canada - I have a friend that is milling me a solid 3" copper DI/LN2 container, stepped base and all (but he's been busy as hell lately and hasn't been able to do the final outer milling... but when its done, it will be one of the best containers made to date (up by kingpin & mouse's))

[creidiki]

How can you compare silent watercooling with a compressor? lol. Wouldnt get phase or a chiller if they payed me.

...I also dont understand the point of LN2/DICE. If all you can use it for is benching, then its as useless as benching, imo. The whole concept of benching and time-limited supercooling leaves me confused, I have to admit.

[Sneaky]

...I also dont understand the point of LN2/DICE. If all you can use it for is benching, then its as useless as benching, imo. The whole concept of benching and time-limited supercooling leaves me confused, I have to admit.its called going to extremes to reach the extreme top of all extreme overclocks LOL... thus the name xtreme systems dot org


its like drag racing persay - you have it, you can drive it around and do your daily stuff in it, but when you feel like going to the extremes, fill up the tank with 106 octane racing fuel, hit the tracks, and spend a few hours getting a sub-10 second quarter mile, trying to beat other people who go to extremes like you

[creidiki]

*shrug* different strokes I guess. there's other extremes im interested in, and they all involve stuff that runs 24/7.

[Sneaky]

*shrug* different strokes I guess. there's other extremes im interested in, and they all involve stuff that runs 24/7.


thus why i've spent almost a grand on this water cooling setup alone ;)

[ferrari_freak]

I don't think that's important, but if you're curious, I bet it's really easy to just go to various etailers and add up the prices on the different components :stick:

I ask because you can't really get pricing on a G5... Anyways, another question for you guys, I've never seen a phase change unit, how loud is it really? And yeah, Creidiki I'm with you on spending thousands of dollars on something that you will only bench for 5 minutes with... But then again, this is Xtreme Systems not Xtremely Silent Systems... :fact:

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[creidiki]

Xtremely Silent is still xtreme, when youve got people with WR h2o OCs under their silent loops.

As for phase, it dpeneds on how strong the compressor is, the fans on the Phase unit's rad, and how the unit is tuned.

[SiGfever]

Plus the heat dump to the room is considerable. So you have noise pollution and temperature pollution. :eek:

[Sneaky]

sorry guys - no fancy updates yet, i'm still waiting for the BIP II to come so it can take the place of the BIX II thats in the right now (it just takes up too much damn space)


but when i get the rad in and everything plumbed - the insane dual loop WC system that i've dreamed of since i ever went hardcore into water cooling will be complete :rehab:

[septim]

yah its always the waiting that gets to us...

am still waiting for stock from cooltech, 3/8 barbs...

[ShoNuff]

sorry guys - no fancy updates yet, i'm still waiting for the BIP II to come so it can take the place of the BIX II thats in the right now (it just takes up too much damn space)


but when i get the rad in and everything plumbed - the insane dual loop WC system that i've dreamed of since i ever went hardcore into water cooling will be complete :rehab:

Any reason why you didn't choose a Thermochill 120.2 instead of the BIPII? Just curious.

Lookin' good so far. For the tenth time...I really like that finish on the U2-UFO.



Edit: correction

[InTheFlow]

I like how you mounted the hard drive bay with the standoffs...good thinkin! A great use of that space! :clap:

[eXa]

Any reason why you didn't choose a Thermochill 120.2 instead of the BIPII? Just curious.

Lookin' good so far. For the tenth time...I really like that finish on the U2-UFO.



Edit: correction

its just as thick(thicker?) than the bix! a pro should be enough anyways...

[Sneaky]

i wanted to get a PA 120.2 for the GPU, but the hole spacing on the back of the case matches the black ice series radiators, and not the thermochills

secondly, the PA 120.2 is 61mm thick, and even with a BIX II being 40mm thick, doesn't leave enough room between the optical drives and the hard drives - thus why i'm changing out the BIX II for a BIP II which is only 25mm thick, to give me more room

[septim]

you'd think that with a ufo case you'd have plenty of room available...

yah still waiting for this, bump bump...

[Sneaky]

with the BIX:

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_19.jpg

[Steve B]

less than a centimeter, that is tight:D

[septim]

very tight, maybe put it upright, lolz...

[Sneaky]

w00tsauce - rad and more G1/4 fittings are coming from DD tomorrow - WC will be finished soon... very soon :)

[SiGfever]

w00tsauce - rad and more G1/4 fittings are coming from DD tomorrow - WC will be finished soon... very soon :)
And then what will you do? ;)

[InTheFlow]

And then what will you do? ;)

Start a new project probably! LOL

[septim]

pool more funding for another proj...

build a museum for old watercooled rigs...

[Sneaky]

Start a new project probably! LOL
start upgrading components and then save up for aw car :toast:

[Sneaky]

put black heatshrink over the HDD rack standoffs:

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_21.jpg


and got the DDC-2 w/ alphacool top mounted in the HDD rack:

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_22.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/ill_wc_23.jpg

[The Dome]

How can you compare silent watercooling with a compressor? lol. Wouldnt get phase or a chiller if they payed me.

...I also dont understand the point of LN2/DICE. If all you can use it for is benching, then its as useless as benching, imo. The whole concept of benching and time-limited supercooling leaves me confused, I have to admit.

gotta show the size of your e-penis somehow :fact:

Anyways, great work so far and can't wait to see the finished product.

[InTheFlow]

put black heatshrink over the HDD rack standoffs:

Thats what I like to call a nice touch! I also like how you mounted the pump...I'm thinking of doing the same/similar when I change to a DDC pump loop.

Lookin sweet!

[ferrari_freak]

That's a really nice way of mounting the pump there. Have the parts arrived yet? Pics by this evening? :slobber:

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[Sneaky]

waiting for fedex at the moment



edit: rad and fittings came... installing them at the moment


also said f*** it and ordered a P5WDG2-WS Pro from ewiz :)

[stormshadow]

if you don't mind, i'd like to make a suggestion regarding the repack reservoirs and the issue you had w/ getting rid of the air bubbles.

the repacks have 3 holes back. inlet, LED/plug, & outlet.

the two outer holes are staggered in height.

ideally, the hole that goes to your pump (outlet) should be the lower one and the inlet should be the higer one.

what's happening is that your pump is trying to suck water from the higher hole that has somewhat varying water depths (due to sloshing etc).... unlike the lower hole that is constantly submerged.

also, in conjunction w/ slightly lowering the res's water level, you should be able to get rid of those bubbles just fine...

now - having said that, it looks like you moved to dual microres's...

you willing to sell a repack to me? :toast:

[Sneaky]

no, the pump was sucking water from the lower inlet so hose orientation wasn't the problem with it sucking air in - the res was just too small for such a powerful pump *shrug*


repack's are already sold and gone, and MCRES-MICROS have replaced them



my P5WDG2-WS already shipped from ewiz too! :banana:

[Shpoon]

no, the pump was sucking water from the lower inlet so hose orientation wasn't the problem with it sucking air in - the res was just too small for such a powerful pump *shrug*


repack's are already sold and gone, and MCRES-MICROS have replaced them



my P5WDG2-WS already shipped from ewiz too! :banana:

Pricey build....I thoguht the P5WDG2-WS wasn't much better at OCing than the DH?

[Sneaky]

needed more sata ports, plus the DH just isn't a mobo that i like so far...



not going to bother with captions, pics basically explain themselves:

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/2/ill_wc2_01.jpg
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[Sneaky]

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/2/ill_wc3_01.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati/2/ill_wc3_02.jpg
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[syne_24]

That looks nice bro.. I love the texture on that case.

[creidiki]

Lol! Well done on the complete lack of seals on the PAs fans, talk about wasted airflow.

All that work and youre shedding degrees here and there because you got lazy on the fan-rad gaskets =p

[Sneaky]

Lol! Well done on the complete lack of seals on the PAs fans, talk about wasted airflow.

All that work and youre shedding degrees here and there because you got lazy on the fan-rad gaskets =p


1. i feel just about zero airflow escaping through that gap, and a ton of it blowing through the rad

2. its a PA 120.3... its only cooling a CPU - lets talk about overkill here... and a few lost CFM through gaps in the fans is going to change CPU temps?... highly doubtful

[creidiki]

Dude... you put heatshrink on the standoffs for your HD box in a custom-painted case, did more work on cabling for one build than I've done in my entire time a computer freak, and then youd didnt even seal the fans to the rad.

Thats the equivalent of having your car hand-painted and the engine custom made and then using a 3rd-hand trasnsmission with 2 broken gears and a worn-out clutch.

Respect minus minus, dude ;)

[Sneaky]

i just needed something quick and easy - the heatshrink was easier than painting them (didn't need to mask threads, etc.) - the heatshrink matches the case color well and looks a hell of alot better than having raw aluminum standoffs


and P.S. - the case is powdercoated ;)

[Reinvented]

Dude... you put heatshrink on the standoffs for your HD box in a custom-painted case, did more work on cabling for one build than I've done in my entire time a computer freak, and then youd didnt even seal the fans to the rad.

Thats the equivalent of having your car hand-painted and the engine custom made and then using a 3rd-hand trasnsmission with 2 broken gears and a worn-out clutch.

Respect minus minus, dude ;)

Shut up Creidiki. :slap:

[creidiki]

Quiet you :p:

[JasonDTM]

Someone needs to talk to an Admin and get creidiki's user title changed to

"Xtreme Watercooling Critic"

I love the build so far... The wrinkled powdercoating looks slick as hell. :)

[Sneaky]

Someone needs to talk to an Admin and get creidiki's user title changed to

"Xtreme Watercooling Critic"


I think he's just jealous of my build... and he's gotta point out what I did "wrong" in order to feel more righteous, and reduce his jealousy over what I've done ;) :slapass:



btw crediki - do you like my heatsink dispenser? :stick:
(yes, i used priority mail stickers as tape... i don't want to hear about it!)

http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/hsd.jpg

[creidiki]

Just trying to help your rig's performance, ffs >.>

And holy crap, thats a lot of heatshrink. I've got some here but I never use it because I have no hairdryer or similar and using a lighter only gets your fingers singed. So I stick to clear spiral wrap.

[Sneaky]

Just trying to help your rig's performance, ffs >.>

And holy crap, thats a lot of heatshrink. I've got some here but I never use it because I have no hairdryer or similar and using a lighter only gets your fingers singed. So I stick to clear spiral wrap.

i know, i know... but honestly, if i knew it would give me a significant performance increase, i would do it - otherwise i basically say screw it to some things


i use a BIC lighter for heatshrinking, and have never burned myself on the flame - only on the heatshrink right after i take the flame off of it... or on the metal shroud on the lighter after it heats up from extended use :rolleyes:

its not much heatshrink - 25ft rolls of 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" polyolefin heatshrink from mcmaster-carr, but yes, it should last me a while :p:

[septim]

everyday i dig up something new to buy from mcmasters...

[anodynejd]

Someone needs to talk to an Admin and get Critiki's user title changed to

"Xtreme Watercooling Critic"

I love the build so far... The wrinkled powdercoating looks slick as hell. :)
Fixed :D

[Tanktanium]

i know, i know... but honestly, if i knew it would give me a significant performance increase, i would do it - otherwise i basically say screw it to some things


i use a BIC lighter for heatshrinking, and have never burned myself on the flame - only on the heatshrink right after i take the flame off of it... or on the metal shroud on the lighter after it heats up from extended use :rolleyes:

its not much heatshrink - 25ft rolls of 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" polyolefin heatshrink from mcmaster-carr, but yes, it should last me a while :p:


You could try using a candle lighter? A little more control over where you're heating and no chance of burning yourself on metal.

[septim]

bump up that sched of yours so we could finally see this thing come together...

PS: give creidiki some priority package cakes...

[stormshadow]

sick.

i wonder how much total water that thing pushes per hour...

[ferrari_freak]

Wow that looks awesome man. Now all that we need is final temps, OC results, some benchies and picks with the side panels on. @ Creidiki: Dude I have NEVER seen you complement anyones loop, you always seem to find some sort of error lmao :fact: :p: :toast:

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

[eXa]

2. its a PA 120.3... its only cooling a CPU - lets talk about overkill here... and a few lost CFM through gaps in the fans is going to change CPU temps?... highly doubtful

still ure using 6fans... drop 3 of them and stick a gasket on the other 3.

i agree with creidiki.
It so frustrating seeing this awsome bulid and then failing on such a easy thing...

But dont get me wrong, i love ur case\setup. im jealous...

[SiGfever]

O-K Sneaky,

That's quite enough pictures of those fantastic pumps. :slapass:

It is all that I can do not to whip out the plastic and order one. :D

But seeing three in one case is more than mortal man can handle. :nono:

[septim]

by the weekend i think we'll see some nice results from sneaky
now all we need is some popcorn, the suspence is like killing me...

[Sneaky]

current temp readings:


CPU idle @ 37ºC

CPU load @ 43ºC



GPU idle @ 36ºC

GPU load @ 41ºC


:rehab:

[nikhsub1]

But seeing three in one case is more than mortal man can handle. :nono:
Nice work Sneaky, believe me I know how much work went into that... I'm doing the same thing now with mine (yeah, still :stick: )

Oh and SiG, I am the MaStA OG of teh 3 pumpage sumpage (this was ~2 years ago)

http://www.anonforums.com/builds/blackcube/pumps/pumpf1.jpg

[septim]

nani!!:eek:

sneaky :YIPPIE: almost there man...

dont forget the ambients...

[Sneaky]

Nice work Sneaky, believe me I know how much work went into that... I'm doing the same thing now with mine (yeah, still :stick: )

Oh and SiG, I am the MaStA OG of teh 3 pumpage sumpage (this was ~2 years ago)

http://www.anonforums.com/builds/blackcube/pumps/pumpf1.jpg




^^^ this man, nikhsub1, was the person responsible for turing me into an incessant water cooling FIEND, and helped bring you what Project Illuminati is today (i don't know if i should do this: :slapass: for making me spend so much money, or if i should do this: :toast: for making it such a great system, regardless of cost)




edit: and P.S.: give us an update on the green beast!!

[stormshadow]

^^^ this man, nikhsub1, was the person responsible for turing me into an incessant water cooling FIEND, and helped bring you what Project Illuminati is today (i don't know if i should do this: :slapass: for making me spend so much money, or if i should do this: :toast: for making it such a great system, regardless of cost)




edit: and P.S.: give us an update on the green beast!!
that some crazy multi-pump madness.

[anodynejd]

Great job! Now throw a Conroe in her and lets see some action!!

[SiGfever]

Nice work Sneaky, believe me I know how much work went into that... I'm doing the same thing now with mine (yeah, still :stick: )

Oh and SiG, I am the MaStA OG of teh 3 pumpage sumpage (this was ~2 years ago)

http://www.anonforums.com/builds/blackcube/pumps/pumpf1.jpg
Don't I know it! It is ALL your fault that I have my U2-UFO and seeing the twin DDC Ultras in that cube sent me over the edge. I have been obsessing ever since. :slapass: :nono:

Seeing your "Beast" projects made me order my case, a PA120.3 and all the other madness that haunts my waking hours. :toast: :toast: :clap:

And yes, I have been waiting for an update on the "Jade Cube".

Thanks nikhsub1 for the help and advice that you have given me. :toast:

[Sneaky]

P5WDG2-WS Pro is in, build is officially done minus a few little things (optical drives & drive covers, and a little bit of wire sleeving) - Conroe and RAM also need to go in, but thoes are just components that don't aesthetically contribute to the build ;)


http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati_1.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati_2.jpg
http://www.mac-owner.com/sneaky/illuminati_3.jpg

[The Dome]

Dear god that is a work of art. Seeing how those micro reservoirs work so well I might swap my single bay out for some, damn things too hard to get most of the air out. But man, you do some very classy (sp?) work, can't wait to see you're next project :eek:

[Sneaky]

my next project is saving up for a car... so once i get a nice 2gb set of 2nd gen D9's and a E6700 Conroe, the computer is done for now... and maybe a second samsung 940B ;)

[nikhsub1]

Dude, you sooo stole my allen bolt mod! LOL!

[Sneaky]

what allen bolt mod? holding in the windows or the fans?

[nikhsub1]

Fans.

[eXa]

nice thermochill sticker in the bottom pic!:D

[[XC] Aerosupra]

my next project is saving up for a car... so once i get a nice 2gb set of 2nd gen D9's and a E6700 Conroe, the computer is done for now... and maybe a second samsung 940B ;)

... the whole insides of that UFO are so nice to watch ...
I cant wait for the Conroe results ... :cool:

[Sneaky]

Fans.


i know you did that with your fans and the socket caps with the green machine, but when i got yates for this case and they had closed corners, i had no other option than to tap the fans for 10-32 and use machine screws to hold them, as i hate using thoes ugly little fan screws, etc. and I didn't want to use 1 1/2" long screws and mount all the way through them either


so i decided i liked the threaded fan hole idea and continued it over to all my old delta WFB fans that were in the case for a while, and then to the AF12 fans that are in there now


i really didn't pull the idea from you, it just came to me, but i guess it came to me after i saw what you did with the aluminum cooler master fans, so cheers to you nikhsub1 :toast:

[nikhsub1]

Sneaky it's all good! I just like razzin' ya :D But yeah, my nexus fans are closed as well and I'll be dammed if ima use them nasty fan screws!

[Sneaky]

hehe, all in good fun nikhsub1 ;)


and btw, i didn't want to put the thermochill sticker on my case anywhere, and i just wanted something to jazz up the top of the rad, so I stuck it there and it looks pretty nice - right in the bottom corner of the window :)



btw nik, my case is still more 1337 than yours due to the use of not only the 10-32 allen bolt mod, but also because of the 3/16" ID grommet mod that I did to totally isolate the fans from the case :p:

[SiGfever]

Hell, between the two of you I am going to have to sign up for "Water Coolers Anonymous" and take their twelve step program. :D

[Sneaky]

not even a twelve step progam can keep me clean LOL

[Shpoon]

Hey sneaky, nice sig, but the text is awkward to read...fade the background a tiny bit.

[Sneaky]

updated it again - LMK what you think this time around

[Alchemy1]

Sneaky, what are the part numbers for the screws you used to mount your pumps and for the "gel-stuff" you got from mc masters?

[Sneaky]

the screws were 3/4" 10-32 machine screws with 10-32 nuts through a 3/16" hole in the case (pick any style head, finish, etc. - the black oxide buttonhead screws i used were p/n 91255A269)

and the 12x12" sheet of 1/2" thick clear gel rubber (gel stuff) was p/n 1782T44




edit: btw, i have a bunch of leftover gel stuff and some extra screws if you need some - i'll sell it to you for a hell of alot cheaper than a box of 100 screws and 12x12" sheet of gel from mcmaster