Windows Vista Capable or Windows Vista Weakling?

[sladesurfer]

http://consumer.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA5MSwxLCxoY29uc3VtZXI=

We test three different retail computer systems sporting the "Windows Vista Capable" badges and tell you if it's a gimmick to move systems or if you can really expect an acceptable user experience. We even throw in a bit of a preview of Vista's features as well.

[FragTek]

Certainly, Microsoft has had plenty of time to emulate some of the finer features of Apple OS X, but things like Gadgets are definitely welcome even if they mirror Widgets.

/me lurf Mac OS X :)

[Thorry]

Well I have had first hand experience where a 'Vista Capable' notebook (including the sticker) was incapable of running Vista at all.

The problem lay in the BitLocker technique and the bios implementation of which was incomplete (not remarkable since the specs were only finished days before I bought the notebook).

I developed a new bootloader for Vista to solve the problem and after that Vista ran great.

When investigating the problem and developing the bootloader I had a lot of contact with the manufactor and me friends at the local Microsoft branch. They told me what the sticker means:

It's simply a marketing thing, if the computer follows certain hardware specifications the sticker can be applied and thus giving the computer a new unique selling point.

It is in no way an indication of if and how Vista will run on the system, the hardware specs aren't that high to get the sticker and if the sticker is absent it doesn't mean the computer won't run Vista perfectly.

The Vista Premium stickers and certification however will be much more, a complete certification program which a manufactor and the hardware/software must go through to get it. It ensures that Vista Premium runs as it's supposed to.

So Vista Capable stickers: Don't pay any attention to them...

I have a complete report including tutorials etc if anybody is interested, it solves the problem on all new Vista Capable Asus notebooks and in fact all other systems currently incapable of running Vista because of that perticular problem. Also the bootloader doesn't do any harm so it's always safe to try if Vista won't run. However it does disable the bitlocker functionality so if you want to run bitlocker now (and are capable of, which is unlikely) you wouldn't want this, in fact you wouldn't want it anyway since Vista runs ;)

[nn_step]

Or think of it this way, Vista sucks. Soon enough you will not have to worry about using Vista

[Thorry]

Ah well, over 90% of the IT world is going to use Vista and Vista related products. So you'd better deal with it whether it sucks or not ;)

[nn_step]

Ah well, over 90% of the IT world is going to use Vista and Vista related products. So you'd better deal with it whether it sucks or not ;)
not if other Cheaper OSes support DX10 and all the good features of Vista
without all the DRM crap ;)

[thunderstruck!]

not if other Cheaper OSes support DX10 and all the good features of Vista
without all the DRM crap ;)
Keep dreaming...

[.sentinel]

The problem is that they don't. Gimmie a linux distro that has DX9.0C

[nn_step]

Keep dreaming...
So I take it you have not heard about the project to port DX10 to XS OS then ;)

[3NZ0]

So I take it you have not heard about the project to port DX10 to XS OS then ;)

:eek:

details please?

i thought it was unlikely that dx10 was ever going to go on xp, no matter what?

[jrw]

:eek:

details please?

i thought it was unlikely that dx10 was ever going to go on xp, no matter what?

Not XP, server 2003.

[nn_step]

Not XP, server 2003.
Correct and in the ideal of performance. we will be moving to 64bit for future releases :D

[RaZz!]

So I take it you have not heard about the project to port DX10 to XS OS then ;)

the best would be dx10 for winxp :P

[nn_step]

the best would be dx10 for winxp :P
you wanna try porting DX10 to that cluster :banana::banana::banana::banana: of an OS design experiment?:stick:

[Cybercat]

Oh yeah, Vista sucks. :rolleyes:

People throw around that word too much.

[PkG.1337]

XSOS with DX10 :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Tiny Vista with DX10 :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:(next-gen tinyxp)

[shimq1]

People will get Windows Vista because of the interface. Mac OSX would be more popular if you could install it in regular machines because they have the best looking interface IMO. No average consumer will ever use Linux because of its ugly as hell interface IMO.

[Starscream]

nah people will get Vista cause MS and partners will make them think they have to.

[Thorry]

Yes well, go shout some other Microsoft flames and trolls without any good reason, that makes this forum and the world a better place...

Please for Pete's sake, shut up about Vista if you don't like it or if you don't have a very good reasoning. Shouting (insert other piece of software here) is better as Vista is your opinion (and me be an unfounded opinion if you haven't tried both thoroughly) and doesn't mean anything to anybody...

Like I said, whether you like it or not a lot of people are going to use Vista. If you can't deal with it please go flame somewhere else....

[Mortal]

I'll use Vista the moment a stripped-down version comes out.

[[XC] leviathan18]

Well I have had first hand experience where a 'Vista Capable' notebook (including the sticker) was incapable of running Vista at all.

The problem lay in the BitLocker technique and the bios implementation of which was incomplete (not remarkable since the specs were only finished days before I bought the notebook).

I developed a new bootloader for Vista to solve the problem and after that Vista ran great.

When investigating the problem and developing the bootloader I had a lot of contact with the manufactor and me friends at the local Microsoft branch. They told me what the sticker means:

It's simply a marketing thing, if the computer follows certain hardware specifications the sticker can be applied and thus giving the computer a new unique selling point.

It is in no way an indication of if and how Vista will run on the system, the hardware specs aren't that high to get the sticker and if the sticker is absent it doesn't mean the computer won't run Vista perfectly.

The Vista Premium stickers and certification however will be much more, a complete certification program which a manufactor and the hardware/software must go through to get it. It ensures that Vista Premium runs as it's supposed to.

So Vista Capable stickers: Don't pay any attention to them...

I have a complete report including tutorials etc if anybody is interested, it solves the problem on all new Vista Capable Asus notebooks and in fact all other systems currently incapable of running Vista because of that perticular problem. Also the bootloader doesn't do any harm so it's always safe to try if Vista won't run. However it does disable the bitlocker functionality so if you want to run bitlocker now (and are capable of, which is unlikely) you wouldn't want this, in fact you wouldn't want it anyway since Vista runs ;)

vista capable meas that you can run windows vista in that machine perhaps you can run it at full or just the stripped similar to xp mode but at least you can run vista.... the vista premium certification means that you can run vista at full experience...

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

i think the DRM :banana::banana::banana::banana: will make retail vista unsuitable for most enthusiats.

we like to be in full control of our computer, and anything that goes against that wont be taken well.

[Thorry]

i think the DRM :banana::banana::banana::banana: will make retail vista unsuitable for most enthusiats.

we like to be in full control of our computer, and anything that goes against that wont be taken well.

Well no...

DRM support just means that Vista is capable of playing media with DRM applied on it. It does not change the nature of the operating system.

In fact if you would try to view the DRM media on a OS not supporting DRM techniques you won't be able to view it, so any way you look at it Vista is always better supporting something that some don't (however we will see all OS'es support DRM if there is a lot of DRM media out there).

I agree DRM totally s*cks b*lls, but don't blame MS, blame the media publishers that apply DRM in the first place. Thank god for DRM free P2P ;)
As always with copy protection systems, they are annoying the people who actually buy the stuff (pushing them towards illegal circuits) and people that download the illegal DRM free versions don't notice anything.

Also copy protection is as we call "contradictio in terminus", by the laws of physics if something can be read or precieved it can always be copied or re-produced...

vista capable meas that you can run windows vista in that machine perhaps you can run it at full or just the stripped similar to xp mode but at least you can run vista.... the vista premium certification means that you can run vista at full experience...

As I said, in my quest I talked a lot with MS about the certification process.

For the Windows Vista Capable stickers it's simply a list of hardware specs the hardware needs to comply to then the sticker is permitted. Yesterday MS actually lowered the specs for this sticker, in theory just about any PC since 2001 and any notebook since 2003 could get the sticker.

However you need to pay Microsoft money to get it certified and be able to use the sticker. As stated the sticker says absolutely nothing about how Vista will perform on the PC/laptop or if it will run at all (My Asus A8F notebook couldn't run it until I developed an entirely new bootloader, a brand new Core Duo notebook with the sticker).

The Vista Premium (Premium capable and Designed for Premium) certification is a lot thougher, you need some serious hardware, software and support specs to be admitted, then many hours of testing and simulation scenario's are used. Performance is also an issue. Microsoft is still working out the details, but if you got a Vista Premium sticker you know it's a d*mn good piece of hardware.