Rumor : Dell to drop Intel 100% [Archive]

informal

07-04-2006, 09:13 PM

whoa! cars? We'll probably have to press the start button to stop the car, eh? :lol:

It would be very dumb of Dell to drop Intel. I can see Dell's reputation for reliable systems going down fast! Intels are just more durable in general. They're known for staying alive for years upon years, where as AMD's typically die after a few years.

That is such a BS that I'm not gonna try to describe the magnitude of it.Durabilty...
Heck i have a fully functional K6&K6-2 which survived all these years.Not using them since p3 times,of course,but the chips are alive.Same goes for intel(one celeron).So saying that AMDs are dieing after some time is complete,khm khm, lack of knowledge.

ZX7891

07-04-2006, 09:17 PM

I dont understand, does Dell try and go with the inferior product ALL THE TIME?

Celeron Gamer

07-04-2006, 09:19 PM

YES! Quickly drop Intel! Drop it before Conroe makes the impact!!!

That' way it would kill Dell's sales, and they would go bankrupt, then we all celebrate

zabomb4163

07-04-2006, 09:44 PM

hot off the press

"AMD to abandon manufacturing processors. CEO says he would rather be in the business of selling candy to kids. "Ever since I saw the movie charlie and the chocolate factory I knew I one day wanted to have my own chocolate factory. "

-i'm under NDA so i cant reveal the source. but it will be 1000000x better than hersheys

Eastcoasthandle

07-04-2006, 09:45 PM

rumor - dell to start manufacturing cars
rumor Dell will enter the housing market

Ominous Gamer

07-04-2006, 09:49 PM

I dont understand, does Dell try and go with the inferior product ALL THE TIME?

I was thinking the same thing. Its like they do this on purpose, so when they make billions, they can sit back and laugh at all the moron customers they screw over year after year.

Cybercat

07-04-2006, 10:10 PM

they already do!best. photoshop. ever.

OmegaMerc

07-04-2006, 10:50 PM

I can only report what im told :rolleyes: Thats why it reads RUMOR.

OC Detective

07-05-2006, 01:18 AM

Unless your inside sources are on the board of either Dell or AMD I think you would have to question their reliability for such an announcement of this magnitude....

DoubleZero

07-05-2006, 02:46 AM

I can't see where its' written that Dell's gonna drop Intel, in that Inq. story.
Maybe i am blind.

Turok

07-05-2006, 04:24 AM

Dell also makes a lot of propaganda about Intel when they are showing their cr@#$y PCs
If this true, then we may start to see AMD TV commercials for the first time.

But these news are verry unlickely IMO unless Dell got into trouble with Intel somehow.
They've already brain washed a lot of n00bs to buy Intel, so now they make a suden change to AMD right before Conroe releases :confused:
This is BS...

gOJDO

07-05-2006, 04:32 AM

I don't think so, plus this rumor comes from the_inq.....no way

VulgarHandle

07-05-2006, 05:12 AM

i don't see the problem with dell tbh, they provide dirt cheap pc's to the masses...only MIT's $100 laptop poses a threat

of course, i'm from texas, so i may not be impartial enough to discuss dell....

duploxxx

07-05-2006, 05:27 AM

Bah, with conroe coming out, Dell better not drop out too soon....that'd be one dumb move.....
I dont understand, does Dell try and go with the inferior product ALL THE TIME?

lol as if the whole cpu market is about conroe :stick:

that's the mind of a group of gamers/oc'ers

LOE

07-05-2006, 05:48 AM

dell has seen early K8L samples running at 1Ghz and killing intel's quad core overclocked to 4Ghz

that's why

found404

07-05-2006, 05:52 AM

If Dell do plan such a move, I didn't think AMD had the capacity to supply them.

Stuperman

07-05-2006, 06:04 AM

dell has seen early K8L samples running at 1Ghz and killing intel's quad core overclocked to 4Ghz

that's why

wha...?

kl0012

07-05-2006, 06:08 AM

dell has seen early K8L samples running at 1Ghz and killing intel's quad core overclocked to 4Ghz

that's why
Sweet dreams. :D

VulgarHandle

07-05-2006, 06:09 AM

dell has seen early K8L samples running at 1Ghz and killing intel's quad core overclocked to 4Ghz

that's why

i mean, c'mon, please give us some links, or your post goes the way of a 'fanboy' remark

gOJDO

07-05-2006, 06:56 AM

dell has seen early K8L samples running at 1Ghz and killing intel's quad core overclocked to 4Ghz

that's why
:eek: You have to be kidding.

LOE

07-05-2006, 07:34 AM

ain't no fanboi remark, just a joke :)

to make things clear, I don't want to read this joke tommorow at the INQ LOL

gOJDO

07-05-2006, 07:43 AM

ain't no fanboi remark, just a joke :)

to make things clear, I don't want to read this joke tommorow at the INQ LOL
:toast:
it is too late now. the rumor has allready being prepared as news for tomorrow. Shakira(sharikou) will confirm the same also.
You are the source for this "fact". :stick:

Cobalt

07-05-2006, 08:17 AM

This is probably exactly where the INQ gets its "reliable" sources.

Imagine if they were just trawling hardware forums looking for jokes and posting it as news :P

thunderstruck!

07-05-2006, 08:43 AM

I dont understand, does Dell try and go with the inferior product ALL THE TIME?
Yes. I direct you to my avator.:D

Gautam

07-05-2006, 08:56 AM

they already do!
lol. That just made my day. :lol:

DoubleZero

07-05-2006, 09:08 AM

OMG...
Why don't you people starting using your brain instead of making jokes that only make you look bad.

NOWHERE in the Inquirer article it's written that Dell gonna ditch Intel.

Well I have been told by reliable inside sources that Dell is planning to completely drop Intel 100% from its product listing

It was omegaMerc who said it, capice? or drawings are in order for better understanding?

informal

07-05-2006, 10:37 AM

No chance that Dell is gonna ditch Intel.Absolutely no chance.

Cobalt

07-05-2006, 11:35 AM

OMG...
Why don't you people starting using your brain instead of making jokes that only make you look bad.

NOWHERE in the Inquirer article it's written that Dell gonna ditch Intel.

It was omegaMerc who said it, capice? or drawings are in order for better understanding?
Chill man, we just like making fun of the INQ, is that really such a bad thing? ;)

5-Clicks

07-05-2006, 11:41 AM

That is such a BS that I'm not gonna try to describe the magnitude of it.Durabilty...
Heck i have a fully functional K6&K6-2 which survived all these years.Not using them since p3 times,of course,but the chips are alive.Same goes for intel(one celeron).So saying that AMDs are dieing after some time is complete,khm khm, lack of knowledge.
Ok buddy, calm down ;) This is XS...i doubt that it can be proven based on the forum users here that Intel is more or less durable than AMD, so I'm not saying that if you take care of your AMD and know how to properly cool and treat a CPU then AMD's are just destined to die.

What I am saying, however, is that the average PC user, who uses a Dell, Compaq, HP, you name it, have much higher failure rates on AMD's flat out frying than Intel. The reason is often because the CPU/system wasn't cooled properly in the environment...whether it be because of dust blocking airflow to simply being in a hot spot. I CAN prove that AMD's will much sooner die from heat than Intels. Just look around on these forums. How many people had the problem with their AMD's being fried from the DFI RDX200 and Expert? How many Intel boards, both in the present and past, have had extreme overvolt problems...or any similar problems? AMD's also have cold bugs...as well as many A64/Opteron 939 CPU's don't work very well at 50-55C where as Intels run at 90C+ for years (speaking in general terms here. If you want to prove me wrong on that, go ahead and I'll readily admit that I'm wrong - though I don't think I am. Just the same, I'm just trying to state a point).

All I'm trying to say is that Intel platforms have a better resistance to the average Joe's variance in environment than AMD.

[XC] leviathan18

07-05-2006, 11:52 AM

informal

07-05-2006, 12:03 PM

Sorry 5-clicks.Felt a bit tired so i overreacted.
Cooling is extreemly important thing.You can't blaim AMD for Dell's or HP's ignorance in designing PCs.
As for cold bug,leviathan18 said it well.

Cheers

Celeron Gamer

07-05-2006, 12:34 PM

OMG...
Why don't you people starting using your brain instead of making jokes that only make you look bad.

NOWHERE in the Inquirer article it's written that Dell gonna ditch Intel.

Woah, don't get too worked up about that, I think what he means/exaggerated is that Dell would drop Intel from their main product line

Orangeman

07-05-2006, 12:54 PM

Hmmm...

Maybe Michael Dell and Hector Ruiz had a little Brokeback Mountain moment together.

just a rumour...:)

Lightman

07-05-2006, 01:19 PM

....

What I am saying, however, is that the average PC user, who uses a Dell, Compaq, HP, you name it, have much higher failure rates on AMD's flat out frying than Intel. The reason is often because the CPU/system wasn't cooled properly in the environment...whether it be because of dust blocking airflow to simply being in a hot spot. I CAN prove that AMD's will much sooner die from heat than Intels. Just look around on these forums. How many people had the problem with their AMD's being fried from the DFI RDX200 and Expert? How many Intel boards, both in the present and past, have had extreme overvolt problems...or any similar problems? AMD's also have cold bugs...as well as many A64/Opteron 939 CPU's don't work very well at 50-55C where as Intels run at 90C+ for years (speaking in general terms here. If you want to prove me wrong on that, go ahead and I'll readily admit that I'm wrong - though I don't think I am. Just the same, I'm just trying to state a point).

All I'm trying to say is that Intel platforms have a better resistance to the average Joe's variance in environment than AMD.

I had different experience!
My old AMD Duron 600 was cooked around 115C for 5 days (12h per day), because contact with radiator was BAD! It survived and served for me another 18 months OC'd to 850MHz.
Ofcourse Intel post P3 Slot1 CPU's was first with some kind of thermal protection, when AMD was struggling to implement same even with first ATHLON's, then it was implemented to Athlon XP series but required mobo support. From A64 AMD did job properly!

How many people had the problem with their AMD's being fried from the DFI RDX200 and Expert?

What You talking about are mainboard problems and NOT CPU weakneses, I saw few cooked intel CPU's due to mainboard or PSU failure.

nn_step

07-05-2006, 01:27 PM

Seems highly unlikely, unless they really don't like Intel's baked in DRM crap. Which would completely surprise me

K404

07-05-2006, 02:00 PM

AMD dont have the capacity for that deal. Not for a few years.

Unless Dell fancy cutting back their supply reach?

cky2k6

07-05-2006, 02:04 PM

theres no way dell is just ditching intel. it has so much infrastructure around intel that its not funny. if im not mistaken, dell doesnt even have any amd assembly lines, they outsource amd production. its just pysically impossible for this to happen in the near future, it would be suicide for dell to do this. by the way 5-clicks, i'm pretty sure the current amd chips not liking 50c+ is because of the imc. how many northbridge chips like 50c+? its essentially a northbridge in the cpu, so it doesnt like high temps. my friends tbred ran over 90c for a year, and hes still using it to this day.

nn_step

07-05-2006, 02:04 PM

AMD dont have the capacity for that deal. Not for a few years.

Unless Dell fancy cutting back their supply reach?
well by killing off the A64 1Mb line. AMD is going to open up an extra 40% larger production potential

MRBIGSHOT

07-05-2006, 02:17 PM

well by killing off the A64 1Mb line. AMD is going to open up an extra 40% larger production potential

but the extra production potential will all be going twords the opteron and opteron 2000 lines if im not mistaken.

i generally agree that intels can live longer than amd's equevelants but i cant say it as a blanket statment. ive had psu's take out prime chips from both camps so its anyones game. i will say not all intel chips survived so well, perhaps you may not rember northwood sudden death syndrome from the good old p4c's

nn_step

07-05-2006, 02:21 PM

but the extra production potential will all be going twords the opteron and opteron 2000 lines if im not mistaken.

i generally agree that intels can live longer than amd's equevelants but i cant say it as a blanket statment. ive had psu's take out prime chips from both camps so its anyones game. i will say not all intel chips survived so well, perhaps you may not rember northwood sudden death syndrome from the good old p4c's
Actually NO, because the Opterons are only going to be made IF an order is placed for them. and with thier price premium. That is the nice things about AMD's fabs. they can switch between opterons, A64 chips with different amounts of Cache at the drop of a hat. Hell they can make the top half of the wafer 1Mb Chips and the Bottom half 512Kb chips

shimq1

07-05-2006, 04:12 PM

Actually NO, because the Opterons are only going to be made IF an order is placed for them. and with thier price premium. That is the nice things about AMD's fabs. they can switch between opterons, A64 chips with different amounts of Cache at the drop of a hat. Hell they can make the top half of the wafer 1Mb Chips and the Bottom half 512Kb chips
How do you know everything about AMD? Are you secretly their CEO? :eek:

Ominous Gamer

07-05-2006, 04:17 PM

Like how someone had to chaneg the title to "rumor:" :stick:

5-Clicks

07-05-2006, 05:14 PM

no one designs a chip for subzero temps at least not normal ones like p4 or athlon, amd runs cooler than p4 they have cool and quiet they have nice plataforms and any OC board could kill a cpu so your points are far from valid
True, neither Intel, AMD, or VIA design chips to withstand subzero, but the fact is that Intels do and AMDs don't (as much). Any board can kill a chip, true, but look at how many boards are like that on the Intel platform vs AMD. AMD runs cooler, and that's fine, but that doesn't change the fact that AMD's have a harder time at hot temps than Intel. It also depends on different cores. The Tbred was much hotter than what Intel had out at the time...and Preshots are hotter than Winnie/Sandy/Venice. So, I'm sorry, but your points don't prove mine wrong. Intels still generally withstand more extreme temps than AMD. Fact. Whether they try to or not is not the point.

I had different experience!
My old AMD Duron 600 was cooked around 115C for 5 days (12h per day), because contact with radiator was BAD! It survived and served for me another 18 months OC'd to 850MHz.
Ofcourse Intel post P3 Slot1 CPU's was first with some kind of thermal protection, when AMD was struggling to implement same even with first ATHLON's, then it was implemented to Athlon XP series but required mobo support. From A64 AMD did job properly!

How many people had the problem with their AMD's being fried from the DFI RDX200 and Expert?

What You talking about are mainboard problems and NOT CPU weakneses, I saw few cooked intel CPU's due to mainboard or PSU failure.
As I said, I don't expect XS members to be careless with their CPUs. I have an old Athlon K2 that still runs....but the platform/PC has more problems than my Intels in the past.

Granted, that it is mainboard weaknesses, not CPUs. However, what I'm getting at is AMD platforms have more of these types of problems than Intel platforms. Asus had bad results. Abit. Gigabyte. Therefore, if Dell switches to 100% AMD, I can see them having more problems with complaints and unhappy customers...be it the CPU or the mobo, it's still AMD's platform.

When AMD started out, they had a much rockier relationship with the motherboard manufacturers than Intel. That's some of the reason why Intel seems (at least to me...) to have a bit more reliable platforms. They simply had a better start. I'm not saying AMD FTL or Intel FTW or trying to be a fanboy or anything.

zabomb4163

07-05-2006, 07:00 PM

How do you know everything about AMD? Are you secretly their CEO? :eek:

nn_step is amd's PR rep on the forums. :) didnt catch the memo i take it?

nn_step

07-05-2006, 07:11 PM

Cheerleader is more like it. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
yeah except I don't look good in skirts :rolleyes:

shimq1

07-05-2006, 07:23 PM

yeah except I don't look good in skirts :rolleyes:
You've worn skirts before? :rofl:

NickS

07-05-2006, 07:25 PM

Bah, with conroe coming out, Dell better not drop out too soon....that'd be one dumb move.

I could care less anyways, I don't buy Dells. If it helps make AMD make a bigger market share and lower's prices for when K8L comes out, then that's another story ;)

What else is new with Dell? They're so dumb I'd like to smack them upside the head. Just when I thought their computers might start to PWN cuz of Conroe.. :rolleyes:

sin0822

07-05-2006, 07:34 PM

this is my first posts in months and i just wanted to say that Dell is a retarded company that is just going to shoot itself in the foot if it does this. Oh and to the comment: "why does dell always go with the inferior?". Maybe dell knows that an inferior AMD will sell its chips really cheap to get them off their hands, and maybe dell is moving into making really really cheap computers because thats all they are good at.

WeStSiDePLaYa

07-05-2006, 08:14 PM

You've worn skirts before? :rofl:

i have, it was odd, but freeing. everything had so much room.

nn_step

07-05-2006, 08:31 PM

You've worn skirts before? :rofl:
It is called a Kilt and you kind of have to wear one to attend the Highland games. :rolleyes: Expand your culture

Thorry

07-05-2006, 08:40 PM

Well NN is right.

Just ask the guys over at AMD themselves and the guys over at ASML, hell you could even ask Intel.

AMD's fabs are currently the best in the world, they have some amazing tech going on. This is obviously not because AMD is better, but because they absolutely have to.

AMD is very small (well they've grown a lot the past few years, but they were very small), so in order to keep up with a big company like Intel they need to be a lot smarter. It's the old stronger versus smarter story.

The tech they got at their fabs will blow your mind away, I've linked to some reviews about that here often (AMD gives away tours for reporters every once in a while).

Just to give you an idea of what they got: They've actually got machines checking wafers at each step in the process and when a glitch is detected the wafer doesn't get binned but the machine actually thinks of an unique solution to either fix the wafer or bypass the damaged part.

Also at Intel for example it can take many weeks to get a process line to switch from one core to another core, or to even implement modifications or improvements into the core design. Their solution is to simply have a lot of process lines so production is always at a high level.

AMD doesn't have the funds to have that many process lines so they can switch at a moments notice (taking only hours to perhaps a day). That's why with Intel you see almost no overclocking advantages within the same revision and a new revision always does a lot better.

With AMD you can clearly see (especially in the Athlon XP cores, the Barton cores most) that each week the CPUs were getting better. That's because the fab is automatically continuously improving the design slightly (based on the actual finished wafers, the original design and a lot of input from engineers). And why a new revision almost always doesn't give a overclocking boost (I'm not talking about the performance boost here, that's a whole other story).

Things like this is why AMD has deserved a lot of respect throughout the world and the technical community. You don't have to buy their products or even like them, but respect they do deserve. It's not often you see people being that good at their job.

It's like I respect the builders of my country's dams while I live way above sealevel..

shimq1

07-05-2006, 08:40 PM

It is called a Kilt and you kind of have to wear one to attend the Highland games. :rolleyes: Expand your culture
I was just joking around. :rolleyes: Conroe giving you headaches? :rofl:

vengance_01

07-05-2006, 08:44 PM

Wow this thread is retarted. You guys are acting like little 12 year olds. The source is not known, its a rumor. I Don't think Dell will drop Intel completely, its just does not make sense. But anything can happen. Lets just wait for it to un-fold, ok.

NickS

07-05-2006, 08:44 PM

It is called a Kilt and you kind of have to wear one to attend the Highland games. :rolleyes: Expand your culture

ROFLROLFOLFOLROLORLFORLFOLROFL. I wanna see a pic of u in one some day ROFL

dcg

07-06-2006, 01:20 AM

As I said, I don't expect XS members to be careless with their CPUs. I have an old Athlon K2 that still runs....but the platform/PC has more problems than my Intels in the past.

No wonder the PC has problems especially with a CPU that nobody ever head of till now ;)

Ok buddy, calm down ;) as well as many A64/Opteron 939 CPU's don't work very well at 50-55C where as Intels run at 90C+ for years

Don't want to flame but do you ever head of Thermal Throttling? It starts after 72C and is meant to keep the CPU temperature below this figure.

At this point I really think you should keep your platform stability remarks for yourself.

thorgal

07-06-2006, 05:44 AM

Dropping out of Intel would be really curious at this time, if the rumors would be true. I do think however that the bottomline of Dell is seriously affected by the arrival of Conroe : they will have to lift their prices a little I guess, and that's always hard in their position.
In the end though, I really cannot believe it ;)

The Ghost

07-06-2006, 06:42 AM

Blah. The same companies supply BOTH Intel and AMD (and UMC, and TSMC, and others) with wafer equipment, lithographay instruments, and chip testing equipment.

It is completely untrue that they are any MORE advanced than Intel. In fact, since Intel has the freedom to shut down entire fabs and re-tool them, it is fair to say Intel has the more advanced technology (specifically process technology). This is why they are consistently 6-9 mos ahead of AMD in moving to the next die shrink. They have the excess capacity and can run without 1-2 fabs while they are being re-tooled. AMD would go belly up if they shut down an entire fab.
very untrue , amd has the advance equopment , amd does not need to shut down a whole line , or a whole fab

die shrinks ? yes intel had to go to a die shrink , amd cpu's work fine at a larger die size , woodcrest is already falling apart , amd will deal with conroe , when it is needed

the reason why dell has a big contract with amd , is because they do not want to be left with out cpu's and motherboards when they need them , intel has apple as getting first choice , dell does not want to be second choice , it is not amd defeating intel , it is intel defeating it's self that will take intel down

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_9999,00.html?redir=COAPM

The Ghost

07-06-2006, 09:39 AM

History says you are VERY wrong. :stick:

AMD has NEVER been within 6 months of intel on a die shrink. NEVER. :fact:

And Apple DOES NOT move the volume w/ Intel to get priority shipment of CPUs over Dell. You are smoking some SERIOUS :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: if you believe that. Dell moves 8-10x the chips that Apple does. :slap:

The move to incorporate AMD Opterons into the server lineup was a good move by Dell (READ - makes shareholders happy), but that BY NO MEANS indicates that Dell is going to drop Intel, OR EVEN use Opterons solely for their servers.

And w/ a ~$300 Conroe wiping the FLOOR w/ the $1000 FX-62, it's AMD that is SERIOUSLY behind the curve.

Go back to AMD Fanboy LAND and come back when you can spell. :p:
lets see if we can help you with your reading comprehension

did i say that amd was less then 6 months behind intel on die shrink ? what i said was that amd did not need the die shrink as bad as intel needs it

you need to open your eyes , intel stuck it to dell last time when the yonah came out apple got first pick , dell got slim trimmings , intel sticks it to all their partners , intel is it's own worst enemy

as far as smoking something , you should check your self out , get a little reality in your life

i never said that dell was going to drop intel , i said that dell has a big contract with amd , for more then just server cpu's

now lets get back to your fantasy land , where is this $300 cpu that you are talking about ?

maybe you should try intel fanboy land

it is the intel fanbois that do not like competition , even though they benefit from it

like i have said in the past , intel is more of a enemy to it's self then amd is

so do you really think that you are going to run some one off with what you have to say ? i don't think so

The Ghost

07-06-2006, 09:43 AM

brentpresley

wow it is nice to know that you live just a few miles away from me

yea , i'm in Carrboro

i just love a small world , don't you ?

[XC] Lead Head

07-06-2006, 09:48 AM

And w/ a ~$300 Conroe wiping the FLOOR w/ the $1000 FX-62, it's AMD that is SERIOUSLY behind the curve.

Go back to AMD Fanboy LAND and come back when you can spell. :p:

Conroe is nearly a completely new architecture with twice the FPU, SSE, etc units of the K8 core. AMD had no way of knowing conroe was gonna hit this hard until the benches showed up just a month or two ago. AMD cant design a whole new core and have it in production in less then 4 months. All's AMD can do right now is do some minor tweaks and increase clock speeds until they get their new core out the door. AMD is not behind the curve, look at their upcoming cores, AMD has the cores designed, etc...an im sure they have at least a few prototypes right now. You intel fan boys (yes presly, you are practicly the definition of fanboy, with your constant trying to show AMD sucks hard) are probably just mad that intel will only have a few months to shine before AMD releases its new cores.

nn_step

07-06-2006, 09:52 AM

Conroe is nearly a completely new architecture with twice the FPU, SSE, etc units of the K8 core. AMD had no way of knowing conroe was gonna hit this hard until the benches showed up just a month or two ago. AMD cant design a whole new core and have it in production in less then 4 months. All's AMD can do right now is do some minor tweaks and increase clock speeds until they get their new core out the door. AMD is not behind the curve, look at their upcoming cores, AMD has the cores designed, etc...an im sure they have at least a few prototypes right now. You intel fan boys (yes presly, you are practicly the definition of fanboy, with your constant trying to show AMD sucks hard) are probably just mad that intel will only have a few months to shine before AMD releases its new cores.
as much as I enjoy listening to fanboys talk :banana::banana::banana::banana:. This is enough.
RIght now Clock for clock Intel has a 7% advantage on AVERAGE.
As for thier clock speed advantage. That'll disapper faster than a cookie at a weight watchers convention.

K404

07-06-2006, 10:02 AM

Dont knock Kilts! I was in one last Thursday for my grad-ball.

Was I a true Scotsman? That would be telling ;)

cky2k6

07-06-2006, 11:34 AM

as much as I enjoy listening to fanboys talk :banana::banana::banana::banana:. This is enough.
RIght now Clock for clock Intel has a 7% advantage on AVERAGE.
As for thier clock speed advantage. That'll disapper faster than a cookie at a weight watchers convention.
talk about the pot calling the kettle back... nn_step calling someone a fanboy... where did you get that conroe is 7% faster clock for clock? not the benchmarks i have seen... the 6400 at 2.13 most of the time beats the fx62, seems a little more than 7% to me... and where exactly do you see amd's clock speeds going? conroe is capable of near netburst clock speeds, its only few hundred mhz slower... intel could safely release a conroe at 3.33 and above...

Starscream

07-06-2006, 11:58 AM

Blah. The same companies supply BOTH Intel and AMD (and UMC, and TSMC, and others) with wafer equipment, lithographay instruments, and chip testing equipment.

It is completely untrue that they are any MORE advanced than Intel. In fact, since Intel has the freedom to shut down entire fabs and re-tool them, it is fair to say Intel has the more advanced technology (specifically process technology). This is why they are consistently 6-9 mos ahead of AMD in moving to the next die shrink. They have the excess capacity and can run without 1-2 fabs while they are being re-tooled. AMD would go belly up if they shut down an entire fab.

yes the same companies supply the machines to Intel and AMD but there is more to making CPus then Machines alone there is also software.

The thing that allows AMDs machines to think on their own and to repair flaws while a waffer is being made is a piece of software (forgot its name).
So even tho AMD uses the same machines as Intel it is this piece of patented software that makes AMDs Fabs more advanced then Intels.

btw being able ot completely retool a fab etc has nothing todo with being more advanced it simply means they dont need that capacity and can go without it for a while.

nn_step

07-06-2006, 12:17 PM

talk about the pot calling the kettle back... nn_step calling someone a fanboy... where did you get that conroe is 7% faster clock for clock? not the benchmarks i have seen... the 6400 at 2.13 most of the time beats the fx62, seems a little more than 7% to me... and where exactly do you see amd's clock speeds going? conroe is capable of near netburst clock speeds, its only few hundred mhz slower... intel could safely release a conroe at 3.33 and above...
You are going to be in for the Shock of your life then ;)

cky2k6

07-06-2006, 12:57 PM

hell, i am an amd loyalist more then most people here, i have not purchased an intel pc since i got into building pcs, around 5 years ago. but this is just ridiculous. amd will need at leat a 3.6ghz fx in order to compete with a stock 6800, so really nn? we're going to see 4ghz fxs? and werent you saying amd wasnt going to rely on clock speed? flip flopping on our bs are we?

DilTech

07-06-2006, 01:00 PM

A 4 ghz fx could very well be possible at 65nm using SiGe. Which AMD did help develop, and it was made specifically for their 65nm process.....

The Ghost

07-06-2006, 01:07 PM

I'm simply going to buy the FASTEST chip around when I need to make a purchase. In 2-3 weeks, that is hands down going to be Intel.

do you really think that in two weeks that you will be able to buy a conroe ?

how about a motherboard to go with it ? you can't use one with out the other

but hey , we can all wait two weeks and see what happenes

At the moment, AMD is behind. Much more so than they have been in a LONG time.
amd isn't behind yet

They have their ducks in a row now and are going to make AMD REALLY, REALLY work for every processor sale they make.
so then if they have their ducks in a row , there will be no problems with supplies of conroe's , and motherboards to go with them , right ?

cky2k6

07-06-2006, 01:21 PM

A 4 ghz fx could very well be possible at 65nm using SiGe. Which AMD did help develop, and it was made specifically for their 65nm process.....
no, its not possible... when has amd gained over 1ghz from a die shrink? or anyone for that matter? the transistor switching speed will be increased UP to 40%, but transistor switching speed is a hell of alot higher than the actual clock speeds the chip is capable of. so no, there wont be any 4ghz fxs... at best, amd will match conroe's clock speeds, but it still wont catch up in performance until k8l...

LOE

07-06-2006, 01:54 PM

I wouldn't bet on your story :)

It's not a simple shrink, there is new tech involved. Even if amd decide to keep clocks down, rev G will have much bigger OC potential. AMD will probably launch 3.2 and 3.4 Ghz parts that IMO could hit 4 Ghz ot air...

[XC] Lead Head

07-06-2006, 02:27 PM

Considering Yonah has been cranking out on 65nm for 7 mos now and Intel just finished moving their 3rd fab over to 65nm (where are AMD's 65nm fabs? oh, right, they don't have any), and there are an absolute abundance of ES chips that just about anyone here can get now (thanks guys in the FS forum), you are correct - there should be no problems. :D

With Rev.G in less then 5 months...They certaintly do have 65nm fab

gOJDO

07-06-2006, 02:42 PM

A 4 ghz fx could very well be possible at 65nm using SiGe. Which AMD did help develop, and it was made specifically for their 65nm process.....
AMD did not developed the 3rd gen SOI with SiGe, IBM did.
And as one discutant said 40% transistor performance does not translates into 40% more freqfency.
AMD can only raise the freqfency of current chips to improve the perofrmance, but I don't think that they are going to make the same mistake like Intel did with Netburst. It is possible that they will reach 4GHz using 65nm SOI3, but such chips will be very rare and very expencive. AMD will need a lot of time before they ramp enough to bring them on the market. Meanwhile K8L will come on the scene, there will be quadcores and there will be more multithreaded software. So, forget about 4GHz K8.