Wait for P5B or get D975XBX?

[CastorTroy]

This is my first post and im hoping I dont get flamed by people who think that conroe is talked about too much. I looked through the Intel threads and didnt see anything that specifically adresses my question.

I have been waiting two months to build my new system since I sold my gaming rig and have been stuck with a Toshiba A60 with ATI 7000IGP.....ugh. I have the option of getting a rev 304 D975XBX right now or waiting for the Asus P5B Deluxe which wont be in stock for a couple weeks I am guessing.

My new system will be using a Intel 930D processor and I want to overclock it on air up to ~3.8GHz using a AC Freezer 7 Pro. Will the Intel board allow me to easily overclock a non-extreme processor(I assume "enthusiast" settings in the BIOS will be disabled)?

Price difference is not an issue and I am unsure if the benifit of a crossfire setup will be worth the cost for me. If you had the option of buying either motherboard which would you get and why?

New System Specs:

psu - OCZ Powerstream 520W
mobo - D975XBX or P5B Deluxe
cpu - 930D -> E6700 by December
ram - 2Gb OCZ Platinum PC2-6400
gpu - Sapphire X1900XT -> DX10 card Q1 2007
hdd - WD Raptor 72Gb 10000rpm x 2

[ScottFern]

Honestly I would wait for the P5B because most of us already know its not going to fry when we turn the vdimm ALL THE WAY up to 2.2v and the amount of people with fried Bad Axe boards is alarming.

[Silver Bullet]

i'm going to point form this .. cuase otherwise it be too long :)

- AC Freezer 7 Pro, probably not going to get you up to 3.8Ghz, i would look into getting a Thermalright SI-120, Ultra 120 or Tuniq Tower 120 or even a Thermaltake Big Typhoon.

- As for the mobo choice, that really hard to say, for me I'm going the Asus rounte only becuase it cheaper ($50 i'm guessing) and since i already bought $500 in ram and a 150GB raptor for my C2D system any money saved else where helps. I think you have an eaiser time OCing with the Asus, which will give you better results im personally not sure.

- As for a crossfire setup, i would wait and see how the DX10 cards do, cuase i would suspect they be as faster or just a tick slower than the current cards in either SLI or CF.

- Also for CF, might want more power ... i'd say 650 or 700Ws

[k0nsl]

Why do you want the P5B? Is there anything special with the Intel P965 that I do not know of??

Why not go with a Asus P5W/DH/Deluxe - they should be available everywhere in a matter of days, they already are in many European locations, and its high-end...

-k0nsl

[CastorTroy]

I dont have much use for the remote or wifi parts the P5W DH so the extra cost of those may not be worth it, but I guess it would be wise to keep my options open for CF since the second pcie slot will run at 8x.

You expect the P5W DH to be available in the US within the next week? I live in Canada so if the US has it so will we.

[ScottFern]

I believe I heard the P5W will be available by next week but thats just going off word of mouth. Also, regarding the price, you are right, most people have no need for all the little extras but in the long run it has quality parts, excellent cooling on board, and will have proper BIOS support in the future. All these factors are reasons why I am currently considering this board.

In essence, the P5W will not give you a headache like so many other boards...(Bad Axe).

[davefr]

In essence, the P5W will not give you a headache like so many other boards...(Bad Axe).

How do you know since the P5W hasn't even been rigourously evaluated yet?

[ScottFern]

How do you know since the P5W hasn't even been rigourously evaluated yet?

Has Asus let us down yet with Intel mobos? Come on.....its an undisputed fact that ASUS makes top quality mobos and has excellent support for their boards.

You act like I just suggested that the new ECS intel board was a sure thing.

[Vric]

Has Asus let us down yet with Intel mobos?
yes they already did. :rolleyes: (P4S8X sound familiar ?)

[ScottFern]

yes they already did. :rolleyes: (P4S8X sound familiar ?)

Is that an intel chipset? No. :rolleyes:

[andyisc00l]

why does everyone waste $320 for 2 raptors in raid..

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=caviarre&page=7

only reason I have one is cuz I got it practically for free and its not my computer techincally:-)

for $180 you get 4 times the storage and a lil bit slower, but still fast..

and the friggen OCZ Powerstream 520w...everyone buys taht, its like friggen $150 and 33a on the 12v..not my money oh well

and everyoens always lovvess the arctic cooling for cpus, loveee the freezer 7 and loveee the zalman cnps9500/CNPS7700..bah!

[Vric]

Is that an intel chipset? No. :rolleyes:
Did you said Intel chipset or Intel Mobo ? :rolleyes: :p:

[ScottFern]

Did you said Intel chipset or Intel Mobo ? :rolleyes: :p:

You guys are way to anal. Yes, I did say Intel chipset by inference. I was referring to the P5W originally which IS a intel chipset.

[eva2000]

Honestly I would wait for the P5B because most of us already know its not going to fry when we turn the vdimm ALL THE WAY up to 2.2v and the amount of people with fried Bad Axe boards is alarming.
i thought that only happened with vdimm mod and not when stock unmodded ?

[grimREEFER]

p5b will be cheaper, and probly overclock better, but if crossfire is a must, go with a badaxe. p5b deluxe is pretty good though, its virtually the same as all the other 975 and 965 boards in terms of performance...

[Vice]

Does anyone have the approx. prices on the p5b/deluxe? I'm going to be using probably the deluxe for my conroe system. Those boards look mighty fine too.

[Anemone]

When taken as an overall, Asus manages to put out few bad boards and many gems. I think what people are referring to is that there is a strong likelihood that the P5WDH is at least a good board and might turn out to be very good or great after more tests. But with minimal to no testing you can put more faith in an Asus board than a DFI board. I used the word "more" because DFI doesn't generally make crud. They just have more experience making great AMD boards overall.

I'm leaning strongly to the P5WDH but I'll gladly take in all the testing that XS members bring to the table. That is, after all, why this is such a good community. Good or bad, we bring it all to the table and sort it out together.

[Vapor]

i thought that only happened with vdimm mod and not when stock unmodded ?No....any board that uses >~2.0V VDIMM with 2(+)GB of RAM will have a short life :(

That said....I would not get the 965 based boards. If the XBX is in your budget, get the P5W DH or even the cheaper DFI Infinity (yeah, budget board, but it hits hard).

[eva2000]

No....any board that uses >~2.0V VDIMM with 2(+)GB of RAM will have a short life :(

That said....I would not get the 965 based boards. If the XBX is in your budget, get the P5W DH or even the cheaper DFI Infinity (yeah, budget board, but it hits hard).
where was this info from ? first i heard this so >2v and 1GB ram fine ?? weird

[ScottFern]

No....any board that uses >~2.0V VDIMM with 2(+)GB of RAM will have a short life :(

That said....I would not get the 965 based boards. If the XBX is in your budget, get the P5W DH or even the cheaper DFI Infinity (yeah, budget board, but it hits hard).

YOu are referring to "ANY" Bad Axe board, right?

[hookid]

Asus P5B or MSI P965 Platinum or Abit AB9 Pro ?

Someone please help me decide!

[Anemone]

Asus
MSI

In that order. Wouldn't touch Abit myself.

[taemun]

Asus P5B or MSI P965 Platinum or Abit AB9 Pro ?

Someone please help me decide!

The ABIT board there has 9xSATA + 1xeSATA if you are a storage freak :)

Other than that, ... we need to wait for comparative reviews, FSB, vMem, vCore maximums etc

The details are a little light on the ground at the moment :(

[TyroPyro]

You might as well wait for a complete evaluation of the 965 boards, to find the best value

[Evilsizer]

abit has taken a hit in reguards to bios updates but with ocing options they are there. Even with there matx lg-81, if i could i would push it farther. the 4phase power and limiting cpu are limiting factors

[Mykou]

Is that an intel chipset? No. :rolleyes:

yeah , AFAIR I got one and it was a sis chipset ( 648 I think ) :)

[Evilsizer]

the only non-intel chipset to look imo is the new ati. Unless the new nv chipset can really clock this time around.

[i||uSi0n^]

I believe I heard the P5W will be available by next week but thats just going off word of mouth. Also, regarding the price, you are right, most people have no need for all the little extras but in the long run it has quality parts, excellent cooling on board, and will have proper BIOS support in the future. All these factors are reasons why I am currently considering this board.

In essence, the P5W will not give you a headache like so many other boards...(Bad Axe).

P5W DH Deluxe is available here in brussels/belgium since friday...so i dont see why it wont be showing up in other countires...

Link -> www.selection.be (http://www.shop.selection.be/c2s_products/c2s_ProdDetailsL3.ASP?Type=SUPERSTORE&ID=12&ref=88814509) (11 left now)

i||uSi0n^

[Pied]

No....any board that uses >~2.0V VDIMM with 2(+)GB of RAM will have a short life :(

whoa, are you serious? i'm about to get 2gb of ram myself

[SturmoV]

whoa, are you serious? i'm about to get 2gb of ram myself

yup he is. There seems to be a design flaw with power circuitry on Bad Axe.


Yep, DDR2 voltage above 2.2v will eventually cause failure of the VDDR upper regulating MOSFET due to overcurrent. The higher above 2.2v the faster the failure. Solution is a power MOSFET rated for a higher current...

-FCG

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103629

[hicookie]

i recommand INTEL D975XBX

[Pied]

sorry to jack the thread a bit but, is the design flaw isolated to the intels board? or is all of them affected.