Allendale @ 460FSB +

[FUGGER]

Moving up to the B0 stepping and put the Core 2 Dou E6300 1.8Ghz 2MB L2 Cache under the vapo for some FSB testing and to see if the 2MB makes any difference in overclocking.

If my Presler could hit this kind of bus speed it would give the AM2 a brutal beating in bandwidth.

This is the low end chip matching my 2.13Ghz A0 chip in speed and beating it on bus speed. This chip also allows full voltage from the mobo.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=97732

http://fugger.netfirms.com/460.jpg

Both cores enabled, memory timing at 4-4-4-x as I am pushing the FSB.

[gullf1sk]

Hah nice!

[eva2000]

woah nice :)

[ZX7891]

nice

[Fuji]

either the other 2 MB of L2 cache that it's missing makes a huge difference or the 2nd core helps a lot in super pi...

[n00b 0f l337]

Good job Fugger, keep pushing em, maybe try two cores from now on.

[farksy]

Wow this IS prety sick ... =D.

[theteamaqua]

but fugger you have like one of the best phase change cooling, can normal people with air cooling do that?? lol

[Evilsizer]

is this cpu using less voltage to reach the same clocks as the A0?

[IvanAndreevich]

How much on air out of that chip?

[FUGGER]

Yep, more voltage and single core cannot get me past 477FSB. I am limited on bus speed with this chip. Multiplier is too small.

[farksy]

Yep, more voltage and single core cannot get me past 477FSB. I am limited on bus speed with this chip. Multiplier is too small.
Then again, almost 2Ghz of bus speed is nothing to laugh at. If it could hit 500FSB, i think it would be the world's first too. =D

[Evilsizer]

Then again, almost 2Ghz of bus speed is nothing to laugh at. If it could hit 500FSB, i think it would be the world's first too. =D
I bet with some tweaking he could do it too.

[death metal]

Very nice FSB FUGGER!

[zerotol]

wow very nice :clap:

[911]

This 2MB cached Conroe's are something that i'm very curious.

So FUGGER, is it possible to post some benchies (maybe a real life like bench such as Cinebench ?) that's comparing this one and a 4MB Conroe ? [hope not asking too much from you...]

It'd be great to see how L2 cache differs [ideally at the same clock speeds] since i'm sure this will affect many people's buying decision :)

Thanks in advance...

[GoThr3k]

This 2MB cached Conroe's are something that i'm very curious.

So FUGGER, is it possible to post some benchies that's comparing this one and a 4MB Conroe ? [hope not asking too much from you...]

It'd be great to see how L2 cache differs [ideally at the same clock speeds] since i'm sure this will affect many people's buying decision :)

Thanks in advance...
would like to see that too :p:

[Evilsizer]

guys the only way to compare the 2 would be to have both the 2.4ghz 2mb vs 2.4ghz 4mb. I havent seen the 2.4ghz 2mb es yet, unless he has a ES and is not locked on upping the multi.

[railer]

Nice OC fugger. how much this cpu will be priced at? I want to see aquamark on this bus speed. So like 2.8 on air? This could be a budjet gaming system cpu

[911]

guys the only way to compare the 2 would be to have both the 2.4ghz 2mb vs 2.4ghz 4mb. I havent seen the 2.4ghz 2mb es yet, unless he has a ES and is not locked on upping the multi.

Sure you're right that it wouldn't be a %100 fair comparison since both CPU won't be running the same FSB (2MB 1.86 should be OCed in any case) yet still i believe that even a comparison like that will satisfy me & people like me ;)

So FUGGER, we're waiting here for a comparison anxiously :D

[Evilsizer]

Sure you're right that it wouldn't be a %100 fair comparison since both CPU won't be running the same FSB (2MB 1.86 should be OCed in any case) yet still i believe that even a comparison like that will satisfy me & people like me ;)

So FUGGER, we're waiting here for a comparison anxiously :D
fugger doesnt have to its been done already.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2657
while not on a 875 or 965, the ati chipset is showing promise.


Nice OC fugger. how much this cpu will be priced at? I want to see aquamark on this bus speed. So like 2.8 on air? This could be a budjet gaming system cpu
i dought much performance(GAMING) difference will be seen between the 2mb and 4mb clock per clock. More of a difference would be seen if the 2mb was using a faster FSB speed.
*current*
E6200 2MB 1.60GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $179. us
E6300 2MB 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $209. us
E6400 2MB 2.13GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $239. us
E6500 2MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $269. us
E6600 4MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $309. us (65 Watts)
E6700 4MB 2.67GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $529. us
E6800 4MB 2.93GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $749. us
E6900 4MB 3.20GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $969. us

[railer]

You right there Evilsizer. I noticed that when i was benching my dothan in AM3. I know that Higher FSB gives me nice boost in games. I testes that with many games and preffer to run best combo cpu speed/fsb. But comparing to my dothan which is very fast in games;) this budget cpu even @ 2.8 on air with such crazy FSB will do just fine.

[Evilsizer]

You right there Evilsizer. I noticed that when i was benching my dothan in AM3. I know that Higher FSB gives me nice boost in games. I testes that with many games and preffer to run best combo cpu speed/fsb. But comparing to my dothan which is very fast in games;) this budget cpu even @ 2.8 on air with such crazy FSB will do just fine.
while fugger is on phase, im crossing my fingers for a board that can do 400fsb on air. would be sweet im looking at the 2.4ghz 2mb my self, if 400fsb is able to be had on air. I will be saving my pennies for the 2.66ghz 4mb then since the multi is 10x. that would be just OMG AIR 4ghz :slobber:

[Kjaks]

A 2MB Conroe will perform the same as a 4MB Conroe at the same speed/bus running two instances of super pi because of the shared cache.

After seeing a comparision of Merom running at the same speed as Conroe, but with much lower FSB it seems like the Core architecture doesn't gain much performance of a higher bus speed (at least above a certain level.) The total core speed has alot more to say. Therefore I think one should buy a 4MB Conroe because of the cache size and the higher multiplier, atleast for running super-pi, but I'm not sure how the improved cache size will improve performance in the really important benchmarks.

[FUGGER]

Stock vcore I can boot @ 333FSB

1.4v I can boot to 30% over 333FSB = 433FSB

NB @ 1.6v
Memory @ 2.2v

http://fugger.netfirms.com/default.jpg

Ok, I give up. WTF is this??

http://fugger.netfirms.com/awaymode.jpg

[Big_Sam]

Ok, I give up. WTF is this??



Nice screen, FUGGER :D
But I will not have not enough imagination to assume what it is.

[cadaveca]

Temps?

[s7e9h3n]

http://fugger.netfirms.com/460.jpg


Hmmm...interesting....While there's an obvious improvement in the architecture, I would have thought the difference between Core and Core 2 would have been much bigger......Yonah on air:

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9991/252x131m6hm.jpg

[farksy]

Stock vcore I can boot @ 333FSB

1.4v I can boot to 30% over 333FSB = 433FSB

NB @ 1.6v
Memory @ 2.2v

http://fugger.netfirms.com/default.jpg

Ok, I give up. WTF is this??

http://fugger.netfirms.com/awaymode.jpg

Lol ! AMD hacked into Intel's chip !?!?

[Kjaks]

Hmmm...interesting....While there's an obvious improvement in the architecture, I would have thought the difference between Core and Core 2 would have been much bigger......Yonah on air:

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9991/252x131m6hm.jpg
Interesting, but how tweaked is that OS?

[s7e9h3n]

Interesting, but how tweaked is that OS?
It's not tweaked at all ;)

[kiwi]

SP maybe not so huge but in 3D I'd say there is a HUGE difference. I am getting like 7-8K more 2k1 at the same speed vs yonah.

[death metal]

*lol* at the screenshot!

[s7e9h3n]

SP maybe not so huge but in 3D I'd say there is a HUGE difference. I am getting like 7-8K more 2k1 at the same speed vs yonah.
It's cuz your conroe is 4mb l2 cache :stick: :p:

[RyderOCZ]

Ok, I give up. WTF is this??

http://fugger.netfirms.com/awaymode.jpgThat is to keep the Fanboys out of your thread, and your PC.
I think it monitors and says "AMD............no CPU for you"

[Vric]

guys the only way to compare the 2 would be to have both the 2.4ghz 2mb vs 2.4ghz 4mb. I havent seen the 2.4ghz 2mb es yet, unless he has a ES and is not locked on upping the multi.

You can't higher the multi, but you can lower it.

So a E6600 with 7x multi would make a good comparison with that chip.
Compare both at 1.86. Then we will see if the 4MB cache worth it.

[Johnny Bravo]

From Guru3D


Microsoft's Away Mode is also a requirement for AMD Live! compliant systems. Away Mode will allow a system to shutdown all components that are unused by a user when they are "away" from the machine. Some of the components listed are: displays, keyboards, mice, remote controls, and other non essentials. The machine continues to operate normally, with the power LED on the system will indicate an off state -- although safety issues may arise from a user thinking that the machine is off when in fact, it's still operating. According to Away Mode specifications, the machine will continue to operate normally so that tasks such as file downloading and transferring can still take place without requiring much power. Away Mode is only supported in Microsoft's Windows XP Media Center Edition with Rollup 2 update. Apparently, the Away Mode feature is part of the Live! specification and is not a feature available to Intel Viiv systems.

Nothing to fear then Fugger...apart from the fact it shouldn't even be there! :D

[Gautam]

Hmmm...interesting....While there's an obvious improvement in the architecture, I would have thought the difference between Core and Core 2 would have been much bigger......Yonah on air:

There *is* a very large difference- this is just 3158MHz:

http://www.ocforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=50486&stc=1&d=1147922522

[s7e9h3n]

There *is* a very large difference- this is just 3158MHz:

Ummmm....please read post #34 :p:

[althes]

keep up the good work fugger

[Gautam]

Ummmm....please read post #34 :p:
Quite a head scratcher...I still can't believe that this architecture relies so heavily on cache... :shrug: core 2 is quite different from core, sort of sad to think that the cache by itself is where most of the oopmh seems to be coming from. :-/

[Stelios]

Away mode : http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/f/7/af7777e5-7dcd-4800-8a0a-b18336565f5b/awaymode.doc

[kiwi]

It's cuz your conroe is 4mb l2 cache :stick: :p:

I think 2MB models will do similar, maybe 1K-2K less than 4MB models

[865pe]

There *is* a very large difference- this is just 3158MHz:

http://www.ocforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=50486&stc=1&d=1147922522
T7200 mobile?

[cupholder2.0]

Quite a head scratcher...I still can't believe that this architecture relies so heavily on cache... :shrug: core 2 is quite different from core, sort of sad to think that the cache by itself is where most of the oopmh seems to be coming from. :-/

There a lot more to core than just the cache :fact: . Like the 4 x86 decoders for example. But it does look somewhat cache dependent.

[[XC] moddolicous]

I suppose your running the mem 1:1 right fugger?? These are some very good results. A good chip running 6x400 with mem running 1:1. That sounds like a good gaming rig.

[Gautam]

There a lot more to core than just the cache :fact: . Like the 4 x86 decoders for example. But it does look somewhat cache dependent.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Which is why its so odd that a Yonah is able to keep up with it...I guess pi is just very cache-centric, in 3D it should be a different story.

[oijkue]

Are conroe and Allendale have the same die size?

[Evilsizer]

Are conroe and Allendale have the same die size?
allendale is conroe it just doesnt have the extra 2mb L2 enabled. What do you think they would do with all the early dies that had some bad L2 cache on it.

[s7e9h3n]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Which is why its so odd that a Yonah is able to keep up with it...I guess pi is just very cache-centric, in 3D it should be a different story.
For the most part, the shorter PI runs seem to be most affected by the difference in L2 Cache, but run a 32m and the gap lessens even more. Just take a look at the performance of Core Solo vs. Core Duo and you'll see what I mean ;)

[Gautam]

Yeah you're definitely correct about 32M. I didn't even bother running that on the Merom, virtually equal clock for clock to Yonah.

[irev210]

The best part about these lower end chips is the price.

Nice job FUGGER, awesome results.

[thunderstruck!]

fugger doesnt have to its been done already.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2657
while not on a 875 or 965, the ati chipset is showing promise.


i dought much performance(GAMING) difference will be seen between the 2mb and 4mb clock per clock. More of a difference would be seen if the 2mb was using a faster FSB speed.
*current*
E6200 2MB 1.60GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $179. us
E6300 2MB 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $209. us
E6400 2MB 2.13GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $239. us
E6500 2MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $269. us
E6600 4MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $309. us (65 Watts)
E6700 4MB 2.67GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $529. us
E6800 4MB 2.93GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $749. us
E6900 4MB 3.20GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $969. us
The E6600 looks more appealing, $220 less than the E6700, and with a 9x multi, it's good for running mem 1:1 with fsb. 4-5Ghz, 1:1, runs the mem at 444-555mhz. I doubt we'll see much over that for 24/7, since 5Ghz is the WR w/ LN2 right now.

[CompGeek]

The unlocked multi and cherry picked core sure do make me drool over that 6800 though :hehe:

[s7e9h3n]

The unlocked multi and cherry picked core sure do make me drool over that 6800 though :hehe:
Can someone please point me to ANY screenshot of a ES6800 running with the x12 multi?

[thunderstruck!]

The unlocked multi and cherry picked core sure do make me drool over that 6800 though :hehe:
Cherry picked? It's like the FX version of Core 2 Duo, and instead of the FX-60 you got the Opteron ;)

[thunderstruck!]

Can someone please point me to ANY screenshot of a ES6800 running with the x12 multi?
http://u-san.net/c-board/file/X6800-4998_10s312.gif

[CompGeek]

Can someone please point me to ANY screenshot of a ES6800 running with the x12 multi?
freecableguy's thread anyone?

[thunderstruck!]

freecableguy's thread anyone?
Nope, not in there. His cpu-z shot uses a 9x multi.

[s7e9h3n]

Nope, not in there. His cpu-z shot uses a 9x multi.
Thanks :toast:

[CompGeek]

Nope, not in there. His cpu-z shot uses a 9x multi.
Ah, I was just reading and I saw posts about the multi being unlocked, i assumed his pics would reflect that.

[FUGGER]

My boot speed and should be obtainable by anyone with phase and this setup. My memory will go to 460 1:1 @ 3-3-3-9 2.2v

My mobo has no mods other than debug jumper.

This would be a likely safe spot for people going after this setup. ambiant temp of 77F, 85F in case.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=97994

Memory runs a bit warm, but should be fine. No NB fan, 120mm at front and back of case.

[freecableguy]

For those that are asking about Conroe multipliers, here's the definative statement. I can't speak for retail Conroe and guarantee anything (since no one has a retail chip yet). But this I do know:

1) Conroe ES is unlocked from 6x to the default multiplier for that speed. (ie., 6-8x for E6400, 6-9x for E6600, 6-10x for E6700, etc.)

2) Conroe XE ES is FULLY unlocked both up and down (to 6x).

Thanks!

-FCG

[Silves]

This is what i get with watercooling:
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9892/conroea2750spi1m4wq.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=conroea2750spi1m4wq.jpg)
It has EIST on.
Vcore 1,4v.

[Evilsizer]

2) Conroe XE ES is FULLY unlocked both up and down (to 6x).

Thanks!

-FCG
"That's Hot!"

[yotomeczek]

Moving up to the B0 stepping and put the Core 2 Dou E6300 1.8Ghz 2MB L2 Cache under the vapo for some FSB testing and to see if the 2MB makes any difference in overclocking.

If my Presler could hit this kind of bus speed it would give the AM2 a brutal beating in bandwidth.

This is the low end chip matching my 2.13Ghz A0 chip in speed and beating it on bus speed. This chip also allows full voltage from the mobo.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=97732

http://fugger.netfirms.com/460.jpg

Both cores enabled, memory timing at 4-4-4-x as I am pushing the FSB.

Is that max FSB ??

[Evilsizer]

My memory will go to 460 1:1 @ 3-3-3-9 2.2v


what memory does this? must get!

[Kesnel]

Very nice Fugger. :toast:

Would it be possible to get this chip on your RD600 board to test the max fsb? Would be great to see. :)

[PkG.1337]

Bus speed is as fast as the chip's stock clock speed!

[s7e9h3n]

what memory does this? must get!
Corsair 6400UL C3 - $450+ per set :eek:

[Evilsizer]

Corsair 6400UL C3 - $450+ per set :eek:
OMFG, nvm... i will keep dreaming about such sweet ram... anything like half the price that ocs well?:(

[Kunaak]

I went reading on Google, and found alittle info that I think relates to this AMD Awaymode thing.

it seems to be a part of AMD Live, which seems to be some little program for media, that supposedly gives a little boost in responsiveness when coming out of hibernation, and when doing things, like watching tv from multiple sources and such...

http://www.osnn.net/comments.php?shownews=12903

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1969735,00.asp

but why its called AMD Awaymode I have no idea, it seems to be a microsoft feature... I think they worked together to come up with it or something.

anyways, thats my guess, after skimming over a few boring articles.

[ksimp88]

Is there a smiley for "we are not worthy!!" ???

[Andrewv]

Allendale this is Conroe but only with 2mb l2 ?

[pik-ard v1.1]

yes, but also without speed step (EIST), and virtualization technology (VT).

[Nazu]

Allendale this is Conroe but only with 2mb l2 ?
Correct.

[Andrewv]

Correct.
thanks

[Andrewv]

yes, but also without speed step (EIST), and virtualization technology (VT).

VT looks useful for those who use 2 OS on PC

[s7e9h3n]

Is there a smiley for "we are not worthy!!" ???
Yes..here it is...http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3536/5680zd.gif...j/k....:p: