FX62 Vs Conroe E6700 at Coolaler.com

[rascalboy]

www.coolaler.com (http://www.coolaler.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=470)

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[C Stat B]

A nice comparison, good work Coolaler.

His FX-60 PI time is weird though, My Venice @ 2.85GHz is faster.

[GoThr3k]

Ddr2 ??

[PcCI2iminal]

nice work

:clap:

[Skyline GT-R]

The Super PI time seems right to me, if you check (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101105) this thread by OPP where he is testing a FX62. You can see he is getting 25.203s @ 3.25GHz :)

Nice compare Coolaler :up:

[Durzel]

So are the 3DMark05 and 06 scores showing that both systems are GPU bound? Is that 7900 GTX SLI or just one card?

I can't understand how Conroe would be faster in 3DMark01 and 03, yet about the same in 05 and 06....

:confused:

[dnottis]

So are the 3DMark05 and 06 scores showing that both systems are GPU bound? Is that 7900 GTX SLI or just one card?

I can't understand how Conroe would be faster in 3DMark01 and 03, yet about the same in 05 and 06....

:confused:


Cause 3dmark 05 and 06 are primarily GPU based tests, 01 is alot of memory speed / timings and CPU overclock. Overclocking a CPU in 05 and 06 doesnt affect the overall score more than a few points.

[nCrusader]

Fair compare? A $1000 CPU overclocked against a ~$600 CPU at stock speed?

[Vric]

//* AMDboy troll *//

But it wasn't on AM2 with DDR2 memory.. Intel is cheating.. It's unfair... :p:
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Good job Coolaler.. Can't wait to get mine (23 July is too far...)

[idiotec]

Is it under clocked to 2.4 in some of the tests? :confused:

[menlatin]

I thought fx-62 would only be am2. fx-60 would be both.

[Rickster_64]

Well Intel finally stepped up to bat with Conroe/Mernom. If its that good @ stock, what happens with the cascade setups and some serious clockage? I haven't bought Intel since my P3-800 that did 1.2ghz but this is gonna be total ownage and I will be switching this winter.

[Fuji]

Why is the FSB at 1.2 GHz as opposed to 1066 MHz? And what's up with it being at 2.4 GHz

[wildcard]

How overclockable are the conroe chips? Might be good to compare a maxxed out conroe vs a maxxed out FX-62

[savantu]

How overclockable are the conroe chips? Might be good to compare a maxxed out conroe vs a maxxed out FX-62

Hahaha...LMAO

This is the joke of the day... :slap:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101190&page=6

[Getttosmurf]

How overclockable are the conroe chips? Might be good to compare a maxxed out conroe vs a maxxed out FX-62

dude you missed a few threads :D

[hipro5]

How overclockable are the conroe chips? Might be good to compare a maxxed out conroe vs a maxxed out FX-62

3.7 to 3.9GHz on AIR is it good?.....:)

[realsmasher]

you mean 2.7 :D

i think he was answering this question :

>> "How overclockable are the conroe chips?"

[M.Beier]

So are the 3DMark05 and 06 scores showing that both systems are GPU bound? Is that 7900 GTX SLI or just one card?

I can't understand how Conroe would be faster in 3DMark01 and 03, yet about the same in 05 and 06....

:confused:

Cause X2 seem to be a bit better at multithreads - and the shared cache is also an issue when it comes to single core versus dualcore percentage performance increase..

[iboomalot]

superpi does seem slow

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=78183&d=1131635799

my 4400+ at 2.94 ghz is low 28s

[hipro5]

you mean 2.7 :D

No I mean 3.7 - 3.9GHz ON AIR as for the Conroe CPU......AMD about 3 - 3.15GHz....;)

[fagin]

So are the 3DMark05 and 06 scores showing that both systems are GPU bound? Is that 7900 GTX SLI or just one card?

I can't understand how Conroe would be faster in 3DMark01 and 03, yet about the same in 05 and 06....

:confused:

Because the FX62 is at 3GHz and the Conroe at 2.67GHz.... 01 and 03 benefit more from the efficient architecture. Conroe needs to be a bit higher before overtaking.......

[iboomalot]

No I mean 3.7 - 3.9GHz ON AIR as for the Conroe CPU......AMD about 3 - 3.15GHz....;)


i saw the 6700 at 3.7 and the 6800 at 3.8 who did the 3.9 ??

[charlie]

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[M.Beier]

yeah and what's not normal about this?:)

i hope you see the difference between 65nm tech and 90nm tech
intel would not reach it without going 65nm...

amd wil launch 3.4/3.ghz boxed air cooled cpu soon, why? 65nm :)
being realistic as a fan doesn't hurt ;)

AMD will be ahead once 65nm A64 is launched, but... I actually think penryn will hit stores VERY close to AMD 65nm,... And 65nm vs. 45nm, back to the current stage.

[charlie]

with guys like kingpin and oppainter and kinc,
conroe wil not slaughter AMD in 05 or 06 :)
any comments on this statement?:)

lol

when OPP, Kingpin and KINC run Conroe... AMD will be delegated to 3rd or 4th page status.

[Tasselhof]

Real thanks for cinebench results :)

[GoThr3k]

lol

when OPP, Kingpin and KINC run Conroe... AMD will be delegated to 3rd or 4th page status.
lol, but its true :)

45nm isnt planned before 2008 so dont count on it next year

65nm should be ok, hitting 3.4ghz shouldnt be any problem, it could release a 3.2ghz with 90nm, but with higher TDP
@willis
you mean massacre, right?

[M.Beier]

Well, Im counting on it for Q2-Q3 @ 2007, but what the heck ;)

Charlie, rename "Xtreme Fanboy" :p:

[cupholder2.0]

AMD will be ahead once 65nm A64 is launched, but... I actually think penryn will hit stores VERY close to AMD 65nm,... And 65nm vs. 45nm, back to the current stage.

There is no reason for the A64 to beat Conroe even with 65nm. The K8 is just inferior to core and die shrinks will not solve that. AMD can only overtake Conroe with a new architecture and this won't happen for a while. Besides, like you said, Intel has 45nm coming anyway..

[IamAnoobieCheez]

with guys like kingpin and oppainter and kinc,
conroe wil not slaughter AMD in 05 or 06 :)
any comments on this statement?:)
3dmark 05 and 06 are ghey benchmarks. I would not even spend my time running those benches. I wouldn't run it(no matter what CPU is since it's not system dependent) even if somebody come knock on my door, get on his knees and kiss my shoes and offer me $100 bucks and begging me to run those benches. I'll tell the guy "Get lost".


The top benchmarks are:
- 3Dmark 2001
- Quake3
- Quake4

These would be the top three. Case closed.

[GoThr3k]

There is no reason for the A64 to beat Conroe even with 65nm. The K8 is just inferior to core and die shrinks will not solve that. AMD can only overtake Conroe with a new architecture and this won't happen for a while. Besides, like you said, Intel has 45nm coming anyway..
45nm isnt coming very soon :stick:

[cupholder2.0]

3dmark 05 and 06 are ghey benchmarks. I would not even spend my time running those benches. I wouldn't run it(no matter what CPU is since it's not system dependent) even if somebody come knock on my door, get on his knees and kiss my shoes and offer me $100 bucks and begging me to run those benches. I'll tell the guy "Get lost".


The top benchmarks are:
- 3Dmark 2001
- Quake3
- Quake4

These would be the top three. Case closed.

I agree, 3dmark 05 and 06 suck ass for benching the system as a whole.

[M.Beier]

05 + 01se + Am3.....

[gullf1sk]

with guys like kingpin and oppainter and kinc,
conroe wil not slaughter AMD in 05 or 06 :)
any comments on this statement?:)

Its weird tho.. Futuremark removed ALOT of Conroe based results.. FCGs and Collalers included. If i remember correctly, those were higher then any of the AM2 benches.

I wonder why Futuremark removed the Conroe benches :confused:

[hipro5]

with guys like kingpin and oppainter and kinc,
conroe wil not slaughter AMD in 05 or 06 :)
any comments on this statement?:)

Don't say that coz you haven't even seeing a Conroe at 5GHz under LN2 benching 3D with 2 x X1900XTXs at 1GHz/1GHz each under dual-head cascade -100*C.........When the time comes, we'll see......;)

[railer]

Don't say that coz you haven't even seeing a Conroe at 5GHz under LN2 benching 3D with 2 x X1900XTXs at 1GHz/1GHz each under dual-head cascade -100*C.........When the time comes, we'll see......;)
And you will be the one that shows us:D I realy liked your Dothan results. Go Hipro, go get a XE conroe and show them

[M.Beier]

George, got those 2* 1/1GHZ cards laying near?? Can you please send them ?? ;)

[Iconyu]

Its weird tho.. Futuremark removed ALOT of Conroe based results.. FCGs and Collalers included. If i remember correctly, those were higher then any of the AM2 benches.

I wonder why Futuremark removed the Conroe benches :confused:

Over 40 days until launch was the official reason. They also do this with new videocards from both ATi and nVidia so it's not something new.

[hipro5]

George, got those 2* 1/1GHZ cards laying near?? Can you please send them ?? ;)

Heh, heh, heh.......No we need them.....for the time been......:) ;)

[M.Beier]

Come on, send it along with 2x tubes from gorillakos :p:

[kiwi]

still 5 pages higher then intel the past few years :lol::D

j/k :banana:

Joke or not joke, but imo P4 @ 7Ghz is not so bad. There are a few ~55K scores with them which is certainly not bad at all. It is just, that most results were only SP by our japanese guys and they did not bench 3dmark that much :)

And remember there was also so powerful dothan :)

[charlie]

Well, Im counting on it for Q2-Q3 @ 2007, but what the heck ;)

Charlie, rename "Xtreme Fanboy" :p:

Lol... if you looked back at some of my FX51/53/55/57/60 threads... I was a big time AMD fan boy, too... whatever is faster at the time, you know?

[M.Beier]

Lol... if you looked back at some of my FX51/53/55/57/60 threads... I was a big time AMD fan boy, too... whatever is faster at the time, you know?

Same oppinion Charlie, but, arhh, dont know the word... You moon AMD and say shi*t about them, which isnt appropiate since the crew, which you are a part of, launched a "campaign" telling ppl to behaive as far as fanboyism goes...

Well, I dont think your makin' an example here mate, but hell, call Charles @ phone and have a word with him, he's the boss :)

[theteamaqua]

i thought one of the picture suggest that E6700 was underclock @ 2.4 GHz?? so the benchmark wasnt running at 2.4 GHz??

[IvanAndreevich]

I agree, 3dmark 05 and 06 suck ass for benching the system as a whole.
Imagine how much Quad SLI is limited by CPU :rolleyes: Now take 5 GHz Conroe (which is ~ 7 GHz K8). Ownage :slap:

Oh and whoever is saying that K8 will beat Conroe @ 65nm.. PURE BS. If you can use a calculator you can confirm it for yourself.

Conroe owns pure and simple. K8 got NOTHING on it @ 65nm or even at 45nm. I haven't used an Intel in my primary rig since Pentium 3 Coppermine because Intel was crap (with a notable exception of when they got ahead with Northwoods for a bit before K8 came out). Guess what? Intel is going to be ahead now and I will buying Conroe because it is -

1) Much faster (biggest jump in performance since 486->Pentium IMO)
2) Cheaper
3) Lower power consumption
4) Overclocking potential is crazy
5) WTF else do you need?

[shogan191]

5) WTF else do you need? Just a board and a chip. LOL

[Your_Boss]

Is it under clocked to 2.4 in some of the tests? :confused:


I think both. He clocked some Conroe scores at 2.7Ghz and some at 2.4Ghz. I also saw him compare SPI times with clock speeds of 1.7Ghz.

A Conroe at 1.7Ghz = 29.625 1M Super PI
AMD FX-62 at 3Ghz = 29.828 1M Super PI

So you can see the difference of the clock for equal scores. :)

I don't think everything will scale this way but it sure is impressive. :clap:

See it here http://www.coolaler.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=470

[GoThr3k]

Imagine how much Quad SLI is limited by CPU :rolleyes: Now take 5 GHz Conroe (which is ~ 7 GHz K8). Ownage :slap:

Oh and whoever is saying that K8 will beat Conroe @ 65nm.. PURE BS. If you can use a calculator you can confirm it for yourself.

Conroe owns pure and simple. K8 got NOTHING on it @ 65nm or even at 45nm. I haven't used an Intel in my primary rig since Pentium 3 Coppermine because Intel was crap (with a notable exception of when they got ahead with Northwoods for a bit before K8 came out). Guess what? Intel is going to be ahead now and I will buying Conroe because it is -

1) Much faster (biggest jump in performance since 486->Pentium IMO)
2) Cheaper
3) Lower power consumption
4) Overclocking potential is crazy
5) WTF else do you need?
thats when you keep overclocking mind :)
99.9% from pc owners dont overclock their cpu mate
if amd crancks up the speed it will be a tie
at stock i think

[duploxxx]

nice work and comparison, we know that conroe owns 32bit en single thread due to its large fast cache. can you run a comparison of cinebench in 64bit? i know its a lot of work

you will see what i mean, calculated some test i've seen and for now the difference i performance proffit is really owned by amd

conroe + 17-18% performance
k8 +31-38% performance

there goes the future

[vintage_guitar]

Link to results, or just speculation?

[savantu]

AMD will be ahead once 65nm A64 is launched...

Why ? You simply assume AMD will pull a 3.4GHz DC out of its basement just like that ?

Frankly I would be surprised if they will match the 90nm speed in the 1st few months of 2007 until yields ramp up and the process matures.

[kl0012]

you will see what i mean, calculated some test i've seen and for now the difference i performance proffit is really owned by amd

conroe + 17-18% performance
k8 +31-38% performance

there goes the future
First of all even with less scaling factor Conroe will beat AMD on 64 bit clock-to-clock:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101497
FX-62 3GHz
1 CPU 422*1.31 = 553

Conroe 2.7GHz
1 CPU 469*1.18 = 553

The second thing is scaling factor which depends on the used aplication. For example context C4D Shading (form Cinebench 2003) (32bit->64bit):

K8 +3-4%
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=873546&postcount=1

Conroe +17-18%
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1481883&postcount=1

[M.Beier]

Imagine how much Quad SLI is limited by CPU :rolleyes: Now take 5 GHz Conroe (which is ~ 7 GHz K8). Ownage :slap:

Oh and whoever is saying that K8 will beat Conroe @ 65nm.. PURE BS. If you can use a calculator you can confirm it for yourself.

Conroe owns pure and simple. K8 got NOTHING on it @ 65nm or even at 45nm. I haven't used an Intel in my primary rig since Pentium 3 Coppermine because Intel was crap (with a notable exception of when they got ahead with Northwoods for a bit before K8 came out). Guess what? Intel is going to be ahead now and I will buying Conroe because it is -

1) Much faster (biggest jump in performance since 486->Pentium IMO)
2) Cheaper
3) Lower power consumption
4) Overclocking potential is crazy
5) WTF else do you need?

Have you seen swordfish??? - Well, when the hacker got 1 min to get into pentagon, he gets a special service... - Anyhow, THAT I need WHILE benching the gear :D

[Kaiser_Sose]

I wouold like to see a cinebench cpu render test comparison when these two cpus are at their max air cooling oc

[duploxxx]

First of all even with less scaling factor Conroe will beat AMD on 64 bit clock-to-clock:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101497
FX-62 3GHz
1 CPU 422*1.31 = 553

Conroe 2.7GHz
1 CPU 469*1.18 = 553

The second thing is scaling factor which depends on the used aplication. For example context C4D Shading (form Cinebench 2003) (32bit->64bit):

K8 +3-4%

Conroe +17-18%
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1481883&postcount=1


ehh nice try, calculate again thast 30% not 3%...:cool:

and the other benches, thats 32 bit, yes conroe has better clock performance... try this again on 64bit

[kl0012]

ehh nice try, calculate again thast 30% not 3%...:cool:

and the other benches, thats 32 bit, yes conroe has better clock performance... try this again on 64bit

Where exactly I did be wrong?