Junior is here

[Nedjo]

I was so eager to get my hand on this sweet little mobo, and now when it's finally here let me share few impressions on blitz:

good
1. excellent build quality - this mobo hasn't got anything to be a shame off for being a bit shorter than the rest of enthusiast mobos from DFI
2.Layout is just great. I was afraid that 'cos of chipset, and PWM heat
spreaders height I will not be able to install Scythe
"NINJA PLUS Rev.B! But, it sits excelent, and the best thing is that I don't need to use springs to atach fan on cooler! I simply use PWM and chipset heat spreader to support CPU fan
3. BIOS is "clean and lean" nice to navigate, and easy to tweak.



bad
1. there's option in BIOS to use Sideport and UMA memory , or just UMA, but there's no option to only use Sideport.
2. There's no option for changing NB multi
3. No option to enable "CPU Tweak" from with in the BIOS


All in all I love the fact that there's no chokes squealing, and all works great...
Regarding the O'cing here's what I was able to score with this Ninja rev. B:

[dirtyd]

Looking good! What cooling are you using? Gonna try some HTT clocking to see if you can push it further?

[Brother Esau]

Hey Nedjo could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please

[xPliziT]

Does it have a NB multilpier option in BIOS?

[Brother Esau]

Also what is the Performance of the HDD on the New SB750? I hope there is vast improvement over the SB600 for stability and data integrity sakes !

[Lastviking]

I was so eager to get my hand on this sweet little mobo, and now when it's finally here let me share few impressions on blitz:

good
1. excellent build quality - this mobo hasn't got anything to be a shame off for being a bit shorter than the rest of enthusiast mobos from DFI
2.Layout is just great. I was afraid that 'cos of chipset, and PWM heat
spreaders height I will not be able to install Scythe
"NINJA PLUS Rev.B! But, it sits excelent, and the best thing is that I don't need to use springs to atach fan on cooler! I simply use PWM and chipset heat spreader to support CPU fan
3. BIOS is "clean and lean" nice to navigate, and easy to tweak.


1. there's option in BIOS to use Sideport and UMA memory , or just UMA, but there's no option to only use Sideport.
2. There's no option for changing NB multi
3. No option to enable "CPU Tweak" from with in the BIOS


All in all I love the fact that there's no chokes squealing, and all works great...
Regarding the O'cing here's what I was able to score with this Ninja rev. B:

What is real vcore is it 1.2v?

[DeepThought86]

Also would you mind posting some benchmarks, Cinebench, Fritz and Particle's little custom benchmark? I'm trying to see if sticking in an X3 on my M2A-VM would be worth it as the cheapest upgrade

[Nedjo]

Looking good! What cooling are you using? Gonna try some HTT clocking to see if you can push it further?

as I wrote - Scythe "NINJA PLUS Rev.B

Hey Nedjo could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please

will do as soon as I get more time to play with it

Does it have a NB multilpier option in BIOS?

as I wrote - no NB multi option in BIOS

Also what is the Performance of the HDD on the New SB750? I hope there is vast improvement over the SB600 for stability and data integrity sakes !

didn't do much on that field... only thing that I've noticed is that AHCI works w/o any problems... for almost a year now I have 790FX+SB600 combo and didn't noticed any stability or data integrity issues

What is real vcore is it 1.2v?

1.2V is the VID, and the real Vcore is 1.375, but under load mobo does slightingly overvolt, so the real voltage - If you believe ITE Smart Guardian is 1.4V

Also would you mind posting some benchmarks, Cinebench, Fritz and Particle's little custom benchmark? I'm trying to see if sticking in an X3 on my M2A-VM would be worth it as the cheapest upgrade

will do but now off to sleep

[justapost]

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.

[Jaivan]

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.

I'm not sure if this is correct, but think that NB VID is labeled as NB Core in the BIOS.
Not sure though can would really appreciate it if someone helps me confirm this.

[justapost]

I'm not sure if this is correct, but think that NB VID is labeled as NB Core in the BIOS.
Not sure though can would really appreciate it if someone helps me confirm this.

NB Core is the chipset part voltage. The CPU's part is labled CPU-NB VID on the 790FX if i remember correct.
After hitting F9 on the main page, it is possible to modify the CPU's and NB's FID's and DID's (multis) but not the VID's.
So if you select an cpu voltage in the bios it will be applied as an offset to the default VID's of both CPU and NB. Problem is the NB has lower voltage limits than the cpu. I have this board since a few weeks and think it's only pro is that it is mATX. But for that form factor i'd expect an lower pwm/chipset temp at stock than 70°C (without an extra fan in an desktop cube case with two case fan's).

BTW: Have you found the vCore points for the DMM on the Asus board?

[Nedjo]

Hey Nedjo could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please

here you go Bro, default values:



This X3 8750 Black Edition is one amazingly cool CPU! Of course all kudos to mobo also, 'cos to get these temps you really need to have well designed PWM unit that will not heat-up CPU! Yeah Ninja Rev. B and OCZ's compound does help

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.

I've tried this!

You get the options for NB fid, and TLB fix (who needs that in these days )

Unfortunately it doesn't work! Any hex value that you enter in NB fid don't change default x9 multi!

Also, HT multi doesn't work to, but that's not a big dill 'cos 1800 MHz for HT is quite enough...

[justapost]

Latest beta bios:
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/R7JD918.zip

I only used that one for overclocking. Higher NB multis worked but for the HT the max was 10x on a 9950BE.

Looking at your chipset temps it seems you have an different board.
I get 70°C under prime95 load at stock with just an 9850BE cooler. With an 9cm fan blowing with 300RPM it are 50°C. That is the main cause why i don't like the board, no way to run that thing silent in an desktop cube case.

[Brother Esau]

here you go Bro, default values:



This X3 8750 Black Edition is one amazingly cool CPU! Of course all kudos to mobo also, 'cos to get these temps you really need to have well designed PWM unit that will not heat-up CPU! Yeah Ninja Rev. B and OCZ's compound does help



I've tried this!

You get the options for NB fid, and TLB fix (who needs that in these days )

Unfortunately it doesn't work! Any hex value that you enter in NB fid don't change default x9 multi!

Also, HT multi doesn't work to, but that's not a big dill 'cos 1800 MHz for HT is quite enough...

Thank You ...Nedjo

Hey Ahcim whats up man???

[Jaivan]

NB Core is the chipset part voltage. The CPU's part is labled CPU-NB VID on the 790FX if i remember correct.
After hitting F9 on the main page, it is possible to modify the CPU's and NB's FID's and DID's (multis) but not the VID's.
So if you select an cpu voltage in the bios it will be applied as an offset to the default VID's of both CPU and NB. Problem is the NB has lower voltage limits than the cpu. I have this board since a few weeks and think it's only pro is that it is mATX. But for that form factor i'd expect an lower pwm/chipset temp at stock than 70°C (without an extra fan in an desktop cube case with two case fan's).

BTW: Have you found the vCore points for the DMM on the Asus board?

Well 2 of the dimms on my board stopped working so I rma'd it and got the 790FXB-M2RSH haha.
I've be wondering about the NB-VID thing for a while now too hopefully they'll add it in for later BIOS's.

[Nedjo]

Thank You ...Nedjo

you're welcome Bro Esau

Here's status under prime (1+ hour):




It turns out that prime stable of this CPU is 3.2 GHz... well at least for all cores two out of three cores are stable on 3.3 GHz... maybe even higher... but I need all three working as high as possible

[phistyle]

hey would you mind telling us you system setup and configurations? like bios, OS you're using, and what version AOD.....I have the same board with vista sp1 64bit and AOD keeps freezing up on me....

[Nedjo]

hey would you mind telling us you system setup and configurations? like bios, OS you're using, and what version AOD.....I have the same board with vista sp1 64bit and AOD keeps freezing up on me....

first release BIOS, Vista 32bit SP1 AOD 2.14.

[Brother Esau]

WOW DAMN]\\>>>>>>>>>>That chipset runs Hot! I guess its just not Isolated to Justaposts Board

[phistyle]

yea I find the chipset runs hot as well....I have like 8 fans in my case and it still kind of hot...

[Nedjo]

WOW DAMN]\\>>>>>>>>>>That chipset runs Hot! I guess its just not Isolated to Justaposts Board

but, what's the fuss about this high temp of the chipset? It has the small passive heat sink, so it's expected to get this hot, and obviously designers of the chipset, and the mobo knew that, so this would be a feature, and not a problem

[JWilson]

Rebels Haven is preparing mod bios for the Junior that willl have some new items in cpu feature. Should look like this:

[justapost]

Rebels Haven is preparing mod bios for the Junior that willl have some new items in cpu feature. Should look like this:

I love it.

edit. but after thinking about it i'm curious if it will work. Unlike other boards the vid's can not be changed by writing directly to the p-state-control register. On the other hand AOD can change the vid's so there is a way.

[justapost]

Well 2 of the dimms on my board stopped working so I rma'd it and got the 790FXB-M2RSH haha.

The GSkill 8000 Kit? Does the board support that kit? I could not get this kit working in 1066 mode on an gbt780a board. The 790GX seems to be alot more sensible to memory timings than the 790FX. Testing 4x1GB GSkill 8500PK's and 4x1GB Kingston Hyper X here and I can not get em stable in 1066 mode. The only kit i had no problems with are the Tracers, even four of em work fine in all boards.

[justapost]

but, what's the fuss about this high temp of the chipset? It has the small passive heat sink, so it's expected to get this hot, and obviously designers of the chipset, and the mobo knew that, so this would be a feature, and not a problem

If ordered an Thermalright HR-05 IFX SLI hope that will solve the temperature problem.
Lot of plastic on that QPack2 case I don't wanna melt that in the summer. Also it's not a digital pwm those are designed to work at 100°C, so i expect it will have a reduced life time due to those high temps.