"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

**CryptiK** · 09-02-2008, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Forsakened

Guys, if someone is far way from their multimeter, what are they to trust? :p

My multimeter is at home, and im at UNI.. not going home for another month or so.. i set 1.28V (cpu vcore) in bios and DISABLED LLC.. and CPU-Z shows it as

1.23-24 fluctuating between the values =/ i thot the board overvolted and not under?

using the latest 1306 bios btw

Also, is it normal for coretemp to show the two cores as having different temps? (48C and 42C) in my case (tjmax = 105C)

Edit: Seems like my board doesnt like x7 ratio =/ =/ currently @ 425x8 @ 1.28vCore (bios) 1.24vCore (CPUZ)

Other voltages (vPLL, vNB, vFSB,) overvolt by a small amount when set to the second lowest value available for each (auto and the lowest available value overvolt a lot, especially when overclocking), vDIMM overvolts about 0.07 - 0.09v. Vcore however undervolts from bios set value. What cpu-z is showing you can be taken as correct.

If you have a 45nm wolfdale, yes it is common that the temp sensors show different temps, as the wolfdales have dodgey sensors. They only really work and become accurate-ish when very close to the tjmax (100*C) and are nowhere near accurate at normal operating temps.

**s1Lv3r** · 09-02-2008, 06:15 AM

i want to try 533 or 555 fsb but which settings to i use need help i try some setting but system don't boot

**Leeghoofd** · 09-02-2008, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by s1Lv3r

i want to try 533 or 555 fsb but which settings to i use need help i try some setting but system don't boot

You got PM

**radaja** · 09-02-2008, 06:35 AM

i have a quick question,is it better to drop my multi-down and go for higher fsb on my e8500,or is that just for getting a better overclock on my ram.

**CryptiK** · 09-02-2008, 06:35 AM

@ s1Lv3r - What have you tried?

1.52vPLL/1.12vFSB/1.26vNB/1.32v Vcore/2.14v vdimm

1:1 FSB : DRAM ratio

That allows me to hit 590 FSB & bench at 580 FSB no problems.

**Forsakened** · 09-02-2008, 06:36 AM

Thanks for the input guys!

If on this P5Q-D the bios undervolts.. then is it safe to set 1.3-1.35vCore in the bios with these 45nm Wolfdale chips?

**CryptiK** · 09-02-2008, 06:39 AM

I run 1.38125v bios and I get 1.36v idle/1.32v load with LLC disabled.

**Forsakened** · 09-02-2008, 07:23 AM

Thanks! Will give it a shot..

Guys Prime95 Blend just failed on Core2 after about 5 hours

My OC parameters:

Code:

E8200 C0/G.Skill PQ PC2-8000 4GB/P5Q-D 1306

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1021
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15)

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: DISABLED
MEM. OC Charger: ENABLED
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL PL10 ALL PULL-INS DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.28125 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.14
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
NB Voltage: 1.16
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: 1.10
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.50

Load Line Calibration: DISABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED

Screenie:

With this new bios and settings i havent yet ran Memtest, only Prime95.

What do you guys reckon i should tweak?

Thanks!

**Leeghoofd** · 09-02-2008, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Forsakened

Thanks!

Try these mate : leave the ram tweaks alone at first, see if this gets stable... ( was the cpu small FFT stable with that voltage )

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1021
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15) --> set TRFC to 55 too

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.28125 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
NB Voltage: 1.24
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: DISABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED

**CryptiK** · 09-02-2008, 07:37 AM

1.24v vFSB is too high IMHO, it above intel's rated maximum of 1.15v. I don't need to increase it at all 1.12v is fine. The vPLL should also be OK at 1.52v I have not needed to increase mine at all but I do realize each cpu is different. I feel he should increase vcore a notch or two to attempt to stabilize it, as at least the vcore has more safe adjustment left in it. I agree with the rest of it though.

**kiikkuja** · 09-02-2008, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Snip. Vcore however undervolts from bios set value. What cpu-z is showing you can be taken as correct. Snip

Is this correct? Does it apply for instance to bios 1306?

I'd really like this to be to true as it would allow me to gain some clocks because I wouldn't want to go over 1.375 vcore real LLC enabled.

**Forsakened** · 09-02-2008, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Try these mate : leave the ram tweaks alone at first, see if this gets stable... ( was the cpu small FFT stable with that voltage )

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1021
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15) --> set TRFC to 55 too

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.28125 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
NB Voltage: 1.24
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: DISABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED

Trying out those settings now, Thanks!

and no i didnt try Small FFTs only Blend

BTW, i left the vCore as it was.. 1.8125

Now IDLE cpuZ is showing 1.264V and LOAD vCore is 1.232V =/ =/

Started small FFTs now to see if it works.. but why the opposite affect with vCore? shall i enable LLC?

**s1Lv3r** · 09-02-2008, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

You got PM

i try your setting and run wprime 1024mb with 8.5 multi and 1.325 vcore temperature near 69 72 C i must change my big typhoon

now i try this setting with 1.3 v core

**Budwise** · 09-02-2008, 11:23 AM

im still having those cold boot issues. NB Voltage or Vcore bumps didnt help at all. Its completely stable otherwise so I dont know that the deal is. I guess I'll give the modded 1306 bios a try tonight.

**Big Lar** · 09-02-2008, 11:33 AM

After getting a stable OC, I went back to check on lowering voltages etc. Ends up I was .005 off on my 0/2 gtl setting, tho I needed to bump my vcore 1 notch, which gives me 1.272v Load I also got my VTT down to 1.26v Stable from 1.30v. Nice tradeoff I would say.

Funny thing is looking back at my notes, I had tried 0.670 for that gtl in the past, but my other settings must have been way off at the time.

Larry

**ThugsRook** · 09-02-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Budwise

im still having those cold boot issues. NB Voltage or Vcore bumps didnt help at all. Its completely stable otherwise so I dont know that the deal is. I guess I'll give the modded 1306 bios a try tonight.

try these settings...

AI Clock Twister: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: AUTO
PCIE Spread Spectrum: AUTO

disabling spread spectrum can cause a no boot.
clock twister settings are notoriously unstable.

HTH

**Forsakened** · 09-02-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Try these mate : leave the ram tweaks alone at first, see if this gets stable... ( was the cpu small FFT stable with that voltage )

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1021
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15) --> set TRFC to 55 too

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.28125 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
NB Voltage: 1.24
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: DISABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED

OK so priming small FFTs was fine for about 8 hours and then i stopped and it changed the FSB to 450 and upped the vCore from 1.28125 to 1.3

Then two things happened:

1) Enabling LLC allowed to run Prime95 for exactly 1 minute before Core 2 failed.

2) Disabling LLC hanged XP when starting Prime95 torture test and rebooted the system =/

What you reckon i should tweak now?

thanks

Edit: Oh and CPUZ 1.47 shows it as 450x6 =/ but validation shows up as 450x8.. wtf?

Edit #2: When Prime95 starts, the ratio in CPUZ goes from 6 to 8.. and a few seconds later core 2 fails small ffts =/

Edit #3: Disabling C1E support, stopped that ratio fluctuation and i booted into windows @ 460x8.. but again core 2 in prime 95 failed both small FFT and blend within 45 seconds =/

**BeastNotro** · 09-02-2008, 06:49 PM

Well at 3.4ghz i wanted to see what i can do with my ram ....

I tried 1152mhz, but it rebooted at windows scroll bar = more volts or timings adjusted, but i never went for it ... instead i wanted to see what i can do at 1.96v = Mobo Overvolts to 1.98-2.00v, but i set to 2.0v = Overvolts to 2.04 and i error out ... thats weird man..

Here is where it leveled off at 1133mhz ant the volts i am running at 24/7.

**Forsakened** · 09-02-2008, 10:06 PM

OK figured out the prime crashing problem!

Turned OFF LLC and kept FSB @ 460 and dropped the ratio down to 7.5.. its been Prime stable for 8 hours (small FFTs) going to let it blend while i attend classes =D and then will bump the FSB once i get back .. oh and this is with a few voltages lowered!

Me thinks Iz liking 1306 =D

Edit: Prime95 Blend failed after 8 minutes, i left a loop of 3Dmark and the GPU hung, and VPU recovery recovered the device. Could it be the OC (CPU, GPU/MEM are at stock), or the fact that the PWMs (correct term?) on the 4850 arent covered since im using an Accelero S1 Rev2 with ramsinks on the rams only =/

**Big Lar** · 09-03-2008, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by BeastNotro

Well at 3.4ghz i wanted to see what i can do with my ram ....

I tried 1152mhz, but it rebooted at windows scroll bar = more volts or timings adjusted, but i never went for it ... instead i wanted to see what i can do at 1.96v = Mobo Overvolts to 1.98-2.00v, but i set to 2.0v = Overvolts to 2.04 and i error out ... thats weird man..

Here is where it leveled off at 1133mhz ant the volts i am running at 24/7.

Hmmm.. so your saying your ram errors out over 2.04v?
Mine are running 480fsb 1:1 at 2.1v.(2.0v set in bios, 2.1v measured on board)

Larry

**BeastNotro** · 09-03-2008, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Big Lar

Hmmm.. so your saying your ram errors out over 2.04v?
Mine are running 480fsb 1:1 at 2.1v.(2.0v set in bios, 2.1v measured on board)

Larry

Well that was when i was trying 3.6ghz and set in Bios to 2.0v = Overvolted on other bios 1103 and 1201 to 2.04-2.06 and i would error out in linpack 4-5 right, dropped it to 1.96v = (1.98-2.00v Overvolted) in bios and all was fine... weird eh? . and ram was only around 900mhz then.

Could have been a bios issue, but i have not since tried that again and now that i am on Kets Modded 1306 bios which has the added premium memory tables, maybe it will work .... but i am not going to try it now as i am awaiting for my E8600 to arrive (it better be today ..

)

So i will play around then or in a day or so after getting it as who knows it maybe a bad E8600 in temp wise and so forth.

**plion** · 09-03-2008, 06:09 AM

Hey, guys can someone review my settings again. For some reason I was getting random video driver crash only in vista 64 before I updated bios. Any reason why you guys stopped recommending pcie freq. @ 101, I see posts with pcie@ 100 now?

-24hrs prime stable, 100 passes of linpack stable burn test, 12hrs hci memtest/memtest86+ stable.

-Haven't had the video crash since I updated bios, but I'm not sure if it's still there. The crash would happen with pcie @ 100 or 101 with c1e off or on and with performance level manual or auto..

Code:

e8400/2x2gb gskill ddr2-800

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 801
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15)

DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL PL11 ALL PULL-INS ENABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.25625 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 1.90
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: ENABLED
Execute Disable Bit: ENABLED
Intel Speedsteb: DISABLED
Intel C-state: ENABLED

**CryptiK** · 09-03-2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by BeastNotro

Well that was when i was trying 3.6ghz and set in Bios to 2.0v = Overvolted on other bios 1103 and 1201 to 2.04-2.06 and i would error out in linpack 4-5 right, dropped it to 1.96v = (1.98-2.00v Overvolted) in bios and all was fine... weird eh? . and ram was only around 900mhz then.

Could have been a bios issue, but i have not since tried that again and now that i am on Kets Modded 1306 bios which has the added premium memory tables, maybe it will work .... but i am not going to try it now as i am awaiting for my E8600 to arrive (it better be today ..

)

So i will play around then or in a day or so after getting it as who knows it maybe a bad E8600 in temp wise and so forth.

Perhaps your kit just didn't like high voltage? I had an old corsair 6400 kit with quimonda IC's and they refused to boot when at 2.1v or higher.

Bi Lar's kit may just be a little more tolerant to voltage than yours. Strange though, it would be worth re-testing.

Originally Posted by plion

Hey, guys can someone review my settings again. For some reason I was getting random video driver crash only in vista 64 before I updated bios. Any reason why you guys stopped recommending pcie freq. @ 101, I see posts with pcie@ 100 now?

-24hrs prime stable, 100 passes of linpack stable burn test, 12hrs hci memtest/memtest86+ stable.

-Haven't had the video crash since I updated bios, but I'm not sure if it's still there. The crash would happen with pcie @ 100 or 101 with c1e off or on and with performance level manual or auto..

Code:

e8400/2x2gb gskill ddr2-800

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 801
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15)

DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL PL11 ALL PULL-INS ENABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.25625 (1.24v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 1.90
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: ENABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: ENABLED
Execute Disable Bit: ENABLED
Intel Speedsteb: DISABLED
Intel C-state: ENABLED

Your settings look ok, nothing stands out as possibly causing 3D crashing.

So this crashing only happens with Vista 64, not 32 or in XP? How long does it take to crash out of a game usually? Is it any particular game that does it? Is your video card overclocked? What drivers are you running? Are you overclocking your video card? What happens when you run the system/card stock?

I would just wait and see if it happens again, if it seems stable since the bios update, just keep testing it and report back if it happens again.

I run PCI-E at 100, always have. 101 was recommended by some guys as a preventative measure as I believe on older boards it stopped some problems people were having, but I don't believe it is necessary on these boards.

**Forsakened** · 09-03-2008, 08:18 AM

Update: 480x7.5 (3.6Ghz @ 1.31 LLC Enabled) booted fine into windows .. And Prime95 Blend failed in 8 minutes, small FFTs lasted 2hr 56 minutes (failed on core 2, core one was going strong)

Settings below:

Code:

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 7.5
FSB Frequency: 480
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 961
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (5-5-5-15-3-55-6-3)

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.32500 (1.31v CPUz)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.20
DRAM Voltage: 1.92
NB Voltage: 1.20
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SB Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: OPTIMIZED

C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED

Also, at my previous setting of 460x7.5, small FFTs were stable.. but blend failed after 8 minutes.. and i left 3dmark on loop, came back and saw VPU Recovery had recovered the GPU which had stop responding.. some D3D Devicelost error =/ (XP32, CAT 8.8)

**ThugsRook** · 09-03-2008, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Forsakened

at my previous setting of 460x7.5, small FFTs were stable.. but blend failed after 8 minutes.. and i left 3dmark on loop, came back and saw VPU Recovery had recovered the GPU which had stop responding.. some D3D Devicelost error =/ (XP32, CAT 8.8)

try...
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.14 or 1.16
NB Voltage: 1.14 or 1.16 or 1.18

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