Triebwerk Here!

[bentleya]

so people have these in hand and we still don't know if they can scare away frogs?!?!?

IF i can find some frogs i will give it a go

I'm still waiting for mine. International shipping takes forever.

Anyone with some in hand care to post a video up close so we can here them? I'd like to know how they sound when undervolted.

Martin, i'll hock them up them up tomororow around this time, depends what time i get in .

What RPM's would you like readings of sound at?

[Martinm210]

IF i can find some frogs i will give it a go


Martin, i'll hock them up them up tomororow around this time, depends what time i get in .

What RPM's would you like readings of sound at?

I was just looking for a simple video of the fan from the lowest voltage stepped through up to 12V, so preferrably all the way through the range (no particular RPM). I just like listening to how the sound tone changes throughout. No rush though...thanks!

[Darth_Penguin]

IF i can find some frogs i will give it a go

Im holding you to it

[bentleya]

Having a little technical difficulty, my psu has decided that it doesn't want to work

[Waterlogged]

Having a little technical difficulty, my psu has decided that it doesn't want to work

..or maybe it's embarrassed to be attached to those fans and is refusing to work just to spite you.

[bentleya]

..or maybe it's embarrassed to be attached to those fans and is refusing to work just to spite you.

yes it could be that , just doing a few tests on it now, just makes loud clicking noise and no power, will do few test if not it's RMA back to corsair

[bluehaze]

yes it could be that , just doing a few tests on it now, just makes loud clicking noise and no power, will do few test if not it's RMA back to corsair

HX1000? I had same problem worked for like 2 hours then dead, makes click and a squeak noise instead of booting . Went back to old faithful Tagan bz1100 everything works fine. Debating wether to return for refund or exchange for another, if yours has same prob I think I will get a refund and stick with Tagan.

[bentleya]

HX1000? I had same problem worked for like 2 hours then dead, makes click and a squeak noise instead of booting . Went back to old faithful Tagan bz1100 everything works fine. Debating wether to return for refund or exchange for another, if yours has same prob I think I will get a refund and stick with Tagan.

I have the 650, as i have no system that needs 1000w, and saves money, i am soldering up my old Thermalfail 500w as we speak so i now got power supply

[WaterFlex]

I`ll get 3 fans.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I`ll get 3 fans.

@ $105 for those 3 fans your better off buying a 4770 to get better performance in your computer.... seriously it doesnt make any sense to pay that much for fans....

[Fragger]

@ $105 for those 3 fans your better off buying a 4770 to get better performance in your computer.... seriously it doesnt make any sense to pay that much for fans....

It dosent make any "sense" to buy monsta rads either yet people cant buy them fast enough, go figure.

[xaxis]

It dosent make any "sense" to buy monsta rads either yet people cant buy them fast enough, go figure.

I agree, it doesn't make any "sense" and certainly doesn't earn any kudos around this post apparently, won't stop me from buying another couple Monstas and .... well, no probably not the fans. But still, I worked hard for half a year and I have every right to flush my money away however I please.

[rwurdig]

So, any1 find any online news or reviews on this fans?

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

It dosent make any "sense" to buy monsta rads either yet people cant buy them fast enough, go figure.

DONT THINK people are buying them fast enough I mean what 250 are made or was it 500 frozen has like 100 of them. I have one and I do like it not bad, but gianed only 1C diff between the quad 480 vs the monsta im assuming though the monsta has great heat dissipation, thats assume.

[Martinm210]

I'm preparing for Round 3, but this time I want to do it on a radiator with heat loads applied.

In the mean time I did take a couple of pictures and measurements and this is what's driving me to test thermally.

CFM is a good measurement, but probably not the only thing to consider when thinking about fan performance on a radiator application.

I'm not sure exactly how much dead spot will be removed by the built in 12mm shroud and cone taper, but measuring active area at the fan inlet edge, I measured about 20% more active area than the other two. Since frontal area seems to be so key to performance on the radiator, I'm suspecting this active area will have an equal advantage.

This "Should" amount to a pretty good thermal gain, but the only way to know is test it out. Digging out my old rad test bench, I just realized I don't have an extra pump anymore (gave them all away). Time to order another pump and some thermal sensors, I want to do this testing on the radiator loaded and with my anemometer in place so I can watch CFM levels while I'm doing this.

This is what I'm looking at for what I'm calling "active area". It's the frontal area of the fan that's actively moving air and this is affected by the dead-spots created by the fan hub and surrounding frame.



And a few pics of the fan. It's nice looking fan..


Casting quality is really good




Subjectively, the sound quality seems good. It doesn't have any of that motor tick that the San Aces seem to produce at very low volts. The vibration dampeners also work really well at eliminating motor noise.

After I get my radiator testing rig rebuilt, I'll work on getting some test results out.....

[*|T2D|*PopovS]

Really looking forward for your results Martin! I did some comparison myself , but I'm shy to share as too much bashing is going on for Feser here.

[rwurdig]

Nice Martin, we will be waiting for round 3

[NaeKuh]

The million dollar question tho martin is whats better?

Push & pull yates Vs 1 tribewerk. (push pull yates = cheaper solution still).

I can already predict the answer.

*hint* im getting rid of my san aces in favor of push pull yates.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

The million dollar question tho martin is whats better?

Push & pull yates Vs 1 tribewerk. (push pull yates = cheaper solution still).

I can already predict the answer.

*hint* im getting rid of my san aces in favor of push pull yates.

push-pull Gentle Typhoons grasshoper, you have much to learn yet

[NaeKuh]

the difference between yates and any premium fan is at most 1C.

The noise difference tho is a different story.

But even value wise, i can probably still get 2 yates for 1 gentle typhoon and still down volt the 2 yates for more pressure and less sound then the 1 typhoon can do.

I think honestly if your spending 130 on fans, 260 on a radiator...

Recirculating CHILLER FTW!

Martin i have a favor to ask. When you tests those fans, can you throw a shroud on it also and show difference with shroud.
I know the tribewerk has a built in shroud but @ price of a regular 25mm YATE + shoud, its still cheaper then a tribewerk. And i want to see how that performs.

Thanks martin!

Oh the San Ace with shroud = game overs tho. :X
Infact san aces require a manditory shroud if u want to get nice numbers off them.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

the difference between yates and any premium fan is at most 1C.

The noise difference tho is a different story.

But even value wise, i can probably still get 2 yates for 1 gentle typhoon and still down volt the 2 yates for more pressure and less sound then the 1 typhoon can do.

I think honestly if your spending 130 on fans, 260 on a radiator...

Recirculating CHILLER FTW!

Martin i have a favor to ask. When you tests those fans, can you throw a shroud on it also and show difference with shroud.
I know the tribewerk has a built in shroud but @ price of a regular 25mm YATE + shoud, its still cheaper then a tribewerk. And i want to see how that performs.

Thanks martin!

Oh the San Ace with shroud = game overs tho. :X
Infact san aces require a manditory shroud if u want to get nice numbers off them.

I was just talking about the noise level really but I agree with you

I'm just glad I have sanaces in my rad sandwich or it would not perform.

[Martinm210]

The million dollar question tho martin is whats better?

Push & pull yates Vs 1 tribewerk. (push pull yates = cheaper solution still).

I can already predict the answer.

*hint* im getting rid of my san aces in favor of push pull yates.

Nothing wrong with yates or push/pull for that matter on any fan, just keep in mind the extra sound sources will increase noise level:

For example one fan that produces 45db on a radiator.
3 fans = 49.8dB
6 fans = 52.8dB
etc..

Here is a handy little calculator for playing around with that:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ad...ibel-d_63.html

If you look at the noise vs. CFM charts, I'm not sure push/pull is nessarily better than a single stronger fan though. If we're having to step up 3 dB for push/pull, alot of fans could get a good 45% more air flow at higher volts for 3 dB more sound. So, you may get more performance from a single stronger fan than two weaker ones in push/pull...it may have a different sound quality though..

[xaxis]

Really looking forward for your results Martin! I did some comparison myself , but I'm shy to share as too much bashing is going on for Feser here.

Don't be shy, I own 3 Feser XChanger 360s and now 3 Monstas! Was it the best bang for my buck? Most likely not, . In reference to the Monstas, when implemented into my current and ever changing build they most definitely will be absurd! That's okay, I like absurd things, even if they are not a very good idea (see Darwin awards... ). My point is I like Feser radiators and at the end of the day, even if someone else has all the right reasons to despise them, it's good that we at least have so many choices and individuals will always have preferences (this comes as just a thought, not arguing that anyone has suggested the opposite).

Now my preference for Feser radiators may be due to blind brain washing via shiny things and an erroneous mentality to assume more expensive/bigger radiators must be better or (and I tend to assume this by default most of the time) I'm just not horribly intelligent.

if was me I'd buy me a AC unit for the room $225 an 2.5 cases of beer for that kind of value

Exactly! I currently have ducts going from AC unit to server/computer closet then hot air pulled directly into the attic... and the mini-fridge next to my desk has it's share of beverages of choice.

Last, as always thank you martin for your diligent research and focused effort. I eagerly await further reading!

That's enough of my "hot air" for now...

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

Don't be shy, I own 3 Feser XChanger 360s and now 3 Monstas! Was it the best bang for my buck? Most likely not, . In reference to the Monstas, when implemented into my current and ever changing build they most definitely will be absurd! That's okay, I like absurd things, even if they are not a very good idea (see Darwin awards... ). My point is I like Feser radiators and at the end of the day, even if someone else has all the right reasons to despise them, it's good that we at least have so many choices and individuals will always have preferences (this comes as just a thought, not arguing that anyone has suggested the opposite).

HEY I AGREE even with bad customer service on fesers part I still like their radiators two quads and one monsta they perform great like you said not the best bang for the bunk though on monsta but its cool to see a hyooge rad on the outside of the case.

[Bojamijams]

Heh, everything that TFC produces is an overpriced POS.

Just wait til you have some run-ins with mr. mario the president. He's a colorful fella.