"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[BeastNotro]

Leeghoofd

Thks for PM about this and you don't have RAID --- thks .. now we have to figure out why the difference and i think it is XP64 drivers in the way it control the data through the memory maybe better then Vista 64-bit (with SP1)..... werid as it is .. I have XP64-bit maybe i try it out in 4-6 weeks to test that theory out.

[mac_69]

Just a quick post to post to say I am still 24/7 stable at 3.6 with ket's 803 - although I have left the RAM all as auto so in effect its running as if it were asus 803
I have not had any issues at all, rock stable
So whether margin enhancement on newer bioses was a red herring or not (maybe it was just a bad flash), I'm sticking with 803 until theres a reason to upgrade bios

Acronis True Image 11 works great for backup / restore - I have ACHI mode done with the regedit method, and have the express gate disabled for acronis loader to work properly
(got system restore switched off, just use acronis)

Spent too much time trying to get drive expert and then intel raid1 to work, sticking to Acronis as I know its working and the system flies doing backups

[TouGe]

Hey all.

I am looking at picking up this board to replace my current Asus P5K Deluxe which is a complete POS. Can't even run RAID config on it using Vista, as it just dies during install. It's fine when using an array controller but I moved that to my server thinking onboard RAID will work fine with Vista... wrong.

Anyway enough of that. Is this a STABLE board without any overclocking? I'll be using:

Q6600
OCZ Platinum 2x2GB
2x320 GB SATAII Seagates (7200.10)
Onboard RAID 1
ATI X850XT Platinum

I just want a stable workstation board without the headaches this P5K has caused me. I don't overclock.

Thanks

-J

It has to be one of the most stable boards I have ever owned, of course, I thought the P5K-D board was pretty solid as well.

[NBF]

Leeghoofd

Here is the test 1066 with static read enabled and PL8, but again write and copy are lower then your 3.4ghz test .. only thing i can think of is you have a 2 x 500gb RAID setup and i am still at 1.96v in bios === Kets Modded 1306.

[IMG]

Yorkfield/Wolfdale have better memory write and copy than Kentsfield/Conroe.

Nothing wrong with your system BeastNotro

[jaym3]

It has to be one of the most stable boards I have ever owned, of course, I thought the P5K-D board was pretty solid as well.

Thanks, are you running it RAID with Vista?

-J

[BeastNotro]

Yorkfield/Wolfdale have better memory write and copy than Kentsfield/Conroe.

Nothing wrong with your system BeastNotro

Thanks, are you running it RAID with Vista?

-J

NBF

Thks ... as that would make better sense i was talking to a buddy who has a Q9450 and he stated the samething it has to be the 45nm vs 65nm and tommorow i hope my E8600 will arrive and we shall 100% be positive at higher GHZ....

Jaym3

Many ppl are running raid on this mobo without issues and i will be doing so in the evry near future i hope in 2-3 weeks when payday arrives again.

[ci2kla]

hey guys...I have a newbie question about Crossfire...
Just my CFX setup in P5Q-D not working
I bought 2x HD 4850 and try to setup a CFX
However I can't find any CFX related options in this board's BIOS
Is it will automatically detect and attempt to use CFX mode?
I've tried all available drivers and CCC versions and none of them work:
There are no CFX options...it just disappeared.
Two graphic cards are detected and function normally in device manager (and they both work in single card)
but only one card's DVI slot can show display screen...
If I change the display adapter mode from [PEG/PCI] to [PCI/PEG] it just switch the primary adapter to the PCI_16_2 black one...I'm confused..
Please help ; ;

BTW: Those cards didn't come with a CF interconnect bridge cable. I just bought it from other people who have ATI cards with that cable but not consider to setup CFX so they sell the cable to me...I don't know if older version cables with this card will have capability issues...anyone have any clues? Please...

[BeastNotro]

Youn need a CF interconnect (its a Internal connect for the cards) for CF mode to be shown up in the Control Panel and then you check the box off for it and POOF CF is enabled. .. now i recommend when you check it off ..... reboot always to get the system to fully run proper .. only do so when going in or out of CF mode.

As for the [PEG/PCI] to [PCI/PEG] i would leave it what was the default ..... but i not know if it has to be changed as i not have CF mode, but will one day next month i hope.

This here: (BELOW) you only need one for two cards.



http://www.shopati.ca/product.asp?sku=3186855

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3186855

OR you may need the (CrossFire X) one and not the Crossfire one.

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[ci2kla]

Youn need a CF interconnect (its a Internal connect for the cards) for CF mode to be shown up in the Control Panel and then you check the box off for it and POOF CF is enabled. .. now i recommend when you check it off ..... reboot always to get the system to fully run proper .. only do so when going in or out of CF mode.

As for the [PEG/PCI] to [PCI/PEG] i would leave it what was the default ..... but i not know if it has to be changed as i not have CF mode, but will one day next month i hope.

This here: (BELOW) you only need one for two cards.



http://www.shopati.ca/product.asp?sku=3186855

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3186855

OR you may need the (CrossFire X) one and not the Crossfire one.

===============

Thanks for your help...
And yes I have two Interconnect Cables connected to two cards (But they're not associated with these cards during purchase, I bought it from other users). The MB detect there are two cards so both run at PCI-E 2.0 8x. However there are no CrossfireX Options in CCC and I wonder why...The CCC only attach one of the graphic cards and it shown in GPU-Z. While everest detect one of the cards as 3D Accelerator rather then "Graphics Adapter"...Guys please help

[jaym3]

NBF

Thks ... as that would make better sense i was talking to a buddy who has a Q9450 and he stated the samething it has to be the 45nm vs 65nm and tommorow i hope my E8600 will arrive and we shall 100% be positive at higher GHZ....

Jaym3

Many ppl are running raid on this mobo without issues and i will be doing so in the evry near future i hope in 2-3 weeks when payday arrives again.

Excellent! I feel better now

Thanks!

-J

[BeastNotro]

ci2kla

Whats slots you have the cards in?

1 should be in the Blue Slot and 1 in the Next slot down = Black Slot .... not the LAST slot.

Also i can't remember right now, but i thought not all CrossFire Bridge Interconnect are the same ..... i mean do you have ATI ones or some other brands?

Anyway .... install like i said and install 8.7 drivers as the 8.8 SUCK ... well they OK, but lower performance and then go into CCC and Crossfire should be there to Check Off the Crossfire Mode and if so . then do it and reboot.

[ci2kla]

ci2kla

Whats slots you have the cards in?

1 should be in the Blue Slot and 1 in the Next slot down = Black Slot .... not the LAST slot.

Also i can't remember right now, but i thought not all CrossFire Bridge Interconnect are the same ..... i mean do you have ATI ones or some other brands?

Anyway .... install like i said and install 8.7 drivers as the 8.8 SUCK ... well they OK, but lower performance and then go into CCC and Crossfire should be there to Check Off the Crossfire Mode and if so . then do it and reboot.

My setup was 1 in blue slot 1 in black slot (last slot was empty, black one again). You mean not all Interconnects are the same? But their appearance are just the same to me...for the brands...I don't know which brand for the cable...I just buy it from other people who bought ATI cards associated with this cable and they don't use it that's all
I've tried 8.6, 8.7, 8.8 and none of them show up CFX option in CCC...sigh

[BeastNotro]

My setup was 1 in blue slot 1 in black slot (last slot was empty, black one again). You mean not all Interconnects are the same? But their appearance are just the same to me...for the brands...I don't know which brand for the cable...I just buy it from other people who bought ATI cards associated with this cable and they don't use it that's all
I've tried 8.6, 8.7, 8.8 and none of them show up CFX option in CCC...sigh

Something is really werid as it should be working ... i don't know why they would be not. and 8.5, 8.6, 8.7 and 8.8 drivers all work for these cards.

I mean't brands as did you buy Nvidia SLI ones and not ATI crossfire ones .. and yes no matter what brand of ATI they are .... they are the same.

EDIT:

It could be 1 interconect is not working properly or not fully connected.

Or

your PSU is not up to POWER to power both cards fully.

I am just guessing and only stating.

[ci2kla]

Something is really werid as it should be working ... i don't know why they would be not. and 8.5, 8.6, 8.7 and 8.8 drivers all work for these cards.

I mean't brands as did you buy Nvidia SLI ones and not ATI crossfire ones .. and yes no matter what brand of ATI they are .... they are the same.

EDIT:

It could be 1 interconect is not working properly or not fully connected.

Or

your PSU is not up to POWER to power both cards fully.

I am just guessing and only stating.

Nah I don't think it's a PSU issue. I tried pulling out one 6 pin power connector and the machine failed to POST...also there are cases of successful crossfire with 550W PSU...therefore I don't think so...is it likely to be a montherboard issue? I'mma gonna switch to DFI-UT-X48-T3R...

[mac_69]

Its not the motherboard, I have CF 4870 running here no problem, and the CF control is driver based from catalyst

Everest should show ATI crossfire under GPU and GPUz should show CF enabled, but you say your not even seeing option in catalyst

Just sounds like a software issue. Try uninstalling cat and reinstall. I have 2 bridges connected but its not necessary although ATI said 2 can help with bandwidth - see guruof3d forum

This was early build picture but shows slots, its basically same setup except 4870s are double slot width



*You can also check each card individually in both slots before running both in CF. When I was messing with the sata ports underneath the lower 4870 and had one card out CCC recognised the card out and then back in and I didnt need to reload it

[ci2kla]

Its not the motherboard, I have CF 4870 running here no problem, and the CF control is driver based from catalyst

Everest should show ATI crossfire under GPU and GPUz should show CF enabled, but you say your not even seeing option in catalyst

Just sounds like a software issue. Try uninstalling cat and reinstall. I have 2 bridges connected but its not necessary although ATI said 2 can help with bandwidth - see guruof3d forum

This was early build picture but shows slots, its basically same setup except 4870s are double slot width



*You can also check each card individually in both slots before running both in CF. When I was messing with the sata ports underneath the lower 4870 and had one card out CCC recognised the card out and then back in and I didnt need to reload it

Hm....I have a few questions here...Does that mean I don't need to configure anything in BIOS to enable CFX mode?
Yes, I checked both cards individually and they both worked perfectly.
What version if CCC you're using btw?
What I'm suspected is that 4850s are not come with CFX bridge cables but does that mean those 4850s are not CFX ready?...I bought the cables from other users that they don't use CFX while they bought single ATI cards...
I've also done some hardcore google searching and seems some people got their CFX worked by using Vista...that's wierd isn't it? (Although they're not 4850s...)

[mac_69]

You don't have to do anything in the bios, so if you think you have , just reset it to default values.
I'm running vistax64 and catalyst 8,8 and also had ran 8.7
Maybe your bridges are broken, but seems unlikely both to be broken. If single cards work in each slot then would say motherboard is okay. Recheck manual for which slots, but think you've done that

Here's some good links to ask 4850 cf users something specific, as far as I know they are all based on ATI spec design to be able to be CF'd
You can't mix 3 series and 4 series or 4850 to 4870, has to be apples to apples - your sure both are same?

http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_1.html

http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=87

[ci2kla]

You don't have to do anything in the bios, so if you think you have , just reset it to default values.
I'm running vistax64 and catalyst 8,8 and also had ran 8.7
Maybe your bridges are broken, but seems unlikely both to be broken. If single cards work in each slot then would say motherboard is okay. Recheck manual for which slots, but think you've done that

Here's some good links to ask 4850 cf users something specific, as far as I know they are all based on ATI spec design to be able to be CF'd
You can't mix 3 series and 4 series or 4850 to 4870, has to be apples to apples - your sure both are same?

http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_1.html

http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=87

Yes I'm sure even the brand are the same...BIOS version are the same...everything. However I don't have any confidence on this crappy brand of 4850 at all to be honest (Called Colamax and I'm sure you guys seldom heard of it)
Simply when I first bought these 2 cards, one of them have wierd display when rendering 3D Graphics and another one even don't have any screen projected to the monitor. I got it RMAed and they're checked that both are working right now. The question is, will a CFX cable associated with 2600XT being capable to use at 4850 crossfire??
Thanks for all your help anyways...

[BeastNotro]

NO ....... the CABLES that were used on the OLDER cards will not work as the older cards 1 GPU had a second CHIP on it for the cables to work.

Now your confusing me when you say Cables .... are you meaning WIRE CABLES ..... OR interconnect Bridge Cards like the ones in the pictures?

If your refering to the Bridge Cards .... please use that reference and not Cables and they are not Cables ... thks.

[ci2kla]

NO ....... the CABLES that were used on the OLDER cards will not work as the older cards 1 GPU had a second CHIP on it for the cables to work.

Now your confusing me when you say Cables .... are you meaning WIRE CABLES ..... OR interconnect Bridge Cards like the ones in the pictures?

If your refering to the Bridge Cards .... please use that reference and not Cables and they are not Cables ... thks.

For the cables I mean "CrossfireX Interconnect Bridge Cable" sorry if I confused you...
There are sales in eBay post they sell those cables and he claimed that they're 4800 series capable. But what I saw in the screenshot is they're REV.C cables.
And I know they're from 2600 / 2900 Series cards...I wonder
For the second chip part, I think you're talkin about the Master / Slave card mode in order to activate CFX?
(Oh man sorry it's a little bit off-topic-ed...)

EDIT:
I have both REV.C and REV.D cables (REV.D should be newer revision)
I have also tried plugging in one cable at a time and still not working (no CFX tab in CCC)

[mac_69]

Its a reference ATI design, so should be comparable to other brands, I see on the link its CF designed

http://www.colamax.com/contact.aspx

Probably best to find out from them what kind of bridge you need for these GPUs, or maybe find users on the ATI forums. Does sound like the bridge though and if so its the cheapest part of the whole setup, thats the good news.

Good luck

[davidoff619]

Hi has no one got a q9650 yet. I just would like to know it overclocks on this board. Or if any1 knows if it clocks over 4ghz then that would make me happy enuff to buy 1 instread of the e8600. From what I have read they both clock pretty much the same thanks David

[ci2kla]

Its a reference ATI design, so should be comparable to other brands, I see on the link its CF designed

http://www.colamax.com/contact.aspx

Probably best to find out from them what kind of bridge you need for these GPUs, or maybe find users on the ATI forums. Does sound like the bridge though and if so its the cheapest part of the whole setup, thats the good news.

Good luck

Alright~seems it's the bridge cables are not working well. I'll give it a shot an ask other forum's ATI users~ Thanks again~

[Forsakened]

Guys, if someone is far way from their multimeter, what are they to trust? :p

My multimeter is at home, and im at UNI.. not going home for another month or so.. i set 1.28V (cpu vcore) in bios and DISABLED LLC.. and CPU-Z shows it as

1.23-24 fluctuating between the values =/ i thot the board overvolted and not under?

using the latest 1306 bios btw

Also, is it normal for coretemp to show the two cores as having different temps? (48C and 42C) in my case (tjmax = 105C)

Edit: Seems like my board doesnt like x7 ratio =/ =/ currently @ 425x8 @ 1.28vCore (bios) 1.24vCore (CPUZ)

[BeastNotro]

Turn LLC to enabled (not AUTO) as then it won't be so much Vdroop.

Coretemp and realtemp will show temps as they fluctuate on the cores and yes you will see one core higher by a few degrees then the other and that is normal .. what is not is 10C difference showing as then you got an issue.