Olie is dead on.
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Olie is dead on.
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...oadmap_new.jpg
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...admap_new2.jpg
The roadmap on the top is the genuine roadmap from the AMD.
I think that the Zosma = Thuban with 2 disabled cores.
I know I am, after a bazillion flip flops with upgrade ideas I settled to wait for a AMD six core upgrade. Will mobos for them have pci-e 3.0?
I figure since I can still play every game I want with a e4300 and a 8800GTS Why be in any rush to upgrade. I think it will be fun to skip from 2 cores to 6. When it comes down to it, the video card is doing most of the work in gaming anyways. So cheapest 6 core cpu w/ a board with pci-e 3.0 is what I'm gonna grab then OC it. I like doing things old school. Barton 2500+ <3
nice to see Oliverda, thx !
you're practically made yourself the legend of the forum when it comes to "flip flop" upgrade ideas ;)
is 3.0 standard finalized??Quote:
Will mobos for them have pci-e 3.0?
in your case for the sake of rush for just an ide of upgrade ;)Quote:
I figure since I can still play every game I want with a e4300 and a 8800GTS Why be in any rush to upgrade.
I wouldn't be surprised if you skip Thuban ind continue to await for Zambezi ;)Quote:
I think it will be fun to skip from 2 cores to 6.
couldn't agree more!Quote:
When it comes down to it, the video card is doing most of the work in gaming anyways.
:yepp:Quote:
So cheapest 6 core cpu w/ a board with pci-e 3.0 is what I'm gonna grab then OC it. I like doing things old school. Barton 2500+ <3
I'm too old to beleive in the fairy tales.:D
AMD is developing two new architectures. Fusion and Bulldozer (LIano and Orochi). I think that they do not have enough resources to develop a third one.
I've just find a nice review: link :D
Unfortunately still has not finalized: linkQuote:
...is 3.0 standard finalized??
I look forward to Bulldozer in 2011. 32nm and 8 cores sounds like heaven.
I want to know just one thing : will there be a Bulldozer compatible with socket AM3; will the Leo platform support BD?
I don't want performance estimates, I don't want comparisons of the BD core to UltraSPARC t1, and I don't want predictions on AMD and GF respective futures.
I wrote them so probably I did. What you seem to ignore is the quite huge price difference what you could sell these for. ;)
Relative to the size not that big difference, and 5 cores could be sold as well and for more than deneb. So your economic reason is shot down.
With AMD's low margins, cheap Denebs don't sound me such a good idea maybe you haven't noticed Deneb's die size. ;) Let's really leave this economic reason it's only getting worse.
So let's sell a slightly smaller Deneb for less than half the price, instead of making more 6 cores and sell them for twice as much. They could have better margins with the Thuban with the prices you guesstimated. Simply put they could make more money by selling these than what they make on deneb.
It is hard to interpret what you wrote as what you try to make it sound now.
Let me copy it here:
If that's really what you really meant I doubt anyone got what you were trying to say, this must make you even more sad.
But I agree with your new idea.
The general desktop doesn't need it, but it shouldn't stop AMD from selling it for extra profit. They didn't care much about the market's needs when they tried to sell slow native quads instead of fast native duals. Then I remember AMD was selling FX processors long time ago over a 1000$, that market must have needed those more than these Thubans.
What you seem to forget you used the platform as reason why didn't AMD launch Istanbul 9 months ago on the desktop.
The marketing reason doesn't really makes sense again, couldn't they use an older processor in the marketing, they have to delay it's launch 9 months to align it with the new motherboards ?
Strangely the last september launched 5800 gpus seem to fit into the platform. Seems to me the platform reasoning doesn't make sense either.
I am aware of that. Apparently you are sure that the IMC can't take adjustments to work more effectively in that configuration.
It doesn't make sense and neither your simple economic reason or the platform marketing backs it up.
If it's low clockspeed (compared to deneb) what caused they delay I would say possible.
Now with Thuban's lauch date so close to the new server processor's launch I find it more likely thuban is based on those, than something they launched last year.
The reason why I think Thuban wasn't launched last year because it didn't perform well enough against products already on the market and they were working on tweaking the 6 core die for the G34 and C32.
Your roadmap backs it up for me. If no improvements were made on the 6 core die why would they release a cut down version on the desktop ?
It should offer something what makes it superior to Deneb.
BTW it can't disappoint me, after Bulldozer's 2 year delay AMD won't make me believe their roadmaps until they start to deliver on time for a while.
Thuban is just something to have fun with until sandy and bulldozer, more interesting than socket 1156 regardless of it's performance, if Deneb worth it more that's what I am going to keep.
http://i48.tinypic.com/20jfse0.jpg
Sorry but I got tired about your ideas. The time will confirm everything. ;)
sometimes good thing about being old is having more wisdom that tells you to not believe in your own judgments that are based on lack of any solid info ;)
well isn't that why we all love AMD - it never stops beating odds and surprising us ;)Quote:
AMD is developing two new architectures. Fusion and Bulldozer (LIano and Orochi). I think that they do not have enough resources to develop a third one.
hehe, Ilya's work... it actually reminded me on the first "preview" of Athlon64 that XBL done with ES of K8 - it showed nothing, and totally misguided people!Quote:
These "judgments" are based on simple facts. ;)
AMD is not equal with dreamworld. I understand that you would like to beleive in some sort of surprise or miracle but unfortunately their possibilities are very limited.Quote:
well isn't that why we all love AMD - it never stops beating odds and surprising us ;)
The surprise will be the Fusion and the Bulldozer...hopefully. ;)
Guys, read between lines eh? Few fellow forum users are using those 6 core babes. Thats for sure. Not that i have one, id like to have one lol. Been waiting this 6 core lauch so i can buy one.
I think first 6 cores has gone on engineers when server 6 cores were lauched. But i think this time AMD has very strict NDA to keep cpu info away long as possible from public.
I am afraid hope is an indulgence many people can no longer afford.
Every product and subsequent performance prediction beginning with RDRAM to 10ghz Pentium 4, to Fermi, to eVga's wank fest of dual socket1366 board, to AMD Bulldozer, to Playstation 3 CELL processor, to Blizzard's Diablo3 and Starcraft 2... we consumers, especially those of us on XS.com forums want good products, we want to see companies succeed in brgining excellent product to market, but right now, there is a public relations and goodwill deficit deeper and wider then the black hole Sarah Palin calls her brain.
There is no need for AMD to bring Bulldozer forward. However, most members will not see the rationale for this because they have yet to see the gains on existing six-core and 12-core architectures when coupled with the bandwith of DDR3 memory.
Perkam
NEdjo: but Thuban is a bit diferent die, can be maybe a bit smaller size?